Oren likens Goldstone to… Nazi threat

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Sometimes the Israel lobby is just, well, Israel. The New Republic is turning itself into a laughing stock by publishing the unexpurgated ramblings of the Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. as.. journalism? This has tinpot propaganda stamped all over it. Michael Oren:

"Recognizing the murder of six million Jews more than six decades ago is, in fact, vital for understanding the supreme dangers posed to six million Jews in Israel today by a nuclear Iran and by the Goldstone Report."

The supreme danger posed to Jews by international law, as interpreted by a Jew who admires Zionism and who fought apartheid. After you just destroyed 300 children? I want more Holocaust.Oren:

The Goldstone Report goes further than Ahmadinejad and the Holocaust deniers by stripping the Jews not only of the ability and the need but of the right to defend themselves… Ahmadinejad’s genocidal rhetoric and the iniquity of the Goldstone Report notwithstanding, Israel will, of course, continue to defend its citizens.

Once again, Israel demonstrates that it is destroying the Jewish claim to intelligence. No we’re just as stupid as everyone else. Worse.

23 Responses

  1. Rehmat
    October 7, 2009, 5:29 pm

    The great majority of Jewish leaders, academic and activists – have never been practicing Jews. They onlynow their ‘Jewishness’ when they can use Jewish miseries to their benefit. Both Herzl and Chaim wrote that it were Jews who were responsible for anti-Semitism in the West and for Jewish communities being expelled from almost every European country.

    Gilad Atzmon discuses the Israeli definition of being “Jewish”
    link to palestinethinktank.com

  2. Chaos4700
    October 7, 2009, 5:35 pm

    And for his next act, Michael Oren shall jump his motorcycle over a shark tank.

  3. carnas
    October 7, 2009, 5:38 pm

    “Israel demonstrates that it is destroying the Jewish claim to intelligence. ”
    Well, an Israeli Jew won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry today. I leave the implications to the geniuses on this blog. I’ll also be waiting to hear if they can find parallel distinctions in the Arab world.

    link to google.com
    link to reuters.com

    — Yonath is the ninth Israeli Nobel laureate in any field and the fourth woman to win the chemistry prize and first since 1964. She is also the first Israeli female Nobel winner.

    — She was born in Jerusalem in June 1939 and gained a BA in chemistry at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and then an MA in biophysics. She completed her doctoral thesis with distinction at the Weizmann Institute of Science. She later specialized abroad in biological crystallography, and on her return to Israel she founded the first laboratory in this field.

    • potsherd
      October 7, 2009, 6:36 pm

      Sense of racial superiority, anyone?

      • carnas
        October 7, 2009, 6:40 pm

        If thinking that investment in education and science rather than fanatic religiosity and hate is racist, I’m fine with it.

      • potsherd
        October 7, 2009, 7:07 pm

        If thinking that investment in education and science rather than fanatic religiosity and hate is racist, I’m fine with it.

        Too bad Israel isn’t doing it instead of investing its youth with militarism and hate.

        Ehud Keinan: link to ynetnews.com

        But before rushing to pat ourselves on the back, we should admit that these three Nobel Laureates have won the prize not because they are products of our education system, but rather, despite the Israeli government’s approach to scientific education.

        Data published by the Ministry of Education show that in 2009 our high school system yielded 116,415 graduates. Only 9,362 of them studied some chemistry. 13,021 were exposed to biology, and 11,273 took physics classes. Because there is much overlap between these groups, the significance of these data is that over 80% of our high school graduates have never been exposed to any scientific knowledge. In other words, our education system produces citizens who are devoid of any knowledge in science, citizens who have no idea what is a molecule, what is energy, what is an electric current, how does a magnet work, what is electromagnetic radiation, what is a crystal, what is salt, acid, base, what is an amino acid, what is a protein, what is a living cell, what is our genetic material, how a laser work, and what makes the solar system – the list is endless.

        Yaheli Moran Zelikovich: link to ynetnews.com

        Prof. Ada Yonath’s Nobel Prize win has raised Israeli hopes for additional honors, but heads of the higher education system warn that ongoing budget cuts are shifting the Jewish state away from similar achievements in the future.

        Prof. Manuel Trajtenberg, head of the Budget and Planning Committee of the Council for Higher Education, believes that the Israeli academic success in the world and the Nobel Prize win are “the fruits of past investments. Thirty years ago, the higher education system in Israel was the world’s leader in scientific publications per capita, while today we are only in the fourth place. At the time there were few of us, and yet we reached amazing achievements.”

        Israel’s current budget is “Billions for weapons, only a few shekels for research.”

      • James Bradley
        October 7, 2009, 7:17 pm

        And yet another Zionut argument destroyed.

        He/She followed the Zionist arguing scale pretty good on that one. How does it go?

        1) We Rock
        2) You Suck
        3) They Suck
        4) Everyone Sucks.

        Looks like he/she went straight for number 3.

        link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com

        Classic but why not.

      • Donald
        October 7, 2009, 10:10 pm

        One can be a great scientist and a moral imbecile, or a great scientist and a great humanitarian, or anything in-between. And a culture can support the sciences and be horrific in other ways.

        Israel does produce great scientists. This tells us very little about its moral values.

    • Cliff
      October 7, 2009, 8:01 pm

      carnas, you are a moron.

      And what you’re writing IS ‘racial’ superiority. There are tons of literature on the occupation which documents the de-development of Palestinian society DUE TO THE OCCUPATION.

      For example, Sara Roy wrote specifically on the de-development of Gaza due to the occupation. It’s an entire book.

      You ignore all the complexities of a society and of the human condition w/ the acknowledgment of this Israeli Jew winning a Nobel Prize? Typical racism.

      I mean, of course any war-torn people will not be able to have a NORMAL LIFE let alone win awards.

      Israel is a country club for Jews. And Palestine is under Israeli Apartheid rule. What the hell do you expect?

      You are so racist, you dissassociate Israel’s responsibility COMPLETELY to the plight of the Palestinians. Did your JEWISH State arise out of nowhere, moron? Did those 800K Palestinians just decide to lose their homes out of ignorance due to racial inferiority?

      Furthermore, the POINT of Phil’s post is that Israelis have no moral intelligence. No empathy. Completely intellectually DISHONEST.

      And that’s true. You can be a wiz in Math and Science – but you can be a complete monster at the same time and have no ethics. Have no morality. Etc.

      • carnas
        October 7, 2009, 10:35 pm

        Who said anything about the Palestinians, bozo? No need to foam at the mouth. Anyway, the fact that no Arab country has managed to produce Noble-winning scientists casts some doubts on your claim that if the Palestinians had been in a different situation they would have been better off. Who would they be like? The Syrians, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, or the Saudis?

      • Shingo
        October 8, 2009, 5:37 am

        So Caranas,

        Does the fact that China has produced few, if any, Noble-winning scientists mean that China is a backward society and that Chinese are inadequate?

        And how many of the Nobel wining scientists were from Israel?

    • MRW
      October 7, 2009, 8:02 pm

      Well, the Arabs or the Persians, forget now, invented the science that the Israeli woman got her Nobel in. Ditto algebra.

      The 10 greatest discoveries of all time, from Encarta:
      1. The Pythagorean Theorem. Phythagoras, Greek
      2. The existence of microorganisms. Dutch lens maker Antoni van Leeuwenhoek
      4. The structure of matter. French chemist Antoine Lavoisier
      5. The circulation of blood. Arab doctor named Ibn al-Nafis (later attributed five centuries later to English doctor William Harvey)
      6. Electrical currents. Italian scientist Alessandro Volta
      7. The Evolution of Species. Charles Darwin, British
      8. Genes. Austrian monk Gregor Mendel identified the principles. Watson and Crick identified how.
      9. The four laws of thermodynamics. French physicist Nicolas Carnot, Irish mathematical physicist Baron Kelvin, German mathematical physicist Rudolf Clausius
      10. The dual nature of light. Danish physicist and Nobel laureate Neils Bohr, German physicist and Nobel laureate Max Planck, German-born American physicist and Nobel laureate Albert Einstein.

    • potsherd
      October 8, 2009, 1:55 pm

      Too bad Hebrew University is no longer a top school.

      he Hebrew University in Jerusalem has lost its place amongst the world’s top 100 universities, sliding from 93rd to 102nd place in the annual list published by the London Times Thursday.

      The paper ranks the top 200 universities in the world according to criteria such as published scientific studies as well as the quality of teaching and students, both local and international.

      Tel Aviv University succeeded in maintaining its spot as number 114 for the second year in a row, a rating it shares with Pittsburg University. Haifa’s Technion, however, slid from number 109 to number 132.

  4. syvanen
    October 7, 2009, 6:00 pm

    You don’t mention that two of those 9 prizes went to politicians who bamboozled Arafat during the Oslo process.

  5. marc b.
    October 7, 2009, 6:15 pm

    Technical genius and delusional hysteria can coexist in a single body politic.

  6. Sin Nombre
    October 7, 2009, 6:36 pm

    Michael Oren wrote:

    “”Recognizing the murder of six million Jews more than six decades ago is, in fact, vital for understanding the supreme dangers posed to six million Jews in Israel today….”

    As I said in an earlier post, this kind of thing is going to continually be used until Americans recognize that their first response to this isn’t to argue the truth or falsity of it, but instead to respond that “this means absolutely *nothing* about *our* supreme issue which is expending our blood and treasure upon *our* interests alone. *Nothing*.”

    And then watch the writhing and contortions begin.

  7. MRW
    October 7, 2009, 8:18 pm

    Recognizing the murder of six million Jews more than six decades ago is, in fact, vital for understanding the supreme dangers posed to six million Jews in Israel today

    What a crock. The Russians had 80 million murdered in WWII. Do those deaths endanger Russia today?

    • Donald
      October 7, 2009, 10:15 pm

      “The Russians had 80 million murdered in WWII. ”

      Good lord. Where do people get these numbers?

      Reminds me of how some claim that the slave trade killed 60 million Africans, and at least one person says 600 million. Where’d they get these numbers? Well, the lower number was obtained by adding one zero to the Holocaust death toll and the other was obtained by adding two zeroes. This means the slave trade beats the Holocaust in the competitive slaughter competition. What the true number is doesn’t really matter.

      This kind of thing is a pet peeve of mine.

      • VR
        October 8, 2009, 12:04 am

        Here are some numbers which are not so dismissible. Accurate demographic studies in North America of ancient Indian agriculture show that the land tilled to sustain the Indian people across this country, a race that was once aprox. 15 million strong. However, by the time the census of 1890 was taken, counting the Indians with the rest of the population, there were aprox. 280,000 remaining! That is over 97% attrition. They were almost brought to extinction.

  8. VR
    October 7, 2009, 8:26 pm

    Here the ultimate answer for the likes of Carnas:

    “Jordan soon emerged as one of the most important figures in quantum physics. He became Professor of Theoretical Physics at the University of Rostock in 1929. Over the next few years he attempted to popularize these theories in books such as Elementare Quantenmechanik (1929) and Anschauliche Quantentheorie (1936).”

    “In 1952 Braun became technical director of the US Army’s Ballistic Missile Agency at Huntsville, Alabama and was chiefly responsible for the manufacture and successful launching of Redstone, Jupiter-C, Juno and Pershing missiles. After the Soviet Union successfully launched Sputnik on 4th October, 1957, Braun concentrated on the development of space rockets and in January, 1958 launched Explorer I. In 1960 Braun became director of the Marshall Space Flight Center where he developed the Saturn rocket that helped the United States to land on the moon in 1969.”

    “Philip Lenard was born in Pozsony on 7th July, 1862. He studied at Heidelberg and Berlin and in 1898 he became professor of experimental physics at Kiel. He investigated the photoelectric effect and cathode rays (the stream of electrons emitted from the cathode in a vacuum tube) and in 1905 he was awarded the Nobel Prize and two years later became professor of of experimental physics at Heidelberg University.”

    “Stark correspondence with Albert Einstein and this resulted in him exploring what became known as the light quanta hypothesis. In 1913 Stark modified the photo-equivalence law that had been proposed by Einstein seven years earlier. In 1919 Stark discovered the splitting of spectral lines in a electric field and six years later won the Nobel Prize for Physics as a result of his work on electro-magnetism.”

    ALL OF THESE BRILLIANT SCIENTISTS AND NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, THEY WERE NAZIS. So much for the implication of brilliance with the actions of nations.

    • Shingo
      October 8, 2009, 5:39 am

      Superbly put v…,

      Your examples put a nail in the coffin of the idea that scientific achievement gurantees as civilized and enlightened society.

  9. MRW
    October 7, 2009, 8:37 pm

    I was watching a video about Michael Kearney, the genius kid, whose brain scientists were examining under a MRI. The kid has an IQ that is off-the-charts, unmeasurable.

    He spoke his first words at four months. At the age of six months, he said to his pediatrician “I have a left ear infection” [2] and learned to read at the age of ten months. [3] … He finished high school at age 6, enrolled at Santa Rosa Junior College at the age of six, graduating at 8 with an Associate of Science in Geology. He is listed in the Guinness Book as the world’s youngest university graduate at the age of 10, receiving a bachelor’s degree in anthropology from the University of South Alabama. He graduated from Middle Tennessee State University with a master’s degree in biochemistry at the age of 14. …
    He taught at Vanderbilt University also in Tennessee at 16. He received a second Master’s degree in Computer Science from Vanderbilt when he was 17.

    The scientists showed that when using his frontal lobe, his cognitive abilities were extraordinary, but when he used the amygdala (medium temporal lobe), which is the location of emotional reactions, he reverted to being a teenage boy. The amygdala controls the emotions, not intelligence; and in Michael’s case, when the amygdale ruled, the frontal lobe couldn’t. [This video is currently on HuffPo.]

    When I read hyperbolic overly-emotional attempts at rationality, such as the Michael Oren bleating above, I am struck by the untamed emotion and the lack of intelligence. Undiscriminating Israel supporters: Amygdala robots?

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