Oren screed written off as ‘crazy… ridiculous’ on Huffpo

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Great post by MJ Rosenberg saying just how crazy the Oren piece in the New Republic is. Sad reflection on the Israel lobby: 

Israel’s Ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, writing in The New Republic, says that the Goldstone Report "portrays the Jews as the deliberate murderers of innocents–as Nazis. And a Nazi state not only lacks the need and right to defend itself; it must rather be destroyed."

This is crazy stuff, especially because it comes not from some rightwing crank but from Israel’s highest ranking diplomat who serves in its most significant diplomatic post. Oren is also an intellectual, an author who is American born and educated.

Oren’s take on the Goldstone report is ridiculous. In fact, nowhere in his piece does he dispute the report’s finding that Israel (and Hamas) committed war crimes during the Gaza war…

Richard Goldstone would not strip Israel of its right, its obligation, to defend its citizens. Hardly. He has been involved in pro-Israel activities during his entire life. As for those who support the two-state solution, they are trying not to "compel Israel onto a course of self-destruction" but to help Israel avoid straying on to that course.


7 Responses

  1. potsherd
    October 7, 2009, 7:54 pm

    [a state that is] deliberate murderers of innocents … not only lacks the need and right to defend itself; it must rather be destroyed.”

    That sums it up.

  2. Citizen
    October 7, 2009, 7:57 pm

    Oren is just one more example of a loon in high place. It’s absolutely scary. The USA is doomed unless mass America wakes up–not likely with the MSM coffee it imbibes.

  3. syvanen
    October 7, 2009, 8:57 pm

    It is just not a case of a loon in high office, but a politician expressing the lunacy of his constituency — a constituency that reflects the politcal reality inside Israel today and also strongly reflects the thinking of the Zionist lobby inside the US. It seems that the situation is getting worse since the Gaza massacres. I have been trying to wrap my mind around this problem in a number of recent threads. I have used terms like “cognitive disonance”, “mass psychosis” and asked that we should be sensitive to “beliefs” that drive Israeli politics (the latter being even if we think the beliefs are irrational, we should accept that they are rational to those holding them).

    Since the Gaza war we have seen the growth of J-Street, unfortunately for every convert to that approach (which I support) there have been 5 Israelis and 2 American Jews that have seen this change as an antisemitic attack on Israel. These are people that were mostly apolitical with respect to the IP conflict or have given weak support in polls to the two state solution.

    Even though many of us reject these right wing memes and the right of Israel to oppress Palestinians, it is a political fact of life that Israel and the US are currently in an unassailable alliance. As we all painfully saw when Obama was forced to back down on his demand for a settlement freeze. The current situation is very dangerous and it is difficult for those of us active in the politcal process to come up with a program that will move the US in a direction of disengagement from the ME madness.

  4. jimby
    October 8, 2009, 5:45 am

    There is a great editorial by Gideon Levy this morning in Ha’aretz :

    This starts from the top. The Supreme Court deliberates on various matters. Is torture legal? Are assassinations permitted? Is it permissible to take land away from a farmer? Is it permissible to impose a siege on hundreds of thousands of people? Is it legal to imprison people for years without trial? Is it possible to prevent people from getting medical treatment? Is it legitimate to prevent children from getting to school? The mere fact of raising these questions in court, as if there weren’t already a conclusive answer to them, is the most depressing proof of the moral nadir to which we have declined.

    link to haaretz.com

  5. Citizen
    October 8, 2009, 7:23 am

    Amen to what Syvanen and Jimby say above. The madness is getting worse; here’s another symptom of it concerning attacks on a demonized messenger Julius Streicher and Goebbels would be proud of:
    link to uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com

    • DG
      October 8, 2009, 5:57 pm

      Nice piece by Atzmon. Thanks Citizen.

      “Rather than following the banal Zionist query ‘who is a Jew?’ I suggest that we take the discourse one step further and ask a very simple question: What Jewishness stands for?”

      Whether you think it’s for better or for worse, you’d think that an ideology that was profoundly affecting the world would be discussed, at least a little. That people would talk about it and explore it, just like we examine every other ideology, from communism to UFOism. But no, apparently the oxymoronic phrase, “Judeo-Christian heritage” is supposed to exhaust the subject. Anything more specific is taboo.

  6. otto
    October 8, 2009, 8:16 am

    MJ is rather crazy himself of course, given his settler-enabling attitude.

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