Hint: slight tangent there on woody allen (cf to be proud of another jew is not the same as being a jew)

Leader, you are as as gullible as any Nazi from the old days.

Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, … were gullible? Tricked by whom? What exactly makes me like them. Or are you not suggesting the manipulators but the manipulated?

Look I am making a difference between people and politics. And I am perfectly satisfied with the fact that he shares his thought processes with us. Why should I want him to change in any way? And how exactly does he need to change according to you? Are you expecting him to leave his Jewishness behind like a pair of worn trousers, or would you allow him to redefine so it fits again under the new conditions?

You think that’s not a grave political question, with very real impact on the world?
My, you are really naive.

V, what do you believe defines the 21st century? What ideas should the best modern men hold? Do you believe that outside of Western Hegemony there is a world that embraces all humanity? Is it possible that those who embrace humanity and those who don’t would wind up at odds over ideological issues rather than racial, ethnic or religious issues? Are ideological conflicts more humane or noble than conflicts based on religious, ethnic or racial matters?

WHICH Jewish population is the source of the Y chromosome, the minority/elite that Nebuchadnezzar took to -Baghdad- Babylon, where most of them stayed even after Cyrus funded their return to Palestine, or the majority who remained in Palestine after Nebuchadnezzar’s population transfer?

Professor Ruderman teaches that a great deal of animosity existed between the two groups of Hebrews, an inter-religious tension that persisted strongly for perhaps a thousand years, as Babylon Jews insisted they were the arbiters of Jewish religious law as against the Palestinian dispensation; and that continued to a lesser degree well into the 20th century, during all of which time Jews still had a large and influential population in Baghdad and ‘ruled’ from that Vaticanistic stronghold until the first third of the 2oth century.

So, which Jews are the owners of the Y chromosome — Baghdad Jews or Palestinian Jews?

Woody Allen of course was one of the more Jewish comedians and particularly enjoyable. Of course Woody besmirched his name when he stole his step daughter away from Rosemary’s baby (i mean) Mia Farrow’s family. But remember Woody’s devotion to Jewish causes was “damaged” before Soon Nyi came on the scene. At the beginning of the first intifadeh, when Rabin, before his incarnation as a peace maker, promised to literally break the limbs of the stone throwers, Woody had an op ed in the Times bemoaning how the blue and white JNF boxes had seemed innocent enough and this breaking of bones seemed to be a bit cruel. Now Woody is devoted to the idea of mixing of the races or undoing the Jewish race through intermarriage and he sees tribalism as a curse that needs to be undone. Yet when he indulges in racial pride or something approaching it, when Annie Hall’s grandmother envisions him as a chasid while he’s sitting at Annie Hall’s table, or when the screen splits and the Jewish half (Alvy Singer’s family) talks of Yom Kippur and Annie Hall’s half talks of the bright sunshine of Minnesota (or whatever) there is a pride that I take in Woody’s Jewishness. (Let alone when he refers to his rabbi as “reform, very reform, a nazi in fact.)

Certainly Annie Hall is more famous than Woody’s “Stardust Memories” but when the Woody character in Stardust Memories meets a classmate from the good old days in Brooklyn and the classmate bemoans their divergent paths one to fame and the other to obscurity the Woody character gives chance its due- “I happen to live in a culture where a good sense of humor is valued. If I had been born in Europe I would have ended up a lamp shade.” So a recognition of the Holocaust plays a role in Woody’s humor even though Woody was born on the wrong (right) side of the Atlantic.

Certainly even Jews who take umbrage at Noam Chomsky’s anti Zionism feel that Chomsky crossed a line when he wrote an endorsement of the right of free speech of Faurisson. And even Jews who hate Neturei Karta for their anti Zionism feel that they crossed the line when they attended Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust denial shindig in Tehran, even though they asserted the Holocaust’s undeniability from Ahmadinejad’s podium, sharing the podium with lowlife Jew haters was seen as a new low for Neturei Karta.

We take pride in Leonard Cohen when he writes “And who by fire” but moreso when he plays his concerts in Tel Aviv.

The Jewish penchant to take pride where others don’t take pride was portrayed on one episode of the Sopranos, where the Italian shrink (played by Lorainne Brocco who played a Jewess in Goodfellas) is ashamed of Italian mafiosi whereas some Jewish person she meets beams with pride when discussing someone of the likes of Meyer Lansky or Bugsy Siegel. And although I have never heard a Jew in any degree of seriousness taking pride in Jack Ruby’s act, who can deny that there might have been a little Jewish chip on his shoulder that helped drive him to the act and afterwards proclaim, “I’ve got balls, don’t I?”

To be continued

Did you understand what Wondering Jew told you, what makes you so angry about this simple truth? Do you think you are completely independent from the Zeitgeist around you. Why should the Zionists be different?

I am watching this phenomenon with quite a bit of interest. Please Phil, join us, leave your tribe and family behind. The struggle for Phil’s soul.

How does this demand differ from earlier attempts to deal with the issue? If only Jews converted everything would be fine. If I miss something, I would be pleased if someone pointed it out to me.

The problem is, as Wondering Jew wrote, it didn’t help to leave the community, turn agnostic or convert. At one point the converted like <a href=