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		<title>By: Why J Street doesn&#8217;t say the G-word</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/squaring-the-circle-and-erasing-the-margins.html/comment-page-1#comment-120077</link>
		<dc:creator>Why J Street doesn&#8217;t say the G-word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the two-state-solution&#8217;s merits or nonmerits for a moment, the political question, which Adam pointed out the other day, is that the movement is way ahead of J Street. The movement is a pluralistic one. It is composed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the two-state-solution&#8217;s merits or nonmerits for a moment, the political question, which Adam pointed out the other day, is that the movement is way ahead of J Street. The movement is a pluralistic one. It is composed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: College Frat Boy &#187; Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</title>
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		<dc:creator>College Frat Boy &#187; Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is from here. Visit the link to read more.BFD. The Boys of Bialystock fan their faces with our and their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post is from here. Visit the link to read more.BFD. The Boys of Bialystock fan their faces with our and their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J Street Reflections - JVOICES.COM</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Street Reflections - JVOICES.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Jewschool and the Velveteen Rabbi&#8217;s thorough session transcriptions. Also worthwhile: Adam Horowitz&#8217;s insightful piece in Mondoweiss and Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam. Wade through all of those and you can consider [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Jewschool and the Velveteen Rabbi&#8217;s thorough session transcriptions. Also worthwhile: Adam Horowitz&#8217;s insightful piece in Mondoweiss and Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam. Wade through all of those and you can consider [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Black Gay Hunks &#187; Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Gay Hunks &#187; Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is from here. Visit the link to read more.BFD. The Boys of Bialystock fan their faces with our and their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post is from here. Visit the link to read more.BFD. The Boys of Bialystock fan their faces with our and their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/squaring-the-circle-and-erasing-the-margins.html/comment-page-1#comment-119653</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who reveals discernible antipathy here:
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest... it’s not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who reveals discernible antipathy here:<br />
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest&#8230; it’s not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that my score might be a bit lower than yours, but I find it impossible to think of myself as antisemitic because I have or feel no discernible antipathy toward Jews. Isn&#039;t that logically a requirement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that my score might be a bit lower than yours, but I find it impossible to think of myself as antisemitic because I have or feel no discernible antipathy toward Jews. Isn&#8217;t that logically a requirement?</p>
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		<title>By: former coMMenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>former coMMenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Citizen. I&#039;m gonna go out on a limb and apply the ADL anti-Semitism test to myself. I&#039;m probably outing myself as a rabid anti-Semite here, but here goes:

&lt;i&gt;Jews stick together more than other Americans.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t that the definition of tribalism?

&lt;i&gt;Jews always like to be at the head of things.&lt;/i&gt;

Like all humans?

&lt;i&gt;Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.&lt;/i&gt;

Many aren&#039;t nationalistic at all about America, yet are about Israel.

&lt;i&gt;Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.&lt;/i&gt;

Zionists have way too much power in the U.S. media and government.

&lt;i&gt;Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.&lt;/i&gt;

Tribal networking is probably among the least of Wall Street&#039;s problems.

&lt;i&gt;Jews have too much power in the business world.&lt;/i&gt;

Men have too much power in the business world. I imagine some of them are Jewish.

&lt;i&gt;Jews have a lot of irritating faults.&lt;/i&gt;

As do I.

&lt;i&gt;Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.&lt;/i&gt;

Not in places where the law is applied equally to all.

&lt;i&gt;Jewish businesspeople are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.&lt;/i&gt;

Sometimes tribal networking probably tilts the field; Jews are not the only ones who do that, though.

&lt;i&gt;Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.&lt;/i&gt;

Is that statement good for the Jews?

&lt;i&gt;Jews are not just as honest as other businesspeople.&lt;/i&gt;

Businesspeople are honest?


Anyone else want to give it a try?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Citizen. I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb and apply the ADL anti-Semitism test to myself. I&#8217;m probably outing myself as a rabid anti-Semite here, but here goes:</p>
<p><i>Jews stick together more than other Americans.</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the definition of tribalism?</p>
<p><i>Jews always like to be at the head of things.</i></p>
<p>Like all humans?</p>
<p><i>Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.</i></p>
<p>Many aren&#8217;t nationalistic at all about America, yet are about Israel.</p>
<p><i>Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.</i></p>
<p>Zionists have way too much power in the U.S. media and government.</p>
<p><i>Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.</i></p>
<p>Tribal networking is probably among the least of Wall Street&#8217;s problems.</p>
<p><i>Jews have too much power in the business world.</i></p>
<p>Men have too much power in the business world. I imagine some of them are Jewish.</p>
<p><i>Jews have a lot of irritating faults.</i></p>
<p>As do I.</p>
<p><i>Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.</i></p>
<p>Not in places where the law is applied equally to all.</p>
<p><i>Jewish businesspeople are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.</i></p>
<p>Sometimes tribal networking probably tilts the field; Jews are not the only ones who do that, though.</p>
<p><i>Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.</i></p>
<p>Is that statement good for the Jews?</p>
<p><i>Jews are not just as honest as other businesspeople.</i></p>
<p>Businesspeople are honest?</p>
<p>Anyone else want to give it a try?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJ--

I agree with much or most of what you say--in particular, Nazi comparisons are something that people should only rarely use.   If one wants historical analogies there are plenty of others that seem more accurate to me.   It just seems like baiting to do this.   In general, excessively harsh rhetoric actually weakens one&#039;s case.  I don&#039;t mean this in some Witty-like way, because I don&#039;t think people should pull punches describing the crimes committed in the name of Zionism.  Certainly people in the US don&#039;t hesitate to denounce Arab crimes or Arab antisemitism, so this frankness should work both ways.   But there&#039;s no reason to bring in the Nazi comparisons--it&#039;s over-the-top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJ&#8211;</p>
<p>I agree with much or most of what you say&#8211;in particular, Nazi comparisons are something that people should only rarely use.   If one wants historical analogies there are plenty of others that seem more accurate to me.   It just seems like baiting to do this.   In general, excessively harsh rhetoric actually weakens one&#8217;s case.  I don&#8217;t mean this in some Witty-like way, because I don&#8217;t think people should pull punches describing the crimes committed in the name of Zionism.  Certainly people in the US don&#8217;t hesitate to denounce Arab crimes or Arab antisemitism, so this frankness should work both ways.   But there&#8217;s no reason to bring in the Nazi comparisons&#8211;it&#8217;s over-the-top.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMI - certainly the number of Jew hating comments are more like a sprinkling rather than half.    

On this thread the shooting today at the Los Angeles synagogue is greeted by Todd with the comment, Let the fun begin.   On another thread I recall someone advising people to turn off their Talmud televisions.  I think the constant comparisons of Israel or Israel supporters to Nazis might not qualify strictly speaking as Jew hating, but if you are serious about starting an American lobby regarding the middle east, I would advise avoiding rhetoric of that sort.  I am not providing a definition at this point and I know that&#039;s unfair, but if you&#039;re serious about avoiding antisemitism, I would try to avoid referring to Kevin MacDonald&#039;s writings in a favorable way.  I think if you express a wish to institute quotas to keep the number of Jews down in universities, this may or may not be antisemitism, but it would be something as the organizer of this new lobby that you wouldn&#039;t want to expose to the light of day.  If you wish to compare the genocide of the Jews by the Nazis to other genocides, you should be specific and not make general comments like &quot;It wasn&#039;t even unique at the time.&quot;  Not that it&#039;s necessarily Jew hating but it would certainly open you up to such accusations.  Those are a few examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMI &#8211; certainly the number of Jew hating comments are more like a sprinkling rather than half.    </p>
<p>On this thread the shooting today at the Los Angeles synagogue is greeted by Todd with the comment, Let the fun begin.   On another thread I recall someone advising people to turn off their Talmud televisions.  I think the constant comparisons of Israel or Israel supporters to Nazis might not qualify strictly speaking as Jew hating, but if you are serious about starting an American lobby regarding the middle east, I would advise avoiding rhetoric of that sort.  I am not providing a definition at this point and I know that&#8217;s unfair, but if you&#8217;re serious about avoiding antisemitism, I would try to avoid referring to Kevin MacDonald&#8217;s writings in a favorable way.  I think if you express a wish to institute quotas to keep the number of Jews down in universities, this may or may not be antisemitism, but it would be something as the organizer of this new lobby that you wouldn&#8217;t want to expose to the light of day.  If you wish to compare the genocide of the Jews by the Nazis to other genocides, you should be specific and not make general comments like &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t even unique at the time.&#8221;  Not that it&#8217;s necessarily Jew hating but it would certainly open you up to such accusations.  Those are a few examples.</p>
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		<title>By: J Street pushing a policy that leads to disappointment &#124; Antony Loewenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Street pushing a policy that leads to disappointment &#124; Antony Loewenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conference was a relatively wide-tent socially, if not politically. It’s unimaginable that AIPAC’s annual conference would tolerate (or even attract) participants who wanted to debate a post-Zionist Israel.  Former [...]</description>
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