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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/the-times-shows-zero-intellectual-courage-on-goldstone.html/comment-page-1#comment-113929</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has mentioned the demonizing of Judge Goldstone by certain elements within Israel. Some have even called him a &quot;self-hating Jew&quot;...and an &quot;anti-Semitic Jew&quot;.  It seems to me that such insults to Goldstone ought to be of concern to the U.S. administration and yet no one has spoken out. 

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned the demonizing of Judge Goldstone by certain elements within Israel. Some have even called him a &#8220;self-hating Jew&#8221;&#8230;and an &#8220;anti-Semitic Jew&#8221;.  It seems to me that such insults to Goldstone ought to be of concern to the U.S. administration and yet no one has spoken out. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: ‘The Times’ lets everyone off the hook on Goldstone &#124; War On You: Breaking Alternative News</title>
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		<dc:creator>‘The Times’ lets everyone off the hook on Goldstone &#124; War On You: Breaking Alternative News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James North and Philip Weiss on October 8, 2009 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/the-times-shows-zero-intellectual-courage-on-goldstone.html/comment-page-1#comment-113900</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to add, v..., that this was very good post of yours, as most are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to add, v&#8230;, that this was very good post of yours, as most are.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/the-times-shows-zero-intellectual-courage-on-goldstone.html/comment-page-1#comment-113899</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israelis and American Jews are fools if they think that the non-Jews in this country aren&#039;t noticing this. Many feel they can&#039;t speak out without being branded anti-semites; however, that enforced silence builds up. It festers. There will be a consequence to this, even if belated.

And as I posted in an OT comment on &quot;Rebranding Jews,&quot; here is what Friday&#039;s Haaretz is reporting: &lt;b&gt;&#039;U.S. furious over Israeli incitement against Obama&#039;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. administration is furious over Israeli incitement against President Barack Obama, Democratic congressmen close to Obama told an Israeli source who returned from a visit to Washington this week. 

The congressmen even hinted that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been personally involved. 

The source, who met in Washington with administration officials and members of Congress, told Haaretz he was stunned by the level of anger there over attempts to portray Obama to the American public as an enemy of Israel because of his efforts to restart peace talks and freeze settlement construction. 

&quot;There are people here who are playing with fire by damaging our relationship with the U.S.,&quot; the source said.  [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The rest: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119819.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israelis and American Jews are fools if they think that the non-Jews in this country aren&#8217;t noticing this. Many feel they can&#8217;t speak out without being branded anti-semites; however, that enforced silence builds up. It festers. There will be a consequence to this, even if belated.</p>
<p>And as I posted in an OT comment on &#8220;Rebranding Jews,&#8221; here is what Friday&#8217;s Haaretz is reporting: <b>&#8216;U.S. furious over Israeli incitement against Obama&#8217;</b><br />
<blockquote>The U.S. administration is furious over Israeli incitement against President Barack Obama, Democratic congressmen close to Obama told an Israeli source who returned from a visit to Washington this week. </p>
<p>The congressmen even hinted that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been personally involved. </p>
<p>The source, who met in Washington with administration officials and members of Congress, told Haaretz he was stunned by the level of anger there over attempts to portray Obama to the American public as an enemy of Israel because of his efforts to restart peace talks and freeze settlement construction. </p>
<p>&#8220;There are people here who are playing with fire by damaging our relationship with the U.S.,&#8221; the source said.  [...]</p></blockquote>
<p>The rest: <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119819.html">link to haaretz.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/the-times-shows-zero-intellectual-courage-on-goldstone.html/comment-page-1#comment-113898</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Israeli IDF lack of discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Israeli IDF lack of discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/the-times-shows-zero-intellectual-courage-on-goldstone.html/comment-page-1#comment-113897</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with US_Objector, Donald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with US_Objector, Donald.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the Israeli soldiers killed in the operation, almost half were victims of Israeli fire.   (4 out of 9 iirc) Which speaks not only to the utter lack of armed resistance on the part of the Palestinians, but the wanton ferocity of the Israeli assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the Israeli soldiers killed in the operation, almost half were victims of Israeli fire.   (4 out of 9 iirc) Which speaks not only to the utter lack of armed resistance on the part of the Palestinians, but the wanton ferocity of the Israeli assault.</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They will not cover what was in the Goldstone report,  because the MSM is like a concert,  each of them has a part to play but they are all playing the same song.   I really have to say,  there is no surprise in this,  especially if you have followed these publications and other &quot;major&quot; media sources. 

This is because the truth is too damning,  so in a sense you have to put alternate media and the main sources of information like the report and the human rights information together.  What you come up with is that the massacre (and there is a reason I call it a massacre)  was meant to be,  because they targeted specifically the people of Gaza indiscriminately.  It was meant to kill the innocent,  the weak,  the children,  women,  old people,  and if they could the &quot;militants.&quot;   When you read everything,  this is what you come away with.

The one issue which no one seems to be able to decipher when you read the testimonies,  like those produced by Breaking The Silence is the refrain from the Israeli soldiers of &quot;where was the enemy?&quot;  There were no battles.  So where was this seething violent Hamas,  you know,  the picture that is painted?  I know where they were,  they were directing the people - trying  to rush them to places of hiding where there was no place to hide.  This is because they knew that the forces were not coming after them,  they were coming for all of the people who are over 50% children,  and any thing that meant  a normal life (infrastructure,  water facilities,  chicken farms,  flour mill,  homes of residents,  schools,  hospitals,  etc.),  to destroy.  That is because Hamas is not the target,  the Palestinians are the target,  they were the target before there was even any Hamas.   The goal is to drive them away or to exterminate them. 

The soldiers kept saying &quot;where is the enemy (in the Break The Silence testimonies),&quot;  and they  began to wonder in the &quot;field&quot; - why is this horrific bombing going on,  shelling,  strafing,  release of phosphorous weapons right over populations (not as cover for operations because there were enemies there,  they were not there,  but to burn the tender flesh off of the bodies of human beings).   The only restraint that there was occurred because there was a watching world (as much as it could watch with the banning of all media sources),  which merely becomes more of a condemnation because it shows that the activity was coldly calculated and not an act of passion or rage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They will not cover what was in the Goldstone report,  because the MSM is like a concert,  each of them has a part to play but they are all playing the same song.   I really have to say,  there is no surprise in this,  especially if you have followed these publications and other &#8220;major&#8221; media sources. </p>
<p>This is because the truth is too damning,  so in a sense you have to put alternate media and the main sources of information like the report and the human rights information together.  What you come up with is that the massacre (and there is a reason I call it a massacre)  was meant to be,  because they targeted specifically the people of Gaza indiscriminately.  It was meant to kill the innocent,  the weak,  the children,  women,  old people,  and if they could the &#8220;militants.&#8221;   When you read everything,  this is what you come away with.</p>
<p>The one issue which no one seems to be able to decipher when you read the testimonies,  like those produced by Breaking The Silence is the refrain from the Israeli soldiers of &#8220;where was the enemy?&#8221;  There were no battles.  So where was this seething violent Hamas,  you know,  the picture that is painted?  I know where they were,  they were directing the people &#8211; trying  to rush them to places of hiding where there was no place to hide.  This is because they knew that the forces were not coming after them,  they were coming for all of the people who are over 50% children,  and any thing that meant  a normal life (infrastructure,  water facilities,  chicken farms,  flour mill,  homes of residents,  schools,  hospitals,  etc.),  to destroy.  That is because Hamas is not the target,  the Palestinians are the target,  they were the target before there was even any Hamas.   The goal is to drive them away or to exterminate them. </p>
<p>The soldiers kept saying &#8220;where is the enemy (in the Break The Silence testimonies),&#8221;  and they  began to wonder in the &#8220;field&#8221; &#8211; why is this horrific bombing going on,  shelling,  strafing,  release of phosphorous weapons right over populations (not as cover for operations because there were enemies there,  they were not there,  but to burn the tender flesh off of the bodies of human beings).   The only restraint that there was occurred because there was a watching world (as much as it could watch with the banning of all media sources),  which merely becomes more of a condemnation because it shows that the activity was coldly calculated and not an act of passion or rage.</p>
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		<title>By: kylebisme</title>
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		<dc:creator>kylebisme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve decided to start a movement of referring to the NYT as &quot;the newspaper of dubious record&quot;. Who is with me on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided to start a movement of referring to the NYT as &#8220;the newspaper of dubious record&#8221;. Who is with me on this?</p>
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		<title>By: US_Objector</title>
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		<dc:creator>US_Objector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald, astoundingly good analogy.  While the U.S. is doped up on what a drugged-out Kanye West may have done to poor Taylor Swift at the MTV Awards, Palestine is systematically being wiped off the map.   With our tax dollars. 

Question: is there any publication or news outlet in the U.S. that is doing a credible job of covering the I/P conflagration?  Tim McGurk was doing some fine work at Time, but he seems to be silenced;  the Christian Science Monitor also appears to be courageous in its coverage.  Anybody else?  Any one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald, astoundingly good analogy.  While the U.S. is doped up on what a drugged-out Kanye West may have done to poor Taylor Swift at the MTV Awards, Palestine is systematically being wiped off the map.   With our tax dollars. </p>
<p>Question: is there any publication or news outlet in the U.S. that is doing a credible job of covering the I/P conflagration?  Tim McGurk was doing some fine work at Time, but he seems to be silenced;  the Christian Science Monitor also appears to be courageous in its coverage.  Anybody else?  Any one?</p>
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