Comments on: What planet? department: AJC comes out for permanent war http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:55:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chaos4700 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118597 Chaos4700 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:37 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118597 The classic feigned wound feint isn't going to get you much ground here, Witty. The fact that you're whining about someone being aggressive and going completely off the rails with regards to the <i>real</i> debate is proof enough that your position is inflated merely by the hot air of your egoistic mirages. And Witty? Unlike myself (and really, you) most of the commentors here are LIBERAL AMERICAN JEWS. You're going to keep making the case that Jews -- American Jews in particular -- are not taught about Zionism? Really? The fact is, they learned about Zionism and found it utterly lacking. You should maybe deal with the fact that the issue isn't that the people here don't know real Zionism -- it's that they do, and they reject it as the false doctrine that it is. The classic feigned wound feint isn’t going to get you much ground here, Witty. The fact that you’re whining about someone being aggressive and going completely off the rails with regards to the real debate is proof enough that your position is inflated merely by the hot air of your egoistic mirages.

And Witty? Unlike myself (and really, you) most of the commentors here are LIBERAL AMERICAN JEWS. You’re going to keep making the case that Jews — American Jews in particular — are not taught about Zionism? Really?

The fact is, they learned about Zionism and found it utterly lacking. You should maybe deal with the fact that the issue isn’t that the people here don’t know real Zionism — it’s that they do, and they reject it as the false doctrine that it is.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118593 Richard Witty Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:43:10 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118593 Nolan, If you want to discuss actually, try to tone down the active aggression. It makes the interpersonal the subject of your content, rather than the points themselves. I contest that MOST of the far left and right/left angry commentators have not yet read a history of Zionism or of Israel, except from sanctioned dissenting sources. Its like only reading "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, and concluding "I am a student of history". (That book is excellent for its scope and commitment by the author, but including the presence of irony in avoiding straight up good guy/bad guy oversimplification. A good example is his chapters on the civil war in which he praises and condemns the anti-draft movement, that also morphed into a mass racial murder movement, in New York.) Nolan,
If you want to discuss actually, try to tone down the active aggression.

It makes the interpersonal the subject of your content, rather than the points themselves.

I contest that MOST of the far left and right/left angry commentators have not yet read a history of Zionism or of Israel, except from sanctioned dissenting sources.

Its like only reading “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn, and concluding “I am a student of history”. (That book is excellent for its scope and commitment by the author, but including the presence of irony in avoiding straight up good guy/bad guy oversimplification. A good example is his chapters on the civil war in which he praises and condemns the anti-draft movement, that also morphed into a mass racial murder movement, in New York.)

]]> By: tree http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118529 tree Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:18:22 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118529 Richard, you mention reading about the 1949 armistice in the vaguest of terms and then tell us you had never heard of this before, even though you, for some unknown reason, think of yourself as well-read. Really? You've never heard of the concept of Palestinians being cut off from their land? You've just pointed out your own ignorance in that post, and further pointed out your ignorance by asking me to explain it to you. Richard, you mention reading about the 1949 armistice in the vaguest of terms and then tell us you had never heard of this before, even though you, for some unknown reason, think of yourself as well-read. Really? You’ve never heard of the concept of Palestinians being cut off from their land? You’ve just pointed out your own ignorance in that post, and further pointed out your ignorance by asking me to explain it to you.

]]> By: Chaos4700 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118522 Chaos4700 Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:47:02 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118522 Let's start with the Nakba denial part. That's a good springboard, considering. Let’s start with the Nakba denial part. That’s a good springboard, considering.

]]> By: Dan Kelly http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118519 Dan Kelly Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:40:17 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118519 <i>What I’ve read indicated to me that Einstein was an assertive advocate of settlement, institution building, Jewish self-governance, who like me regarded Palestinians as human beings to be treated as kindly and collaboratively </b>as was possible</i></b> as was possible, <i>in light of our assertive advocacy of settlement and institution building and Jewish self-governance</i> ON THEIR HOMELAND. Let's be as kind as possible and collaborate as much as possible while we move in and push them out. This is Zionist humanism The supremacism seeps out yet again. Never ceasess to amaze. What I’ve read indicated to me that Einstein was an assertive advocate of settlement, institution building, Jewish self-governance, who like me regarded Palestinians as human beings to be treated as kindly and collaboratively as was possible

as was possible, in light of our assertive advocacy of settlement and institution building and Jewish self-governance ON THEIR HOMELAND.

Let’s be as kind as possible and collaborate as much as possible while we move in and push them out. This is Zionist humanism

The supremacism seeps out yet again. Never ceasess to amaze.

]]> By: Nolan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118491 Nolan Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:06:20 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118491 Yet, you haven't addressed any of the points I brought up in response to your diatribe. All you did was come back at me with more self-righteous indignation and holier-than-thou nonsense. Try harder next time. You're not that good at deflecting the issue, by the way. If by "warring" you mean pointing out that which conflicts with your ideology then the answer is "yes". Your problem is that you are a flip-flopper and a hypocrite. Perhaps you can start by overcoming that denial. It will be a healthy transformation for you. <cite>Rather than seeking to describe and hopefully reconcile the conflict, you also adopted warring as your mode.</cite> Not everyone can perfect passive aggressiveness and conceitedness like you. Yet, you haven’t addressed any of the points I brought up in response to your diatribe. All you did was come back at me with more self-righteous indignation and holier-than-thou nonsense. Try harder next time. You’re not that good at deflecting the issue, by the way.

If by “warring” you mean pointing out that which conflicts with your ideology then the answer is “yes”. Your problem is that you are a flip-flopper and a hypocrite. Perhaps you can start by overcoming that denial. It will be a healthy transformation for you.

Rather than seeking to describe and hopefully reconcile the conflict, you also adopted warring as your mode.

Not everyone can perfect passive aggressiveness and conceitedness like you.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118398 Richard Witty Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:43:25 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118398 Good rant Nolan. My question was a fairly simple one, implying conflict of understanding, but followed by warring. Rather than seeking to describe and hopefully reconcile the conflict, you also adopted warring as your mode. Did I "bring" infiltration into this thread, or was it others? Stop the shoot first approach, please. Good rant Nolan.

My question was a fairly simple one, implying conflict of understanding, but followed by warring.

Rather than seeking to describe and hopefully reconcile the conflict, you also adopted warring as your mode.

Did I “bring” infiltration into this thread, or was it others? Stop the shoot first approach, please.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118397 Richard Witty Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:39:56 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118397 If Donald was specific, there would be "facts" to respond to. The next question would then become relevant. "What else was going on? What was the context of actions or statements? What is the significance in context?" The difference between reading and gathering information for understanding (and responsive and responsible action) and reading and gathering information for propagandistic purposes (warring in words). If Donald was specific, there would be “facts” to respond to.

The next question would then become relevant. “What else was going on? What was the context of actions or statements? What is the significance in context?”

The difference between reading and gathering information for understanding (and responsive and responsible action) and reading and gathering information for propagandistic purposes (warring in words).

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118396 Richard Witty Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:36:07 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118396 What I've read indicated to me that Einstein was an assertive advocate of settlement, institution building, Jewish self-governance, who like me regarded Palestinians as human beings to be treated as kindly and collaboratively as was possible. When push came to shove, he supported the Jewish state, describing the 1948 ratification as "fulfillment of our dreams". NOT, as some shame or disapproval as you infer. What I’ve read indicated to me that Einstein was an assertive advocate of settlement, institution building, Jewish self-governance, who like me regarded Palestinians as human beings to be treated as kindly and collaboratively as was possible.

When push came to shove, he supported the Jewish state, describing the 1948 ratification as “fulfillment of our dreams”.

NOT, as some shame or disapproval as you infer.

]]> By: robin http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/what-planet-department-ajc-comes-out-for-permanent-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-118360 robin Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:13:25 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10341#comment-118360 Yonira, the real question is: why does Israel kidnap thousands of Palestinians for every one soldier Hamas takes prisoner? Palestinians would demean their own worth by NOT demanding the release of ALL political prisoners and plain-old kidnap victims in Israeli detention. Yonira, the real question is: why does Israel kidnap thousands of Palestinians for every one soldier Hamas takes prisoner?

Palestinians would demean their own worth by NOT demanding the release of ALL political prisoners and plain-old kidnap victims in Israeli detention.

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