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		<title>By: Tuyzentfloot</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-120153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuyzentfloot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As the perpetual moderate and optimist, I thought you were too easy on J Street!&lt;/i&gt;(the &#039;you&#039; being Philip Weiss).  I&#039;ve read Phil&#039;s post differently.  There&#039;s a difference between trying to list the positive things about an event and being too easy. And as everyone knows, being against something is no excuse for being bad at extracting  the positives. 

Oh well, maybe not everyone knows.
Ok. Maybe it&#039;s an excuse too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As the perpetual moderate and optimist, I thought you were too easy on J Street!</i>(the &#8216;you&#8217; being Philip Weiss).  I&#8217;ve read Phil&#8217;s post differently.  There&#8217;s a difference between trying to list the positive things about an event and being too easy. And as everyone knows, being against something is no excuse for being bad at extracting  the positives. </p>
<p>Oh well, maybe not everyone knows.<br />
Ok. Maybe it&#8217;s an excuse too.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119735</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Citizen, add American Greeting Cards to your BDS list just in time for the holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Citizen, add American Greeting Cards to your BDS list just in time for the holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119733</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing: Canada takes these new international war crimes laws seriously: the ones where any country on earth can try someone accused of them. This week they put a Rwandan war criminal in jail for life. Someone in Montreal saw this guy on the street two years ago and tipped off the cops. His two-year trial concluded this week. Badly for him.

That&#039;s what Israeli officials and leaders have to look forward to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing: Canada takes these new international war crimes laws seriously: the ones where any country on earth can try someone accused of them. This week they put a Rwandan war criminal in jail for life. Someone in Montreal saw this guy on the street two years ago and tipped off the cops. His two-year trial concluded this week. Badly for him.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Israeli officials and leaders have to look forward to.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119728</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, it most certainly &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; meet the standard for criminal prosecution: that&#039;s precisely what Goldstone wrote. That&#039;s why Israel is up in arms about it, and why the lackeys in Congress are wasting valuable time that should be spent on the economy and health care getting a law passed about it.

Goldstone wasn&#039;t writing this report for ISrael. He was writing it for the UN.

Goldstone wrote that he recommended that Israel and Hamas conduct their own thorough internal investigations within the next six months into who, specifically, committed war crimes, and if they did, as he said in the interview, that would be the end of it. Goldstone wrote that if they dont do it, the UN should prosecute them in The International Court of Justice for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. You can&#039;t get more criminal than that.

Goldstone gave Israel an out: do it yourselves. But the teeth of his report to the UN was that if Israel and Hamas fail to do it, what transpired warranted prosecution at the IJC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, it most certainly <i>did</i> meet the standard for criminal prosecution: that&#8217;s precisely what Goldstone wrote. That&#8217;s why Israel is up in arms about it, and why the lackeys in Congress are wasting valuable time that should be spent on the economy and health care getting a law passed about it.</p>
<p>Goldstone wasn&#8217;t writing this report for ISrael. He was writing it for the UN.</p>
<p>Goldstone wrote that he recommended that Israel and Hamas conduct their own thorough internal investigations within the next six months into who, specifically, committed war crimes, and if they did, as he said in the interview, that would be the end of it. Goldstone wrote that if they dont do it, the UN should prosecute them in The International Court of Justice for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. You can&#8217;t get more criminal than that.</p>
<p>Goldstone gave Israel an out: do it yourselves. But the teeth of his report to the UN was that if Israel and Hamas fail to do it, what transpired warranted prosecution at the IJC.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119714</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty: 
&quot;I think it is relevant to ask him (Jones-Obama) to proceed on that commitment, to put it into practice with an incremental (but observable) additional pressure and help.&quot;

And lose reelection like Bush I did? There&#039;s a reason why Bush II left Israel alone to its whims; he got his two terms. Additionally, I&#039;m sure Obama is schooled on
what happened to JFK, Johnson&#039;s operations, etc. 

RE: &quot;He [Jones at J-ST) stated that he regarded Israel/Palestine reconciliation as THE critical catalyst to positive change in relations in the world.&quot;

And so it is, and any real commitment will be evidenced by &quot;additional pressure .&quot;

Anyone see any pressure being applied beyond the stillborn rhetoric in the Cairo speech? 

I see nothing but Israel thumbing its nose at Obama, Mitchell and Hillary
&quot;it&#039;s not helpful&quot; Clinton. What&#039;s to be done? BDS is the only viable way 
to put meaningful pressure on both the USA regime and Israel--work outside
the corrupt system, outside the two peas in the pod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty:<br />
&#8220;I think it is relevant to ask him (Jones-Obama) to proceed on that commitment, to put it into practice with an incremental (but observable) additional pressure and help.&#8221;</p>
<p>And lose reelection like Bush I did? There&#8217;s a reason why Bush II left Israel alone to its whims; he got his two terms. Additionally, I&#8217;m sure Obama is schooled on<br />
what happened to JFK, Johnson&#8217;s operations, etc. </p>
<p>RE: &#8220;He [Jones at J-ST) stated that he regarded Israel/Palestine reconciliation as THE critical catalyst to positive change in relations in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so it is, and any real commitment will be evidenced by &#8220;additional pressure .&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone see any pressure being applied beyond the stillborn rhetoric in the Cairo speech? </p>
<p>I see nothing but Israel thumbing its nose at Obama, Mitchell and Hillary<br />
&#8220;it&#8217;s not helpful&#8221; Clinton. What&#8217;s to be done? BDS is the only viable way<br />
to put meaningful pressure on both the USA regime and Israel&#8211;work outside<br />
the corrupt system, outside the two peas in the pod.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Goldstone did say that the first course of action should be that the two sides (Israel and Hamas) investigate and prosecute internally. If they fail to do this, then he said that it should go on to international chttp://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html#commentsourts.

Goldstone has been subjected to some criticism because of this. Indeed, it&#039;s hard to imagine that either side would be interested in effectively investigating and prosecuting their own. I guess that&#039;s the procedure. Or else the whole thing was just a charade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Goldstone did say that the first course of action should be that the two sides (Israel and Hamas) investigate and prosecute internally. If they fail to do this, then he said that it should go on to international c<a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html#commentsourts.">link to mondoweiss.net</a></p>
<p>Goldstone has been subjected to some criticism because of this. Indeed, it&#8217;s hard to imagine that either side would be interested in effectively investigating and prosecuting their own. I guess that&#8217;s the procedure. Or else the whole thing was just a charade.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119674</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoffie you say?

More like  &lt;cite&gt;Mechu&#039;ar&lt;/cite&gt;

In the article below, note his arguments concerning all kinds of racist proposals and policies regarding Transfer and the like. &quot;You can convince......[blah blah blah]&quot;.

He&#039;s already got the whole thing worked out for every group between the Jordan river and the sea and he announces it with such authority and arrogance as if he has the right to even interfere in such matters. Who is this schmuck, and why can&#039;t he stay in the US and mind his own business?

Can you imagine a Christian from Australia telling Christian Americans in the south (Dixie) that they need and should secede from the north? 

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124690.html

As for the colonies, yes, they do need to be stopped and eventually they should either be given to the Palestinian refugees of 1948 as reparations, just as Israel has demanded from many European countries after the Holocaust, or they should be razed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoffie you say?</p>
<p>More like  <cite>Mechu&#8217;ar</cite></p>
<p>In the article below, note his arguments concerning all kinds of racist proposals and policies regarding Transfer and the like. &#8220;You can convince&#8230;&#8230;[blah blah blah]&#8220;.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s already got the whole thing worked out for every group between the Jordan river and the sea and he announces it with such authority and arrogance as if he has the right to even interfere in such matters. Who is this schmuck, and why can&#8217;t he stay in the US and mind his own business?</p>
<p>Can you imagine a Christian from Australia telling Christian Americans in the south (Dixie) that they need and should secede from the north? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124690.html">link to haaretz.com</a></p>
<p>As for the colonies, yes, they do need to be stopped and eventually they should either be given to the Palestinian refugees of 1948 as reparations, just as Israel has demanded from many European countries after the Holocaust, or they should be razed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119669</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, I continue to be amazed that the Israelis are positively &lt;i&gt;blameless&lt;/i&gt; in your eyes. Hamas wins elections... it&#039;s the Palestinians&#039; fault! Likud wins elections... it&#039;s the Palestinians&#039; fault!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I continue to be amazed that the Israelis are positively <i>blameless</i> in your eyes. Hamas wins elections&#8230; it&#8217;s the Palestinians&#8217; fault! Likud wins elections&#8230; it&#8217;s the Palestinians&#8217; fault!</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/who-booed-yoffie.html/comment-page-1#comment-119668</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt;, Witty. Obama&#039;s just like you -- a phony. He took a vocal stand against the settlements and then did absolutely &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; about stopping Israel.

So yeah. Just like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you <i>would</i>, Witty. Obama&#8217;s just like you &#8212; a phony. He took a vocal stand against the settlements and then did absolutely <i>nothing</i> about stopping Israel.</p>
<p>So yeah. Just like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,
I have an entirely different view of Obama&#039;s performance and behavior.

I believe that he is primarily a mediator, and hopes to conclude 60%+ of executive responsibility (legislation - health and energy, foreign policy) on the basis of consensus building of a diverse team of perspectives.

That consensus on Israel is to persuade Israel and Palestine that peace based on mutually healthy neighbors is the best outcome and approach. His approach is principled, more than incidentally effective beyond just appearance, and will reach decision points at some time soon.

Did you see Jim Jones&#039; comments at J Street? He stated that he regarded Israel/Palestine reconciliation as THE critical catalyst to positive change in relations in the world. 

I think it is relevant to ask him to proceed on that commitment, to put it into practice with an incremental (but observable) additional pressure and help.

In some ways, the announcement of Palestinian elections in January, slow things, as they add the again element of unknown. And, at the same time, they dare Netanyahu to act to functionally elect Hamas, like Sharon did.

And, like Hamas elected likud by resuming shelling Israel weeks before the Israeli election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
I have an entirely different view of Obama&#8217;s performance and behavior.</p>
<p>I believe that he is primarily a mediator, and hopes to conclude 60%+ of executive responsibility (legislation &#8211; health and energy, foreign policy) on the basis of consensus building of a diverse team of perspectives.</p>
<p>That consensus on Israel is to persuade Israel and Palestine that peace based on mutually healthy neighbors is the best outcome and approach. His approach is principled, more than incidentally effective beyond just appearance, and will reach decision points at some time soon.</p>
<p>Did you see Jim Jones&#8217; comments at J Street? He stated that he regarded Israel/Palestine reconciliation as THE critical catalyst to positive change in relations in the world. </p>
<p>I think it is relevant to ask him to proceed on that commitment, to put it into practice with an incremental (but observable) additional pressure and help.</p>
<p>In some ways, the announcement of Palestinian elections in January, slow things, as they add the again element of unknown. And, at the same time, they dare Netanyahu to act to functionally elect Hamas, like Sharon did.</p>
<p>And, like Hamas elected likud by resuming shelling Israel weeks before the Israeli election.</p>
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