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From AnomalousNYC’s photostream of My Israel, four photos from New York. Anomalous has since left the city and reflects: "Such a great concept, unfortunately I never had a car so it was very tricky to run all over the city to collect them all."

Posted in Israel/Palestine

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  1. Citizen says:
    November 11, 2009 at 10:49 am

    The History Channel recently had an hour devoted to how Rome’s defeat of the
    women and kids, and the Jewish assassin cult up on Masada was actually achieved
    in 3 weeks, not 3 years; the show supported its conclusion by archeology, structural engineering, knowledge of Roman prowess in that area, and what the Romans were actually doing in Judea for that 3 year period–mopping up. I’m sure the program will repeated. It also showed how the televised burial of alleged Jewish warriors-suicide heroes back in the later 1960s involved the actual burial of dead non-Jews. What the hey,
    the Nazi program for establishing their myths via archeology was a failure also.

    • potsherd says:
      November 11, 2009 at 12:04 pm

      Another example of Israeli idolatry – the worship of dead terrorists.

    • Taxi says:
      November 11, 2009 at 2:01 pm

      Actually the myth of Masada was debunked soon as they dug up some pig bones.
      link to archaeology.org

      Here’s another fun Masada link:
      link to jaygary.com

      But really, the only interesting thing about it all is whether the feeble Israeli psyche is so entrenched in the fantastical Masada myth that they would now be willing to commit mass-suicide in real-time in order to avoid submission to a greater force – in today’s case this would be the Palestinian demographic.

      Ahhhhhhh sweet soft silk of martydom.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:18 pm

        Hold on a second — am I reading that first article right? The Israeli government, in its zeal to perpetuate its mythology, pushed forward an Israeli state funeral for (among others, obviously)… pig bones?

        I’m hard pressed to imagine any of us in the peanut gallery here can come up with a joke funnier than the Israelis themselves have written, huh.

      • Citizen says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:27 pm

        Chaos, it’s two distinct threads, among many others researched historically and by archeology and engineering, that lead to the conclusion Masada is a myth. Why would pig bones be found at the exact site the Jewish martyrs died? And why were the human skeletal remains found along with them there not a good match for the frames of Jews in the area in those days, but a closer match to the frames of non-Jews? Those are just two of the findings, inter alia.

    • Chaos4700 says:
      November 11, 2009 at 12:21 pm

      How come it’s honorable when Jews do it (well, only Zionist Jews really) but whenever anyone else does it, it’s terrorism? I take it, Yonira, you subscribe to the teachings of this rabbi?

      • yonira says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:14 pm

        that rabbi, like most of the tool boxes in the west bank are slime. the settler movement as a whole is a disgrace and it needs to be reigned in on. all settlements minus major settlement blocs need to be dismantled. once the PA declares their state Israel needs to either give them equal amount of land or pay the PA and all of those who were affected by the failed settler movement.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:20 pm

        What makes the settlers different, fundamentally, from the Israelis themselves? The whole of Israel is made up of settlements founded (and funded) by European Zionists.

      • yonira says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:33 pm

        We are all pretty much settlers, sure people got screwed, the Palestinians in the ME, the Native Americans in America, the bulk of Africans in Africa, but we really can’t change that. What we can do is come up with a solution right now, or as soon as possible, and end the suffering the Palestinians endure. I believe the best way and more importantly the quickest way to accomplish this is w/ what I prescribed above.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        November 11, 2009 at 2:58 pm

        Oh yes we can change that. We can change that right now. That’s what you’re afraid of, isn’t it? True equality?

      • yonira says:
        November 11, 2009 at 4:10 pm

        Chaos,

        I have seen Muslim countries rioting over a fucking cartoon. I am sure you were all up in arms over the pictures weren’t you?

        The pig bone thing is such a joke. Archeologists have discovered human remains and dinosaur remains in the same area, does that mean dinosaurs and man walked the earth together?

        I am sure that shit you guys read went on the explain that Masada prior to the Jewish revolt(if it even happened) was home to King Herod who didn’t follow any laws of kashrut. Once you convince me that dinosaurs and man walked on the earth together, i might believe that shit, but until then the pig thing is irrelevant.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        November 11, 2009 at 5:06 pm

        Are you comparing Zionist beliefs to creationist ones now? How very apt, yonira, sometimes you impress me with your inadvertent astuteness.

      • James Bradley says:
        November 12, 2009 at 2:14 am

        Wtf does Muslims in a FEW countries rioting over cartoons (most Muslims peacefully demonstrated) mocking their entire religion have to do with Israeli settlers ethnically cleansing the people of Palestine?

    • Citizen says:
      November 11, 2009 at 2:16 pm

      Perhaps Taxi makes the point better than I when he states the myth of Masada was debunked when they dug up pig bones at the site of the alleged heroic suicide heroes, along with the gentile skeleton remains there–the pig bones were also part of that
      History channel expose. Myths are dangerous.

  3. Citizen says:
    November 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Well, let’s see, yonira makes the point that at some time in the near or distant past all people were settlers (on land where there were some prior people living). OTH, unless nothing significant happened at the Nuremberg Trials, and we ignore the Geneva conventions etc, and the scores of years chasing down old Nazis suspects, the hasabara point Mooser knows (the whole world sucks) really doesn’t get us to an astute POV of what should happen now. It’s a real question of whether any humane progression is simply a mirage; maybe it is just as Goering said, a matter of power. The Queen is dead, long live the queen. Is it never again universally, or never again impacting the Jews?
    Isn’t this the real question? Obama is now fussing about Afghanistan, a place that is
    moved by tribal politics. The USA itself is having this tension, disguised as ID politics.
    Either the proposition that all men are created with an equal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a political version of the golden rule here on earth, or it is
    just a feint for the gullible; which is it? In the deed is the creed. I don’t really see the conventional antagonists on any side coming out very well. I do see a small elite around the world sucking up most of the world’s resources.

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