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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s happening, albeit slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s happening, albeit slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second If Americans Knew. Alison Weir and company do excellent work. The presentation is especially appealing: it&#039;s professional and straightforward. They don&#039;t mince words, and they don&#039;t fool around with emotional appeals. Just the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second If Americans Knew. Alison Weir and company do excellent work. The presentation is especially appealing: it&#8217;s professional and straightforward. They don&#8217;t mince words, and they don&#8217;t fool around with emotional appeals. Just the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Today the tension between the foreign policy establishment and the Israel lobby, with no significant deviation by J Street, tilts toward the side of the Israeli lobby’s effort to preserve the status quo.  &quot; (Warner)

The &quot;foreign policy establishment&quot; that Warner apparently has in mind is the &quot;realist&quot; school, typified by conservatives like Scowcroft, James Baker, Brzezinski, Andrew Bacevich, Mearsheimer and Walt. But the segment of the foreign policy establishment with the greatest influence over the last eight years has been the neoconservatives, exemplified by Zionists such as Robert Kagan, Fred Kagan, Elliot Cohen, and Elliott Abrams. These neocon foreign policy specialists have been an integral part of the Zionist Power Structure. They help give the Israel Lobby a veneer of intellectual respectability.

If a non-ethnic, non-Zionist lobby advocating for US national interests in Middle Eastern policy, independent of the disastrous &quot;special relationship&quot; with Israel, is ever to become a reality, it will require substantial leadership from the non-Zionist foreign policy establishment. Having large numbers of respected foreign policy experts speak out in the media for Palestinian rights and against Israeli policies will be an essential element in creating a broad-based lobby to combat political Zionism in America.

What will it take to turn a major portion of the American foreign policy establishment overtly against Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Today the tension between the foreign policy establishment and the Israel lobby, with no significant deviation by J Street, tilts toward the side of the Israeli lobby’s effort to preserve the status quo.  &#8221; (Warner)</p>
<p>The &#8220;foreign policy establishment&#8221; that Warner apparently has in mind is the &#8220;realist&#8221; school, typified by conservatives like Scowcroft, James Baker, Brzezinski, Andrew Bacevich, Mearsheimer and Walt. But the segment of the foreign policy establishment with the greatest influence over the last eight years has been the neoconservatives, exemplified by Zionists such as Robert Kagan, Fred Kagan, Elliot Cohen, and Elliott Abrams. These neocon foreign policy specialists have been an integral part of the Zionist Power Structure. They help give the Israel Lobby a veneer of intellectual respectability.</p>
<p>If a non-ethnic, non-Zionist lobby advocating for US national interests in Middle Eastern policy, independent of the disastrous &#8220;special relationship&#8221; with Israel, is ever to become a reality, it will require substantial leadership from the non-Zionist foreign policy establishment. Having large numbers of respected foreign policy experts speak out in the media for Palestinian rights and against Israeli policies will be an essential element in creating a broad-based lobby to combat political Zionism in America.</p>
<p>What will it take to turn a major portion of the American foreign policy establishment overtly against Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: America First</title>
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		<dc:creator>America First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting essay that deals with two somewhat different issues.  First, J Street, AIPAC, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Jewish Bundists...nothing new here. 

That aside, here we&#039;re back to the diffreence between establishment individuals and a cohesive group that dominates it:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; Today the tension between the foreign policy establishment and the Israel lobby, with no significant deviation by J Street, tilts toward the side of the Israeli lobby’s effort to preserve the status quo.  But eventually the “price” of unconditional support for Israel will become too great, and there will be a change in American policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

The only way that changes IMO is when you remove the quotes from price.  Then we&#039;ll have two groups with conflicting interests, and lots of policies will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting essay that deals with two somewhat different issues.  First, J Street, AIPAC, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Jewish Bundists&#8230;nothing new here. </p>
<p>That aside, here we&#8217;re back to the diffreence between establishment individuals and a cohesive group that dominates it:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p> Today the tension between the foreign policy establishment and the Israel lobby, with no significant deviation by J Street, tilts toward the side of the Israeli lobby’s effort to preserve the status quo.  But eventually the “price” of unconditional support for Israel will become too great, and there will be a change in American policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>The only way that changes IMO is when you remove the quotes from price.  Then we&#8217;ll have two groups with conflicting interests, and lots of policies will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J street, much like other US organizations promoting the two state solution is irrelevant at this point. I say this because the two state solution or the end of the occupation which they promote is a non-starter at this point. 

If Israeli forces suddenly evacuated the West Bank and withdrew to the Green Line this week, the two state solution might have a chance. 

In 10 years time (perhaps sooner) Israel will be teetering between committing mass genocide against the Palestinians and the end of an exclusively Jewish state. 

Barring a game-changer, a regional war involving several actors, the one state solution is inevitable at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J street, much like other US organizations promoting the two state solution is irrelevant at this point. I say this because the two state solution or the end of the occupation which they promote is a non-starter at this point. </p>
<p>If Israeli forces suddenly evacuated the West Bank and withdrew to the Green Line this week, the two state solution might have a chance. </p>
<p>In 10 years time (perhaps sooner) Israel will be teetering between committing mass genocide against the Palestinians and the end of an exclusively Jewish state. </p>
<p>Barring a game-changer, a regional war involving several actors, the one state solution is inevitable at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;J Street is here to stay.  But I am not optimistic that it will enable a significant breakthrough towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.&quot;

Aipac light as far as I can see.  Heard Netta and Maya  (young Refuseniks)speak in D.C.  They did not think J street was so great.  A diversion of sorts is how they described what they have seen and heard about the group.

Here is what Code Pink is doing tomorrow in D.C.

http://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=5150

November 2, 2009

Dear [[supporter.First_Name]],

Judge Richard Goldstone, a highly respected jurist from South Africa whose credentials are impeccable and who is a self-declared Zionist, lead a U.N. fact-finding mission to Gaza in April to investigate what had happened there during &quot;Operation Cast Lead.&quot; The 575-page report Goldstone Report that resulted from his investigations, accusing both Israel and Hamas of war crimes violations, was immediately attacked by the Israeli government as biased and unfair.

Last week in a political move of the most cynical kind, Representatives Berman (D-CA) and Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), leadership of the U.S. House Foreign Relations Committee, introduced H Res 867, a bill that reads as though it were drafted by AIPAC, which it might well have been. H Res 867 is calling on the President and the Secretary of State to oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration of the &quot;Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict&quot; in multilateral fora.

Call your Members of Congress TODAY at 202-224-3121 and tell them to vote NO on this flawed legislation. If they have already co-sponsored the bill (check here) and tell them to withdraw their support. You can also email your Representative directly here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;J Street is here to stay.  But I am not optimistic that it will enable a significant breakthrough towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aipac light as far as I can see.  Heard Netta and Maya  (young Refuseniks)speak in D.C.  They did not think J street was so great.  A diversion of sorts is how they described what they have seen and heard about the group.</p>
<p>Here is what Code Pink is doing tomorrow in D.C.</p>
<p><a href="http://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=5150">link to codepinkalert.org</a></p>
<p>November 2, 2009</p>
<p>Dear [[supporter.First_Name]],</p>
<p>Judge Richard Goldstone, a highly respected jurist from South Africa whose credentials are impeccable and who is a self-declared Zionist, lead a U.N. fact-finding mission to Gaza in April to investigate what had happened there during &#8220;Operation Cast Lead.&#8221; The 575-page report Goldstone Report that resulted from his investigations, accusing both Israel and Hamas of war crimes violations, was immediately attacked by the Israeli government as biased and unfair.</p>
<p>Last week in a political move of the most cynical kind, Representatives Berman (D-CA) and Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), leadership of the U.S. House Foreign Relations Committee, introduced H Res 867, a bill that reads as though it were drafted by AIPAC, which it might well have been. H Res 867 is calling on the President and the Secretary of State to oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration of the &#8220;Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict&#8221; in multilateral fora.</p>
<p>Call your Members of Congress TODAY at 202-224-3121 and tell them to vote NO on this flawed legislation. If they have already co-sponsored the bill (check here) and tell them to withdraw their support. You can also email your Representative directly here!</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree with you there. It&#039;s one of the most well-done anti-occupation sites out there. I&#039;m also a big support of the US Campaign to End the Occupation. They&#039;re organizing some very practical, effective strategies for getting information out and mobilizing people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you there. It&#8217;s one of the most well-done anti-occupation sites out there. I&#8217;m also a big support of the US Campaign to End the Occupation. They&#8217;re organizing some very practical, effective strategies for getting information out and mobilizing people.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m trying to decide now.

Leaning towards If Americans Knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to decide now.</p>
<p>Leaning towards If Americans Knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;... Israeli leadership still seems to be working for a greater Israel that includes much of the West Bank. &lt;/i&gt;

There is no partner for peace on the Israeli side. They will have to be FORCED, and how likely is that?

&lt;i&gt;I hope [the United States finally becoming a truly “honest broker”] does not come too late for a two-state solution. &lt;/i&gt;

It is already too late. Anyone who thinks otherwise should look at a map of Israeli colonies in the West Bank to dispel that illusion. The Israeli government can&#039;t or won&#039;t even properly reign in their colonists who kill and terrorize Palestinians. There is absolutely no way they are going to go in and root them out of their colonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230; Israeli leadership still seems to be working for a greater Israel that includes much of the West Bank. </i></p>
<p>There is no partner for peace on the Israeli side. They will have to be FORCED, and how likely is that?</p>
<p><i>I hope [the United States finally becoming a truly “honest broker”] does not come too late for a two-state solution. </i></p>
<p>It is already too late. Anyone who thinks otherwise should look at a map of Israeli colonies in the West Bank to dispel that illusion. The Israeli government can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t even properly reign in their colonists who kill and terrorize Palestinians. There is absolutely no way they are going to go in and root them out of their colonies.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to get behind BDS and cutting off foreign aid to Israel. J-St is no better than AIPAC in this most important respect. 
What&#039;s the best organization to join, and financially support?

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2009/10/is-it-time-to-bring-bds-to-american.html?zx=5899fe8cdde2339a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to get behind BDS and cutting off foreign aid to Israel. J-St is no better than AIPAC in this most important respect.<br />
What&#8217;s the best organization to join, and financially support?</p>
<p><a href="http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2009/10/is-it-time-to-bring-bds-to-american.html?zx=5899fe8cdde2339a">link to homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com</a></p>
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