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		<title>By: ABUNIMAH: There is a tremendous struggle to be waged, to force Israeli introspection, and change</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABUNIMAH: There is a tremendous struggle to be waged, to force Israeli introspection, and change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The canard that the Palestinians started out with “peaceful” rock throwing is up there with Palin’s “I can see Russia from my house”.

&quot;Airplane hijacking? Check.&quot;
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.

&quot;Massacring children on a bus? Check.&quot;
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.

Oh wait, that was less than the number of civlians Israle killed in Jenin and Israeli propagandists keep insisting that wasn&#039;t a massacre.

&quot;Massacring civilians at an airport? Check.&quot;
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.

Also less then those killed at Jenin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The canard that the Palestinians started out with “peaceful” rock throwing is up there with Palin’s “I can see Russia from my house”.</p>
<p>&#8220;Airplane hijacking? Check.&#8221;<br />
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.</p>
<p>&#8220;Massacring children on a bus? Check.&#8221;<br />
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.</p>
<p>Oh wait, that was less than the number of civlians Israle killed in Jenin and Israeli propagandists keep insisting that wasn&#8217;t a massacre.</p>
<p>&#8220;Massacring civilians at an airport? Check.&#8221;<br />
After Israel stole their land and massacred Palestinians?  Check.</p>
<p>Also less then those killed at Jenin.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoram,

Like I suggested earlier, you won&#039;t find any benefit to spreading the usual Israeli lies here, but predictably that hasn&#039;t stoppped you from trying.

Yes, Israel has been a a disaster for all concerned, and that&#039;&#039;s a fact.   Zionism itself is a rascist belief that endireses the notion of ethnic superiotity and excusivity, which it&#039;self is an anathema to democracy, justice and human rights.

Life expectancy is due to Isral&#039;s socialized universal medical insurance system  amd hopsitals, which is only made possible becasue Isral received the world&#039;s biggest welfare chaques from the US.

The Hebrew culture could have taken place anywhere and in spite of Israel&#039;s exitence, though there is nothing partiicualrly remarkable or unequaled about how it has trasnpired  in Israel.  Even if that were true, it benefits Israelis, not the world.

Israel&#039;s claims to it&#039;s advances in Desert Agriculture are hyped and could have taken place in spite fo Israel.  To whom does Israel export it&#039;s Desert Agricultur and wjho is benefitting?

Forestry is a pathetic claim.  Palestine was hardly a rain forrest at the beginning of the 20th century, so tha&#039;t hardly anything to boast about.

I suspect that the reason you didn&#039;t bother to  listthe extensive contributions is becasue you simply couldn&#039;t think  of anythign that wasn&#039;t pathetic and lame, judging by the exmapes you did site.

As for scienece,  it turns ou that Israel&#039;s calims were all based on the efforts of foreing countries and multinational companies.  I was lmost expcting you to citge the lie that Israel invented Microsoft windows and the mobile phone.  The sad fact is that Israel&#039;s skilled workers are leaving permanently to work overseas.

So you offer diverse language educsation?  Big deal, so does  most of the civlized world.

One reason why the mortality rate was lower when Israel controlled the Gaza strip, was becasue there was no blockade and you weren&#039;t massaring cvilians.  Not bombing Gaza last December woudl have saved 1,400 lives.

The Arabs in the West Bank enjoy the clean running water that Israle has tolen and taken from them.
It&#039;s not surprising that you were not challenging me to to live in the Muslim world 70 years ago, becvasue that was before Isrle came along and made the place into a bastket case.

Isrsarel is itslef becomming much less tolerant for different ideas about Judaism with the Isrlei government now runnig adds warnign against the dangers and sins of mixed marriages.

Saudi Arabia is disfunctional socieity, but they never claimed to be a light unto the workd, much less a democracy.

As for the enthic cleasing that took place in 1948, Israle drove 750,00 Palestinian from their land.  Liek I said, your lies won&#039;t wash here.  The Jewsish pooilation was but a tiny fraction, and were talking a few thousand at th most compared to nealy a million Palestinians that were enthncially cleansed by Israel.

As for the Jews that left the Arab states, well, regretable indeed, but it was AFTER Israel drove 750, Palestinians off their land and continue to do so to this day.

Why wouldn&#039;t Palestinians prefer treatment in Israeli hospitals?  Isralei hospotals aresn&#039;t subkected to blockades, which deny them basic mediciines or at riosk of being flattened by Israeli bombs.

&quot;It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash. &quot;

There are polls that say otherwise.  For exmple, in east Jerusalem, they largely reject it.

You see, your list of lies turned to be longer than Israel&#039;slist of achievements and gifts to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoram,</p>
<p>Like I suggested earlier, you won&#8217;t find any benefit to spreading the usual Israeli lies here, but predictably that hasn&#8217;t stoppped you from trying.</p>
<p>Yes, Israel has been a a disaster for all concerned, and that&#8221;s a fact.   Zionism itself is a rascist belief that endireses the notion of ethnic superiotity and excusivity, which it&#8217;self is an anathema to democracy, justice and human rights.</p>
<p>Life expectancy is due to Isral&#8217;s socialized universal medical insurance system  amd hopsitals, which is only made possible becasue Isral received the world&#8217;s biggest welfare chaques from the US.</p>
<p>The Hebrew culture could have taken place anywhere and in spite of Israel&#8217;s exitence, though there is nothing partiicualrly remarkable or unequaled about how it has trasnpired  in Israel.  Even if that were true, it benefits Israelis, not the world.</p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s claims to it&#8217;s advances in Desert Agriculture are hyped and could have taken place in spite fo Israel.  To whom does Israel export it&#8217;s Desert Agricultur and wjho is benefitting?</p>
<p>Forestry is a pathetic claim.  Palestine was hardly a rain forrest at the beginning of the 20th century, so tha&#8217;t hardly anything to boast about.</p>
<p>I suspect that the reason you didn&#8217;t bother to  listthe extensive contributions is becasue you simply couldn&#8217;t think  of anythign that wasn&#8217;t pathetic and lame, judging by the exmapes you did site.</p>
<p>As for scienece,  it turns ou that Israel&#8217;s calims were all based on the efforts of foreing countries and multinational companies.  I was lmost expcting you to citge the lie that Israel invented Microsoft windows and the mobile phone.  The sad fact is that Israel&#8217;s skilled workers are leaving permanently to work overseas.</p>
<p>So you offer diverse language educsation?  Big deal, so does  most of the civlized world.</p>
<p>One reason why the mortality rate was lower when Israel controlled the Gaza strip, was becasue there was no blockade and you weren&#8217;t massaring cvilians.  Not bombing Gaza last December woudl have saved 1,400 lives.</p>
<p>The Arabs in the West Bank enjoy the clean running water that Israle has tolen and taken from them.<br />
It&#8217;s not surprising that you were not challenging me to to live in the Muslim world 70 years ago, becvasue that was before Isrle came along and made the place into a bastket case.</p>
<p>Isrsarel is itslef becomming much less tolerant for different ideas about Judaism with the Isrlei government now runnig adds warnign against the dangers and sins of mixed marriages.</p>
<p>Saudi Arabia is disfunctional socieity, but they never claimed to be a light unto the workd, much less a democracy.</p>
<p>As for the enthic cleasing that took place in 1948, Israle drove 750,00 Palestinian from their land.  Liek I said, your lies won&#8217;t wash here.  The Jewsish pooilation was but a tiny fraction, and were talking a few thousand at th most compared to nealy a million Palestinians that were enthncially cleansed by Israel.</p>
<p>As for the Jews that left the Arab states, well, regretable indeed, but it was AFTER Israel drove 750, Palestinians off their land and continue to do so to this day.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t Palestinians prefer treatment in Israeli hospitals?  Isralei hospotals aresn&#8217;t subkected to blockades, which deny them basic mediciines or at riosk of being flattened by Israeli bombs.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash. &#8221;</p>
<p>There are polls that say otherwise.  For exmple, in east Jerusalem, they largely reject it.</p>
<p>You see, your list of lies turned to be longer than Israel&#8217;slist of achievements and gifts to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoram:  &quot;It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash. &quot;

In that case, why doesn&#039;t Israel give it to them?  They&#039;ve annexed the land, why not welcome the people with it?

All the great wonderfulness that Yorman cites about Israel was only made possible by acts of masssive theft and expropriation of both the refugees and the minority grudgingly allowed to remain in the Israeli state on a fraction of their land.   But Israel is selfish.  Israel refuses to share its blessings with the people it has stolen from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoram:  &#8220;It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash. &#8221;</p>
<p>In that case, why doesn&#8217;t Israel give it to them?  They&#8217;ve annexed the land, why not welcome the people with it?</p>
<p>All the great wonderfulness that Yorman cites about Israel was only made possible by acts of masssive theft and expropriation of both the refugees and the minority grudgingly allowed to remain in the Israeli state on a fraction of their land.   But Israel is selfish.  Israel refuses to share its blessings with the people it has stolen from.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, the trees.  The  new forests, the trees bought from the contributions of Jewish children in the Disaspora, all unaware that they were being planted to cover up the remains of Arab villages and prevent their inhabitants - those Israeli citizens you treat so very well, otherwise known as &quot;internal refugees - from returning to their homes.

And when you are looking across the Jordan River, be sure to hold your nose, since it is now no more than a ditch for Israeli sewage, all the water having been diverted to grow oranges in the desert.  Or haven&#039;t you heard about the Israeli water crisis, the drought tax, the horrendous wastefulness of the Israeli water distribution system and the corruption that allows farmers to squander all the water they please, subsidized by the rest of the population?   And on your way to the river, you  might notice the villages and farms of the Palestinians in the West Bank, whose only water supply comes from tankers purchased from Israeli suppliers at exorbitant costs because they are forbidden to drill wells in their own country so the entire aquifer can be reserved for the use of Jews.

There is nothing so sad as a person who believes their own propaganda.

There is nothing so disgusting as a country who claims to be benefitting the world, when it is only benefitting its own kind at the expense of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, the trees.  The  new forests, the trees bought from the contributions of Jewish children in the Disaspora, all unaware that they were being planted to cover up the remains of Arab villages and prevent their inhabitants &#8211; those Israeli citizens you treat so very well, otherwise known as &#8220;internal refugees &#8211; from returning to their homes.</p>
<p>And when you are looking across the Jordan River, be sure to hold your nose, since it is now no more than a ditch for Israeli sewage, all the water having been diverted to grow oranges in the desert.  Or haven&#8217;t you heard about the Israeli water crisis, the drought tax, the horrendous wastefulness of the Israeli water distribution system and the corruption that allows farmers to squander all the water they please, subsidized by the rest of the population?   And on your way to the river, you  might notice the villages and farms of the Palestinians in the West Bank, whose only water supply comes from tankers purchased from Israeli suppliers at exorbitant costs because they are forbidden to drill wells in their own country so the entire aquifer can be reserved for the use of Jews.</p>
<p>There is nothing so sad as a person who believes their own propaganda.</p>
<p>There is nothing so disgusting as a country who claims to be benefitting the world, when it is only benefitting its own kind at the expense of others.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoram - your argument for the continued existence of a purely Jewish state (which Israel has never been) rests on a vast falsehood - &quot;that has contributed so much to human welfare in the past sixty years?&quot;  Israel&#039;s contribution to the world in the pasta sixty years has been one of war, repression, torture, intolerance, racism, hate and corruption.  It has contributed to making the world a worse, not a better place.

On such grounds as you present, Israel can only be condemned.   The Jews of Israel should consider themselves lucky to be able to continue as citizens of a binational state in the land they stole from others, to whom they were not so kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoram &#8211; your argument for the continued existence of a purely Jewish state (which Israel has never been) rests on a vast falsehood &#8211; &#8220;that has contributed so much to human welfare in the past sixty years?&#8221;  Israel&#8217;s contribution to the world in the pasta sixty years has been one of war, repression, torture, intolerance, racism, hate and corruption.  It has contributed to making the world a worse, not a better place.</p>
<p>On such grounds as you present, Israel can only be condemned.   The Jews of Israel should consider themselves lucky to be able to continue as citizens of a binational state in the land they stole from others, to whom they were not so kind.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an argument in defense of your own racism. It has nothing to do with the proposal for a single democratic state in Palestine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an argument in defense of your own racism. It has nothing to do with the proposal for a single democratic state in Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives&#039; need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another&#039;s profit,
And work another&#039;s gain.

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
&quot;Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?&quot;

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man&#039;s burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

~Rudyard Kipling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
Send forth the best ye breed&#8211;<br />
Go bind your sons to exile<br />
To serve your captives&#8217; need;<br />
To wait in heavy harness,<br />
On fluttered folk and wild&#8211;<br />
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,<br />
Half-devil and half-child.</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
In patience to abide,<br />
To veil the threat of terror<br />
And check the show of pride;<br />
By open speech and simple,<br />
An hundred times made plain<br />
To seek another&#8217;s profit,<br />
And work another&#8217;s gain.</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
The savage wars of peace&#8211;<br />
Fill full the mouth of Famine<br />
And bid the sickness cease;<br />
And when your goal is nearest<br />
The end for others sought,<br />
Watch sloth and heathen Folly<br />
Bring all your hopes to nought.</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
No tawdry rule of kings,<br />
But toil of serf and sweeper&#8211;<br />
The tale of common things.<br />
The ports ye shall not enter,<br />
The roads ye shall not tread,<br />
Go mark them with your living,<br />
And mark them with your dead.</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
And reap his old reward:<br />
The blame of those ye better,<br />
The hate of those ye guard&#8211;<br />
The cry of hosts ye humour<br />
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:&#8211;<br />
&#8220;Why brought he us from bondage,<br />
Our loved Egyptian night?&#8221;</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
Ye dare not stoop to less&#8211;<br />
Nor call too loud on Freedom<br />
To cloke your weariness;<br />
By all ye cry or whisper,<br />
By all ye leave or do,<br />
The silent, sullen peoples<br />
Shall weigh your gods and you.</p>
<p>Take up the White Man&#8217;s burden&#8211;<br />
Have done with childish days&#8211;<br />
The lightly proferred laurel,<br />
The easy, ungrudged praise.<br />
Comes now, to search your manhood<br />
Through all the thankless years<br />
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,<br />
The judgment of your peers!</p>
<p>~Rudyard Kipling</p>
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		<title>By: yoram</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What grown on a tree, at least on this site, seems to be just plain ignorance…the statement that Israel has ”  has been a disaster for all concerned” could only be explained by  willful ignorance combined with a strong dose of generic and very PC anti-Zionism.
The Arab, Druze, Bedouin and Ba&#039;hai citizens of Israel, Muslim &amp; Christian alike have the highest life expectancy of any Arabs in the Middle East, that’s how bad its been for them.  But the real lives of Arabs may not concern you, so long as you can dump on Israel. 
I am sure you are not impressed, but the flowering of Hebrew culture, which along with Chinese is one of the oldest expressions of human creativity,  here has been remarkable and unequaled anywhere in the Diaspora. 
Our contributions to humanity, include advances in Desert Agriculture being used all over the world where they benefit many people.  And this should especially interest you, tree &gt;Forestry; did you know that Israel is the only country in the world in which there were more trees at the end of the 20th century than at the beginning? The list of contributions is just too extensive to add here. If you know about science this is all in no small part due to the synergy of the collection of people who choose to live and work here from all over the world. The Russian with the Ethiopians, the Americans and Moroccans with Iranians.  
As for “our” Arabs, their literacy rate is often in three languages, Arabic, Hebrew &amp; English. They, like all other Israeli citizens are covered by our universal medical insurance system including admit ion to our fine hospitals. Where they also serve as physicians including in Afula Hospital the head of the Emergency Room, and heads of other department in the Jerusalem Hadassah Hospital. 
During the period when Israel controlled the Gaza strip my friend Dr. Eli Lash was Chief Medical officer for the strip for twenty years, lowered the infant mortality rate by one third.
The Arabs in the West Bank enjoy one of the highest rates of availability electricity and clean running water of Arabs anywhere in the Middle East. BTW This was hardly the situation when Israel took control.
Arab Israelis are take advantage of eligibility to enter and graduate from our universities. They have more freedom of expression than anywhere else in the Arab world,  as well as the freedom to read, write and publish what ever they want. 
…and Shingo I was not challenging you to live in the ancient Muslim world, not even the one of 70 years ago, when the Middle Ease was again a rich cosmopolitan area of the world. But NOW, which is what I thought we were discussing. We all know that a thousand years ago a person who did not read and speak Arabic was ignorant of the culture of the world. Even you must know, having nothing to do with Israel or Jews, that things have changed. There is not even much tolerance for different ideas about Islam much less tolerance for other religions. In Saudi Arabia if no one is looking, they still behead people who preach Christianity.
For the record the only successful ethnic cleansing in this area was by the local Arabs in 1929, and again in 1948. You know, while tens of thousands of Arabs remained in the areas conquered by the Israeli army, in 1948 not one, ONE Jew remained in those conquered by the Arab armies.
All you need to do is travel the Jordan Valley and look (to the east) across into Jordan and see the replication of Israeli farming methods to know the blessing we have been.
And these is a reason that any Arab who can make the connections prefer treatment in Israeli hospitals.
In a survey conducted a few years by a Ramala survey company the country most admired by West Bank Arabs was….Israel.
It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What grown on a tree, at least on this site, seems to be just plain ignorance…the statement that Israel has ”  has been a disaster for all concerned” could only be explained by  willful ignorance combined with a strong dose of generic and very PC anti-Zionism.<br />
The Arab, Druze, Bedouin and Ba&#8217;hai citizens of Israel, Muslim &amp; Christian alike have the highest life expectancy of any Arabs in the Middle East, that’s how bad its been for them.  But the real lives of Arabs may not concern you, so long as you can dump on Israel.<br />
I am sure you are not impressed, but the flowering of Hebrew culture, which along with Chinese is one of the oldest expressions of human creativity,  here has been remarkable and unequaled anywhere in the Diaspora.<br />
Our contributions to humanity, include advances in Desert Agriculture being used all over the world where they benefit many people.  And this should especially interest you, tree &gt;Forestry; did you know that Israel is the only country in the world in which there were more trees at the end of the 20th century than at the beginning? The list of contributions is just too extensive to add here. If you know about science this is all in no small part due to the synergy of the collection of people who choose to live and work here from all over the world. The Russian with the Ethiopians, the Americans and Moroccans with Iranians.<br />
As for “our” Arabs, their literacy rate is often in three languages, Arabic, Hebrew &amp; English. They, like all other Israeli citizens are covered by our universal medical insurance system including admit ion to our fine hospitals. Where they also serve as physicians including in Afula Hospital the head of the Emergency Room, and heads of other department in the Jerusalem Hadassah Hospital.<br />
During the period when Israel controlled the Gaza strip my friend Dr. Eli Lash was Chief Medical officer for the strip for twenty years, lowered the infant mortality rate by one third.<br />
The Arabs in the West Bank enjoy one of the highest rates of availability electricity and clean running water of Arabs anywhere in the Middle East. BTW This was hardly the situation when Israel took control.<br />
Arab Israelis are take advantage of eligibility to enter and graduate from our universities. They have more freedom of expression than anywhere else in the Arab world,  as well as the freedom to read, write and publish what ever they want.<br />
…and Shingo I was not challenging you to live in the ancient Muslim world, not even the one of 70 years ago, when the Middle Ease was again a rich cosmopolitan area of the world. But NOW, which is what I thought we were discussing. We all know that a thousand years ago a person who did not read and speak Arabic was ignorant of the culture of the world. Even you must know, having nothing to do with Israel or Jews, that things have changed. There is not even much tolerance for different ideas about Islam much less tolerance for other religions. In Saudi Arabia if no one is looking, they still behead people who preach Christianity.<br />
For the record the only successful ethnic cleansing in this area was by the local Arabs in 1929, and again in 1948. You know, while tens of thousands of Arabs remained in the areas conquered by the Israeli army, in 1948 not one, ONE Jew remained in those conquered by the Arab armies.<br />
All you need to do is travel the Jordan Valley and look (to the east) across into Jordan and see the replication of Israeli farming methods to know the blessing we have been.<br />
And these is a reason that any Arab who can make the connections prefer treatment in Israeli hospitals.<br />
In a survey conducted a few years by a Ramala survey company the country most admired by West Bank Arabs was….Israel.<br />
It is so terrible to be an Arab in Israel that most Arabs in the west bank would accept Israeli citizenship in a flash.</p>
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		<description>You do realize that the converse is true.

  The simple history of minorities in &lt;i&gt; Israel&lt;/i&gt;  has been a disaster for all concerned, including the &lt;i&gt;Jews&lt;/i&gt;, for the past half century.

Until Israel can clean up its act, its really just the pot calling the kettle black for Israelis to be complaining about a lack of concern for religious minorities.  The treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories is worse than some of the worst periods of ancient Muslim rule.  Most of historical Muslim rule was far better than that accorded by Israel to its Palestinian subjects in the West Bank and Gaza.  If you think that history precludes majority Muslim rule from ever being just, then  you must likewise agree that majority Jewish rule, with a horrendous track record in Israel,   is similarly precluded from attaining any justness. Or perhaps they are both capable of the proper treatment of minorities, given the proper incentives and encouragement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that the converse is true.</p>
<p>  The simple history of minorities in <i> Israel</i>  has been a disaster for all concerned, including the <i>Jews</i>, for the past half century.</p>
<p>Until Israel can clean up its act, its really just the pot calling the kettle black for Israelis to be complaining about a lack of concern for religious minorities.  The treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories is worse than some of the worst periods of ancient Muslim rule.  Most of historical Muslim rule was far better than that accorded by Israel to its Palestinian subjects in the West Bank and Gaza.  If you think that history precludes majority Muslim rule from ever being just, then  you must likewise agree that majority Jewish rule, with a horrendous track record in Israel,   is similarly precluded from attaining any justness. Or perhaps they are both capable of the proper treatment of minorities, given the proper incentives and encouragement.</p>
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