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Charles Grant, in the Guardian. Last bit reminds me of Tom Buchanan in The Great Gatsby, his racist old-WASP rants:


Within Israel, there is very little pressure for a peace settlement. Israelis are getting on with their lives, without – for now – the threat of suicide bombers. There are virtually no rocket attacks from the areas controlled by Hamas and Hezbollah. The barrier that snakes through the West Bank makes Israelis feel safer – and also less interested in what happens on the other side.

As for the Gaza strip, most Israelis do not want to think or talk about it. The only people I met who seemed worried about the situation there were foreign journalists…

Many Israeli politicians and businessmen have a dark view of Europe. At a conference I attended in Jerusalem, one minister – a noted dove within the Israeli government – complained about the influence of Muslim minorities on the foreign policies of EU countries. I told him that Germany and the Netherlands, two states with large and vocal Muslim minorities, were among Israel’s best friends in Europe. He countered that the Czech Republic and Poland, which had very few Muslims, did not criticise Israel. And he claimed there was a direct correlation between the willingness of British MPs to criticise Israel, and the size of the Muslim minority in their constituencies.

Several Israelis at the conference complained that, having sprung from European civilisation, they were now among its last defenders, given that the high birth rate of Muslim immigrants and Islamist ideology were undermining that civilisation from within (I have heard very similar comments in Serbia and Russia).

15 Responses

  1. potsherd
    November 13, 2009, 10:46 pm

    Israelis need more to fear. They need a real existential threat instead of the products of their paranoid imaginations.

    The situation now puts the lie to all the platitudinous Zionists who declare that if the nastybad Arabs would only stop terror, they would be granted the keys to the kingdom.

    Well, terror is at a low point. Gabi Ashkenazi admits that Hamas is not only ceasing rocket fire, it is arresting freelance rocketers. So where is the key to the kingdom? Where are the opened borders?

    The current situation only demonstrates that Israel will never cease its oppression, not even if the Palestinians turn into Finns. They will still imprison the Finns.

  2. DICKERSON3870
    November 14, 2009, 1:16 am

    RE: Zionists who declare that if the nastybad Arabs would only stop terror, they would be granted the keys to the kingdom…So where is the key to the kingdom? Where are the opened borders?

    MY COMMENT: That’s why there is a new requirement that they accept Israel as a Jewish state… And, of course, there will always be new requirements (preconditions)!

    • potsherd
      November 14, 2009, 10:48 am

      Yes, it’s like drawing a line in the sand. When the Palestinians step over the line, the Israelis draw another line, further back. Ad infinitum. They will back off the edge of the world before they reach peace.

  3. Cliff
    November 14, 2009, 1:32 am

    Chomsky is such a phony. He doesn’t want a boycott because it would hurt Israeli citizens – Israeli society is fucking hateful and racist and virtually all of them serve in the Occupation. What a goddamn liar.

    • edwin
      November 14, 2009, 8:43 am

      I support the boycott. I have been boycotting Israel for years. I also disagree with Chomsky on a number of positions.

      I do not think you have presented Chomsky fairly at all. I don’t have time to re-read what Chomsky said unfortunately, but if memory serves me, he said that there is a fundamental difference between Zionists and Whites of South Africa. The experience and internalization of victim hood is much stronger within Zionists and they will not respond in the same way to a boycott. They will respond as if it is 1938 all over again. Reading between the lines – I hear that the Whites of S. Africa are more reasonable and more in touch with reality than Jews who support Israel. This is an incredibly damning thing to say.

      • Shmuel
        November 14, 2009, 9:18 am

        I don’t know enough about white South African society to compare, and even in the case of SA, no one knew that the boycott would work. Even now there are debates regarding the role that teh boycott played in bringing minority rule to an end. BDS is far from a sure thing, but there is a chance that it will work, and it gives us an opportunity to bypass our bought and/or impotent politicians. There is another aspect to consider however, and that is our ongoing complicity in Israel’s crimes. Israel does not have a “right” to our investments and our consumption of its products. BDS may not bring the system down, but there is certainly no justification for helping to prop it up.

      • Nolan
        November 14, 2009, 10:42 am

        And he claimed there was a direct correlation between the willingness of British MPs to criticise Israel, and the size of the Muslim minority in their constituencies.

        Avi Shlaim writes:

        On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by “an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders”.

        Source: The Guardian, January 7, 2009

      • Nolan
        November 14, 2009, 10:43 am

        And he claimed there was a direct correlation between the willingness of British MPs to criticise Israel, and the size of the Muslim minority in their constituencies.

        Avi Shlaim writes:

        On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by “an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders” .

        Source: The Guardian, January 7, 2009

      • potsherd
        November 14, 2009, 10:49 am

        While I don’t know a great deal about S A society, either, I trust the opinions of those who do, like Bishop Tutu.

      • Citizen
        November 14, 2009, 6:16 pm

        edwin, yes you make a good point; however Shmuel gives the canny response that is very realistic and a good guide.

  4. javs
    November 14, 2009, 3:04 am

    Cliff, I do get a sense that if there are aliens from another planet and they were to somehow all be the zionist (greys) the truth is to be kept quiet until furthering the control on the world without actually bring the word aliens into the sentence. They have the one major play and that is faith based, “blind faith” in what cannot be proven to the ordinary persons from walks of life as such. To the ones that have positions in governments both state and local they are brought into “the room” and possibly shown the true identity of what and where the “C.O.” are really from. Too many times the proof is there and there is just not enough people looking for it. They are affraid of truth such as the people that thing the “god dillusion” richard dawkins. I think once they are in the fold regardless of how moral they want to be the fact remains we are all probably from the same fold, but the controls and relentless opression by the very same will always be incontrol until they are taught. The other is sustainability of the planets resources and food, there is only so much to go around. Now trying to find new planets to give the genesis effect for the future control of people and planets are in the works …or maybe they always have been> I can’t wait to see how the muslims react to the “no god” reality.

  5. Shmuel
    November 14, 2009, 4:15 am

    Within Israel, there is very little pressure for a peace settlement. Israelis are getting on with their lives, without – for now – the threat of suicide bombers. There are virtually no rocket attacks from the areas controlled by Hamas and Hezbollah. The barrier that snakes through the West Bank makes Israelis feel safer – and also less interested in what happens on the other side.

    This is the classic Israeli catch 22: When there are no attacks by Palestinians, there is no reason to negotiate. When such attacks occur, they preclude negotiation.

  6. Shmuel
    November 14, 2009, 5:18 am

    For an idea of what passes for “normal” these days in Jerusalem, read Sayed Kashua’s latest column in Haaretz: link to haaretz.com

    For those unfamiliar with Kashua, he uses humour to present the reality of a Palestinian living in Jewish-Israeli society. Every once in a while, he loses it and publishes a furious rant (as he did during the Gaza massacre). The sad part is that most Israelis probably chuckle at his stuff (and ignore or get pissed off by the rants) without really understanding a word he says. For someone living in a western democracy, the picture he draws is absolutely surreal. For Israelis, it’s life.

    • Citizen
      November 14, 2009, 6:22 am

      Judging from Fox News pundits, it looks like there’s a push to create the same atmosphere in the USA–taking full advantage of the recent Ft Hood pyscho murders by the Palestinian American. I better keep my eyes wide open when I go to the barber shop.

  7. Shafiq
    November 15, 2009, 10:19 am

    winterleaves – 13 Nov 2009, 9:35AM

    At a conference I attended in Jerusalem, one minister ? a noted dove within the Israeli government ? complained about the influence of Muslim minorities on the foreign policies of EU countries.

    In other words exactly what anti-semites used to say about Europes Jewish minorities.

    ME: This commenter beat me to it.

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