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  1. potsherd
    November 16, 2009, 2:46 pm

    If I donate, will you use the money buy better blogging software that threads comments?

    • James
      November 16, 2009, 4:56 pm

      potsherd, you could be a negotiator for peace on the i/p issue… think of all the strings you could attach!!!! just pulling your leg a wee bit btw as i enjoy your posts and imput…

      • potsherd
        November 16, 2009, 5:42 pm

        I can’t be the only one constantly frustrated by t his software. This is a great site and it could be so much better with software that properly allows discussion.

      • marc b.
        November 16, 2009, 5:53 pm

        I can’t be the only one constantly frustrated by t his software.

        It does seem a bit cumbersome. However given what a technical dimwit I am, I don’t know what the alternatives are, so I don’t get frustrated.

      • alec
        November 16, 2009, 7:29 pm

        You have threaded comments two layers deep.

        How does that not suffice?

        Any threaded discussion deeper than two layers is already off topic in 90% of cases. Why should the software encourage people to go off the rails?

        The posts have topics: discuss the post. This is not a free for all.

      • potsherd
        November 16, 2009, 7:37 pm

        alec – I strongly disagree. For example, there is no way for me to directly reply to your post, in a thread only 15 posts long. When threads get into the region of 100 posts or more, it is impossible to carry on a coherent discussion.

        Furthermore, there is no way for anyone to know when another poster has replied, unless the reply happens to show up in the Recent Comments list, which is only 7 posts long.

        Decent software will provide a way to track your own comments and the comments of others, along with replies to them. Decent software offers some system of threading so it’s possible to know what post a given post is in reply to. Decent software offers a way to see if there have been new posts in a given thread.

        Superb software also offers some kind of killfile so that certain troublesome posters can be ignored.

      • alec
        November 18, 2009, 4:10 am

        Hello Potsherd,

        One point at a time:

        • discussion is threaded (use the reply button as I am now)
        • Mondoweiss.net is a news site with comments, not a forum. It sounds like you want a forum, not a news site. What Phil and Adam have chosen to do is publish a news site.
        • there are actually a lot of tools for deleting threads and discussions. Phil and Adam are extremely laissez-faire. If I had to edit the site, I’d be deleting a lot more threads and banning quite a few more IP’s.
        • it’s eminently possible for us to build up the user side features as well as the admin level ones (already built). I suppose just how much we are able to build is somewhat dependent on how this fundraising drive goes.

        In any case, thanks for the feedback.

        What we believe in at Foliovision is simplicity is power. We do not want to build a top-heavy solution to what is simple and works. There were terrible problems with this site with load times and indexing, all of which we’ve cured.

        Part of the issue was using external databases and scripts. Everything here now runs from the same database. So any features we do add will continue to run with the same speed.

      • LeaNder
        November 19, 2009, 4:33 pm

        alec, I absolutely agree: Mondoweiss should be first and foremost a news site. Which doesn’t mean it has always had the feel and touch of a forum too.

        One thing: It would be fine for the “newsreaders” if the previous/next post links could be beneath the articles and not on beneath the comments. It took me ages to discover these links.

      • potsherd
        November 19, 2009, 4:37 pm

        alec, as you must be aware, the reply button is only two posts deep. I am having to use a reply button about 8 posts up to answer you.

        And while you made your post replying to me yesterday, there was no way for me to know this until I stumbled upon it.

        Now, if a news site is what people want here, and it is a valuable news site, then why allow comments at all? It would cut down on the racists and fatheads that infest the place.

      • alec
        November 20, 2009, 2:17 pm

        Hi potsherd,

        We’ve made the reply system more robust. Every comment now has a reply button and we’ve deepened the nesting two levels.

        Thanks for your input.

        PS. If Mondoweiss reaches its donation targets, I’m sure we’ll be able to add a user control panel and comment tracking features.

        When we do those upgrades, I’ll also think about how to add an “ignore commenter” feature, if nothing else so I don’t have to read Richard Witty’s tiresome self-absorbed drivel anymore.

      • potsherd
        November 20, 2009, 2:22 pm

        For an “Ignore Commenter” feature, I would multiply my donation!

  2. marc b.
    November 16, 2009, 3:57 pm

    Now potsherd, that isn’t a very Christian way of looking at charity. Charity is unselfish, a symbol of man’s love and respect for God made manifest in his or her interaction with fellow man.

    • potsherd
      November 16, 2009, 4:33 pm

      I unselfishly want to facilitate the interaction with my fellows on this site by supporting better software.

  3. marc b.
    November 16, 2009, 3:58 pm

    It would be nice to get one of those books, however, as I have already exceeded my annual book budget.

  4. James Bradley
    November 16, 2009, 4:20 pm

    Donated. Keep up the good work.

    I often come to this site only because its one of the few sites that keeps it positive, in this ridiculously negative political atmosphere.

    • James
      November 16, 2009, 4:58 pm

      ditto…

      apparently ditto ain’t good enough… i need to be like a politician and say a lot more, lol…

  5. aparisian
    November 16, 2009, 4:23 pm

    I can offer technical help if needed i m a techie guy!

  6. Oscar
    November 16, 2009, 6:09 pm

    Just made my quarterly donation . . .

  7. Richard Witty
    November 16, 2009, 6:50 pm

    Can you imagine a Palestinian writing a book, “The Invention of the Palestinian People”, and the title not being taken opportunistically?

    • Les
      November 16, 2009, 7:05 pm

      Shlomo Sand says two peoples were created in 1948, the Israelis and the Palestinians. This is not to confused with the invention of the Jews in 19th Century Central Europe at the very same time and place the German people were being invented.

      • MRW
        November 17, 2009, 2:09 pm

        No, Sand does not say this at all. He refers to the ”Palestinas“ before 1948. And if you want to watch him say what he means, watch this: link to inventionofthejewishpeople.com

    • Chaos4700
      November 16, 2009, 7:55 pm

      Kind of doesn’t matter, Witty, because such a book hasn’t been written and isn’t relevant.

      • potsherd
        November 16, 2009, 8:42 pm

        It’d be a kind of interesting book. Starting with the Canaanites.

      • Chaos4700
        November 16, 2009, 9:18 pm

        We can’t even get Witty to acknowledge what happened last November 4th. You think he’s going to recognize actual, storied, credible history?

      • potsherd
        November 16, 2009, 10:20 pm

        What that person does, thinks or says is profoundly inconsequential. Like static, turned to a dead radio frequency.

    • James Bradley
      November 17, 2009, 3:42 am

      Actually Richard, I’d love to read a book called the “Invention of the Palestinian People,” in fact I don’t think anyone would deny that any group of people are really just an “invention.”

      The problem is that everyone else must come to terms with the fact that their ethnic identification is really just some man made bullshit, but for some reason discussing this in an intellectual environment for the Jewish people is sacrilege.

      There is nothing wrong with identifying as a Jewish person or with Jewish values many of which are incredibly humane. But its also imperative to understand that our ethnic identities are really just “invented.”

      • Richard Witty
        November 17, 2009, 4:42 am

        James,
        I think you hit the nail on the head. Both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people CAME to self-identify in the terms that they did.

        One of the uses of the Sand book by “activists” is to dismiss the basis of the Jewish people’s self-identification as trivial, even “false”.

        It just ain’t true. We really are unique (all of us), different. And, it is a GOOD thing that people do identify and associate at multiple social scales, not only as individuals in a soup.

        Its good that we be part of families with a unique and self-named culture. The Weiss’s for example are a unique cultural phenomena. Now that they are professional and spread wide, they’ve “assimilated” a bit more, but you should have seen their scene at 15 and 20.

        And, its good that we be part of sub-tribes with unique and self-named culture. I am very excited by my association/identity with the Jewish-yoga community (my emphasis more on the Jewish now, but still two feet).

        And, its good that we be part of macro-tribes, the Jewish people.

        The three movements that urge assimilation to the point of dissolution are socialists/anarchists, politically defined nationalists, and commercialists.

        I value subjectivity (first person: I, we, We, WE, I/I), and don’t only think of myself as objective historical phenomena or passive national fascist military machine or market segment.

      • robin
        November 17, 2009, 5:08 am

        James: I haven’t read it, but my understanding of it is that Rashid Khalidi’s Palestinian Identity is that book.

        Nationalities/ethnicities are “real” in a social sense; they are real when people believe that they are. That they are (all) invented does not make them somehow invalid, although Palestinians historically have had to fend off aggressive campaigns of denial against their identity.

      • VR
        November 17, 2009, 8:18 am

        Tribal and group identity has its place, but once it crosses the boundaries and becomes murderous privilege it has exceeded its usefulness. It is just like the educational process, which is good until it becomes a guarded form of elitism. All identity issues are fine until they deny and obscure others, and if such becomes the basis of nationalism it deserves the right to be quashed. A Hegelian nationalism whose sole purpose on the basis of a fiction is the annihilation of another “group” has no right to exist.

      • VR
        November 17, 2009, 9:03 am

        Likewise, a society that has ingested invalid rule sets sits on shaky ground, and invites others to break its rule set as a matter of simple survival. That which turns into a destructive social hegemony has no right to exist.

        The first rule is, don’t play by their rules. Nothing is what it seems in our country, almost everything is reversed. It is as if you are surrounded and bound by chains, both soft and hard, but nevertheless the so-called “rules” are meant to bind you so that you will not be an effective change agent, so the status quo remains intact. If the status quo remain intact nothing will change, and the destructive cycle of empire will not be broken.

        Our entire lives we are set up for subservience, authority figures are touted and we are told that they should be received without question. We go through school, which teaches us not only what we should learn in order to be literate – but how we are supposed to act in society. Every revolutionary bone that we have is removed from our body – we become spineless and mindless drones programmed to do the will of those who do not have our best interest in mind.

        We have been taught all our life what we should desire, what acceptable goals are for happiness. So we live in these bubbles, surrounded by another big bubble which reinforces the way life is supposed to be. America has become the envy of every elite which would like to rule over the hearts and minds of a people without even a significant whimper from them. What we have embraced in this country, and what is fed to us and reinforced on a daily basis, is the fuel that feeds empire.

        The rules say there is limited access to public decisions, but there is no freedom without equal access to decision making for all. This requires direct participation, not representative democracy. Even the twisted principle of “might is right” is wrong, so that in a democracy it results in majority rule over the few. We instead must be based on the principle of consensus-dissensus, that is arriving at a consensus, and if there is still a failure to agree – than the resources are split by the majority and minority proportional to the percentages.

        The rules say “I am rich and you are poor.” There must be equal access to societies common wealth for all. Even the distinctions of I am employer and you are the employee, which have become like second nature to our brainwashed minds, have got to go. If there is no decentralization of wealth we will never have equal distribution of power. It is simple and inevitable, those who have more wealth will have the power over the system, as well as the legal system and everything else for that matters.

        The only way to get rid of this dualistic state of affairs is to extend the principle of “PARTICIPATION” not representation, to ALL areas of life and the extended institutions. This includes corporations which have become the fascist norm with all decisions coming from the top. Life is not like a corporation, life is like a community.

        The rules say everything must be profit driven. No, that once again is not true, it should rather be needs based – “to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability.” This is just common storehouse economics – WHERE PEOPLE IN CONCERT CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION AND EXCHANGE. Where people take what they want during abundance and what they need during times of scarcity.

        The rules say consume your ass off and screw everyone else! However, there is no reason why some people should consume more than others. It is simply wrong to be rewarded because of blind luck, some sort of genetic endowment, or to become rich on the misfortunes of others, or because one person is strong and the other is disabled.

        Equal access to wealth is not the same as redistribution of wealth, it is wrong to give someone who is more needy the same as someone who has less needs – hence, “each according to their needs.” True equality also recognizes diversity and that which is complimentary, it has nothing to do with forced uniformity.

      • MRW
        November 17, 2009, 2:16 pm

        Richard,

        I think you hit the nail on the head. Both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people CAME to self-identify in the terms that they did.

        There is a particular people called Palestinian. They have a food culture. They all speak the same language. They have the same history. They have the same culture.

        There is no specific people called Jewish. They do not all speak the same language. They do not all have the same history. They do not have the same food culture. As Sand said at his 6talk in NYC when someone argued that indeed there is a Jewish people. He said, Good, can I speak Hebrew to you now?

        There is a Jewish culture within a nationality. There is a Jewish religion. There is a Jewish identity. But there is no Jewish people. The Jews of Transylvania have absolutely nothing to do with the Jews of Vancouver, WA other than religion and identity. Their cultures, food, language, and history are completely different.

      • Citizen
        November 17, 2009, 3:06 pm

        V: “The rules say everything must be profit driven. No, that once again is not true, it should rather be needs based – “to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability.” This is just common storehouse economics – WHERE PEOPLE IN CONCERT CONTROL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION AND EXCHANGE. Where people take what they want during abundance and what they need during times of scarcity.”

        From each according to his/her abilities, to each according to his/her abilities?
        You don’t need to be Ayn Rand to find this mandate a problem. You’ve never known any one who has abused what use to be called the welfare system? Remember the welfare queen? And, then of course, there is also the corporate welfare system… Does abundance grow off wild trees? Can I have your food stamps?
        I want to bundle them with some others and a new flat screen tv. And, oh btw, don’t bother to pay me nickels and dimes for child support–if you don’t, I can get more from the government–and the government is more reliable than you.

      • VR
        November 17, 2009, 3:45 pm

        A society is measured not by how it can trample all who oppose it, or merely by the edifice it can build, nor its overwhelming institutions –

        “You’ve never known any one who has abused what use to be called the welfare system? Remember the welfare queen?”

        It is measured by how it treats the so-called least among it citizens. If you were joking Citizen it would be one matter, but you are not, that is the sad part about your response – try to dig up another fallacious stereotype, that one is worn out. As long as you cling to this current debacle we have going you deserve everything it offers. One of the things it offers is powerlessness, so do not hold out any hope for change, it will not come.

        Abundance does not have to proceed from slavery both physical or mental, or coercion. Enjoy your flat screen TV.

      • VR
        November 17, 2009, 5:55 pm

        Prognosis of the future if we keep the same course, lamely walk down the same path and embrace the same lies –

        PROGNOSIS OF THE FUTURE

      • Citizen
        November 19, 2009, 6:00 pm

        V, why do you insist that people don’t take advantage of the system at the bottom and the top? What planet do you live on? I will enjoy my flat screen tv; I paid for it no thanks to any government aid, whether it be subsidy for the poor or the rich. You are the problem as you don’t appear to recognize reality.

    • Mooser
      November 17, 2009, 12:45 pm

      Wait a minute, Richard! Yesterday, we were all colonists, all sleeping on stolen land! What happened? You been to Piltdown or something? Seen a fragment of facial bone which convinces you Jews were created in the ME?
      “Ass vee ken clearly schee by der nasio-proboscis bone, this is a Jewish schkull. Der cranial cavity is not exceptionally large, but has been clearly filled with halvah at one time”

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2009, 12:46 pm

        Sorry, I don’t do dialect well.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2009, 7:30 pm

        Citizen, if you’ve spent time in the service, you got no right to talk about welfare cheats. Same thing, as far as I can see.

        Oh, and BTW, do you actually know of any welfare cheats, or did you just start repeating the phrase “welfare queen” when your hero Reagen, started saying it?

        And second, fool, no matter how many welfare cheats there are (the agencies take care to prevent it) the overall good of the relief from poverty more than outweighs the cost.
        But I know, Citizen, the one you suck on says “Government titty for the deserving.”

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2009, 7:22 am

        Mooser: “Citizen, if you’ve spent time in the service, you got no right to talk about welfare cheats. Same thing, as far as I can see.”

        Please explain your comment. Why is it that a soldier, or former soldier, has no right to talk about welfare cheats? Conversely, would a draft dodger have such a right? Logically, you would say yes. How about somebody who was drafted; no right to talk about welfare cheats either? You equate being a soldier with being a welfare cheat? You say it’s the same thing. How so? What precisely is “the same thing?” Spending time in the service=being a welfare cheat. Again, please explain your comment. I didn’t know our GIs are all welfare cheats. As far as I can see, I don’t even equate military service with being on welfare, let alone equating with welfare cheats.

        “Oh, and BTW, do you actually know of any welfare cheats, or did you just start repeating the phrase “welfare queen” when your hero Reagen, started saying it?”

        I have known welfare cheats. They are not mere concepts to me. I never voted for Reagen. The only Republican I ever voted for was Ron Paul in the last primary.

        “And second, fool, no matter how many welfare cheats there are (the agencies take care to prevent it) the overall good of the relief from poverty more than outweighs the cost.”

        I will let the readers here judge your name calling here, and your economics, moral hazard, and expressed faith in the agencies. I’ve also known people who work in such agencies who have expressed to me their OJ experience. Have you?

        “But I know, Citizen, the one you suck on says “Government titty for the deserving.”

        Yes, you know me and how everything really is. It’s all so because you say so. Thanks for sharing. BTW, did you have a regular, paying job in grade school, and in
        high school? Did you support yourelf entirely and pay your own way through college? How about for a professional degree too? I assume you were never in military service because you didn’t want to be the equivalent of a welfare cheat. How about the tit you suck on, the one “Government titty for the undeserving?”

      • Mooser
        November 23, 2009, 6:45 pm

        You voted for Ron Paul? Just proves what I said, you are all schlamazel!
        `Ron Paul! ROTFL!

    • Cliff
      November 17, 2009, 3:10 pm

      Palestinian identity is a nationalistic identity, Witty. It’s not the same. Typical equivocation from you, you liar. Sand goes on to say there is an ISRAELI people. Because Israel is a nation.

      Do you understand? ALL identities are invented anyways.

      God, you’re such a dishonest crook.

    • LeaNder
      November 19, 2009, 4:27 pm

      Can anyone imagine what Witty would do, if he couldn’t compare the Israeli/Jewish superior standard with the lower Palestinian? I guess he would fall into a big black hole. Nationalism …

      • Citizen
        November 19, 2009, 6:05 pm

        Witty’s a guy who lives free and clear of governmental intrusion and yet he doesn’t see that’s a good idea no matter where someone lives–the mote in his eye is what he perceives as jewish continuity uber allles. In the USA, he is akin to David Duke–they just disagree on who should be preserved at all costs. If you think Adolph is their mentor, you are right.

  8. Richard Witty
    November 17, 2009, 4:47 am

    My point is on the selection of material. Phil declares “I’m not one-stater or two-stater. I’m undecided”.

    Yet, does NOT put on his gift list any subject matter that considers other morally audacious perspectives.

    He’s market segmented (a verb).

    Where is the Burg book, Segev, Morris, Laquerre, Sacher, Kimmerling, even Pappe?

    At least there weren’t any overtly anti-semitic material on the list (I haven’t read Sand yet, I’ll reserve judgement on the content. The title is catchy like “THE Israel Lobby”.)

    • Citizen
      November 17, 2009, 3:17 pm

      Gee, Richard, you act like there is not a status quo powerhouse tide little Phil is trying to balance out with more information only a very small minority are even aware of. Why do you pretend Phil is the King, and you are the serf burdened with long curtailment? Phil’s the rebel, you are not.

  9. aparisian
    November 17, 2009, 5:08 am

    LOL never agree with Witty but i like this guy, he is so fucken bloody smart!!!

  10. Richard Witty
    November 17, 2009, 7:16 am

    In any case, donate to Phil and Adam if you support their efforts.

    And, dare them to ignore their funding base in their editorial content.

    • MRW
      November 17, 2009, 2:23 pm

      dare them to ignore their funding base in their editorial content

      You think this is how good journalism works?

      if you support their efforts

      You are so profoundly jealous of Phil, it’s remarkable.

      • Mooser
        November 23, 2009, 6:48 pm

        Isn’t he, though! Absolutely bottle-green with envy.

    • Cliff
      November 17, 2009, 3:11 pm

      Witty is. Phil is intelligent and well-liked. Phil is a true liberal and humanist.

      Witty is an old, stale, yuppie Jewish exceptionalist.

  11. Call Me Ishmael
    November 17, 2009, 7:47 am

    Off topic, but important:

    Roger Cohen has an article in today’s NYT. He says he is giving up on any hope of peace between Israel and Palestinians; that the status quo is the best that can be hoped for.

    Cohen writes:

    “I agree with the Israeli author David Grossman when he writes: ‘We have dozens of atomic bombs, tanks and planes. We confront people possessing none of these arms. And yet, in our minds, we remain victims. This inability to perceive ourselves in relation to others is our principal weakness.’”

    There you have it: Israeli and American Jews who support Zionism cannot see themselves in relation to others. But it isn’t merely a weakness – it’s a fatal illness.

    Here’s the link:

    link to nytimes.com

    • Call Me Ishmael
      November 17, 2009, 7:49 am

      BTW, I am responding to Phil’s request for contributions.

      • potsherd
        November 17, 2009, 9:51 am

        I’ve been waiting – apparently in vain – for a reply from Phil to my question at the top of this thread. It would have influenced the size of my contribution.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2009, 12:48 pm

        And I’m still waiting for that link to “Hot Gentile Singles” And, I don’t mind telling you, it will influence the size of… Oh, never mind, Quenn Victoria might be reading.

    • Citizen
      November 17, 2009, 3:25 pm

      Like the person who went through the Great Depression over a half century ago, and now, sitting on a fortune, keeps pinching every penny while the people outside his or her MacMansion beg in the streets. Better yet, the child of the parents who went though the Great Depression doing the same thing.

  12. Richard Witty
    November 17, 2009, 2:05 pm

    Scott is the editor of American Conservative magazine, that Phil has written for periodically.

    • VR
      November 17, 2009, 2:32 pm

      If i did i would give them a conservative kick in the ass…lol

    • VR
      November 17, 2009, 4:35 pm

      Don’t you just get a kick out of American bullshit – conservative is not conservative, liberal is not liberal, and libertarian is not libertarian (all of this in the sense of a classic world view, it is all rearranged here to promote a backyard view). as an example just to ruffle some feathers…lol

      THE TERMS THAT ARE NOT

  13. AM
    November 17, 2009, 2:41 pm

    Will donate again later tonight. Unlike what Witty suggested, I donate because I agree, not because I want to force you to take a particular spin.

    But I agree with potsheard….the manner by which discussions occur is horrible. Something more streamlined and clear is most definitely needed

  14. Cliff
    November 17, 2009, 3:13 pm

    Is there a way to have buttons/etc. that allow us to insert quotes/pictures/etc. better too?

    Kind of like on a forum.

    • potsherd
      November 17, 2009, 4:36 pm

      Let’s not get carried away!

      • Cliff
        November 20, 2009, 12:13 pm

        Buttons I say! Buttons!

  15. Elliot
    November 18, 2009, 12:31 am

    Donated.
    Thank you for this forum.

  16. otto
    November 18, 2009, 4:20 am

    I think the next stage is selling t-shirts and mugs.

  17. Citizen
    November 19, 2009, 11:03 am

    Time to recall Phil’s words in April of 2006:
    “A conversation that has been boiling below the surface for three years has finally broken out openly in the last few weeks: Is America too close to Israel? Should our policy in the Middle East be more evenhanded towards the Palestinians and Arabs?

    It’s obvious why that conversation has broken the surface. Neoconservatives helped get us into the disastrous war in Iraq, and many neocons are motivated by an absolute identification of Israel interests with ours. So lo and behold, we are now occupying Arab lands and suffering grisly terrorist attacks and rationalizing indiscriminate attacks on civilians as necessary to end the war on terror…

    Two brushfires have gotten the conversation about Israel going publicly here. One is the controversy over a paper published in the London Review of Books by a Harvard dean and a University of Chicago professor attacking the power of the Israel lobby over American policy. The most significant aspect of the paper (by Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer) is that it was published in London. The authors say it was rejected by an American publication on the grounds that such a heresy could not be published in the States.

    Well, the two scholars have gotten their wish in the end: their bold ideas are being furiously debated in this country. Alan Dershowitz, playing his role as intellectual vigilante, has stated that the two professors have “destroyed their professional reputations.” In fact, they may have enlarged those reputations, by taking on a verboten subject whose time has come, and doing so in a forceful manner.

    The other brushfire is closely related. It too has as its theme, Important words about America that cannot be published here, only in London. That brushfire is the recent cancellation by a New York theater company of the play My Name Is Rachel Corrie. The play is made up of the posthumous words of a 23-year-old American leftist who died in 2003, crushed by an American-made bulldozer, while protesting Israeli policies in the occupied territories. The one-woman show has had two sold-out runs at a London theater. But the New York theater that was to stage it this month cancelled the show out of political fears, creating a storm of criticism. (See my piece in the Nation).

    Yes it’s true: Muslims censor Muhammad cartoons, and thereby demonstrate a faultline in their civilization. But we also censor certain views. And that censorship exposes a deep fault in our view of the world.”

    Worth a donation, yes? Phil’s been truckin’ on against the tide for quite a while now.
    So what if you need a tetanus shot to enter his home office as his good wife said back then? I bet Eichman’s and Heydrich’s desks were as pristine as any CEO’s today in the USA. Certainly no socks on the floor.

  18. Michael LeFavour
    November 19, 2009, 11:05 am

    Who in their right mind would contribute to vilification of a beleaguered people living under the threat of constant annihilation by the same racist, fanatic enemies we all face? Vilification is a proven precursor to genocide and from what I can see this site does everything to reinforce that goal, by consistently distorting reality and conscious ignorance of context, which gives racist bigots a fig leaf to hide behind. If Americans knew their tax money supported anti freedom propaganda they would be appalled and would do everything within their power to get the abuse revoked.

    • Citizen
      November 19, 2009, 11:49 am

      Exactly the point, who in their right mind would contribute to vilification of a long-beleaguered people like the Palestinians, living under actual slow annihilation by the same racist, fanatic enemies we all face, the rest of us less directly? Vilification has proven a precursor to this slow genocide of the Palestinians and from what I can see
      this site is one tiny voice rising up against the governmental status quo reinforcing and tying the USA to Israel right or wrong at the long term expense of both the USA and Israel. Who leaves out more context than our own government and MSM regarding the I-P conflict, which is so central to the on-going momentum of the world’s strife? If Americans only knew their tax money supported such anti freedom propaganda–going on since the Movie Exodus–they would be appalled and would do everything within their power to the abuse revoked, beginning with
      cutting off all direct and indirect aid to Israel.

      • Michael LeFavour
        November 19, 2009, 2:36 pm

        One tiny voice? No doubt it is a tiny voice, because if the host behind the curtain ever slithered out from under the rock it hides under it would be ripped to shreds by the boots of real journalists. Mondoweiss will always be a dark crevice where things move in the shadow because the malevolence that thrives in the darkness here can not survive in the light of day. Not a single one of my words has been proven wrong here though I am but a candle compared to the searing white light that could be brought here.

        Now, I suppose you can detail how the Jews are our enemies, in light of the fact that none of them have crashed airliners into our buildings, none of them have interrupted international sporting events with terror, none of them have hijacked any air liners, none of them have gone on killing sprees on our military bases, and none of them have posters of people that do those things plastered all over their walls as something honorable? Like it or not, if Americans knew that our taxes were paying for this site they would be enraged and I have already sent some inquiries into the rules of tax deductible status.

      • Citizen
        November 22, 2009, 8:52 am

        Hey, good for you. Now please ask congress to review the attack on the USS Liberty, ok? It is the only such event in U.S. Naval history the cause of which has never been formally investigated either by Congress or by the Navy itself.

      • VR
        November 22, 2009, 1:37 pm

        “Not a single one of my words has been proven wrong here though I am but a candle compared to the searing white light that could be brought here.’

        Glad to see you are back Michael LaFullofit….lol I will leave it to the people who post here to see how you were verbally with facts kicked from pillar to post. Apparently you are of the opinion that a small amount of time changes all facts, both in your posts about the “conflict” and your fantasy accomplishments here. We are inclusive here Micheal, and even have room for your pathetic hubris.

      • Chaos4700
        November 19, 2009, 3:24 pm

        “Ripped to shreds…” by “boots?” Okay, Mikey boy, do us all a favor, stick to your strengths and pare it down to just the right wing crackpot conspiracy theories. Poetic metaphors just are not working for you.

      • potsherd
        November 20, 2009, 12:27 pm

        Mr Hate is a poster boy for adjective abuse.

      • James Bradley
        November 19, 2009, 8:52 pm

        In any case, remember when Israel killed dozens of our sailors? With napalm?

        link to video.google.com

        Or how about all the Israeli spies caught in the United States? Spies that have stolen billions of dollars worth of information from our tax payers? Spies that are still being caught today.

        Or how about Israel virtually dictating our foreign policy in the Middle East?

    • Cliff
      November 20, 2009, 12:17 pm

      I agree w/ Mr. Hate:

      Who in their right mind would contribute to vilification of a beleaguered people living under the threat of constant annihilation by the same racist, fanatic enemies we all face? [...]If Americans knew their tax money supported anti freedom propaganda they would be appalled and would do everything within their power to get the abuse revoked.

      Perfectly describes the Satanic Zionist State.

      • potsherd
        November 20, 2009, 12:33 pm

        Speaking of adjective abuse – Cliff, take a look at Hate’s posts. What makes them so ridiculous? It’s using words like “satanic,” verbal frothing and foaming like a rabid weasel.

        If you want people to take your comments seriously, you need to use serious language. Otherwise people will dismiss your remarks as antisemitic raving.

  19. potsherd
    November 19, 2009, 11:18 am

    Phil can take the first step against racist vilification of beleaguered people threatened by fanatics by banning you from this site.

    • Citizen
      November 19, 2009, 11:54 am

      Why bother, potsherd? He reminds us all what amazing delusions we face in the interests of justice and the best interests of our country the USA, and of Israel, now known by those informed as the strongest rogue state affecting the world, mainly because
      Uncle Sam is AIPAC et al’s flunky.

      • potsherd
        November 19, 2009, 12:01 pm

        There is that.

        But the site does have a comments policy prohibiting racist langauge and hate speech.

      • potsherd
        November 19, 2009, 3:20 pm

        It’s a lot like some kind of poisonous toad – you poke it with a stick and its exudes venom from its orifices. Amusing in a way, I suppose.

      • Chaos4700
        November 19, 2009, 3:43 pm

        It’s a tough call. As disgusting as I find comments like those coming from Michael LeFavour, I think having the opportunity to discredit and expose it is far more valuable then trying to isolate oneself from it and trying to pretend it doesn’t exist. I think being able to confront hate mongers like that is more of a credit to us, as a community, because it allows to prove our point against opposition and it keeps us from becoming, as a community, too insular and self-reinforcing.

        Plus, and I know you don’t enjoy it, but embarrassing nasty hateful people over their own clumsy rhetoric is actually fun, for some of us.

    • Michael LeFavour
      November 19, 2009, 2:48 pm

      pothead, if I clung to your ignorant fantasy of the conflict, I would want to get rid of a guy like me too. That is the only hope a moral pervert has to preserve his ego when confronted by someone like me. I fully expect to be thrown off at some point, it will follow a pattern of denial I have found to be a vibrant part of what animates the dupes that have been seduced by a version of history that completely disempowers la victime du jour.

      • Chaos4700
        November 19, 2009, 3:25 pm

        “Ignorant fantasy.” Bear in mind this is coming from the teabagger, birther WMDs-in-Iraq corner of the blogosphere. Heh.

      • Citizen
        November 19, 2009, 4:01 pm

        Michael LeFavor, the pattern of denial is by the status quo powers, to whom you genuflect. The moral pervert encompasses all who like the status quo. You are akin to a Nazi back in their day. The White Rose wouldn’t like you.

  20. Mooser
    November 19, 2009, 8:45 pm

    I’d love to send some money, but I just can’t see myself supporting Richard Witty’s blog.

    • James Bradley
      November 19, 2009, 8:53 pm

      You can’t deny that exposing Witty’s upside down logic is half the fun here =P

      • alec
        November 20, 2009, 6:01 am

        As I’ve outlined elsewhere, Richard Witty’s comments should be approved on about 4:1 ratio, based on current performance.

        Witty is a stale, inane joke.

        The broken record makes the comments section of Mondoweiss quite tedious.

        I wish Phil and Adam would put a sock in it for Witty, as Richard Witty doesn’t seem to have least bit of verbal self-control himself.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2009, 12:01 pm

        “Witty doesn’t seem to have least bit of verbal self-control himself

        Well, on that basis he has my empathy. I know what that’s like, being easily tempted to improvidences by an empty comments box. Darn you, empty comments box!

    • Chaos4700
      November 19, 2009, 9:05 pm

      Oh come on now. For as much time as Witty spends trying to make it all about him! him! him! we keep pace with making him regret doing that, I suspect. :)

    • potsherd
      November 20, 2009, 11:36 am

      I’d support it if it were somewhere else, just not to have him here.

  21. Richard Witty
    November 20, 2009, 7:17 am

    Find another way to deal with my comments, rather than seeking to censor or to malign.

    I believe that my comments quite successfully summarize the active liberal perspective of seeking a viable two state solution, honoring BOTH Israeli needs, and Palestinian.

    • Citizen
      November 20, 2009, 7:31 am

      From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs. This is Mooser’s and V’s philosophy, so they agree with you.

    • alec
      November 20, 2009, 11:03 am

      Richard, you are so f___ng boring and repetitive and discredited.

      Why would I bother with your comments at all?

      It’s just a shame that they have to be in all of our way on every post, like so much horse manure in every streets.

      • former coMMenter
        November 20, 2009, 2:10 pm


        javascript:var w=new Array();var d=document.getElementsByTagName("dd");for (var i=0;i<d.length;i++){if (d[i].className.indexOf("witty")!=-1){w[w.length]=d[i]}};for (var i=0;i<w.length;i++){w[i].parentNode.removeChild(w[i])};var t=new Array();var s=document.getElementsByTagName("dt");for (var i=0;i<s.length;i++){if (s[i].className.indexOf("witty")!=-1){t[t.length]=s[i]}};for (var i=0;i<t.length;i++){t[i].parentNode.removeChild(t[i])}

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2009, 11:57 am

      “I believe that my comments quite successfully summarize the active liberal perspective of seeking a viable two state solution, honoring BOTH Israeli needs, and Palestinian.”

      That’s one of the saddest things I ever read. Well, at least he didn’t say his viewpoint was the Jewish one, so I’ll be thankful for small favors. Now it’s just the “active liberal perspective”, which, as we know, is a powerful factor in I-P issues.
      No one could more passionately favor a position of complete impotence, mit schlag. And it seems to have the ineffable yet efficacious side-effect of releasing Witty from all responsibility. Who could ask for anything more?

      • Citizen
        November 21, 2009, 9:35 am

        What is the “active liberal perspective” on food shortages in the USA?

        link to informationclearinghouse.info

        What if we cut off our foreign aid and actually fed our own children with the saved funds? God forbid.

      • Citizen
        November 21, 2009, 9:38 am

        And just imagine if we took Ron Paul’s approach to our military industrial complex? Then combine that with Dennis Kucinich’s domestic politics? And combined both of their POVs in a synthesis with Ralph Nader’s POV? My guess is that would actually be working in a triad partnership for “we, the people.”

  22. potsherd
    November 22, 2009, 7:19 pm

    The word spreads: link to arabnews.com

    I take this opportunity to advise those who support the legitimate rights of the Palestinians and the efforts for Middle East peace to give their full backing to these anti-Zionist Jews, who have sacrificed their money and even their relations with their closest people in order to stand by the rights of Palestinians. I don’t have the complete record of these anti-Zionist writers and websites but they include writers like Norman G. Finkelstein and Mike Marqusee and blogs such as Antonyloewenstein.com, Mondoweiss.net and http://www.philipweiss.com.

  23. Citizen
    November 23, 2009, 9:28 am

    This is on a different point, but indirectly related to tax deductible donations, and on a macro level, to address the USA regime beyond one aspect of it, which is Israel First at all costs–the cost is tied up with our banking system:
    Just connect a few of the dots, and you’ll see what I mean:

    The U.S. Treasury rushes to bail out AIG. That alone helps protect AIG’s counterparties from the direct losses they’d otherwise suffer in an AIG failure.

    The Federal Reserve Bank of New York creates a special entity to pay off AIG’s creditors in full. While ordinary U.S. investors lose fortunes even in companies that are financially viable, 16 major banks don’t lose a penny even in a company that would otherwise be bankrupt — all thanks to the Fed’s largesse.

    Prominent among these government-blessed banks is Goldman Sachs, Wall Street’s most extravagant giver of executive bonuses in 2006 and 2007 … and also Wall Street’s most lavish payer of employee bonuses in 2009.
    The money flow is clear:

    From taxpayers to AIG …

    From AIG and the Fed to big Wall Street investment banks like Goldman Sachs, and then …

    From Goldman Sachs to its employees in the form of lavish bonuses.
    It is, by far, the greatest taxpayer rip-off off all time!

    And it melds into who we spend our foreign aid tax dollars on, and what policies are in the best interest of the USA, whether domestic or foreign. It’s pretty clear who the losers are, yes?

  24. James Bradley
    November 23, 2009, 7:35 pm

    I know this has been answered before, but does anyone know how many hits Mondoweiss gets on a monthly basis?

  25. Mooser
    December 6, 2009, 1:11 pm

    “I know this has been answered before, but does anyone know how many hits Mondoweiss gets on a monthly basis?”

    I don’t know about Weiss and Horowitz, but I damn-sure never come hear without a couple of good hits under my belt.
    And however many hits Weiss gets, it isn’t enough. He really, really needs the self-consciousness, if he is going to fearlessly plumb the surface of American Jewish life the way he does.

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