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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vidal was referring to Abe Feinberg, who was reportedly the first of the big Jewish fundraisers as apart from donors.  Abe knew where to go for the money and it is well documented that when Truman was running far behind and needed some serious funding to take a whistlestop train ride through the country speaking to voters, the way it was done in those days, it was Abe Feinberg who stepped up to make sure he had the money. 

AfterTruman won  the election in 1948, one observer said the election was as much a victory for Feinberg as it was for Truman. Old Abe hung around to do the same for JFK and LBJ.  Si Hersh, in The Sampson Option, describes how Feinberg then came to see candidate Kennedy and told him he&#039;d take care of his bills &quot;if you let us have control of your Middle East policy.&quot;  Feinberg remembered that JFK heard him out politely, but the next day, he reported the conversation to a friend and he was hopping mad.  JFK didn&#039;t oblige Feinberg, but he got the money anyway.

Although one will think that JFK&#039;s relations with Israel were just wonderful from most books on the subject,  most gloss over his support or ignore his support for the Palestinian right of return, prentend his opposition to Israel going nuclear was mostly lip service and don&#039;t mention at all his efforts to get the main lobbying group,  the American Zionist Council, precursor to AIPAC, to register as a foreign agent. Most books on Jewish politics strangely enough don&#039;t mention the American Zionist Council, at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vidal was referring to Abe Feinberg, who was reportedly the first of the big Jewish fundraisers as apart from donors.  Abe knew where to go for the money and it is well documented that when Truman was running far behind and needed some serious funding to take a whistlestop train ride through the country speaking to voters, the way it was done in those days, it was Abe Feinberg who stepped up to make sure he had the money. </p>
<p>AfterTruman won  the election in 1948, one observer said the election was as much a victory for Feinberg as it was for Truman. Old Abe hung around to do the same for JFK and LBJ.  Si Hersh, in The Sampson Option, describes how Feinberg then came to see candidate Kennedy and told him he&#8217;d take care of his bills &#8220;if you let us have control of your Middle East policy.&#8221;  Feinberg remembered that JFK heard him out politely, but the next day, he reported the conversation to a friend and he was hopping mad.  JFK didn&#8217;t oblige Feinberg, but he got the money anyway.</p>
<p>Although one will think that JFK&#8217;s relations with Israel were just wonderful from most books on the subject,  most gloss over his support or ignore his support for the Palestinian right of return, prentend his opposition to Israel going nuclear was mostly lip service and don&#8217;t mention at all his efforts to get the main lobbying group,  the American Zionist Council, precursor to AIPAC, to register as a foreign agent. Most books on Jewish politics strangely enough don&#8217;t mention the American Zionist Council, at all.</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is curious to see how much power the Jewish community was able to exert in this instance and on President Truman throughout his term in office...&quot;

This may shed some light Mr Blankfort,  than again,  maybe not.   Gore Vidal makes some interesting comments in the forward he wrote for Israel Shahak&#039;s  volume Jewish History, Jewish Religion. The Weight of Three Thousand Years - 

&quot;Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. &#039;That&#039;s why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.&#039; As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is curious to see how much power the Jewish community was able to exert in this instance and on President Truman throughout his term in office&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This may shed some light Mr Blankfort,  than again,  maybe not.   Gore Vidal makes some interesting comments in the forward he wrote for Israel Shahak&#8217;s  volume Jewish History, Jewish Religion. The Weight of Three Thousand Years &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. &#8216;That&#8217;s why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.&#8217; As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose you consider European Zionists appropriating seventy-odd percent of Palestine after the UN kindly gave them a mere 56% on paper -- to a 33% Jewish &lt;i&gt;minority&lt;/i&gt; -- perfectly democratic.

You wouldn&#039;t know democracy if it rang your doorbell and asked you to sign a petition, Witty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose you consider European Zionists appropriating seventy-odd percent of Palestine after the UN kindly gave them a mere 56% on paper &#8212; to a 33% Jewish <i>minority</i> &#8212; perfectly democratic.</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t know democracy if it rang your doorbell and asked you to sign a petition, Witty.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, do you use exagerated rhetoric. There was &quot;NOTHING&quot; democratic about the UN partition vote.

You are naming a potential minor emphasis, that is within Baruch&#039;s right to the extent that he had the power, even if it did happen.

And, you have the fantasy that similar external pressures were not applied &quot;undemocratically&quot; at a thousand different instances directed to Israel.

Lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, do you use exagerated rhetoric. There was &#8220;NOTHING&#8221; democratic about the UN partition vote.</p>
<p>You are naming a potential minor emphasis, that is within Baruch&#8217;s right to the extent that he had the power, even if it did happen.</p>
<p>And, you have the fantasy that similar external pressures were not applied &#8220;undemocratically&#8221; at a thousand different instances directed to Israel.</p>
<p>Lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the delegate from France that was warned by Baruch that if France did not vote for partition, its aid would be cut.  You can read about this and other examples of the exercise of Jewish political power in Mitchell Bard&#039;s &quot;The Water&#039;s Edge and Beyond,&quot; published in 1991 which  is available on line and strongly recommended. Bard was a former AIPAC staff member and currently runs the Jewish Virtual Library web site and the American Israel Cooperative Enterprise which promotes US-Israeli business. A former editor of AIPAC&#039;s Myth and Facts book, he also runs a blog where he regularly churns out similar hardline pro-Israel positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the delegate from France that was warned by Baruch that if France did not vote for partition, its aid would be cut.  You can read about this and other examples of the exercise of Jewish political power in Mitchell Bard&#8217;s &#8220;The Water&#8217;s Edge and Beyond,&#8221; published in 1991 which  is available on line and strongly recommended. Bard was a former AIPAC staff member and currently runs the Jewish Virtual Library web site and the American Israel Cooperative Enterprise which promotes US-Israeli business. A former editor of AIPAC&#8217;s Myth and Facts book, he also runs a blog where he regularly churns out similar hardline pro-Israel positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/if-it-was-a-war-for-oil-the-us-lost.html/comment-page-1#comment-125193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There also was nothing democratic about the UN vote for partition. Powerful zionists such as Bernard Baruch employed economic blackmail on a number of countries that were ready to vote against it and were assisted, in several instances,  by their lackey, Walter White, head of the NAACP, which relied and still does on liberal Jews for funding. They got four countries to switch their votes from &quot;no&quot; to &quot;yes&quot; and seven to abstain.  Baruch warned the UN delegate that voting against partition would cost him US aid.

It is curious to see how much power the Jewish community was able to exert in this instance and on President Truman throughout his term in office, yet we are told these very same Jews did not have sufficient political clout to do anything to rescue the Jews of Europe just a year or two earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There also was nothing democratic about the UN vote for partition. Powerful zionists such as Bernard Baruch employed economic blackmail on a number of countries that were ready to vote against it and were assisted, in several instances,  by their lackey, Walter White, head of the NAACP, which relied and still does on liberal Jews for funding. They got four countries to switch their votes from &#8220;no&#8221; to &#8220;yes&#8221; and seven to abstain.  Baruch warned the UN delegate that voting against partition would cost him US aid.</p>
<p>It is curious to see how much power the Jewish community was able to exert in this instance and on President Truman throughout his term in office, yet we are told these very same Jews did not have sufficient political clout to do anything to rescue the Jews of Europe just a year or two earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;transforming the middle east by getting rid of non compliant government such as iraq, and iran. &lt;/i&gt;

You don&#039;t get rid of &quot;non-compliant governments&quot; by obliterating the country. 

&quot;Strategic interests&quot; is generally taken to mean business or raw materials. The only raw materials the region has that anyone is seriously interested in is oil, and oil companies had no desire to see instability in the regions created via war, just as American business has no desire to see huge, largely untapped markets destroyed. 

American &quot;strategic interests&quot; are gained in every other part of the world via covert operations and the like, not waging wars. The wars in the Middle East are intended to destroy the countries and fragment the entire area in the interest of Israeli &quot;security,&quot; not to create a favorable environment for American business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>transforming the middle east by getting rid of non compliant government such as iraq, and iran. </i></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get rid of &#8220;non-compliant governments&#8221; by obliterating the country. </p>
<p>&#8220;Strategic interests&#8221; is generally taken to mean business or raw materials. The only raw materials the region has that anyone is seriously interested in is oil, and oil companies had no desire to see instability in the regions created via war, just as American business has no desire to see huge, largely untapped markets destroyed. </p>
<p>American &#8220;strategic interests&#8221; are gained in every other part of the world via covert operations and the like, not waging wars. The wars in the Middle East are intended to destroy the countries and fragment the entire area in the interest of Israeli &#8220;security,&#8221; not to create a favorable environment for American business.</p>
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		<title>By: coltsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>coltsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and for the last time no one here is talking about oil companies, we are talking about strategic interests. i.e transforming the middle east by getting rid of non compliant government such as iraq, and iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and for the last time no one here is talking about oil companies, we are talking about strategic interests. i.e transforming the middle east by getting rid of non compliant government such as iraq, and iran.</p>
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		<title>By: coltsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>coltsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry for the late reply you ask how would costly wars increase US strategic dominance in the middle east. First to the planners of the war this war wasn&#039;t supposed to be costly it was supposed to play for itself. Second a friendly government in IRaq allied with the US and letting the US have numerous megabases as it was originally dictated in the SoFA would definitely increase US dominance of the region. Keeping bases in Saudi Arabia was already proving too costly. Third removing a government that was unfriendly to the US, and replacing it with one that was supposed to be closely aligned with the US would definitely increase US dominance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for the late reply you ask how would costly wars increase US strategic dominance in the middle east. First to the planners of the war this war wasn&#8217;t supposed to be costly it was supposed to play for itself. Second a friendly government in IRaq allied with the US and letting the US have numerous megabases as it was originally dictated in the SoFA would definitely increase US dominance of the region. Keeping bases in Saudi Arabia was already proving too costly. Third removing a government that was unfriendly to the US, and replacing it with one that was supposed to be closely aligned with the US would definitely increase US dominance.</p>
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		<title>By: Brewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to digress but I just can&#039;t let RW&#039;s comment go unchallenged.
&lt;i&gt;&quot;As there was nothing democratic about the suppression of European Jews’ immigration in the 30’s, 40’s and late 40’s.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Not so. The overwhelming opposition to unlimited immigration is evidenced by the King Crane Commission - as if evidence was needed. No State would vote to allow wholesale immigration of one ethnic group to the point where it became a controlling bloc.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;As there was nothing democratic about the Arab uprising of the late 30’s&quot;&lt;i&gt;

This is an odd assertion. In the first place, the indigenous population were denied any form of democratic expression so they took the next step. An identical step was taken in what is now the U.S. in 1776 or thereabouts. I think most folk tend to view that little skirmish as the genesis of American Democracy

&lt;i&gt;&quot;  even though Israel was authorized by UN resolution and ratified.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Quite simply untrue. The &lt;b&gt;plan&lt;/b&gt; for partition was never ratified and the moment it was put on hold (at the insistence of the Americans who intended to create a bi-cultural State, Ben Gurion unilaterally declared Statehood in the full knowledge that War would ensue and with plans already laid for the expulsion of the indigenous people under the cover of general hostilities.

Israel&#039;s claim to be a Democratic State is really just a silly semantic game. Apart from the subtle racism practiced within the &quot;Jewish State&quot;, an occupation maintained for more than forty years during which the occupying power colonizes the subject territory is an annexation in all but name. It is only the label &quot;occupation&quot; that has allowed Israel totalitarian  rule outside the Green Line without incurring the World&#039;s condemnation. That is changing now that the internet has shone a light on the nature of the occupation.

Incidentally, do &quot;settlers&quot; in the OT get to vote in Israeli elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to digress but I just can&#8217;t let RW&#8217;s comment go unchallenged.<br />
<i>&#8220;As there was nothing democratic about the suppression of European Jews’ immigration in the 30’s, 40’s and late 40’s.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Not so. The overwhelming opposition to unlimited immigration is evidenced by the King Crane Commission &#8211; as if evidence was needed. No State would vote to allow wholesale immigration of one ethnic group to the point where it became a controlling bloc.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;As there was nothing democratic about the Arab uprising of the late 30’s&#8221;</i><i></p>
<p>This is an odd assertion. In the first place, the indigenous population were denied any form of democratic expression so they took the next step. An identical step was taken in what is now the U.S. in 1776 or thereabouts. I think most folk tend to view that little skirmish as the genesis of American Democracy</p>
<p></i><i>&#8221;  even though Israel was authorized by UN resolution and ratified.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Quite simply untrue. The <b>plan</b> for partition was never ratified and the moment it was put on hold (at the insistence of the Americans who intended to create a bi-cultural State, Ben Gurion unilaterally declared Statehood in the full knowledge that War would ensue and with plans already laid for the expulsion of the indigenous people under the cover of general hostilities.</p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s claim to be a Democratic State is really just a silly semantic game. Apart from the subtle racism practiced within the &#8220;Jewish State&#8221;, an occupation maintained for more than forty years during which the occupying power colonizes the subject territory is an annexation in all but name. It is only the label &#8220;occupation&#8221; that has allowed Israel totalitarian  rule outside the Green Line without incurring the World&#8217;s condemnation. That is changing now that the internet has shone a light on the nature of the occupation.</p>
<p>Incidentally, do &#8220;settlers&#8221; in the OT get to vote in Israeli elections?</p>
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