Haaretz: "US Army psychiatrist of Palestinian origin kills 12 at Texas post"
h/t Seham
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Christ All Mighty…the radicals never miss a beat. Soon if they are honest we will find out how many of the victims were killed or injured by “friendly fire” hat that term
How is this any different than the FYI-Jerusalem post on here?
That headline was – accurately – predicting this one.
ok, that’s fair enough….
What do you think the significance of the headline is?
Look at your headline.
That’s not as bad as their first headline “the shooter likely cried out “Allah akbar”"
here’s the first report on their ticker ”
15:02 Top U.S. army official: Texas army base shooter likely shouted `Allah Akbar` (AP)
let’s make sure we demonize muslims while we’re at it….
The only one demonizing Islam is the shooter,
You’re not helping the blood libel myth getting dispelled by constantly feeding on carrion, Yonira.
@ Yonira
So, using your logic, the only people demonizing Judiasm are Bernie Madoff and the human organ-trafficking Rabbis from NY…..
So him yelling “Allah Akbar” is good for Islam? is that what you are saying?
Because one person saying it ‘likely’ happened without actually witnessing it suddenly makes its fact, huh.
You people make me sick! The man was a psychiatrist, for God’s sake!
I guess psychiatrists are inherently violent, enemies of America and civilization.
A neocon think tank would’ve been a higher value target.
Here’s one specially for you, America First! I read this morning that tea-baggers at the Capitol rally yesterday were carrying signs “Obama takes orders from the Rothschilds”
I never would have believed it if somebody told me, but I read it at TPM.
I wonder if it’s true?
Ahhh more conspiracy theories, they also had pictures of Dachau (not sure if your particular ilk believes the Holocaust happened though)
yopnira, did you mean to say “your particular elk believes the Holacaust blah, blah, blah” Because a Moose may be a Joose but the elk is very different sort of ungulate. Moose are the ones with palmate antlers, like a big Menorah.
And I’ll make you a deal, baby. You believe in the nakba, of course? I’m sure the Holocaust is just as real, and even worse.
Yeah, but yonira believes the Holocaust only happened to Jews. Screw the Poles, Slavs, homosexuals, intellectuals, etc. that were slaughtered who weren’t Jews. It’s not like he can cash in on those deaths!
Well, not quite, just from Goldman Sachs and the other Wall Street leaders; same as McCain would have done if he had been elected. BTW, Mooser, have you ever read The House Of Rothschild: Money’s Prophets, by Niall Ferguson? What do you think of the Bush JR-Obama bailout?
Screw you Chaos, you don’t have a clue what I believe…..
I believe you’re too idiotic to even find the right “reply” button for starters. Or did you claim this homeland as your rightful homeland too? Have a bunch of forged documentation that your great great great grandmother lived on this spot before there was a “reply” button, too? Maybe you’re planning on having all the “reply” buttons rounded up and hearded into one big concentration camp, like Gaza?
I think you’ve given a lot of clues about what you believe – in Islamophobia and hate.
TPMMuckraker:
Conservative Says Hasan Acted On Orders Of Muslim Brotherhood!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/conservatives_say_nidal_malik_hasan_is_muslim_brot.php
Forget the headline. Incase you didn’t recognize the ethnic origin of the gunmen, the New York Times describes him as a “chubby-faced man with HEAVY EYEBROWS”!!! When did the Times start paying attention to eyebrows? Um, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, two angry, misguided teenagers, with matching arched eyebrows walked into Columbine High School today….OR…Bernard Madoff, a short, stout wall-street maven with immaculately-coiffed eyebrows….OR…Timothy McVeigh, a slender, athletic, former army reservist with white-bred, middle-american eyebrows. Anti-semites focus on noses. The New York Times focuses on eyebrows. It’s all bigotry.
Just keep pushing that “armed society is a polite society” mishethos (a Yiddish word meaning “wow, is your outlook screwy”), guys. You will go straight to the top with ideas like that. Breaking at TPM:
Another Shooting
Details are sketchy, but all three major cable networks are reporting a shooting at an office in Orlando. The suspected shooter is apparently still on the loose, and around eight people have reportedly already been shot
No doubt, the shooter had some very important etiquette lessons to impart to these eight people. As Emily Post said “say it with bullets”
And don’t ever forget what Meow, my cat said: “All bullets flow from the barrel of a gun”
It’s a Hispanic guy.
Now watch to see how many headlines condemn Catholic terrorism and immigration.
SPIC TERRORIST IN CATHOLIC RAMPAGE IN ORLANDO.
Gunman was heard to say, “Bless me Father for I have sinned” before opening fire.
Yeah, really. Zionism isn’t racism! Nooo… what do you mean, Palestinians get treated differently by the media?
A golden opportunity for the pro-Israel “Islamophobes” to bash Islam and Muslims, likes of Robert Spencer, the owner of “Jihad Watch” blog and author of nine anti-Islam books – one the ten Zionist voted as the “Dirty Dozen” for being the top “Islamophobe” in the US a few years ago – was the first to post “Jihad at Fort Hood? Shooter: Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan”. However, he was pissed off later that except the Hasbara websites – much of the media did not follow his anti-Muslim hysteria.
“No one, no one at all, in the mainstream media is discussing jihad as a motification,” whined Spencer.
One wonder why such warmongering idiots don’t mention “Crusade in US” or “Samson attacks America” – when Jiverly Wong killed 14 people on April 3, 2009 or Michael McLendon killed 10 people on March 10, 2009 or Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people and wounded 35 on April 16, 2007 – Dylan Klebold (a Jew) murdered 12 students at Columbine High Sechool on April 20, 1999 or George Hennard killed 23 people on October 16, 1991 or Pat Sherrill killed 14 postal workers on August 20, 1986 or James Oliver Huberty who killed 21 people in a McDonald’s restaurant on July 18, 1984 or George Bankwho killed 12 members of his family and a bystander on September 25, 1982 or Charles Whitman (a Jew) killed 16 peoplein Austin on August 1, 1966.
Robert Spencer, surprisingly did not find Nidal’s link to Hamas, Hizb’Allah, Al-Qaeda or Taliban.
The truth is that American is home is the most violent and racist culture and most of the average 11,000 people killed annually (the highest number in the world) – are not due to religious reasons but due to the social frystration created by the Zionist-controlled Hollywood and the mainstream media.
” are not due to religious reasons but due to the social frystration created by the Zionist-controlled Hollywood and the mainstream media”
No doubt taking orders from the Rotschilds! This is why I refuse to get cable. You get one of those frustrating Zionist controlled Hollywood messgaes, and next thing you know, you’re out there looking like Jimmy Cliff in the “Harder They Fall” poster, a gat in each hand, blazing away while “Have a Negilah and Tequila” is playing in your head. Terrifying.
And I heard the Roths adults are even worse than those Roths childs!
Hey, last night on late tv I was watching that movie about the Nakba, starring
Bruce Willis… Then I watched a bunch of Hollywood moves about how young doper arab americans went to White Castle to drown their status in delicious steamed onion sliders.
Why do you guys always lie? Whitman was not a Jew. Klebold’s mother was certainly not jewish, making it impossible for Klebold to be a Jew. Huis family were members of a Lutheran church. Good try though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0599/klebold1.asp
Impossible? What about the exception to the maternal blood line theory of Jewish ID, the notion you can covert so long as you stand on your head and recite the Torah & Talmud verbatim? And what about the Israeli law of who is a Jew for purposes of the law of return, you know, the one they copied from the Nuremberg race laws?
Rehmet,
did all these ‘Jewish’ mass murders recite the Shma before killing? don’t try to link something that isn’t there…. speaking of which no links to your shit blog?
Don’t you have some Palestinian children to rough up and steal their lunch money? Or maybe some American soldiers to ridicule? You disgusting little blackheart.
Charles Whitman (a Jew) killed 16 people…
Oh, please, cut the anti-Semitism. “Charles” is so not a Jewish name.
Yeah, just ask Mooser; he’s the guy who sees a fallacy of ethnic entitlement between a z and an s in the name Elizabeth. And that’s from a guy who says he’s not kosher!
Why do I feel guilty? Ashamed, yes. But why do I feel guilty?
Because you see what Witty does not see, that average innocent Americans are dying, being maimed, being sucked dry by Israel First taxes and if you say something it could really hurt your family, while Witty et ilk can say whatever he wants
and get away scot free, and in fact with special US government protection?
You shouldn’t feel guilty or ashamed. I don’t.
I feel annoyed.
It seems that everyone at work that has no melanin wanted to discuss this with me and get my “thoughts” (I’ve never discuss my racial makeup/politics with those that sought me out today). The only co-workers that had the sense not to bring this up with me were African-American and Latino.
I’ve just come to the realization that Whitey McWhitey doesn’t have any sense or shame.
To our credit, there are some of us white people that are penitent. (Not many, it doesn’t seem, admittedly.)
Sorry Whitey McWhitey! :(
Don’t worry about it. It’s been a long, hard struggle but I’ve just about overcome my whitishness. ;)
So, Seham, what did you tell these Whitey McWhiteys? Did you try to suggest that
maybe they should get their leaders to revamp American foreign policy to be more humane and in the best interests of their own nation and the world? Surely you know most average USA citizens work all day, are mainly concerned with paying their bills, are not trained in analysis of US foreign policy? In this sense they are like the average citizen anywhere, even in the best of Western nations where education is held highest and state supported for all. You may be confusing victims of manipulated ignorance with outright shameless people?
I said, “ya… saw it on the news. sucks.” And then I turned around and ran to Mondoweiss to leave the comment!
Seham, I’m sorry. Please explain what you mean by your response to my comment. It was an honest question I posed to you. I really do want to know what and how you think about it. Consider this a second request that you answer my question. Thanks for your time.
Actually? Citizen, from my own experience and from what I’ve heard, people from the Middle East are generally far more informed on politics, international and otherwise. I’ve been told that the average Middle Eastern child of six could probably hold his own in a political conversation. And from what I’ve seen, I believe it.
And you’re also right about the manipulated ignorance. Too many of my fellow Americans I’ve encountered treat politics like it’s some unfathomable, mystical realm that they neither have any hope of comprehending nor have any urgent need to participate in. And seriously… it’s not rocket science. But Americans have been convinced that politics is just not for the “common people.” The founding fathers would probably be mortified by that attitude.
I know that the correct answer is that I am supposed to take the time to educate people on what is important to me whenever the opportunities arise. But sometimes, I just don’t want to. My initial reaction to being interrogated about my views on the shooting were:
-what kind of answer do they expect from me?
-what do they want to hear?
What I mean by them being shameless is that Americans voted for Bush twice. Even if they stole the elections, it was close enough that they could get away with stealing it. Why are they questioning me about my views on a shooting in Tx? I didn’t interrogate all the white folk I know about the 1 million dead Iraqis. I didn’t interrogate the white folk I know about the dead Gazans last year either, and this country paid for that massacre. So my initial reaction to being asked those questions was that the questioners were ignorant and a bit racist and that it was a waste of time to bother explaining anything to them. I don’t think those would people would get it. If I said something to them about foreign policy they would just think that I was condoning or justifying. They’d never get it.
I wish you were wrong about that, Seham, but I’ve come to the rather painful realization that most white people won’t even listen to other white people when they point out the stuff you bring up.
I strive to educate when my patience holds out; if one doesn’t have patience at the moment, what you opted to do is probably for the best.
Citizen, sorry this was my response to you *But I did answer it right after you asked… when they approached me I did say, “yeah saw it on the news, sucks” and then I went back to work :
Seham November 6, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I know that the correct answer is that I am supposed to take the time to educate people on what is important to me whenever the opportunities arise. But sometimes, I just don’t want to. My initial reaction to being interrogated about my views on the shooting were:
-what kind of answer do they expect from me?
-what do they want to hear?
What I mean by them being shameless is that Americans voted for Bush twice. Even if they stole the elections, it was close enough that they could get away with stealing it. Why are they questioning me about my views on a shooting in Tx? I didn’t interrogate all the white folk I know about the 1 million dead Iraqis. I didn’t interrogate the white folk I know about the dead Gazans last year either, and this country paid for that massacre. So my initial reaction to being asked those questions was that the questioners were ignorant and a bit racist and that it was a waste of time to bother explaining anything to them. I don’t think those would people would get it. If I said something to them about foreign policy they would just think that I was condoning or justifying. They’d never get it.
Chaos,
“I’ve been told that the average Middle Eastern child of six could probably hold his own in a political conversation. And from what I’ve seen, I believe it.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H39i5tYTxaI
Translation:
I would tell him to come see our condition, our children, how they are left in classrooms, on the tile floor, no carpet, no food, no water, no electricity.
Is this life? This is siege; this is the biggest siege, the greatest siege by Israel.
I would tell him look and see how we are living; we’re left here, we don’t get to play, we don’t get to laugh, we don’t get to learn, we don’t get to see kids’ shows. I turn the TV on; all I see is funerals, shooting, death, war, tanks, and invasion.
I don’t find kid’s show that I can pass time, learn from. I don’t find cartoons to play (sic), watch and pass time. Everything is funerals and carrying martyrs and shooting.
We here, we don’t have food, no water, no drinks, nothing. We are left here like beggars.
Look at the other people, how they play, have fun, and laugh. We are under
siege, nearly two years under siege. We don’t get food or water; they have done
nothing for us. They did not even open the border crossings so food and other
things can get in.
Thank you for the video, and for the translation — I am reminded that I desperately need to finish learning Arabic (were that I had the time and money to take the extra course load at school for more semesters of it, but I will have to find ways to learn it on my own and from friends).
Palestinian children are forced to grow up so fast, just to survive. I admittedly didn’t pick up much on my own from what he said (lack of vocabulary on my part) but I can hear in the kid’s tone how mature and expressive (and outraged) he is.
You know, if I can be allowed to be immodest, I was a pretty smart, politically aware kid when I was young (I read “Bloom County” and later “Outland” in the Sunday comics when I was around that kid’s age, it was my favorite and I did get most of the jokes in it) but even I was never that cogent. I suppose a Palestinian child can’t afford not to be, though. This reminds me of the clips I saw of similar interviews in Occupation 101 — and those predates the siege and massacre of Gaza.
It’s a tragedy that words cannot fully express in magnitude. I understand why you’ve reacted the way you have. “Annoyed” even doesn’t really cover it, Seham, and I give you credit — were I in your shoes, I have to confess that I would probably be an uncontrollably violent person (you can already see how I react on these forums, and that’s to outrages that are a bare fraction of this)
To be honest, I dont think its a “white” thing. I think its more of a Christian thing.
I think it’s an Amurrikan thing.
It’s not just whites or Americans. I was in E. Asia on and after 9/11 and had a dozen or so local colleagues offer their condolences together with their outrage at Muslims, who were a problem for their country too. I took the opportunity to explain to a few of them who controls US foreign policy, and stressed how their names were not likely to be much represented among the NYPD and NYFD dead at the WTC site.
Seham,
If its so bad living here Seham, if you feel so offended, so threatened………
Cry me a damn river man.
You’re a sad excuse for a Jew, yonira. Proud Jews that I’ve met don’t act hideous like you do. I’ll bet you’re not even a real Jew, are you? You’re one of those fake Russian pretenders merely looking for a free ride, maybe? Change your name to something vaguely Jewish-sounding and then bam! Free ride to the US, or Israel, or whatnot?
By As’ad: Haaretz Racism
Look at this headline in the “liberal” Israeli newspaper: “U.S. Army psychiatrist of Palestinian origin kills 12 at Texas post”. Zionists don’t notice how much they mimic anti-Semites when they express their hostility and hatred for Arabs.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/11/haaretz-racism.html
I’m glad somebody else has taken note. Sometimes it damn near feels like I’m the only one.
Imagine this as a headline: “American Jew orchestrates biggest one-man scam in US fiscal history, and this dead center in Wall Street’s bailout scam on the USA population”–and the article proceed, “Bernie Madoff….”
Well, all I have to say is the MSM did not bring up the fact Madoff was Jewish at all; lesser outlets did but only to point out his biggest victims came from his own community of people–although that’s even misleading, considering many of his victims from that community, now suing him, over the year came out with a net plus. Otherwise, who ever talks about the obvious high percentage of Jews on Wall Street, or while discussing the tight partnership between the Fed, Treasury, and orgs like Goldman Sachs, etc? Great. I’m am an anti-semite for even pointing this out. So should I point out the high number of Jews in influential neocon slots in the government and media and stink tanks? Great, now I really came out of the anti-semitic closet. I was just at a local wine and booze store (because I’m Irish and German of course); while there the guy next behind me in the checkout line got a call on his cell from his son, who was calling him from Fort Hood. His dad told me and the checkout lady that at least three others had also done shootings there simultaneously with the frustrated and crazed Palestinian American shrink. He said it wasn’t on the news, but his son’s been at Ft Hood for a number of years, one of those guys who
keeps getting shipped back to our wars against the Muslims like the guys who kept getting sent back into the battle of the Bulge, the “ragmen”–no, no, not Kirk Douglas’s daddy; the ones sent back repeatedly into the inferno by US Army shrinks.
Anyway, so far I’ve not seen in the MSM nor the internet any news of the other shooters–will I? And if so, will be interesting to read their profiles. Meanwhile, talk radio is going off the hook with Muslim terrorists in our midst, and how a key point of their religion and their koran is that only the Muslim god is great and gives them licence to do whatever they want to the infidels; the Other in Buber’s terms I guess. Ever see one of those video clips on YouTube with an Israel women hissing racial slurs at some Palestinian woman confined behind bars across her home? Jeez. I told the GI Daddy and the checkout woman, ” We never shoulda attacked Iraq under Shrub, and we should get out of there and Afghanistan, the sinkhole of history, but who will listen to us? I wanted to add we should support Ron Paul and David Kucinich
on foreign policy and the Fed Reserve–but I know they were already full up–the dad just was happy his GI son had not been maimed (for the third time) and the cashier
was concerned but not at all up on the breaking foreign policy news coming home to roost. The GI dad pointed to the bottles of booze he was buying, saying, “Hey why do you think I’m buying this?” Nice. There’s a portrait of our current times. History really does repeat itself; old wine in new bottles. Might be a bible lesson there?
German and Irish? That’s an explosive combination. Speaking as someone who inherits from half that equation of course.
Levity being out of the way… I continue to be disturbed at the occlusion of the news on this. I’ve heard about the “multiple shooters” aspect too, though it’s not been reliably confirmed, and tentatively denied, in the news. And then again, we are talking twelve dead, 31 injured, and supposedly that was done by one crazed man with two handguns? And he was a military psychiatrist, too, not a commando.
I wish I knew what to think. There’s a danger in jumping to conclusions — either from our now-compromised mass media news or (and no offense is intended at all, Citizen) from rumors and hearsay (insofar as the story you heard was, technically, second hand when you got it from the GI’s father, who got it over cell phone). This is starting to smell like a cover up, with how the news is vacillating back in forth in the details of what happened. But how can one be sure? (But of course, that’s the point of a cover-up). Is it a cover up? Or has our own military gotten stretched so thin and abused by armchair generals at the Pentagon that this really is the total breakdown in unity, communication and security that this is looking like right now?
Thanks for the post, Citizen. It was very poignant.
Thanks Chaos. I swear, I told you what I had just experienced. I have no clue why a guy next behind me in the checkout counter at a booze and wine store would suddenly make anyting up. He merely heard me mention to the cashier that I had been following the Fort Hood incident and he was right then and there on his cell phone wire at the time–straight from his son at Fort Hood. Make of the incident what you want. I did my part, by imparting it.
Oh, it’s not that I don’t believe the story, I’m seeking to be objective. We’re being told contradictory information; what does one believe? What does that mean? I’m worried that it means that our news outlets and our government are lying to us — again.
I heard that Madoff was Jewish on BBC world. In an interview Madoff’s lawyer said Madoff got a lot of antisemitic hate mail. That’s also a way to announce it. I recall thinking ‘is this lawyer trying to be smart here or not?’
It was all in the headlines of the Israeli papers. They obsess on who is Jewish and what they’ve done, for good or ill.
witty have you recieved your check bonus from the israeli government ..it is friday was there a bonus?
Funny how when it is a jewish person a reason and explaination along with the facts are always ..well hidden from the public media and not repeated for days on end to stir up what the facts are let alone hidding the facts. What happened to the two in custody and what nationality are they…funny how two pistols which hold a total of sixteen shots have injured 30 people this stinks to hell of the usual brand of co- operative people in the israeli government just as the passport of the 911 attacks happened to survive the inferno. The world is getting sick and our butts are tired of being screwed by the usual suspects…and they are not muslims.
I gotta say, he had two pistols, one semi-automatic, the other not. Hard to imagine that amount of damage from that before he was subdued. I read he reloaded one pistol once. Something’s missing in this narrative.
I gotta say, he had two pistols, one semi-automatic, the other not. Hard to imagine that amount of damage from that before he was subdued. I read he reloaded one pistol once. Something’s missing in this narrative.
I stand corrected, however the facts people never get to know such as what made him snap. I recall a person whom chopped up somebody and fled to israel and another whom skated his way to israel after an offense and many others . One guy personally I grew up with whom has been brainwashed by the crazy idiology of a god, when I explained to him the results of the god dillusion which is terrible to think so many people believe in something that never existed in the first place, it has put a monkey wrench into what the belief system put there by israel. Maybe he did reload and have clips my bad for not seeing that clear, what can be said about the rest of the worlds nieve belief in a non existant god. Those are facts hard pressed to change ever. But what became of the two that were arrested are they americans too, cause the man hassan was driven by the insanity placed into the minds of so many he was trying to help and look at the result…bad things happen to good people. Sooner or later the truths will arise, too many lies by the wickedness that call themselves leaders and the cronnie followers. My bet is it could be the result of the very same idiology put into place that runs throughout the so called USA government which should really be the israeli government. A small thing always leads to bigger and more terrible things and whom do the 3% ever care about only themseleves which is fine, but enough of the boo hoo already the facts that the crimes against humanity will NEVER rest until justice is served on a silver platter to all that follow..no matter what the color of their skin or idiology they follow. People will eventually flip and snap when they realize they have been lied to about god and the bible and to feel sorry for them is not in my agenda, they have had time enough to think for themseleves…too bad for the world we could be enjoying while breaking bread across from one another..willingly.
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