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Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:20:34 +0000

[...] There is an old American proverb: Put your money where your mouth is [...]

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:26:51 +0000

Don’t apologize. Actually thanks for sharing that. Some things are worth breaching in as tangents.

By: James Bradley

James Bradley — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:10:11 +0000

Sorry super tangent here.

But I believe this video is a must see.

link to youtube.com

By: potsherd

potsherd — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:43:31 +0000

Yes, I think Obama cluelessly broke it while he was trying to wind it up, and now it’s irrevocably dead. Not that you would know this from his administration’s remarks as they labor upon the corpse of Humpty Dumpty. But the world now knows that Obama has rendered himself irrelevant.

But now it really becomes a question as to where will matters go next, as it now seems they will finally be going somewhere. And despite the consensus here, it would seem that the Fayyad plan, the unilateral state, has more fire under it at the moment.

And here is where I start to wonder about the Daytonistas, where they fit into this picture. Where are their loyalties? Will they be the instruments of a coup against the unilateral state? As a foreign element, it’s all too likely to see them turning on the Fatah militants. Then what? A sudden epiphany on the part of the Palestinians that maybe their disunity is only serving the enemy? A coalition of Fatah and Hamas?

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:13:14 +0000

Alright. You want a serious discussion. I agree 100% with Barghouti. Unless some other party steps in with a genuine interest at being a third party mediator (off hand, I could see that maybe being Europe, but I'm not going to put money on it. There are other parties who could but I don't believe they have the courage to do so) there is nothing left for the Palestinians to do but make a unilateral stand against the Israeli push to strip them of their sovereignty, rights, property and dignity. There is no negotiating with a nation that can break any rule, any rule whatsoever, without consequence. I think on some level, in the long term, Obama actually did humanity a favor by teaching us that relying upon the better nature and the good intentions of the United States is just as much folly as chasing a rainbow to find the pot of gold at its end.

By: potsherd

potsherd — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:51:22 +0000

Here link to palestinemonitor.org
is a link Phil posted to a significant speech by Mustapha Barghouti. Maybe it could be discussed here, instead of the circus tent.

By: potsherd

potsherd — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:46:15 +0000

What I was not aware of is the extent of the purge of Fatah men – of Palestinian Palestinians – from the force. And the exclusion of educated men – this is downright sinister.

That this force is intended to overthrow any Palestinian government that gets uppity can’t be doubted. And Lo! an uppity independent Palestinian state is beginning to arise.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:27:07 +0000

The long article asserts that Dayton’s scheme at root is to protect Israel’s security (from a possible/probable rise in Muslim power) when US Troops start leaving Iraq en masse–
by promising the primarily Jordan-sourced Palestinian “New Men” (trained by US same as puppet Iraq men are–at the same place in fact) that their collaboration with Israel-US is a way to ultimately lead to a Palestine state. The problem is Palestinians are ever more aware that the matrix being constructed would in turn allow only
for a fake Palestinian state at best still controlled top to bottom by Israel.

By: potsherd

potsherd — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:50:06 +0000

Must-read link, cogit!

By: Tuyzentfloot

Tuyzentfloot — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:26:35 +0000

I’ve dwelled on the issue of pragmatism before and I use a spectrum(till I come up with something better). First you need a concept of ludecy, which is the ability to know and play the rules of the game- in this case the game of politics. If you don’t understand the game and are willing to play it you lose. Simple. The spectrum:
- game players: all that counts is the game, if you survive and gain power, you’re doing right. A bit like economic fundamentalism.
- weak pragmatism: you do have valuable aims but you’re so involved in political survival and caution you’re only pursuing them half heartedly, and you regret it.
- strong pragmatism: you know the rules, take them in account, but bloodymindedly pursue things that matter.
- principled behaviour: principles trump rules. Occasionally this will be successful. Usually you end up on the outside of the game.
Obama looks like a weak pragmatist to me, not a game fundamentalist. He did stick his neck out in the I/P issue, aligning himself with the Kadima camp, but without the necessary bloodymindedness.