NYT protects its readers from a small newspaper’s criticisms of Israel

Israel/Palestine
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I’m sorry to go after the Times so much, but I’m at my parents, and I love reading the actual newspaper. Today there’s a long piece in the Times about the Berkeley Daily Planet newspaper being accused of anti-Semitism because of its criticisms of Israel and Jews. The editor of the paper, Becky O’Malley, 69, a veteran journalist, is plainly in my camp on the Israel lobby. She says, Why of all subjects in the world is Israel off-limits? Why can’t we talk about this vital issue? "Frankly the term that crossed my mind was ‘protection racket,’" O’Malley says. Right.

And what are the examples that the reporter, Jesse McKinley, offers of this taboo speech? Two vile anti-Semitic comments in letters that the editor published because she believes so much in free speech.

In short: Not a word about the anti-Israel criticism that the Daily Planet is publishing. I’m sure a lot of it is close to stuff we publish here. Why, Henry Norr writes for the Daily Planet, and I believe he’s an anti-Zionist Jew.

When you are reading the Times article, notice that this is not some casual business. No: businesses are waging a war against the Daily Planet, it has lost 60 percent of ad revenues because of the stance that the brave editor has taken. She has laid off reporters and is doing a fundraising drive.

A protection racket– and how far does it go? Shouldn’t the Times have told us anything about that stance? Shouldn’t the Times pass along at least a taste of the criticism of Israel so that its readers can make up their minds about how whacky that editor is? Walt and Mearsheimer called the Israel lobby a "loose coalition" of partisans of the Jewish state, and included some Times coverage. This story is an example why.

86 Responses

  1. Oscar
    November 28, 2009, 12:20 pm

    Interestingly enough, the Times article skipped any reference to its own vicitimization in 2002 of an organized boycott. Maybe because the NYT is now indoctrinated as a house organ of AIPAC and doesn’t want to rock the boat.

    I posted this last night, so at the risk of redundancy, here it is:
    link to nytimes.com

    I thought it was disturbing that the Times article published nasty personal attacks from Gertz.

    On his Web site and in a written report he has assembled, Mr. Gertz has called Ms. O’Malley “brutish,” “a second-rate intellect” and “ungifted” and suggested she may have learned what he calls anti-Semitic views while growing up in a largely non-Jewish community in Pasadena, Calif.

    “It never occurred to me, frankly, till somebody submitted the research to us about her background, to begin to ask the question of, well, ‘Maybe she learned this stuff on her daddy’s knee,’ ” Mr. Gertz said.

    Feeling the hate in Berkeley! Where did Mr. Gertz learn so much hate? On his daddy’s knee?

    • Chaos4700
      November 28, 2009, 1:10 pm

      In 2002 Zionists organized a boycott that basically goaded the NYT into folding on its journalistic integrity.

      In 2003, they helped to “discredit” Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was desperately trying to prevent us from making the mistake of invading Iraq on a lie.

      Six years later, we’re still in Iraq, or military is stretched thin, the government budget is a hollowed-out mess of giveaways to war contractors and the economy is in shambles, on its way to a so-called “jobless recovery.”

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 1:25 pm

        Chaos,

        the government budget is a hollowed-out mess of giveaways to war contractors and the economy is in shambles, on its way to a so-called “jobless recovery.”

        Are you blaming the global economic problems on Jews and Zionists?

      • Cliff
        November 28, 2009, 1:31 pm

        Cue Schindler’s List theme song –

        I think he is yonira-san! Quick to the anti-semitism mobile!

        Light the Foxman signal! It’s the Holocaust all over again….times over 9000!

      • potsherd
        November 28, 2009, 1:36 pm

        To the extent that the neocons are comprised of Jews and Zionists, they certainly must be held responsible for the US budgetary deficit resulting from the Iraq invasion. Israel enjoys socialist medicine thanks to US taxpayers, but the US can’t afford to offer it to its own citizens because the neocons wasted the money.

      • James Bradley
        November 28, 2009, 3:02 pm

        Unfortunately most neocons are Jewish or identity as Zionists.

        Now that does not mean most Jews are neocons. In fact most Jews in the United States distance themselves from neocon fantasies.

        But can we blame a lot of the mess we are in right now on the neocons? I would say yes we can.

      • Chaos4700
        November 28, 2009, 3:03 pm

        Are you blaming the global economic problems on Jews and Zionists?

        Quote me, yonira, the part of my post whereby I blame anything on the Jews.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        November 28, 2009, 4:07 pm

        Well, Yonira, if one were to round up the most likely suspects, that’s who you will find posing for the mugshots. Shall we start with Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Maurice Greenberg, Lloyd “God made me do it” Blankfein. and don’t forget that sweet lady, Penny Pritzker from Chicago, the Obama campaign’s treasurer, from a big-time Zionist family, whose bank was among the first to start making those “subprime” loans. That’s why she dropped out of the running as BO’s Commerce Secretary.

        And then, of course, we shouldn’t overlook the Iraq war, which even former AIPAC political director, Doug Bloomfield, wrote, was hatched by the neocons. So, if you want a one word answer to your question, I would argue that it is, “Yes.”

      • MRW
        November 28, 2009, 4:10 pm

        Ari Shavit answered you, yonira:

        In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit. The philosophical underpinnings of the Washington neoconservatives are the writings of Machiavelli, Hobbes and Edmund Burke. They also admire Winston Churchill and the policy pursued by Ronald Reagan. They tend to read reality in terms of the failure of the 1930s (Munich) versus the success of the 1980s (the fall of the Berlin Wall).

        Are they wrong? Have they committed an act of folly in leading Washington to Baghdad? They don’t think so. They continue to cling to their belief. They are still pretending that everything is more or less fine. That things will work out. Occasionally, though, they seem to break out in a cold sweat. This is no longer an academic exercise, one of them says, we are responsible for what is happening. The ideas we put forward are now affecting the lives of millions of people. So there are moments when you’re scared. You say, Hell, we came to help, but maybe we made a mistake.

        From White man’s burden in Haaretz link to z.pe

      • MRW
        November 28, 2009, 4:16 pm

        And BTW, yonira, the Zionist/neocons listed in Shavit’s article and the ones Blankfort named in his post have made the same mess of America’s economy and world status that the Zionists have made, and are making, of Israel.

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 6:52 pm

        Cliff, that was a post to me and a post to Witty where you didn’t call us Nazis. Thank you. I know we are at odds with each other and have far different opinions. But words like that do hurt both Witty and myself.

      • potsherd
        November 28, 2009, 7:08 pm

        Here, yonira
        link to ynetnews.com

      • Citizen
        November 28, 2009, 7:18 pm

        Oh my gosh, please no! Perish the anti=semitic thoughtaaaaaaaaaaaaa!. Israel First is not American foreign policy! The USA congress is all 4 USA 1st!

      • Chaos4700
        November 28, 2009, 7:49 pm

        Poor, poor yonira, always picking fights he can’t win. His poor little feelings bruise so easily. You’d think he’d know better than to come out with fists swinging if he’s got a glass jaw but then, that’s very emblematic of Zionism.

      • Cliff
        November 28, 2009, 8:24 pm

        I don’t believe you took offense, Nazi. I don’t consider you Jewish in any good sense of the identity. I think you are first and foremost a racist and bigot. A shallow nationalist.

        And I’m never talking about the actual historical event, the Holocaust, I’m talking about the ideological bludgeon – the Holocau$t. There is the event and then how the event is used for political reasons. I am talking about the marketing ploy, the emotional blackmail, and the idolatry.

        You have made insulting and despicable statements toward Palestinian children. Mocking the people of Gaza for painting stripes on donkeys to lighten up the day for the children there (you juxtaposed this to an Israeli winning the Nobel) after your Nazi State butchered 1400 people in 22 days.

        Following this typical trend of both materialism and chauvinism – you have in the past also stated that the Palestinians are not ready for ‘Globalization’ (a whole other issue and a word that has 2 meanings, when used by the US and it’s allies).

        And most revealing of your conscience or lack thereof and any kind of humanism you may have left in you – you went on about how Anna Baltzer is both young and attractive (the context being a reply you made to my angst-ridden comment about the phoniness of Jewish liberals and how they view Palestinians merely as ‘clay of Jewish humanism’).

        Again you focused here on one of two things – the physical.

        You are a supremacist. You can’t think about things like right and wrong – only about power. I mean it’s kind of creepy that you even brought up Anna’s physical features but what else are you capable of? Intellectually-speaking.

        So when you insult ‘us’ – you refer to shallow materialism (context being, A) Palestinians trying to rebuild their community w/ the meager resources they have vs. Israel w/ it’s first-world power/etc. achieving something a first-word power could achieve and B) chauvinism – ‘Anna’ (in quotations because she doesn’t really exist to you other than that she is a Jew and ‘successful’) is attractive and intelligent and most importantly, Jewish, hence you feel a sense of ‘entitlement’ or ownership to ‘Anna’ and you can use her Jewish identity to further your own supremacist feelings (i.e., You may think: even the Jews on ‘their side’ are better than ‘them’).

        So I don’t give a shit about the feelings of a fucking Nazi. I call it as I see it. You’re not complicated. You’re a dime a dozen loser. Without Zionism, you’re a nobody.

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 9:01 pm

        Potsherd,

        yeah what is your point? The Haredi are as ass backwards as anyone in the ME, Luckily Israel is by and large a secular state.

        link to ynetnews.com

        If i were in Israel right now I’d most definately be in this group, not w/ the shit for brain Haredi, they cost the Israelis more than the occupation does.

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 9:13 pm

        Well, I am a loser w/ a people and that people has the state of Israel. Although you seem to remember every post I have written on here and managed to twist basically everything I’ve said, you don’t have a fucking clue who I am or what I think.

        All of this hatred you have is a prime example of why the Palestinians will never have shit, because they can’t get past their tragic past. It sucks what happened, but there is no way to change history. Israel is going no where, you aren’t going to wipe any more Jews out, sorry Cliff, there is myself and millions like me who will NEVER allow it to happen again.

        And this Anna Baltzer thing, I said she was pretty, thats it and you have a fucking 2 paragraph diatribe about my opinion of her, simply based on one sentence. Again you don’t have a fucking clue about what I think of her, seems like you forgot the part where I said she was courageous, huh you fucking Nazi fuck.

        The saddest part is, you are probably twice my age and you act like a child. I can understand Chaos, he is an ideological college student, I even admire his passion. But you, you’re simply an angry old man who thinks calling someone a Nazi will further his cause.

      • Chaos4700
        November 28, 2009, 9:37 pm

        they cost the Israelis more than the occupation does.

        That’s not exactly true. The occupation costs the American taxpayers, who pay for the IDF.

        And your “people” are a bunch of dilettante land thieves. Like Cliffy boy, I don’t associate you with Judaism — you’re 100% Zionist, yonira, and that’s the biggest threat the Jewish people as a whole have ever had to face. The Haredi, for starters, know it and live it — just look how youtreeat your fellow Jewish people.

      • potsherd
        November 28, 2009, 9:48 pm

        The point is that Israelis and many Zionist Jews have no compunctions about calling other Jews Nazis, yet they are offended if the term is applied to themselves.

        As for Israel being a secular state – not any longer. That is what those people are protesting, the religious takeover. It’s too late for them.

      • Cliff
        November 28, 2009, 10:17 pm

        Well, I am a loser w/ a people and that people has the state of Israel.

        Exactly, and this is the crux of my argument. You are a radical nationalist (not a patriot). The other things I spoke about – your racism for example, evidenced in your comparison between Palestinians trying to improve their society w/ the meager resources they have available and the Israeli woman winning the Nobel – tie into my description of you.

        Although you seem to remember every post I have written on here and managed to twist basically everything I’ve said, you don’t have a fucking clue who I am or what I think.

        I remember only the posts that struck me as exceptionally racist and vulgar (meaningful, not just curse words). So yea, sure, I recall when you mocked Palestinians trying to brighten the day of their children after the pure hell inflicted upon them by your Nazi State. I also recall your comments on Ms. Baltzer – again it’s not something random you said. It means something because these ideas are symptomatic of your type.

        All of this hatred you have is a prime example of why the Palestinians will never have shit, because they can’t get past their tragic past.

        Haha. Gosh, you’re such a troglodyte scumbag hypocrite. I mean, look who’s talking! You’re the Jewish Zionist w/ a chip – make that a fucking slab – on his shoulder and everywhere you go you try to beat your suffering into others.
        Sorry, this isn’t about you. I don’t give a crap about Jews or Jewishness. The emphasis isn’t on taking away anything from ‘the Juice’ – it’s about giving something back to the Palestinians. Giving them justice, giving them a home, giving them their human rights and their dignity.

        That’s the framework, it’s not antagonistic at all. My anger, and indeed my hatred for Nazis like you and Witty is your shameless intellectual dishonesty and outright lies.

        I mean, you even lied about my observations.

        You could say I was attempting to psychoanalyze you – but that’s common. Everyone tries to understand the motivations and causes for each other’s perspective. That’s all I’m doing. And I don’t have to read all your posts – and I haven’t – to understand your basic POV and how you would react in the I-P debate.

        You’re predictable. See in my original post, I provided the accurate context of your commentary. You weren’t merely paying a benign compliment to Ms. Baltzer. It was in reply to my rant about the fakery of so-called Liberal Jews. You even began your comment by addressing me. So just stop lying. I should spend 5min to actually quote you but I think our regulars may recall it on their own.

        And my point was your sense of entitlement to her Jewishness. It’s not that she’s courageous – I don’t think you said this. You spoke about her physical characteristics – as a compliment to her intelligence. So basically, she’s an Aryan Jew and you correlated my anger at phony Liberal Jews to Anna’s ‘exceptionalism’ (intellectual/physical) and of course within the framework of her Jewishness. So it’s not that she is simply exceptional but that she is a Jew who is exceptional and I’m supposed to be unable to take that or something.
        So please, cut the bullshit and own up to your transparency. Like I said earlier, you’re a dime a dozen supremacist.

        My profile of you was spot-on.

        Now when you factor the racism, nationalism, idolatry, etc. – my initial insult to you and your Holocau$t religion wasn’t inappropriate. It was an accurate observation of a particular ‘type’ of person that Zionism ‘speaks’ to.

        It sucks what happened, but there is no way to change history.

        Oh, but there is, chicken-shit. And that’s why you’re on this blog. If things were truly desperate and there was no light at the end of the tunnel for the Palestinians – then these blogs would not matter. But they do – and that’s because Israel’s ‘exceptionalism’ is becoming ineffective. People don’t like dead Arabs as much as they used to. That’s the sign of the times.

        Now, whatever happens – Israel loses. There will be more Arabs in that region than there are Jews. However, abandoning the Occupation would be too costly for your Nazi State. Too much is invested in that network of control and war. And while Zionist planners may think they can slowly push out the Palestinians further and further – the collective social consciousness is becoming more progressive.

        The protests of the Gaza massacre, in favor of the Palestinians and in favor of justice – FAR out shadowed that in favor of your Holocau$t cult.
        So no matter how strong you are – it’s meaningless.

        Domestic pressure is what brought on the civil rights movement in the U.S. – and that same pressure will help the Palestinians get justice, human rights, their dignity, and a home (their home – always). What do you think you’ll do? Kill more of them? Same old story. They’ll never give in to you. These people w/ nothing – aren’t afraid of you.

      • Cliff
        November 28, 2009, 10:18 pm

        Part 2:

        Israel is going no where, you aren’t going to wipe any more Jews out, sorry Cliff, there is myself and millions like me who will NEVER allow it to happen again.

        I don’t care about Israel or about Jews. And I certainly don’t want to ‘wipe any more Jews out’ – gosh, could you be a bit more melodramatic, Nazi? It’s YOU who is occupying the Palestinians – not the other way around. It’s the ARAB WORLD being attacked – not you. It’s the Palestinian people and their society that is being brutalized – not yours. Etc. etc.

        Zionists are like indignant street performers. They go around the street, creating drama – but no one wants their drama. When they see this, they become indignant.

        And this Anna Baltzer thing, I said she was pretty, thats it and you have a fucking 2 paragraph diatribe about my opinion of her, simply based on one sentence. Again you don’t have a fucking clue about what I think of her, seems like you forgot the part where I said she was courageous, huh you fucking Nazi fuck.

        I’m going to enjoy (insofar as someone can enjoy stepping on parasites) digging up that comment of yours. Where will you slither to next, Zionist?

        The saddest part is, you are probably twice my age and you act like a child. I can understand Chaos, he is an ideological college student, I even admire his passion. But you, you’re simply an angry old man who thinks calling someone a Nazi will further his cause.

        I’m 24. I’m a med student at Neoucom. I’m Indian. I come from a wealthy (Republican) family. Went to private schools, etc. I began reading about I-P 3 years ago after the War in Lebanon in 2006 got me interested in what the hell was going on over there.

        I consider myself a Liberal and a humanist. I side w/ the people suffering. I believe every conflict has an arc of justice. Meaning, that while both sides can carry out crimes (horrendous even) that doesn’t necessarily mean both should be condemned overall. So I looked at both sides (not completely I can say, since I’m young and still reading and learning) over these years. My conclusions are quite conservative I think.

        The Palestinians are the occupied people. They are the ones treated w/ no dignity. With no humanity. They are the ones dying in the thousands. They are the ones constantly ridiculed and demonized by our idiotic and corrupt intellectual culture (every Zionist hack from Sandler to Dershowitz to Hagee).
        As I read the history – my instinct is confirmed w/ factual evidence and historical context.

        As I read the latest reports from NGOs and from eye-witnesses on the ground – my perspective solidifies.

        And finally, when I have the good fortune to meet a Zionist scumbag like you here and observe your racism, chauvinism, inane and abject stupidity – I know why I have come to the right conclusions.

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 10:43 pm

        Bravo Cliff, Bravo…..

        I stopped reading after you said you considered yourself a liberal and a humanist, but I am sure it was a pleasant retort.

      • Cliff
        November 28, 2009, 10:46 pm

        Well, you read most of it then. Good thing I put that part near the end!

      • Chaos4700
        November 28, 2009, 10:58 pm

        I wouldn’t count on it, Cliff. What do you want to bet this is just one of the many things he does completely backwards?

      • syvanen
        November 28, 2009, 11:42 pm

        Yonira wrote:

        It sucks what happened, but there is no way to change history. Israel is going no where,

        First sentence. Yes it really does suck, but if Israel simply acknowledges “what happened” it could go a long way towards some kind of reconciliation. If not right of return then maybe current market payments for the stolen real estate.

        Second sentence. Now here I agree with you completely.

      • yonira
        November 28, 2009, 11:43 pm

        That my friend, I will not argue with…. …

      • syvanen
        November 29, 2009, 2:05 am

        Yonira you often say things that make me think you belong to the dark side but also say things that indicate you really are interested in backing a resolution to this whole mess where the Palestinians achieve some level of justice. Why do you continue to make such inflamatory statements?

      • Chaos4700
        November 29, 2009, 3:29 am

        Uh, Zionist? Seriously, adherents of Zionism can’t even order off of a restaurant menu without claiming divine right to this or that.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 5:38 am

        Yonira: they cost the Israelis more than the occupation does.

        No they don’t, on any level – financial, cultural, moral. Protesting against Haredi attempts to interfere with the freedom of other Jews in Israel, while continuing to deny Palestinians the most basic freedoms is “democracy for whites”.

      • potsherd
        November 29, 2009, 9:33 am

        This is like a city bragging because it has the smelliest garbage dump. Israel is nothing to brag about. Israel is bad for the Jews. Any sane Jew should want to get the hell out of the place and leave it to the fanatics, who are all heading down the rathole.

      • Richard Witty
        November 29, 2009, 3:50 pm

        Read more Cliff.

        NGO’s that are dedicated to a limited scope of the issues will give you only a partial understanding.

        To criticize with any moral certainly REQUIRES that you investigate the history on a longer time scale, and from other perspectives than just repititions and elaborations of your already formed conclusions.

        I recommend Laquerre’s “History of Zionism” and Sacher’s “History of Israel”.

        Neither are written by “rabid Zionists”.

    • Citizen
      November 28, 2009, 5:23 pm

      G-D forbid any Gentile, especially an Irish American, actually believe in Free Speech.

  2. potsherd
    November 28, 2009, 1:11 pm

    till somebody submitted the research to us about her background

    Not that there’s an organized Zionist cabal that goes around trying to dig up dirt and smear anyone critical of Israel. Just a lot of anonymous “somebodies”

    • robin
      November 28, 2009, 6:04 pm

      That is a pretty incredible statement, uttered so casually.

      • potsherd
        November 28, 2009, 7:06 pm

        Sinister, I would say.

  3. VR
    November 28, 2009, 1:14 pm

    There are a lot of people, filled with hate, who are taking advantage of the economic downturn to crush what they perceive as their enemies – trying to grind their ax on something this pervasive to give the impression that denying their cause is the reason for the calamity. Sometimes it takes times like these to see what particular hate some people are made of, airing their petty grievances.

    However, in this case, it is just more of the same – trying to do away with any critical voice of Israel. Just like any group which thinks they have an upper hand in bad times, they trumpet their ideology of hatred. This just means it is the correct time to further expose their their wrong and fallacious position, shine a spotlight on them, because they think they are in their heyday – such is the delusion.

  4. James
    November 28, 2009, 1:14 pm

    it is interesting that ‘news’ outlets are selective in what information that actually share…. in a sense they seem more intent on sculpting news, as opposed to being news outlets…. perhaps this is their editorial chance to ‘prioritize’ what they think constitutes the ”news”…

  5. Danaa
    November 28, 2009, 3:51 pm

    There’s another aspect to the boycotts mounted by zionist-jewish affiliated orgs against news outlets that dare to breach the dam of disinformation too obviously. One that I have not seen discussed much here or elsewhere. It’s the fact that those calls for boycotts against media, universities and non-profits are successful BECAUSE Jews tend to contribute much more than their share of the population indicates. It’s a classical situation of outsize influence wielded by few – ie, all it takes is for a relatively few Jewish patrons to threaten withdrawal of largess for the impact to be substantial.

    For one, it’s hardly surprising given a long tradition of charitable giving to arts, politics and community projects. Jewish people (interestingly in the US – absolutely NOT in Israel) are raised on the value of donating to worthy causes from infancy. Furthermore, there’s a correlation between donation culture and education and by and large the jewish population in the US is highly educated. In fact, I’ll challenge any of you to name one jewish acquaintance who does not have at least a BS degree. Often left unsaid though is another factor that makes the Jewish share of the donation pool even larger, and that is the relative wealth of the community. So not only do they have a tradition of wide-spread giving, but they also have a disproportionate share of the larger, most generous gifts.

    By itself – not a bad thing – and more power to them. many good causes benefit enormously from the generosity of this one community. But, like everything good, there’s a downside which has to do with the spiritual corruption that dug a tunnel through the souls of the community and most individuals in it – rich or poor. That corruption is known, by Mooser-speak here at Mondoweiss as ziocain. A very potent, very bad drug. One that’s very hard to kick off without serious repercussions to one’s entire existence.

    So what we have is that even though jews may be few in number they contribute oftentimes the lion share of donations that keep newspapers, public radio/TV, university coffers and music/art festivals afloat, making them essentially captive, because for too many in this community the culture of giving has more strings attached than the tettered Hinderburg. All it takes is a few wealthy individuals threatening to withdraw donation and the entire enterprise – worthy as it is – takes a hit in the gut – and poof, goes the balloon. No wonder many cave in – especially as they have come to be dependent on donation largess to sustain themselves, much less grow. And in so doing they have become ziocaine co-dependents (thanks again, Mooser). That is why we have seen NPR, PBS, NYTs and so many synagog-supported panels fold on the I/P issues. That is what got to Huffington Post (through Arianna’s successful fund raiser) and is even corrupting the discourse on progressive blogs like Daily Kos, all but pushing them into an abject silence of the lambs.

    At least that’s the diagnosis of the problem. Not much to argue with there, I think – just stating the obvious (hopefully well enough). As to a way out going forward, now – there’s the Trillion $ question. I actually don’t know how to fight this trend effectively, other than slowly changing the discourse within the Jewish community itself. We cannot ask for less generosity as that would be silly. What we can do, however, is to change the culture among the givers as well as to ask the non-addicts to up their contributions. Which is one reason blogs like this are so supremely important, even if they may seem a bit indulgent to outsiders. This blog, supported as it is strictly by donations from ziocaine antidot peddlers, is truly significant. I urge everyone who agrees with anything here to donate something into Phil and Adam’s depleted coffers. Practice what we preach – as little or as much as possible. From Witty however, I do expect a sizeable donation, seeing as he is still under the influence but has at least made the call to ziocanes annonymous. I know that being a nice jewish boy, he’ll be as generous as he urges others to be magnanimous.

    • MRW
      November 28, 2009, 4:21 pm

      A superb post, Danaa.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        November 28, 2009, 5:02 pm

        “It’s the fact that those calls for boycotts against media, universities and non-profits are successful BECAUSE Jews tend to contribute much more than their share of the population indicates. It’s a classical situation of outsize influence wielded by few – ie, all it takes is for a relatively few Jewish patrons to threaten withdrawal of largess for the impact to be substantial.”

        That is all too true, Danaa. As MRW put it, it’s a superb post. Philanthropy is a traditional part of Jewish diaspora culture, not only on the behalf of other Jews but to the larger community, as well. The latter is not necessarily altruistic since it is only very rarely done anonymously, but has been seen as a way of both promoting the image of the donor as deserving public figure but also as a way of defusing potential anti-Jewish sentiments.

        What is more important as Danaa points out is that in a number of instances, the threat of holding back contributions is used to suppress would be critics of Israel. This has been the experiences of churches, both black and white, as well as of the NAACP which had become totally ineffectual over the years thanks to its addiction to Jewish money.

        When it decided in the early 90s to become viable in the black community once again and hired a well known civil rights activist, Ben Chavis, to take over the helm, his past support for the PLO and his outreach to all segments of the black community, including the Nation of Islam, was too much for the organization’s Jewish funders and as they held back their contributions, the Forward, then edited by the ultra right Seth Lipsky. went after him with a vengeance, running a front page attack piece nearly every week until Chavis was forced to resign. Former Congressman Kwazi Mfume took over as chair, genuflected before the altar of Israel and its US ministry, and the money flow resumed.

        Once again, of course, the NAACP became irrelevant. One often hears charges of “anti-Semitism” alleged against any black public personality who has the temerity to criticize Israel, which is why today’s black intellectuals like Cornell West know their limits. Others, like Harvard’s Henry Louis Gates is often trotted out as their “hit man” when another black spokesperson steps out of line.

        The Congressional Black Caucus, with the recent exception of Maxine Waters, would better be renamed the House Negro Caucus for its subservient behavior to the Jewish establishment and its interests. The reason why is obvious. Jews contribute the majority of money to the Democratic Party and if you criticize Israel you can be assured that the coffers of the party will dry up as Cynthia McKinney and a few others have found. All this does has not gone unnoticed and folks should remember that the next time, the ADL Abe Foxman makes an accusation of “anti-semitism” against someone in the black community.

        What there is of the “left” and why it has been reluctant over the years to take a hard position on Israel, such as calling for an end to US aid and even now, to make support of BDS, a demand at its rallies, is due to the fact that it relies on contributions from liberal Jews who, as Phil coined it, are PEP, progressive except for Palestine/ They may be willing to accept the overworked slogan, “End the Occupation!,” because it doesn’t mention Israel and the average uneducated American, on hearing it, would not know (or care) what it meant, but they will not fund any organization or movement that publicly demands putting economic pressure on Israel. This is compounded by the fact that the same anti-war organizations such as ANSWER, and UFPJ, and their various subdivisions, also want the support of the labor unions, and the union bureaucracy, too, is either part of or in the pocket of the Jewish establishment. Unless people begin speaking out about that, the situation will only get worse.

      • Danaa
        November 29, 2009, 4:13 pm

        Jeffrey, these are great points you make – the way NAACP, the trade unions and now – the Hispanic organizations are all being cowed into submission to a policy of science.

        I’ll even add another peculiar twist to your list – the conspiracy buffs on the far right. Recently I was talking to someone who listens religiously to Alex Jones (and pretty much buys everything Alex offers). I mentioned that it’s kind of funny that with all the talk of the Bilderbergs, the IMF, the federal reserve, the UN/Global takeover by the “elites” (just a laundry list here), I heard not a mention of the zionist/jewish conspiracy. Wouldn’t that kind of bolster their case – there being plenty of evidence for collusion, wealth and influence peddling on behalf of relatively few + foreign power? The answer was interesting – my respondent said that Alex Jones in particular mentioned on a number of occasions that he “knows where not to go”. I guess the extreme libertarians (which is what most consider themselves to be) are wary of being labeled ‘anti-semites” and lumped in with some neo-nazi groups. To me, this was interesting – despite the fact that Ron paul – their nominal hero – is one of the few who dares speak against US blind support of israel, the followers are mortified of it getting out in the open.

        Rather reminiscent of the way the far-left groups are being similarly eviscerated.

        Now that, to me illustrates the power of money and influence better than anything. That even the most anti-establishment groups (right or wrong – not making a judgement here) are so mortified by the power of one particular, so-very-establishment organization that they either dare not mention it by name or do so gingerly and in code – so that only the “insiders” understand that of which they speak.

        Alas, just because there’s silence, doesn’t mean there’s no anger about being silenced – as you point out. It is a bit scary to think of what can happen if and when the lid comes of.

      • Danaa
        November 29, 2009, 4:14 pm

        A policy of silence, not “science”. Another freudian slip?

      • syvanen
        November 29, 2009, 9:18 pm

        Danaa, I like what you come up with. You strive for original observation and frequently succeed. That is rare, and should be appreciated even if one doesn’t agree. But I think you hit a good point here, namely both the left and the right are frequently paralyzed from making objective observations because of the fear of being accused of antisemitism. Being from the left, I have certainly felt the pressure, but it seems reasonable that honest observers on the right would also feel the same constraint. And after discovering antiwar.com and Justin Ramaindo about 8 years back I recognize that there are legitimate critisms of Israel from both ends of the political spectrum.

      • Danaa
        November 29, 2009, 11:21 pm

        Thanks syvanen. Credit should be shared however with the many excellent posters here who provide much inspiration. There are not too many blogs out there where one can have in depth conversation about things that matter. it’s also an interesting dynamic that developed on this blog. Even the occasional trolls seem to get on with the program, somehow. Notice how Nomi got run out of town?

      • MRW
        November 29, 2009, 11:53 pm

        Wow, Danaa, [Syvanen, have something for you, too, at end]

        You just hit the jackpot, IMHO, with this: Alas, just because there’s silence, doesn’t mean there’s no anger about being silenced – as you point out. It is a bit scary to think of what can happen if and when the lid comes of.

        I believe there is tremendous, righteous anger about being silenced, and people like Abe Foxman are supreme fools for not realizing it. It is bubbling on medium low beneath the surface.

        Syvanen, you wrote:

        namely both the left and the right are frequently paralyzed from making objective observations because of the fear of being accused of antisemitism. Being from the left, I have certainly felt the pressure, but it seems reasonable that honest observers on the right would also feel the same constraint.

        I was one of those for years, and years, decades really. I chewed the head off anyone who made a criticism of Jews, or Israel, as late as early 2003. God forbid, anyone make a criticism in my presence. Now, it’s a badge of honor — and I feel deep sneering derision — whenever anyone attempts to accuse me of being anti-semitic in my remarks, now.

        Actually, I think the ‘left’ is more paralyzed. The right, I mean the whacked right, would turn on a dime if they had a different POV. And they are the most wobbly.

      • James
        November 28, 2009, 5:17 pm

        i agree! and james blankfort and the others on this thread too… thanks.

    • VR
      November 28, 2009, 5:12 pm

      Really good post Danaa except that it has one large hole in the reasoning.

      “By itself – not a bad thing – and more power to them. many good causes benefit enormously from the generosity of this one community.”

      It is the system of private and protected wealth which is further by far the foundation or the crux of the issue. If you see something grow like this it is best to ask the question of “what type of soil does it grow in?”

      It is only the few that can therefore participate in the rarefied air of the other enterprises you mention – “the lion share of donations that keep newspapers, public radio/TV, university coffers and music/art festivals afloat, making them essentially captive…” I maintain what whats it possible is a system which has sold its commons to private enterprise and wealth. From this standpoint one can postulate all they like about an “ill” in the group, like Zionism, and once again although accurate is purely ancillary.

      I am afraid that there is a name for this system, it is called capitalism, and what it breeds is the wealth of the few, and those few with wealth become the elite which move the apparatus of the state. It is not like this is a mystery, in fact it is the stated purpose of the government in its own official documents.

      The question that has to be asked is “what can stem this tide?” That is to make the endeavors the common cause, where the entire population participates in the common enterprise. However, I have not found this to be the case at this site for the most part – all you want to do is pillory the problem with the one group (Zionists), and you do not want to address the true foundational cause. So you are left captive to the few, and they have a terrible design, and those who are the supporters of the system will do nothing to avert this tragedy.

      • robin
        November 28, 2009, 6:27 pm

        This is all too true. The inequalities of wealth that a capitalist system of distribution creates translate directly into inequalities of political power, despite claims about formal political equality in a democracy. This is sort of a much less severe version of the problem in Israel/Palestine, where you have a system of access to the state (which monopolizes the use of force) which is limited largely to Jews, even formally excluding the vast majority of Palestinians. Anytime you have such a vast gulf in political power between groups, someone’s rights and interests are bound to be trampled.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        November 28, 2009, 8:39 pm

        VR is correct in pointing out the problems inherent in a society in which a significant role is played and thus controlled by charities, quite apart from the often sordid orgins of the funds that they distribute. If exposed this would be seen as a case of “the exploited being robbed of their labor and resources, a pittance of which will go to other poor or exploited and be called charity ” while the “great philanthropists” grab the lion’s share in between and gain honors as deserving public citizens. That is the case, probably, more times than not. As Balzac was reported to have said, “Behind every great fortune is a great crime.”

      • VR
        November 29, 2009, 2:39 am

        No colonial enterprise is ever started by the destitute and weak, it is always done by the will of the few enfranchised and it is maintained by the moneyed and propertied. Since it is the governments design in the USA to be nothing but a franchise of the elite the government will never halt the process to betray the purpose of its design. In the history of colonization, whether in Palestine or anywhere else at any other time, it has always been a process supported by the enfranchised few.

        Policy in a country run in the fashion, both foreign and domestic, needs to be totally dismantled by the people. BDS is a beginning but it cannot leave intact the current process, if it does it will just be a useful but ultimately unsuccessful use of a tool of the people. In other words, the spectrum needs to be broadened, the target needs to be clarified, and the very function of the system must be exposed and challenged.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 4:45 am

        Thanks Danaa and VR. Excellent posts.

      • Danaa
        November 29, 2009, 4:27 pm

        VR – I don’t totally disagree; it’s just that I wanted to focus on that one aspect of wealth – the philantropic giving – and the way it undermines it’s own – seemingly commendable intent. As potsherd and Jeffrey below say, it’s really astounding how seamlessly benevolence can transform into malevolence, when agenda and wealth collide.

        Many others have commented on the gridlock that concentration of wealth and income has on the political system in the US. To add to your point here’s a recent take by Dave J posted Friday on Openleft, titled: “Concentration of Wealth = An Influence Lock On Our Politics”.

        link to openleft.com

        He has a cute graphic display of how skewed the concentration of income is, commenting that the concentration of wealth is even greater than the concentration of income.
        A Quote:
        “The societal consequences are dramatic. This happened as a result of wealth’s ability to influence our country’s decision-making. And that influence was used to increase the wealth of the influencers, which increased their influence. But this has come at the expense of regular people, whose incomes have stagnated, forcing them into increasing debt.
        We have reached a breaking point where a consumer-based economy can no longer be sustained. But this has not led to any loosening of the grip that money has on our political system. If we don’t force the political system out of that grip and restore democracy we will not be able to fix our economic system.”

        The relevance to your point – and my original one, I think – is that the American system of governance places naturally skews political influence towards the wealthiest, which then builds even more influence, leaving nothing unaffected. Least of all the media which largely ends up peddling the PR as just another exercise in brand marketing.

    • potsherd
      November 28, 2009, 7:48 pm

      Very insightful post, Danaa.

      I think this is another example of the corrupting effect that Zionism has had on the (US) Jewish public, turning benevolence and charity into a force of intolerance and repression.

    • Danaa
      November 29, 2009, 4:40 pm

      Thanks all for the good words and comments.

      Here’s something for us to speculate about: how long will this blog be able to stay as freewheeling as it is? I can just see the powers that be setting up their little plan(s). may be it’ll be a fantastic job offer that’ll mysteriously come phil and Adam’s way. One they can’t refuse. Maybe an especially generous donation or two, or three, enough to allow the site to expand and grow – and get used to the improved outlook – and newly found influence – all for a good cause – for a while. Then, at some point, the hammer will come down, just as it does with all people, groups and activities that defy The Man.

      So it’s a race. Can Phil et al make enough difference before they too get silenced (in a manner of speaking. No one ever gets totally silenced. Just enough to be compromised)? can anything positive happen before more lights go out? and can anything change the course towards calamity that we seem to be on?

      Yap. Negativity day. Under the weather.

      • syvanen
        November 30, 2009, 12:37 am

        Of course things can (and will) change. Let us all enjoy it while it lasts.

  6. MRW
    November 28, 2009, 4:27 pm

    Ha. I was just reading a Telegraph (UK) article and related links about the hacked climate change emails. Substitute Zionists — yes, that’s Jewish Zionists, yonira, hit your anti-semitism alarm — for IPCC in the following paragraph, and it goes on all over.

    The documents and emails illustrated how prominent climatologists, affiliated with the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change [IPCC], embarked on a venomous and coordinated campaign to ostracize climate skeptics and use their influence to keep dissenting reports from appearing in peer-reviewed journals, as well as using cronyism to avoid compliance with Freedom of Information Act requests.

    • Shmuel
      November 29, 2009, 4:35 am

      You’ve got it backwards, MRW. It’s the “skeptics” who are the Zionists/neocons when it comes to climate change, using huge resources, pr firms and every manner of falsehood, to conceal information, misinform and disinform. The Telegraph is at the forefront of this “hasbara” campaign – kind of the NYT of climate change.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 4:43 am

        To take the analogy a little further, endless talks and ineffectual measures (eg. carbon trading/offset, biofuels) combined with statistic fiddling (eg. changing the baseline year, calculating only carbon and only under certain conditions) are the equivalent of endless “peace talks”, settlement “freezes”, “autonomy”, “road maps”, etc. that never really address the issues, while proposing fig leaves to allow you to go on as before.

        The trick is to recognise some of the problems (“the occupation sucks”), take them out of context and distort them, give the impression that you are doing something about it, and offer “solutions” that resolve nothing.

      • MRW
        November 29, 2009, 7:35 am

        Shmuel,

        I know zippo about the Global Warming/Climate Change issue, in particular because it involves computer models I dont know. I hear the arguments, grant you, but have spent zero time investigating it. My brother-in-law sent me me links this week about emails hacked at some university in England.

        The one thing I remember is that Enron identified CO2 as a danger back in 1991, after a highly successful cap-and-trade program with sulphur dioxide emissions; Enron wanted to regulate CO2 because it was so prevalent. The problem Enron claimed at the time was CO2 wasn’t a dangerous substance , so they would have to find another lead-in than danger to the air. It struck me at the time as odd and self-serving because the limits for outside air (in the low three-digits) were at such a variance from inside air (high four digits).

        I watched Gore’s film. I couldn’t understand the science; I’m not a climatologist; I understood the emotion of it, however. I have waaay too many questions to join the bandwagon without sufficient science, and too little time to check into them; therefore I am neutral. And I laugh at Sheryl Crow, et al, taking 747s and 767s to promote their concerns; I read somewhere that one flight from LA to NYC is a CO2 equivalent to a few years of driving an SUV for 8 hours a day. Again, who knows if that’s true, but it curtailed my plane rides. I drive everywhere instead.

        As a final note, I was raised by the original climate change activist: my mother. She was decades before her time. There isn’t an argument I hear today that I didn’t hear starting at age five, ditto all the ‘green’ suggestions. No paper towels, use of plastics — she raged against plastic in between Kraft cheese slices — Kwh on the dryer were a concern, even coca-cola was verboten. I used to be able to recite the amount of CO2 one tree absorbed versus what I emitted but I’ve forgotten it. We had the number of trees on our property that would absorb what we emitted. So…

      • syvanen
        November 29, 2009, 8:10 am

        MRW says:

        I know zippo about the Global Warming/Climate Change issue, in particular because it involves computer models I dont know.

        You often have sensible things to say here so why do you venture into stuff that you know zippo about. It makes you sound foolish. Climate change science is not dependent on computer models. It is based on empirical measurement. Where the computer models come in is in trying to determine what is going to happen in the future. We already know what has happened thus far — the changes have been small, but they are real. It means something is happening. No one really knows what will happen next, but only fools dismiss the trend.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 8:32 am

        I am not qualified to judge the science either, MRW, but I think am qualified to judge the politics and the nature of the debate. From everything I have read (written by people who do understand the science AND the politics), there is no fundamental scientific debate here, but rather a well-funded attempt to create the illusion of debate. The motives are obvious (if only by taking a glance at who funds the astroturfing and fake “institutes” leading the “skeptic” movement). If it were only about paper or plastic or dryers or hybrid cars or “green” consumption – as the “progressive Zionists” are trying to convince us, it would be a cinch, but it’s not. It is about growth-based economics and a system utterly dependent on cheap, abundant fuel. It is about globalisation and policies designed to maximise the short-term profits of a tiny fraction of the world’s population. It is also a far more crucial issue than I/P, and I/P itself will certainly be effected and exacerbated by it.

      • Citizen
        November 29, 2009, 8:46 am

        Exactly. And it appears that alternate fuels and all the green initiatives are not cost-effective; all are/would have to be heavily subsidized directly and indirectly by the taxpayers.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 9:09 am

        Citizen – The current fossil-fuel-extravagant system is already subsidised in more way than you can imagine. You are right however, that alternative fuels – to the extent that they actually reduce emissions – will never be able to replace cheap fossil fuels. Since burning fossil fuels at an ever-increasing rate is destroying the biosphere, and they will inevitably become scarce anyway (same goes for uranium for the production of nuclear energy), real alternatives would seem to be in order. Alternative energy will not be enough however. We have to reduce our energy needs, which means fundamentally changing the system, not just capping and trading (another amazing sham, by the way) or cultivating biofuel crops – using the same energy and petroleum-dependent agricultural methods that are part of what got us into this mess in the first place.

      • Chaos4700
        November 29, 2009, 9:31 am

        You know, I’d go into the science of it but honestly, every time I go into science on this (or any other) blog, about any topic, it feels like a crowd of people with pitchforks and torches come after me.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 9:38 am

        My pitchfork’s at the blacksmith’s right now, but I know I’ve got a torch lying around here somewhere ;-)

      • MRW
        November 29, 2009, 9:40 am

        Syvanen,

        I was making (originally) a comment about campaigns to demonize others and nothing else. Nothing more than that.

      • MRW
        November 29, 2009, 10:03 am

        Shmuel, et al,

        I’m not dismissing any trends, but every argument sounds like my mother at the top of her lungs. I ignore them, frankly.

        I’m not going to pay the slightest bit of attention to it all until there is some intelligence. Biofuels use 1.45 gal of fossil fuel to create. Using corn for fuel increases hunger in the Third World. Etcetera, etcetera.

        There is no goddam reason why electricity should cost any of us more than $12/month. Period. Wang and Lee won an instant Nobel Prize in 1957 — instant, I mean in three months, never happened in the history of Nobel — for substantiating the extraction process for energy from the vacuum (free!. Then their work was excluded from every graduate level electrical engineering textbook since, and their extraordinary discovery diminished, undercut, and ignored. The cover-up began then. (A scientist by the name of Wu also proved they were right, part of the Nobel prize proof.)

        We have had the solution for over five decades. Everything people are discussing now as solutions is ancient history to me and not innovative. I have no patience with this shit. I contacted a guy from Michigan (I think) who ran his car off water in 1995, and he agreed to alter my car. His first name was Stan; can’t remember his last name. He was ‘suicided’ on his way to a conference shortly thereafter. Apparently, ran himself into a tree trying to kill himself. He had a tiny engine in the back of a car and the thing I saw, in vids he sent me, was tooling around at 60 to 70 mph.

        There is no conceivable reason IMHO why we have to have rare earths in magnetic tires — the next financial fight with China because they own 98% of the rare earths — or biofuels when there is technology that far surpasses it. For zip cost. Tesla proved it almost a century ago.

        So I keep a jaundiced eye on the issue, but until there is something substantial for me to pay attention to — something that comports with what has been really discovered so far — I treat the issue with derision.

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 10:36 am

        Sorry about your traumatic childhood, MRW ;-)

        The evidence of climate change and its dangers are as real as it gets, and there is no good reason to ignore them or reserve judgement. It is also quite obvious that the “solutions” we are being fed are not solutions, but tranquilisers (scratch the surface of biofuel, carbon trading/offset schemes, nuclear power, etc. – not to mention low-energy lightbulbs, trendy tote-bags and anything painted green – the lack of good faith is patent).

        As for opinion, I don’t believe there is a technological fix in the world that will allow us to continue to consume finite natural resources at ever-increasing rates. The promise of such technologies is part of what is keeping the masses calm – “oh, yeah they’ll come up with something, just like that Malthus dude forgot to take technology into account.”

      • Shmuel
        November 29, 2009, 10:48 am

        The point was well-taken, MRW, and the IPCC e-mail scandal is serious business. My point was that far worse has been going on in the other direction for years. It’s like Israel taking advantage of some of the real nastiness that goes on in Arab or Islamic circles to show that they are really the good guys.

        For a good analysis of the e-mail scandal, see:
        link to guardian.co.uk

      • MRW
        November 29, 2009, 5:16 pm

        Shmuel,

        Thank you for your condolences. :-)

  7. Rehmat
    November 28, 2009, 8:48 pm

    Well – our Canadian prime minisre Stephen Harper, too, believe that criticism of Zionist regime (Israel) is “old fasioned anti-Semitism”. Canadian Jewish Congress (official Israel Lobby) has successfully blocked licencing of Al-Jazeera (Arbic) since 2004 on the basis of anti-Semitism (criticism of Israel). However, the other day Al-Jazeera English was given licence to operate in Canada with the due blessings of CJC and B’nai Brith. Why, because not only AJE is flooded with Zionist Jews – the Canadian sponsor company, too, is owned by a Zionist Jew.

    Al-Jazeera comes to Canada
    link to rehmat1.wordpress.com

    • James
      November 29, 2009, 3:06 am

      amazing how the jewish folks seem so heavily involved in media ownership.. makes one wonder what kind of news we get…

  8. Richard Parker
    November 29, 2009, 6:01 am

    It is a little disingenuous to suggest this newspaper (The Daily Planet) is sustaining a concerted attack by Zionists.

    – Their ad revenue has gone down by 60%, but we don’t honestly know how much of this is due to the recession, and how much to the Zionist campaign.
    – The local branch of the ADL will have nothing to do with the campaign.

  9. Rehmat
    November 29, 2009, 8:50 am

    Well – a political aware reader would know that it’s only the Zionist leaders who has the rights (at least in the West) to make foreign leaders and lands to disappear. for example, during his recent visit to Argentina, the Israeli president Shimon Peres prophesized that “the people of Venezuela and Iran will make their leaders disappear before long”. The Venezuelan foreign minister Nicolas Madura took this as a threat from Israeli Mossad to Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez. He called Peres’ remarks “a direct threat to the life and safety of Chavez and Ahmadinejad”. Now just imagine for a moment if Ahmadinejad had predicted the “disappearance” of Benjamin Netanyanhu (Bibi) how the entire ‘Western Civilization’ would have fallen over the Muslim world!

    Peres’ disappearing act
    link to rehmat1.wordpress.com

    • Chaos4700
      November 29, 2009, 9:48 am

      Actually, Ahmedinejad did predict the collapse of the Israeli government (a far less inflammatory and directed remark than Peres’) and we saw what was done with that — the comment was mistranslated, distorted and outright lied about to frame Ahmedinejad as an anti-Semite. Which is an absolute absurdity for anyone with half an insight into Iran.

      I don’t like Ahmedinejad, I don’t think he’s a good leader for Iran. But that’s an entirely different matter than the ridiculous caricature of him as an anti-Semite, just because he has the balls to stand up to Israeli war crimes. I think Ahmedinejad participated in election fraud and I think that reflects on him being an unsuitable leader (I also think he could have easily won the election without the fraud, however, which makes the choice twice as stupid) but again, that’s a matter for the people of Iran to resolve.

      I have a lot of respect for our South American neighbors, they might be a little bit twitchy, but you know what? After how the United States has treated them, they have every right to be. And if anyone can recognize the taint of exceptionalism and colonialist attitudes and black ops threats, it’s someone who grew up in South America any time up through the ’80s.

      • VR
        November 29, 2009, 2:01 pm

        “And if anyone can recognize the taint of exceptionalism and colonialist attitudes and black ops threats, it’s someone who grew up in South America any time up through the ’80s.”

        Chaos4700, convince the Hondurans about that which just experienced a US backed coup (is Zelaya back in office yet?…). Or the seven American military bases being built in Columbia, and the distrust it engenders in the region.

        ““These bases have triggered concern”, because the agreement “contains ambiguities, not only does it refer to combating the drugs trade, it also mentions threats to peace and democracy”, underlined Amorim who then asked, “who defines what are threats to democracy”…

        “Venezuela might have certain rivalry with Colombia, but Venezuela does not feel threatened by Colombia, but by United States”, said Amorim, so that is why “it is most recommended a direct dialogue between United States and Venezuela”, which will contribute to defuse tensions in the region.”

        BRAZIL WARNS OF “DETERIORATION” OF US RELATIONS WITH SOUTH AMERICA

        My recommendation to anyone who wants to know more about the 500 years of oppression in Latin America, and the ongoing saga to read Eduardo Galeano’s volume “Open Veins Of Latin America, Five Centuries Of The Pillage Of A Continent” (which I have read completely, including all of the footnotes) below is a short video –

        CHRONICLES OF HISTORY OF HUMAN ADVENTURE

      • VR
        November 29, 2009, 2:15 pm

        For those with a little more breadth of language skills (French, and subtitled) –

        LAS VENAS ABIERTAS DE AMERICA LATINA

      • Chaos4700
        November 29, 2009, 2:25 pm

        Fair enough, I sort of implied that that this sort of hegemony and interventionism was limited to the 80’s and earlier, and that was not my intent — I intended to emphasize the 80’s. But yeah, it’s been ongoing and continues to this day. Thanks for the links, VR.

      • VR
        November 29, 2009, 2:42 pm

        I know you meant that Chaos4700, I just posted this for the sake of the broader readership.

      • MRW
        November 30, 2009, 2:05 am

        VR,

        Thanks for this mention: Eduardo Galeano’s volume “Open Veins Of Latin America, Five Centuries Of The Pillage Of A Continent.”

        I wrote it down somewhere to read and lost the name.

  10. Citizen
    November 29, 2009, 10:19 am

    The Berkeley Daily Planet?
    Not even a speck on the tiniest tip of the giant iceberg. Did America even notice that
    the main declared motivation for both the 93 and 01 attacks on the WTC was the USA’s long rubber-stamping of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians? No. Because that finding has been covered up both by the 9/11 commission and our entire MSM, and still is–anyone ever see it even mentioned on any news show? The two lesser motives were
    western boots stationed on Muslim soil, and the USA’s long history (in tandem with our Israel First foreign policy) of supporting the Arab elite who care not a fig for their own oppressed
    people.

    What’s more important to the American people than why the WTC was attacked?
    What better way to secure homeland security than to address the self-declared issues motivating
    the 9/11 attackers?

    The coverup guarantees another future attack on USA soil. That’s how much our ruling class cares about the American masses.

    • Chaos4700
      November 29, 2009, 10:34 am

      Well, and it’s self reinforcing. You’ve got Obama continuing most of Bush’s policies anyway, on one hand, and on the other you have Dick Cheney railing that “there WILL be another attack and it WILL be Obama’s fault because he’s not continuing Bush’s policies!”

      Honestly? That’s why I have long range plans to leave the US. As much as I’d like to stay and fix what’s wrong… I don’t actually see any way to do that before it all comes crashing down. There’s literally no sanity left in American politics.

      • MRW
        November 30, 2009, 2:11 am

        Chaos4700,

        Honestly? That’s why I have long range plans to leave the US.

        You’re not alone. Mine are no longer long range. If Obama greenlights Afghanistan and Iran, I’m gone, because there will be bombs in this country as a result of bombing Iran, and I will blame Israel and the Israel Lobby 1000%.

      • Chaos4700
        November 30, 2009, 3:09 am

        Well. My idea of long range isn’t necessarily that long — maybe another year or so, such that I can finish my degree.

    • syvanen
      November 30, 2009, 1:10 am

      Hey citizen. The first instance that I was ever called an antisemite happened in 2002 when I suggested that 911 was the result of our support for Israel. The accuser was a colleague, in a public forum and was extremely uncomfortable for me to say the least. I backed away quickly. I was not interested in hurting my position over what should have been a simple observation on an outside politcal debate. In any case there were many, many people who had the same reaction that I did, but had a better sense to keep their opinions to themselves. I know because others who witnessed the confrontation said they agreed with me but would have never said so in public.

  11. jimby
    November 29, 2009, 12:31 pm

    Oh boy, There is post from Tom Friedman in todays Times. He is explaining how misunderstood we are in the muslim world. Can you believe they think we are at war with Islam. How do they get this silly ideas. I avoid him but this one got me and the comments are amazing. It’s not working any more…. take that tom.

    link to nytimes.com

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