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		<title>By: islam-west</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124192</link>
		<dc:creator>islam-west</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banning people from expressing their views never really works in the long run. By the way I thought freedom of speech was fundamental pillar of western civilisation  - Muhammad cartoons anyone ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning people from expressing their views never really works in the long run. By the way I thought freedom of speech was fundamental pillar of western civilisation  &#8211; Muhammad cartoons anyone ?</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124129</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tree, it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Witty&lt;/i&gt;. Is &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; he claims &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; laced with fallacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tree, it&#8217;s <i>Witty</i>. Is <i>anything</i> he claims <i>not</i> laced with fallacy?</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124128</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Israel&#039;s fake story about a tunnel in Gaza being an existential threat large enough to violate a cease fire, is? Ass-hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Israel&#8217;s fake story about a tunnel in Gaza being an existential threat large enough to violate a cease fire, is? Ass-hat.</p>
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		<title>By: tree</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124062</link>
		<dc:creator>tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a link to the  Ynet story which has the information, if you could stop salivating for a while and click instead.  (That was a fast two days.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a link to the  Ynet story which has the information, if you could stop salivating for a while and click instead.  (That was a fast two days.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Green</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124058</link>
		<dc:creator>David Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Pappe speak on Tuesday in Normal, IL. Even though I&#039;ve read two of his books and many of his articles. I learned a lot from a 45-minute talk that summarized the history of the Zionist colonial project. He made no bones about the fact that the country is run by virtual lunatics, and may get much worse before it gets better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Pappe speak on Tuesday in Normal, IL. Even though I&#8217;ve read two of his books and many of his articles. I learned a lot from a 45-minute talk that summarized the history of the Zionist colonial project. He made no bones about the fact that the country is run by virtual lunatics, and may get much worse before it gets better.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/pappe-banned-in-munich.html/comment-page-1#comment-124053</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its only enough information to salivate (Pavlovian dog style).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its only enough information to salivate (Pavlovian dog style).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats not enough information to inquire, to judge, to act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats not enough information to inquire, to judge, to act.</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;If they wanted, why didn&#039;t they bring someone from the embassy to present the opposite stand and contradict my remarks? This hasn&#039;t happened to me even in Israel, so it&#039;s even peculiar.&quot; &quot;

The reason why they do not want to face him is probably twofold - first,  they do not want to bring any attention to his work and meeting to argue would and obviously (in their view) mean what he has to say is somewhat important;  second,  they do not want to face the truth,  because there is little they could do to gainsay his view.  So they  would rather wield &quot;power&quot; in the dark,  clandestine manner they seem to be used to.  

They probably also want to give the impression (by halting his lecture),  that is he speaks there is some sort of &quot;combustible material&quot;  in the makeup of the Germans that will cause pogroms - which is fallacious.  Trying to give the idea of &quot;inherent evil&quot; in the Goldenhagen tradition (sort of like the evil nation theory,  similar to grouping entire nations and or people of whatever persuasion as bad).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;If they wanted, why didn&#8217;t they bring someone from the embassy to present the opposite stand and contradict my remarks? This hasn&#8217;t happened to me even in Israel, so it&#8217;s even peculiar.&#8221; &#8221;</p>
<p>The reason why they do not want to face him is probably twofold &#8211; first,  they do not want to bring any attention to his work and meeting to argue would and obviously (in their view) mean what he has to say is somewhat important;  second,  they do not want to face the truth,  because there is little they could do to gainsay his view.  So they  would rather wield &#8220;power&#8221; in the dark,  clandestine manner they seem to be used to.  </p>
<p>They probably also want to give the impression (by halting his lecture),  that is he speaks there is some sort of &#8220;combustible material&#8221;  in the makeup of the Germans that will cause pogroms &#8211; which is fallacious.  Trying to give the idea of &#8220;inherent evil&#8221; in the Goldenhagen tradition (sort of like the evil nation theory,  similar to grouping entire nations and or people of whatever persuasion as bad).</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, MRW, I in fact stop for them often over here in Cologne streets.

Citizen, Gunter is an artist, eye level plaques would be rather conventional. Besides the street feels much closer to the events.  A plaque on the house usually reminds us that somebody famous lived there.  But fact is the victims of the Nazis weren&#039;t allowed to live anywhere but. I am repeating myself. Jews here in Cologne first had to leave there flats or houses and were gathered in so called  &quot;Jew houses&quot; and from there the journey went on. Don&#039;t you think the street symbolizes this much better than a plaque on a house? Forced to move, forced out into the streets, onto tracks till the end of the journey. 

I admittedly wondered if the Munich Jewish community really objected to the  idea that Gunter doesn&#039;t make a difference between the victim groups. The Nazis did, so why should an artist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, MRW, I in fact stop for them often over here in Cologne streets.</p>
<p>Citizen, Gunter is an artist, eye level plaques would be rather conventional. Besides the street feels much closer to the events.  A plaque on the house usually reminds us that somebody famous lived there.  But fact is the victims of the Nazis weren&#8217;t allowed to live anywhere but. I am repeating myself. Jews here in Cologne first had to leave there flats or houses and were gathered in so called  &#8220;Jew houses&#8221; and from there the journey went on. Don&#8217;t you think the street symbolizes this much better than a plaque on a house? Forced to move, forced out into the streets, onto tracks till the end of the journey. </p>
<p>I admittedly wondered if the Munich Jewish community really objected to the  idea that Gunter doesn&#8217;t make a difference between the victim groups. The Nazis did, so why should an artist?</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The Germany is not doing anyone a favor today by sucking up to Israel and
funding and media supporting Israel&#039;s activities right or wrong, and by legally enforcing objection with its domestic police powers; it&#039;s actually merely maintaining
a black and white version of the world which it ironically seeks to end. Are there no German leaders that are sophisticated enough to anticipate and handle the inevitable Zionist backlash
due to Germany&#039;s 12 year Nazi past in the interest of the world actually learning the lessons of that past? I don&#039;t think either German or Israel as those regimes operate respect the dead Jews of Auschwitz, to name just one group of dead innocents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The Germany is not doing anyone a favor today by sucking up to Israel and<br />
funding and media supporting Israel&#8217;s activities right or wrong, and by legally enforcing objection with its domestic police powers; it&#8217;s actually merely maintaining<br />
a black and white version of the world which it ironically seeks to end. Are there no German leaders that are sophisticated enough to anticipate and handle the inevitable Zionist backlash<br />
due to Germany&#8217;s 12 year Nazi past in the interest of the world actually learning the lessons of that past? I don&#8217;t think either German or Israel as those regimes operate respect the dead Jews of Auschwitz, to name just one group of dead innocents.</p>
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