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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a result, the Palestinians in the West Bank will retain the same status Palestinians in Israel do today, namely that of second class citizens.&quot;

If only this were true. It would be a giant step up from the status of West Bank Palestinians today. And it would provide a firm foundation, from which Israel could not retreat, for strong international pressure on Israel to adopt a democratic state based on equality of all its citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a result, the Palestinians in the West Bank will retain the same status Palestinians in Israel do today, namely that of second class citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only this were true. It would be a giant step up from the status of West Bank Palestinians today. And it would provide a firm foundation, from which Israel could not retreat, for strong international pressure on Israel to adopt a democratic state based on equality of all its citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make good points. Gaza would be on an island, without being able to (effectively) use the term &quot;occupation&quot;. External pressure on Israel (as weak as it is) might evaporate. It would not address right of return. 

But still... it would only be a matter of (much shorter) time that Palestinians would be the majority of Israeli citizens. At that point, they won&#039;t really need outside pressure to represent their voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make good points. Gaza would be on an island, without being able to (effectively) use the term &#8220;occupation&#8221;. External pressure on Israel (as weak as it is) might evaporate. It would not address right of return. </p>
<p>But still&#8230; it would only be a matter of (much shorter) time that Palestinians would be the majority of Israeli citizens. At that point, they won&#8217;t really need outside pressure to represent their voice.</p>
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		<title>By: GalenSword</title>
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		<dc:creator>GalenSword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Ewa!

I should have known that a Polish woman would understand Glick&#039;s game.

Glick has reinvented one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=-KcfGbrKptoC&amp;pg=PA107#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proposals of the Polish &lt;i&gt;inter bellum&lt;/i&gt; Nowa Demokracja (Endeks) and later Naras parties for dealing with Jews&lt;/a&gt; in the newly independent Polish state.

I discuss the effort of modern Jabotinskians to bring this sort of politics to today&#039;s Europe and the USA in &lt;a href=&quot;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2009/10/relentless-anti-westernism-vs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Relentless anti-Westernism vs Relentless anti-Islamism&lt;/a&gt;.

To understand Jewish Zionist politics, one must understand Poland: &lt;a href=&quot;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2009/11/islamophobia-zionism-of-fools.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Islamophobia: Zionism of Fools&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Ewa!</p>
<p>I should have known that a Polish woman would understand Glick&#8217;s game.</p>
<p>Glick has reinvented one of the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-KcfGbrKptoC&amp;pg=PA107#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">proposals of the Polish <i>inter bellum</i> Nowa Demokracja (Endeks) and later Naras parties for dealing with Jews</a> in the newly independent Polish state.</p>
<p>I discuss the effort of modern Jabotinskians to bring this sort of politics to today&#8217;s Europe and the USA in <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2009/10/relentless-anti-westernism-vs.html" rel="nofollow">Relentless anti-Westernism vs Relentless anti-Islamism</a>.</p>
<p>To understand Jewish Zionist politics, one must understand Poland: <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2009/11/islamophobia-zionism-of-fools.html" rel="nofollow">Islamophobia: Zionism of Fools</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I realize now your post was actually tongue in cheek sarcasm. 

Well played, my friend. Well played.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I realize now your post was actually tongue in cheek sarcasm. </p>
<p>Well played, my friend. Well played.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;We’re talking about a massive increase in Palestinian representation in the Israeli government itself. I mean, what could be better for the Palestinian cause?&lt;/cite&gt;

All things being equal, Israel stands to gain from annexing the West Bank and its native population. The Palestinians will provide Israel with cheap labor and low cost goods. At the same time, the Palestinians will be treated the same or worse than their Palestinian brethren in Israel under Israel&#039;s own discriminatory laws. 

In fact, this plan would enable Israel to reap the fruit of economic inequality while avoiding the issue of the right of return. 

In essence, Israel could very well maintain the covert institutionalized system of discrimination while abolishing the overt system of discrimination - Jewish only roads, for example - while being met with very little criticism from the international community. 

After all, once the military occupation ends and Palestinians in the West Bank become citizens, who&#039;s going to intervene in what would be considered Israel&#039;s internal politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>We’re talking about a massive increase in Palestinian representation in the Israeli government itself. I mean, what could be better for the Palestinian cause?</cite></p>
<p>All things being equal, Israel stands to gain from annexing the West Bank and its native population. The Palestinians will provide Israel with cheap labor and low cost goods. At the same time, the Palestinians will be treated the same or worse than their Palestinian brethren in Israel under Israel&#8217;s own discriminatory laws. </p>
<p>In fact, this plan would enable Israel to reap the fruit of economic inequality while avoiding the issue of the right of return. </p>
<p>In essence, Israel could very well maintain the covert institutionalized system of discrimination while abolishing the overt system of discrimination &#8211; Jewish only roads, for example &#8211; while being met with very little criticism from the international community. </p>
<p>After all, once the military occupation ends and Palestinians in the West Bank become citizens, who&#8217;s going to intervene in what would be considered Israel&#8217;s internal politics?</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is very naive to assume that the integration of Palestinians into Israel Society equals plans of conferring citizenship on them. If West Bank will be officially annexed as East Jerusalem was, then Palestinians will be offered only residency, but no voting rights. Residency can be taken away the minute any resident has left area as thousands of East Jerusalem residents have found out to their cost as they are stranded indefinitely abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very naive to assume that the integration of Palestinians into Israel Society equals plans of conferring citizenship on them. If West Bank will be officially annexed as East Jerusalem was, then Palestinians will be offered only residency, but no voting rights. Residency can be taken away the minute any resident has left area as thousands of East Jerusalem residents have found out to their cost as they are stranded indefinitely abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is misleading to say these things &quot;would&quot; happen.  On paper, the law would mandate that they  happen, but in practice, the institutional prejudice would still operate and discrimination would remain in full force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is misleading to say these things &#8220;would&#8221; happen.  On paper, the law would mandate that they  happen, but in practice, the institutional prejudice would still operate and discrimination would remain in full force.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who&#039;s infuriated by the likes of her who are born in the US, having nothing to do with Israel they move there and before you know it they&#039;re dictating to the native Palestinians - who are under a military occupation - their future? It strikes me as arrogantly racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who&#8217;s infuriated by the likes of her who are born in the US, having nothing to do with Israel they move there and before you know it they&#8217;re dictating to the native Palestinians &#8211; who are under a military occupation &#8211; their future? It strikes me as arrogantly racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;As long as everyone follows the law&lt;/cite&gt;

Israel&#039;s Basic Law will most likely remain in place. As a result, the Palestinians in the West Bank will retain the same status Palestinians in Israel do today, namely that of second class citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>As long as everyone follows the law</cite></p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s Basic Law will most likely remain in place. As a result, the Palestinians in the West Bank will retain the same status Palestinians in Israel do today, namely that of second class citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a remarkable article. The sheer hate of it makes me feel dirty as I read. It&#039;s like a completely upside-down view of the world, resting on some heinous misrepresentations of reality. 

And yet, somehow I couldn&#039;t agree more with the conclusions she comes to. 

It almost makes me wonder if she&#039;s a Palestinian-solidarity type in disguise as a hard right-winger. She&#039;s essentially willing to bet Israel&#039;s Jewishness that mainstream estimates of Palestinian population are drastically wrong. And even if they are, her proposal involves giving the vote to millions more Palestinians, without any increase in Jewish voters, as of the course the settlers are already enfranchised. 

We&#039;re talking about a massive increase in Palestinian representation in the Israeli government itself. I mean, what could be better for the Palestinian cause?

And how much better would life be in the West Bank under annexation? That would be the end of occupation there. An actual police force, not drones and tanks and bombers, would hunt &quot;terrorists&quot;. People would have due process. People would no longer be tortured, by the IDF or the PA. There&#039;d be no more checkpoints. No more Jewish-only roads or towns. Jobs in Israel would be open again. The Wall would come down!

I know that Glick doesn&#039;t propose including Gaza in this. (I&#039;m shocked she even considered citizenship for West Bank Palestinians.) And all the problems of discrimination and second-class status within Israel would now apply in the West Bank too. But, as an interim step, her idea would be momentous. There would be hope for Gaza, and for ending official ethnic chauvinism. 

I can only hope that people in the Israeli right take this seriously. Somehow, though, I think that people like Netanyahu are too smart for this. They understand that policies like these would massively undermine their real goals, which &lt;i&gt;consist&lt;/i&gt; of official ethnic chauvinism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a remarkable article. The sheer hate of it makes me feel dirty as I read. It&#8217;s like a completely upside-down view of the world, resting on some heinous misrepresentations of reality. </p>
<p>And yet, somehow I couldn&#8217;t agree more with the conclusions she comes to. </p>
<p>It almost makes me wonder if she&#8217;s a Palestinian-solidarity type in disguise as a hard right-winger. She&#8217;s essentially willing to bet Israel&#8217;s Jewishness that mainstream estimates of Palestinian population are drastically wrong. And even if they are, her proposal involves giving the vote to millions more Palestinians, without any increase in Jewish voters, as of the course the settlers are already enfranchised. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about a massive increase in Palestinian representation in the Israeli government itself. I mean, what could be better for the Palestinian cause?</p>
<p>And how much better would life be in the West Bank under annexation? That would be the end of occupation there. An actual police force, not drones and tanks and bombers, would hunt &#8220;terrorists&#8221;. People would have due process. People would no longer be tortured, by the IDF or the PA. There&#8217;d be no more checkpoints. No more Jewish-only roads or towns. Jobs in Israel would be open again. The Wall would come down!</p>
<p>I know that Glick doesn&#8217;t propose including Gaza in this. (I&#8217;m shocked she even considered citizenship for West Bank Palestinians.) And all the problems of discrimination and second-class status within Israel would now apply in the West Bank too. But, as an interim step, her idea would be momentous. There would be hope for Gaza, and for ending official ethnic chauvinism. </p>
<p>I can only hope that people in the Israeli right take this seriously. Somehow, though, I think that people like Netanyahu are too smart for this. They understand that policies like these would massively undermine their real goals, which <i>consist</i> of official ethnic chauvinism.</p>
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