Comments on: The Israel lobby and the Jewish kings

By: What power does U.S. have to stop ‘third war’ in Middle East? (what about BDS?)

Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:52:38 +0000

[...] and that all hell will break loose; and meantime Washington has been cramped and emotional. At J Street two months back, California Congressman Bob Filner expressed the same apprehension: he said [...]

By: You can’t get British Israel lobby doc’y on Youtube

You can’t get British Israel lobby doc’y on Youtube — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:39:23 +0000

[...] about money and politics and a special interest that involves Jews? Do you not then report it? And let me repeat: it is impossible to talk about the Israel lobby without talking about [...]

By: Danaa

Danaa — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:47:00 +0000

les – in another thread (Obama capitulation etc.) Chu suggested a web site tracking donations to congress by aipac-and-affiliates will be a useful tool. I agreed and used the example of the usefulness of Openleft in drawing the traces of Health Insurance – and earlier – Finance directly to congressional positions (eg, the blue dogs). I can’t blame a shoe string operation like Openleft that’s dedicated to progressive domestic causes for staying away from foreign policy matters – which they are consistent at doing. People have to choose their battles, but I cite their efforts (and FireDogLake’s) as an EXAMPLE of what can be done on a grassroots level to at least try and combat the power interests.

So the suggestion you make is well and good. But political/community leadership is still lacking with so many groups each focused narrowly on aspects of the conflict. I believe we are simply in the middle of a process of transition and that we are not far away from just such an undertaking.

By: Cliff

Cliff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:52:38 +0000

No one is suppressing you Witty. I am not in charge of this blog. I can’t censor you. You continue to post bullshit in spite of countless refutations by far more informed/articulate and polite posters than myself.

And since you have not grown intellectually. Since you have never once been able to carry on an exchange w/ your opponents here that resulted in some kind of catharsis or a middle ground – you are, without a doubt, a fucking troll.

Even the most simplest questions put to you (Ex: Have you read the Goldstone report yet? Ex: Why did you cite denunciations of the report when you admitted you had not yet read it? Ex: What is your criticism of the report? Can you be specific? Etc.) go unanswered.

You’re a snake. You can’t face anyone here directly. You just hide behind rhetoric. You never provide evidence. You prop up straw mans like you did w/ Blankfort.

It just goes on and on.

You are a Jewish Nazi. Nothing more and nothing less.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:52:13 +0000

So “thesis” is apparently Witty’s buzz word for the day.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:38:53 +0000

The suppression team in practice.

Phil is an intellectual (sometimes I would say was, when his posts look more like propaganda and contempt).

Try argument, rather than name-calling (even if only Cliff says “nazi”, and not Chaos this morning)

By: Cliff

Cliff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:36:29 +0000

Come on Witty.

Rise to the challenge. Present some evidence, not just bullshit.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:31:04 +0000

Come on Chaos.

Rise to the challenge. Articulate a thesis, not only an attack.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:27:26 +0000

Skeptical. From the guy that buys the Israeli Foreign Ministry garbage, hook line and sinker, huh. Mind you I don’t think Witty actually believes that crap about tunnels in Gaza being an existential threat to Israel. The truth doesn’t seem to factor into his rationale. Usually doesn’t, when you’re dealing with propaganda.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:19:21 +0000

I thought that it was clear that I agreed that on questions that effect Israel’s existence, and Israeli’s safety, that most Jews do vote to support Israel.

But, I also thought that I was very clear, that that is an extremely limited scope, and that even on the question of the war in Iraq which is asserted here as an example of “Jewish manipulation”, the majority of Jews polled in opposition to the war. (I don’t know about dollar votes.)

I’m contesting the thesis of the extent and degree of “THE” Israel Lobby influence.

I suggest that it exists, but is limited, and so diverse in perspective as to extremely diminish if not trash the thesis of its “wagging the dog”.

I’m asking you to be skeptical, rather than gullible.

Skeptical (questioning) my assertions, questioning Blankfort’s assertions, questioning Phil’s assertions.