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		<title>By: Koshiro</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/the-situation-in-a-nutshell.html/comment-page-1#comment-127005</link>
		<dc:creator>Koshiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Koshiro- It is true that the vast majority of Jews have lived persecution 
&gt; free 
&gt; in the United States, but Leo Frank for one did not.

Persecution is organized or at the very least tolerated by governments or equivalent institutions; it is large-scale and systematic. This - as far as Jews are concerned - never was a feature of US policy.
Leo Frank was murdered by hateful criminals. There is unfortunately no place on this planet where anybody can be 100% safe from this - most certainly not Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Koshiro- It is true that the vast majority of Jews have lived persecution<br />
&gt; free<br />
&gt; in the United States, but Leo Frank for one did not.</p>
<p>Persecution is organized or at the very least tolerated by governments or equivalent institutions; it is large-scale and systematic. This &#8211; as far as Jews are concerned &#8211; never was a feature of US policy.<br />
Leo Frank was murdered by hateful criminals. There is unfortunately no place on this planet where anybody can be 100% safe from this &#8211; most certainly not Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering jew</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/the-situation-in-a-nutshell.html/comment-page-1#comment-126949</link>
		<dc:creator>wondering jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graetz&#039;s version- Regarding the expulsion of the Jews from England: What follows is a synopsis of Heinrich Graetz&#039;s version of the expulsion and its causes or lack of cause offered in Volume 3 of &quot;History of the Jews&quot; pages 641-645:

&quot;At the accession of Edward I they had prospects of a secure existence... They might have lived on in this lowly state, bowed down beneath the burden of the imposts and wearying themselves to satisfy through usury the insatiable demands of the royal treasury, had not a slight occurrence made them the object of the bitter hatred of the monks...  In London there lived a Dominican named Robert de Redingge... he had studied the Hebrew language... to enable the monks to convert the Jews by means of their own writings.  But instead of converting... he himself became converted.  The Dominicans were enraged... and sought to wreak their vengeance upon the Jews.  The queen mother Eleanor expelled the Jews from the town of Cambridge which belonged to her and fostered hostile feeling against them throughout the country.

      &quot;Incited by the queen mother the House of Commons passed a statute which prohibited the Jews from usury.  They were allowed to reside only in royal cities and boroughs.  The House of Commons strictly enforced the wearing of the Jew-badge, determined its size and color (substituting yellow for white) and forbade all intercourse with Christians.

       &quot;Counterfeit coins were in circulation in England; the coin of the country was often clipped.  The charge was directed against the Jews, that they were the sole originators and circulators of the counterfeit coins.  It was afterwards proved that many Christians had been guilty of counterfeiting the coin of the realm and that throughout the kingdom only 293 Jews had been convicted of the crime.  Nevertheless over 10,000 Jews were made to suffer for this act.  The Christians who were implicated, with the exception of three, were liberated on payment of a fine, the 293 Jews were hanged.

      &quot;The enemies of the Jews did not tire of forging new charges against them.  It was reported that the Jews of Northampton had crucified a Christian child.  For this alleged crime many Jews in London were torn asunder by horses and their corpses hung on the gallows (April 2, 1279).

     &quot;Whilst the queen mother, Eleanor,  was exerting herself to inflame the king and the people against the Jews, the queen, also named Eleanor, bestowed the favor on them.  She prayed the king confer the vacant chief rabbinate on Hagin Denlacres.  The king granted her prayer and installed Hagin as chief rabbi (May 15, 1281).

        &quot;When the king settled the chief rabbinate on Hagin, he had no thought of expelling the Jews.  Gradually, however the fanatical party and his mother gained more influence over him and disturbed his clear perceptions.  This party, probably the Dominicans, appeared before the newly elected pope, Honorius IV, lodging accusations against the Jews, that they encouraged the return of baptized Jews to Judaism, invited Christians on Sabbaths and festivals to the synagogue, made them bend the knee before the Torah and enticed them to adopt Jewish customs.  The pope sent a missive to the archbishop and his legate, bidding them employ every means to put a stop to this improper conduct.  On April 16, 1287, a church assembly was held in Exeter which renewed all the hateful canonical resolutions against the Jews.  A fortnight later (May 2) the king ordered the arrest of all English Jews with their wives and children, an act for which no cause can be assigned.  Nor did he release them until he received a large ransom.   Three years later in 1290 Edward I, without the consent of Parliament, issued an edict of his own authority, that all the Jews of England were to be banished from the country.  16, 511 Jews of England left the country by the 9th of October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graetz&#8217;s version- Regarding the expulsion of the Jews from England: What follows is a synopsis of Heinrich Graetz&#8217;s version of the expulsion and its causes or lack of cause offered in Volume 3 of &#8220;History of the Jews&#8221; pages 641-645:</p>
<p>&#8220;At the accession of Edward I they had prospects of a secure existence&#8230; They might have lived on in this lowly state, bowed down beneath the burden of the imposts and wearying themselves to satisfy through usury the insatiable demands of the royal treasury, had not a slight occurrence made them the object of the bitter hatred of the monks&#8230;  In London there lived a Dominican named Robert de Redingge&#8230; he had studied the Hebrew language&#8230; to enable the monks to convert the Jews by means of their own writings.  But instead of converting&#8230; he himself became converted.  The Dominicans were enraged&#8230; and sought to wreak their vengeance upon the Jews.  The queen mother Eleanor expelled the Jews from the town of Cambridge which belonged to her and fostered hostile feeling against them throughout the country.</p>
<p>      &#8220;Incited by the queen mother the House of Commons passed a statute which prohibited the Jews from usury.  They were allowed to reside only in royal cities and boroughs.  The House of Commons strictly enforced the wearing of the Jew-badge, determined its size and color (substituting yellow for white) and forbade all intercourse with Christians.</p>
<p>       &#8220;Counterfeit coins were in circulation in England; the coin of the country was often clipped.  The charge was directed against the Jews, that they were the sole originators and circulators of the counterfeit coins.  It was afterwards proved that many Christians had been guilty of counterfeiting the coin of the realm and that throughout the kingdom only 293 Jews had been convicted of the crime.  Nevertheless over 10,000 Jews were made to suffer for this act.  The Christians who were implicated, with the exception of three, were liberated on payment of a fine, the 293 Jews were hanged.</p>
<p>      &#8220;The enemies of the Jews did not tire of forging new charges against them.  It was reported that the Jews of Northampton had crucified a Christian child.  For this alleged crime many Jews in London were torn asunder by horses and their corpses hung on the gallows (April 2, 1279).</p>
<p>     &#8220;Whilst the queen mother, Eleanor,  was exerting herself to inflame the king and the people against the Jews, the queen, also named Eleanor, bestowed the favor on them.  She prayed the king confer the vacant chief rabbinate on Hagin Denlacres.  The king granted her prayer and installed Hagin as chief rabbi (May 15, 1281).</p>
<p>        &#8220;When the king settled the chief rabbinate on Hagin, he had no thought of expelling the Jews.  Gradually, however the fanatical party and his mother gained more influence over him and disturbed his clear perceptions.  This party, probably the Dominicans, appeared before the newly elected pope, Honorius IV, lodging accusations against the Jews, that they encouraged the return of baptized Jews to Judaism, invited Christians on Sabbaths and festivals to the synagogue, made them bend the knee before the Torah and enticed them to adopt Jewish customs.  The pope sent a missive to the archbishop and his legate, bidding them employ every means to put a stop to this improper conduct.  On April 16, 1287, a church assembly was held in Exeter which renewed all the hateful canonical resolutions against the Jews.  A fortnight later (May 2) the king ordered the arrest of all English Jews with their wives and children, an act for which no cause can be assigned.  Nor did he release them until he received a large ransom.   Three years later in 1290 Edward I, without the consent of Parliament, issued an edict of his own authority, that all the Jews of England were to be banished from the country.  16, 511 Jews of England left the country by the 9th of October.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Syria was not providing the necessary cooperation, nor the information or access that would enable the IAEA to confirm Syria’s statements regarding the non-nuclear nature of the destroyed building on the Dair Alzour site, the report said.”&quot;

Israel has never provided  the necessary cooperation, nor the information or access that would enable the IAEA to confirm Israel&#039;s statements regarding the non-nuclear nature of the Dimona sight either.

Should Syria be sending the bombers now or later?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Syria was not providing the necessary cooperation, nor the information or access that would enable the IAEA to confirm Syria’s statements regarding the non-nuclear nature of the destroyed building on the Dair Alzour site, the report said.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Israel has never provided  the necessary cooperation, nor the information or access that would enable the IAEA to confirm Israel&#8217;s statements regarding the non-nuclear nature of the Dimona sight either.</p>
<p>Should Syria be sending the bombers now or later?</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you start a war and lose the land, it’s not stolen. It’s won fair and square.&quot;

Except that Israel were stealing the land before the war started.

And by your logic, the land of Israel is up for grabs to anyone who can take it from Israel.    In which case, why should anyone recognize Israel? 

Would that be  fair and square?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you start a war and lose the land, it’s not stolen. It’s won fair and square.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that Israel were stealing the land before the war started.</p>
<p>And by your logic, the land of Israel is up for grabs to anyone who can take it from Israel.    In which case, why should anyone recognize Israel? </p>
<p>Would that be  fair and square?</p>
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		<title>By: James Bradley</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/the-situation-in-a-nutshell.html/comment-page-1#comment-126855</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all. &quot;

You would think that Europeans owning 99.95% of the land in Europe, would be enough, but they don&#039;t just want it all, they want to have another country in the Middle East as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all. &#8221;</p>
<p>You would think that Europeans owning 99.95% of the land in Europe, would be enough, but they don&#8217;t just want it all, they want to have another country in the Middle East as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/the-situation-in-a-nutshell.html/comment-page-1#comment-126853</link>
		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all. &quot;

You would think that Zioncaine abusers would realise that 1.2 billion people who belong to one religion aren&#039;t part of a monolithic collective, but are in fact, 1.2 billion individuals.  Most Jews refuse to live in Israel, so you&#039;d think that havign the disapora would be enough without stealing land from other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all. &#8221;</p>
<p>You would think that Zioncaine abusers would realise that 1.2 billion people who belong to one religion aren&#8217;t part of a monolithic collective, but are in fact, 1.2 billion individuals.  Most Jews refuse to live in Israel, so you&#8217;d think that havign the disapora would be enough without stealing land from other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think having 99.95% of the region would be enough for the Arabs, but they want it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s a clue: the side that rejected any attempt at partition. &quot;

I take it you are referring to Ben Gurion who 1938 said that “after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state – we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s a clue: the side that rejected any attempt at partition. &#8221;</p>
<p>I take it you are referring to Ben Gurion who 1938 said that “after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state – we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.”</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doesn’t really explain Palestinian violence before 1948, does it, chaos? &quot;

Yes it does, it&#039;s called Zionist violence.  The Irgun and Stern gangs were mudering Palestinians ten yeasr earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doesn’t really explain Palestinian violence before 1948, does it, chaos? &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it does, it&#8217;s called Zionist violence.  The Irgun and Stern gangs were mudering Palestinians ten yeasr earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. El-Zabri would have fit in just fine if his parents and grandparents hadn’t been so violently opposed to any Jewish settlement in Palestine. &quot;

Yeah, I&#039;m sure they&#039;d have lived wonderful lives in refugee camps,  if only they have been more grcious about their land being taken from them.

Hey Caranas, have you ever stopped to consider that there would be no Jewish state had Mr. El-Zabri&#039;s grandparents not been driven from their land?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. El-Zabri would have fit in just fine if his parents and grandparents hadn’t been so violently opposed to any Jewish settlement in Palestine. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d have lived wonderful lives in refugee camps,  if only they have been more grcious about their land being taken from them.</p>
<p>Hey Caranas, have you ever stopped to consider that there would be no Jewish state had Mr. El-Zabri&#8217;s grandparents not been driven from their land?</p>
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