Comments on: US-Israel identity crisis http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 16:44:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: Elliot http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124657 Elliot Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:17:15 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124657 Citizen, not that this was my main point but I know a NY rabbi who conducted memorial services for many of the Jewish victims of the 9/11 attacks. Certainly, there were many more than a couple of Jewish victims. Citizen, not that this was my main point but I know a NY rabbi who conducted memorial services for many of the Jewish victims of the 9/11 attacks. Certainly, there were many more than a couple of Jewish victims.

]]> By: syvanen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124654 syvanen Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:31:33 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124654 No I was not satisfied with the 911 commish. That is why I am so pissed off at the 911 truthers who keep on bringing up the controlled demolition crap. Those fools have so poisoned the debate that it is not possible to discuss some of the more plausible questions. For example, why were those Israeli moving company employees cheering while the towers collapsed? What did those Israeli intelligence operatives learn about the very real Saudis that carried out the attack? Who were those art students? Any attempt to discuss these questions become diverted into arguing against these fools who insist that hijacked planes were not responsible in the first place. I for one will not raise any of the points that I think are legitimate in polite company for fear of being identified with the nutcases. No I was not satisfied with the 911 commish. That is why I am so pissed off at the 911 truthers who keep on bringing up the controlled demolition crap. Those fools have so poisoned the debate that it is not possible to discuss some of the more plausible questions. For example, why were those Israeli moving company employees cheering while the towers collapsed? What did those Israeli intelligence operatives learn about the very real Saudis that carried out the attack? Who were those art students? Any attempt to discuss these questions become diverted into arguing against these fools who insist that hijacked planes were not responsible in the first place. I for one will not raise any of the points that I think are legitimate in polite company for fear of being identified with the nutcases.

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124617 Citizen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:11:02 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124617 Er, how many Jewish victims of 9/11 were there? One? I agree many Jews worked in the twin towers, but I've not seen any evidence indicating other than at most only a couple were killed. There's even info questioning how could that be all over the internet. Er, how many Jewish victims of 9/11 were there? One? I agree many Jews worked in the twin towers, but I’ve not seen any evidence indicating other than at most only a couple were killed. There’s even info questioning how could that be all over the internet.

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124614 Citizen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:06:54 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124614 RE: " infested with 911 truthers." You are over reacting. Are you satisfied with the 9/11 commission's report and the Sheah (sic) memorandum? Happy with the quickie USS Liberty investigation too? How about the murder of JFK? You think merely to raise questions is the act of an insect, an infestation? How about the Gulf of Tonken (sic) tool? Shrub's original WMD pretext for attacking our old buddy Sadsack? RE: ” infested with 911 truthers.”

You are over reacting. Are you satisfied with the 9/11 commission’s report and the Sheah (sic) memorandum? Happy with the quickie USS Liberty investigation too? How about the murder of JFK? You think merely to raise questions is the act of an insect, an infestation? How about the Gulf of Tonken (sic) tool? Shrub’s original WMD pretext for attacking our old buddy Sadsack?

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124612 Citizen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:57:01 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124612 Oscar, I already put the link on an earlier thread here this week; or you can google it; it should come right up before your eyes--I'd get it for you but I have a dinner to go to. Oscar, I already put the link on an earlier thread here this week; or you can google it; it should come right up before your eyes–I’d get it for you but I have a dinner to go to.

]]> By: Oscar http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124605 Oscar Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:24:44 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124605 Exactly. It's meant to show that as of 9/11, "we're all Israelis." <blockquote cite="">On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"</blockquote> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html Exactly. It’s meant to show that as of 9/11, “we’re all Israelis.”

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: “It’s very good…….Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)”

link to whatreallyhappened.com

]]> By: Oscar http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124604 Oscar Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:20:30 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124604 Citizen, do you have a link to this memorandum? Citizen, do you have a link to this memorandum?

]]> By: Elliot http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124591 Elliot Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:09:58 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124591 Ok, I'm gonna take the counter view: This is not the first Israeli memorial to an American tragedy. Take, for example "Yad Kennedy" near Jerusalem - an image of a truncated tree trunk memorializing JFK. Is it ok for Israel to mark 9/11? sure. Weren't Americans moved to tears when the Stars and Stripes were played as part of a religious service in Westminister Abbey, London? There is a kinship between the UK and the US/ Similarly, Israeli Jews feel the same way about the US. Think of the many Jewish victims of 9/11 in New York. I dislike Olmert as much (and probably more, I had him as my mayor) as the next Mondoweisser and his statement at the memorial's dedication was typically inflammatory. Don't we want to encourage Israel to emulate the best of the West? How about an American-style democracy for starters? I'd go after Olmert and his camp - not the memorial itself. Ok, I’m gonna take the counter view:
This is not the first Israeli memorial to an American tragedy. Take, for example “Yad Kennedy” near Jerusalem – an image of a truncated tree trunk memorializing JFK.
Is it ok for Israel to mark 9/11? sure. Weren’t Americans moved to tears when the Stars and Stripes were played as part of a religious service in Westminister Abbey, London? There is a kinship between the UK and the US/ Similarly, Israeli Jews feel the same way about the US. Think of the many Jewish victims of 9/11 in New York. I dislike Olmert as much (and probably more, I had him as my mayor) as the next Mondoweisser and his statement at the memorial’s dedication was typically inflammatory.
Don’t we want to encourage Israel to emulate the best of the West? How about an American-style democracy for starters?
I’d go after Olmert and his camp – not the memorial itself.

]]> By: tree http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124544 tree Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:48:00 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124544 Well, if they use it like Yad Vashem then I'm sure they'll point out that the Grand Mufti was the real mastermind behind 9-11. Well, if they use it like Yad Vashem then I’m sure they’ll point out that the Grand Mufti was the real mastermind behind 9-11.

]]> By: Colin Murray http://mondoweiss.net/2009/11/us-israel-identity-crisis.html/comment-page-1#comment-124542 Colin Murray Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:39:16 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=11062#comment-124542 I agree with you Chaos4700 that something of motive and desired outcome can be gleaned from the target list. However, the utility of this tool is constrained by the assumptions we make about how well 9-11 planners understood American domestic politics. For example, did they understand the role of the Israeli Lobby in formulation of US Middle Eastern policy when they chose the Pentagon over AIPAC? What does the previous targeting of the WTC say about its importance as a symbol (of what exactly) in the worldview of extremists in the fringe where Al Qaeda recruits? Does anyone have links to assessments by professionals on any of these questions? I agree with you Chaos4700 that something of motive and desired outcome can be gleaned from the target list. However, the utility of this tool is constrained by the assumptions we make about how well 9-11 planners understood American domestic politics. For example, did they understand the role of the Israeli Lobby in formulation of US Middle Eastern policy when they chose the Pentagon over AIPAC? What does the previous targeting of the WTC say about its importance as a symbol (of what exactly) in the worldview of extremists in the fringe where Al Qaeda recruits?

Does anyone have links to assessments by professionals on any of these questions?

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