Comments on: We let Jackie Robinson play ball 62 years ago

By: Tuyzentfloot

Tuyzentfloot — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:54:18 +0000

There’s a claim about change in companies, that when new people arrive they first have to learn the new environment. Then after 6 to 9 months they start to understand the mechanics and start becoming able to bring fresh insight. After a few years though they’re fully absorbed in the company culture and you can’t expect much deviation anymore.
Being immersed in a system for a long time helps some forms of insight, and blocks other forms of insight. Being immersed in Israel for a long time is not very helpful for some forms of understanding about that country.

By: tree

tree — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:51:07 +0000

“Tree, I have other things to do besides fulfill your requests.”

What other things? For someone with other things to do you seem to be hanging out here. You’ve posted numerous times here since the request, all attempting to make the point that you are more knowledgeable on the situation because you understand Hebrew. The best way to make that point would be to translate that cite of yours and prove that it really was an example of “media outrage” in Israel. You failed at both. You couldn’t translate it and, when translated it could hardly be called an example of Israel media outrage at racism. Answering my request could have helped you make a point here, but you failed. Both your points just got exploded by Shmuel.

I don’t think you are paid, just biased and poorly informed, despite your possible (but likely limited) knowledge of Hebrew.

Ok, now I’m really gone! (I swear!) TTFN!

By: MRW

MRW — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:45:54 +0000

Thanks for the translation, Shmuel. It’s a far cry from what carnas intimated. And certainly La Famiglia was not booed in the stands for their subsequent banner approval, as they would have been here.

By: MRW

MRW — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:42:29 +0000

Thanks for the research, Oscar.

By: Tuyzentfloot

Tuyzentfloot — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:39:53 +0000

I think you’re all looking at it the wrong way. There is a budget for internet hasbara, and those who manage the budget are only too glad that you’re not asking for compensation. The word ‘freiers’ comes to mind…

The occasional visitor Awamori is probably getting compensated, but he only gets to talk about Goldstone – on every type of forum you can imagine – sounds like fun.

By: Shmuel

Shmuel — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:28:07 +0000

Carnas,
Here is an example of your misreading a situation in one of the languages you read, jumping to very wrong conclusions. My views have developed over the years, listening to smart people I didn’t agree with. That doesn’t necessarily mean I came to agree with them, just that they made me think and question my own positions. That’s uncomfortable and even painful sometimes, but it’s worth a lot more than the number of languages I read. My negative impression of the views you present here has little to do with the fact that I don’t share them, and everything to do with the fact that they tend to lack depth, coherence and basic humanity.

By: carnas

carnas — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:22:48 +0000

Tree, I have other things to do besides fulfill your requests. Besides, have you forgotten I’m a paid Israeli govt. agent – why would you ask me to give you information?

By: Shmuel

Shmuel — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:18:22 +0000

Why don’t you ask Shmuel if he gets paid by the Palestinians?

Damn, there goes my cover. Unfortunately, my paycheck has been held up in Gaza for a couple of years. Fortunately, I have a day job :-)

By: tree

tree — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:18:12 +0000

Thanks, Shmuel! I’ve got to run, out the door to begin my week long vacation. Best to you and yours and to everyone here, including carnas. See you all in a week.

By: Shmuel

Shmuel — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:11:13 +0000

Translation:The decision of Beitar to hire and especially not to hire an Arab player does not depend on the agreement or refusal of the captain, Aviram Beruchyan. Until this week, no one cared what he thought about the matter, and since we know that almost all football players in Israel refrain from expressing an opinion on any important issue, we did not think it was important to know what Beruchyan thinks. Unlike the heads of Beitar however, who have allowed the “street” to control them for years, Beruchyan, last week expressed an unusual opinion on a fundamental issue, of dramatic importance to the character of Beitar.

The statement became hot news, and there were some in the media who were already congratulating him, but they don’t know the dynamics in Jerusalem. A few calls from the leaders of the “undergrounds” in the city, and Beruchyan folded, grovelled and even declared that he had not meant to hurt the feelings of the organisations, first and foremost La Famiglia, who repaid him with banners of encouragment in the stands. Beruchyan, the important thing is that you come here. What do you care about Arabs?