Comments on: If this street gets cleaned then the terrorists win

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:36:06 +0000

That’s a good point, VR. Essentially, Streicher was tortured and then hung for engaging in free speech; funny, his rag had a very small circulation too. In his defense at Nuremberg, he quoted the Talmud incessantly.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:31:39 +0000

And it’s feeble counterpart, the egregious and fertile Scofield annotations to the bible?

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:29:59 +0000

They aren’t even good enough to clean our streets or highways when they are the locals and we are not? What’s the difference between the USA and Israel again?

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:09:36 +0000

And exactly what point does Joe Kaufman have? And how does his point relate to
this point”
link to dailymail.co.uk

Does Joe know about the law here in the USA? Or is he still conflating this land (USA) with
his land (Israel)?
link to dailymail.co.uk

By: DICKERSON3870

DICKERSON3870 — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:41:55 +0000

SUBMITTED TO “The South Florida Sun Sentinel”:
South Florida appears to be rife with bigotry. Mr Kaufman is a stellar example.
DICKERSON3870 (12/24/2009, 4:34 PM )

By: MHughes976

MHughes976 — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:40:59 +0000

I’m never going to hold even one chair at Yale or anywhere but I think it’s clear that we have fourth century manuscripts which must have been immune to medieval corruptions. On the other hand it’s also clear that both the Old and New Testaments are texts very challenging to edit – Jeremiah has both a longer and a shorter form; the Western and Eastern texts of Acts differ by about 10% of their volume. Standard commentaries will confirm.
Your American conservatives have recently come up with a proposal to re-edit the Bible to remove liberal corruptions and interpolations. They particularly target the famous ‘Father forgive them’ passage in Luke’s Gospel – and actually they have an arguable case considering the conflicting manuscript evidence. I would suspect that if this passage is an interpolation it is not due to liberalism but is intended to minimise Gentile and maximise Jewish guilt for Jesus’ death. Can we never get away from the tensions of the ME?
Jews were subject to nasty civil disabilities in the Roman Empire and also subject to malevolent restrictions – which I suspect were rather like the zoning laws of today – on construction of buildings, though there were probably ways through the bureaucratic maze. I’m following Charles Freeman’s ‘AD 381′ and the relevant part of the Oxford History of the Biblical World. We find Theodosius declaring in 393 that there were no laws against Jewish worship. The Jewish Patriarch of Tiberias was a Vir Illustris, ie of very high secular rank.
The earlier occasion when ‘the Greeks tried to destroy the Jews’ was as much a Jewish civil war, resulting in the triumph of the Hasmonean dynasty, as an international conflict. King Alexander Jannaeus crucified (c.85 BC) about a thousand rebels, having made them watch the elimination of their wives and children first. He then ‘pursued a policy of territorial conquest and expansion’ (Oxford History again) and it seems that some significant conversions to Judaism took place . Little is known for certain about the nature or scale of these, but I dare say people over whom the power of such a drastic ruler ‘expanded’ might have chosen not to be on his wrong side on religious matters.
The usual lessons, I think. What we think of as ‘the same religion’ can take many very different forms over a short time. What begins as a defence of the true faith against violence can well end in angry, intolerant insistence on what the faithful say are their sacred rights. There are some patterns we keep seeing.
Relentless hate campaigns – they aren’t even good enough to clean our streets – are part of a bad pattern. Ah well, I got back to the subject somehow.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:39:41 +0000

But were there other groups thrown to the lions solely because of their religion? I don’t know of any. School me.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:38:21 +0000

Constantine had a vision (a cross appeared to him in the middle of his roman sun god sun image), and subsequently had his soldiers paint a cross on their
shields. “In this sign you shall conquer.”

Your’re right that the Roman leaders determined that old religions at the time
were to be given recognition, and upstart ones were treated as mere superstition.
Same as now. The scientologists were finally given church tax exempt status after a long haul; they were smart enough to gather all kinds of dirty IRS laundry to bribe the IRS.

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If this street gets cleaned then the terrorists win edu university — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:35:41 +0000

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By: VR

VR — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:03:42 +0000

I have always considered the Zionist diatribe against "Muslims - the Arabs" etc. to be the spitting image of the antisemitic canards leveled against us. They follow the same pattern, and use the same forms of vilification which is considered "hate" literature and in some countries punishable as a crime. NO DIFFERENCE The case of Julius Streicher presented at Nuremberg Trial could be made against these blatant Zionist racists. The racism is cultivated through almost all forms of media, and stands as a display of rabid hate speech that any prosecutor could use with no trouble in a current court of law. IT MUST BE TRUE I SAW IT ON TV Two can play the same game, and with the history of "findings" in law those who are the first to cast bogus stones might find themselves eventually buried under a pile of rocks.