From Haaretz:
Justice Minister [yes that's the government justice minister] Yaakov Neeman took to the Knesset podium Tuesday to try to calm the political storm he caused this week when he said that "step by step, Torah law will become the binding law in the State of Israel." Neeman made his controversial remarks Monday evening at a convention on Jewish law in Jerusalem…
Another former justice minister and law professor, Amnon Rubinstein, said Neeman’s plan "would amount to severing the majority of Israel" from the state, and mean most of Israel’s judges would have to be replaced by rabbis.
In the wake of the uproar caused by his remarks, the Justice Ministry issued a statement Tuesday denying that Neeman intends to replace Israel’s legal system with Jewish law.
Phil,
did you forget some of this post? What does the title have to do w/ the rest of the story?
Wow! Witty has backup singers now.
Sharia law is specific to Muslims and non-Muslims, I would agree Sharia law would be a threat to a state w/ a majority Jewish population.
Here is why it may be considered a threat (although I still don’t understand what on earth the point of this post is, Chaos, can you help me with the connection between the article cited and the title of this post?)
link to ntpi.org
A) This whole “dhimmi” canard has been covered elsewhere. I’m not going to entertain your little flash dance yet again, even though now you’ve got a link to — gasp! — a website that hasn’t been updated in five years.
B) link to en.wikipedia.org
and link to en.wikipedia.org
Does that help? Or do I need to go get the sock puppets?
God help us if you insist on using the Dhimmi argument Yonira…
1) Dhimmi’s were a construct of MEDIEVAL Abbasid and Ottoman law.
2) Dhimmi laws were abolished a couple hundred years ago.
3) Most Muslims don’t even know what the word Dhimmi even means.
4) The word Dhimmi is no where to be found in the Qur’an.
5) The majority of Muslim majority nations today do not have discriminatory laws towards their minority populations. In fact many Muslims live in nations in which a minority group actually runs the show (Syria, Lebanon, former Iraq, founder of Pakistan, etc)
Now on to Sharia Law:
1) Sharia law is not a set legal code.
2) Sharia law is merely any form of law that can be considered to be founded under “Islamic principles” (whatever that means). Thus Sharia can be interpreted in a way that would make it incredibly progressive or in a way that is consistent with the current system in Iran.
3) Only one country amongst all the countries with a Muslim majority actually abide by some interpretation of Shariah law (Iran). Thus the fear that Shariah law might take over the West is incredibly ridiculous given that Muslims have been incapable of implementing Shariah in their own countries.
4) If you ask two Muslims what Shariah law is you will get two different answers.
In any case the point of this post by Phil was to showcase how us Westerners get it twisted when we see Muslims “Implementing Shariah” or threatening to do so. But when high ranking Israeli ministers say they will implement Jewish law into every aspect of Israeli society, all we hear are crickets =P
Politicians talk, Dictators do.
not sure where i mentioned dhimmis, but thanks for the input it was educational.
Activists discuss, Zionists prevaricate.
yonira, you really are still having trouble with your irony detector.
Yonira, Torah Law and Sharia Law are basically the same thing: they are both equally backward and have no place in a modern nation-state. Do you really want to see Jews stoned by other Jews for having sex out of wed-lock?
Ana,
no of course not, the idea of any type of religious law in modern society is ridiculous.
RE: “threat to Israel”
FROM YNET – ” Likud MK: Annex West Bank, consider citizenship for Palestinians”, By Attila Somfalvi, 12/20/09
(EXCERPT) …Knesset Member Tzipi Hotovely, one of the leading dissenting voices in the Likud faction opposing the policy adopted by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said Sunday that the territories should be annexed to Israel.
“Israeli law should be applied on the Judea and Samaria region,” Hotovely said during a conference in the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya and stated she did not rule out granting citizenship to Palestinians…
ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to ynetnews.com
You know, some day soon, Israel’s really going to have no choice but to just declare war on the entire UN. Hell, I mean it’s not like they aren’t already bombing UN facilities whenever the chance arises, anyway.
Tzipi Hotovely is a babe, too bad she’s a right-wing likudnik with ice in her veins.
Just about the maximum level of sophistication we’ve come to expect from your responses on any topic, yonira.
which part Chaos? I think the same about Bibi, he was a babe too when he was 30, no Yoni Netanyahu, but still a babe. Is this more sophisticated?
Hotovely: Thinking ahead, strategically, we should consider granting gradual citizenship to Palestinians based on loyalty tests
Question no. 1: Have you or any member of your family ever been jailed on suspicion of anti-Israeli activities?
That takes care of the entire Palestinian population of the West Bank, except one.
Question no. 2: Are you or have you ever been a 98-year-old widower from Tulkarm, by the name of Suleiman Abu-Bakr?
That takes care of all of them.
Maybe Phil meant to say Jewish fundamentalism…
A while ago, Jewish fundamentalists introduced a bill in the Knesset that would have banned the processing of pork or pork products. Opponents pointed out that only three countries in the world ban pork: Saudi Arabia, Libya, and the Islamic Republic of Iran. “Do we want to join them??” asked the opposition rhetorically. The bill did not pass.
If the bill had passed, would the IDF execute people for eating a pork-containing hot dog? It would be hard to oppose such policies from the Israel-can-do-no-wrong perspective of some people here in the US. “After all, Israel has a right to exist as an Orthodox Jewish State!”
Israel has no right to exist as an Orthodox Jewish State
Whoops, look who’s having second thoughts! Yonira, Orthodox Judaism is the ultimate and most Orthodox form of Judaism. Of course Israel must be Orthodox!
Good Lord, what would happen if those demned Reformers took over in the Holy Land? All the girls would be going out with Arab boys, and the men (if Reform Jews could be called, it is to laugh, “men”!) would marry Arab women at the rate of 58%!! Why, us pure Jewsies would be nothing but a misceganated, mongrelised memory, before you could say Michel Michem Pim Sh’mia!
I mean think of it, Yonira! Orthodox Rabbis would rule Israel, religious fanaticism shape the laws, and in turn, those Rabbis would kow-tow the Gentiles of the US, where the money comes from, the money which keeps the Cossack… I mean Arabs, at bay. Bim-blam-boom, you’ve made your very own ghetto! Don’t you want to preserve Jewish traditions?
Mooser,
huh?
Just as I thought, a modernizer, a revisionist, always ready to cast away the great traditions of Judaism for some new-fangled doctrine of assimilation.
Without a doubt a Socialist, a Bolshevik, and a paskudnik!
I hav never seen someone use more yiddishisms since The Fiddler on the Roof. You gotta translate that stuff, Mooser!:)
olive, there are many good Yiddish glossaries on the web. I wasted my chance to become really proficient in Yiddish, and will regret it to the end of my life.
Even if you know lots of Yiddish, the glossaries are useful for standardized spellings. One of the best is: The Gantseh Megillah, at:
link to pass.to
“If the bill had passed, would the IDF execute people for eating a pork-containing hot dog?”
My Father-in-law, for whem we are still sitting Shiva (I have never figured out why Jews honor a Hindu Goddess when someone dies, but hey, what do I know, I just do what’s expected of me.) always insisted on, he never tired of telling me, “National Hebrew” frankfurters, because he felt sure they were “all beef”.
that was 1/2 funny Mooser, my condolences to your wife and family, and also my condolences on the death of your Father-in-law. (you know like the first condolence was for having to marry you :) )
Yonira, I don’t care what the Rabbi says, you don’t have to marry me. Of course, I could marry you, and my wife, that would be big of me. But that’s not the way we do things here in the Goldenah Medina.
But good luck on finding a husband. You have an endearing fermininity which shines even through the grime of ignorance of prejudice. It’ll put you a leg up on the other girls, but I would ask the Rabbi before going any further.
you know i am dude, right?
I’m sorry, Yonira, you’ve told me that before, but as I said, the endearing, complete and utterly natural femininity of your writing makes me forget it every time. If you are indeed male, it’s a loss for womankind. Well, not if they don’t like competition, I guess.
I am a softy in the language department
And I bet lot’s of other places, too! Why, is that Sidney Chapin I hear?
(Cue music)
“You are Woman,
I am Man.
You are shorter,
So I can be taller than.
You are softer…
to the touch.
It’s a feeling, I like feeling,
very much!
You are someone,
I admire, still, our friendship
leaves something…
to be desired!
Does it take more explanation than this?
You are Woman, I am Man,
Let’s Kiss!”M
Gosh, they just don’t write ‘em like that anymore, thank God!
Okay Yonila, you do the Streisand part now!
“It would be hard to oppose such policies from the Israel-can-do-no-wrong perspective of some people here in the US.”
Yeah right. They would execute people eating pork and the Israel supporters in the US would defend the policy. The stuff you progressives come up with always gives me a good chuckle.
Who are you quoting in this statement? “After all, Israel has a right to exist as an Orthodox Jewish State!” Did you make that up?
Aren’t you still busy hunting for WMDs in Iraq, Julian?
Look at the chametz wars during Passover. They don’t execute people but they picket and boycott stores that sell it, throw stones at them. I think there are laws in places prohibiting the sale. They’re now talking about revoking the kosher certificate of any store that displays a Christmas tree or other decoration.
And they’re only getting started. The intoxication of power is wonderful to behold.
yonira, the blog is too subtle for you…lol Have a Sharia hotdog and go to bed
She can’t just use a “back massager” like everyone else?
you are a righteously funny gentile Mooser
Oh look, yonira won’t let me be a Jew! Oy I’m crushed! Now I won’t get the annual checks, and gifts every month. Ah, but if there is one opinion Zionists are united in, it’s that there are too many Jews, and they are gonna do something about it!
You can be a Jew if you want Mooser.
And you can be a “dude” if you want, but just between me and you, on you it doesn’t look good.
Oh well, it must be some vestige of male chauvanism on my part, maybe I just expect too much.
It was nice Mooser, but I gotta go finish up the 3rd season of future weapons
Yonira, don’t leave now, we were just getting close! Baby, it’s cold outside! C’mon, just one more drink, I’ll sit on the other end of the couch, I promise!
But no more of that Commie talk, Yonira, about a non-Orthodox Israel (my fingers should fall off for even typing the words!) Mein Gottlieb what would happen to us if Jews could start litening to Gentiles, instead of Rabbis? Don’t even think such a thing!
yonira! you’re funny. it will take more than mentioning weapons to erase your femininity. embraced your true self.
Wow! I’ve been rejected before, handed the mitten, been given the air, told “those wedding bells shall not ring out” and all that, but that’s the first time a girl told me she was a guy to get out of talking to me! I must be losing my charm.
haha, you are a character Mooser.
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Certainly Israel has something to worry about from its Orthodox Jewish population. But the worry about Islamic fundamentalism is not about modesty codes or a rewritten law; it is a worry about implementing the ideas behind Hamas’s charter (i.e. killing or expelling the sons of monkeys and pigs.)
WJ – while Hamas is indeed an Islamic fundamentalist organization, the notion of expelling Jews from Palestine is essentially a nationalist one, the mirror image of Zionism.
Who’s killed more civilians, overall? Al Qaeda, or the IDF?
“Certainly Israel has something to worry about from its Orthodox Jewish population.”
Well, well, well! Mash me, cover me with dough, and fry me for a knish!
But then again, as I always say, it’s always the Zionists that think there are too many Jews.
How many times must we remind you WJ that Hamas created a new charter, one which does not call for the destruction of Israel and refrains from making any anti-semetic remarks.
link to guardian.co.uk
Also, for the record Hamas has accepted the 2 state solution based on the 67 borders for quite some time.
link to haaretz.com
So can we please cut the bullshit?
Keep in mind that it is the Israeli Likud Party which REFUSES to accept any Palestinian state west of the Jordan river, not Hamas.
How many times do I have to tell you that a campaign charter and a party charter are two different things? And as far as the 67 borders Hamas speaks with forked tongue.
So can we agree to disagree about what is bullshit and what is the truth? And while we’re here, why is Hamas refusing the reconciliation agreement with Fatah?
James Bradly, the Hamas charter was way back January 2006, a 3-year gap from the latest war in Gaza. Are we not hearing shouts; ‘Death to the Jews!’?
I know why thy hate sharia-it prohibits “riba,” meaning usury or interest. In contrast, Jews with their dual moral code use usury as a form of ethnic warfare. See Deuteronomy 23:20 “You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess.”
Okay, America First, you’re starting to dwell in the realm of anti-Semitism, here. If this is the best you have to offer, then I would kindly ask you to take your ass over to Stormfront where you might actually get a reaction other than disgust.
Not sure what you factually disagree with here, Chaos. That a dual moral code is a recurring feature of Jewish religion and culture? That high finance is an essential source of Jewish-Zionist power?
I think the difference between you and me is that I make a vital distinction between the Zionist criminal enterprise, and Jewish people as a whole (who are often victimized by Zionists themselves)
“That a dual moral code is a recurring feature of Jewish religion and culture?”
Oh God, it’s like he can see right through us! America First, you don’t know how many times I have castigated myself unmercifully for my dual moral code! It’s awful! I ask myself, “Why can’t I be good and fine and true and noble, like the Gentiles, washed in the Blood, clean-limbed, unusurious, willing to give a sucker an even break?”
But then a Rabbi (one is always around, darn them) catches my eye, gives me a look, and hisses “Deuteromony” and before you can say “Vahksin zuls du vi a tsibeleh, mitten kup in drerd” I’ve got the poor schmuck embroiled in a phony real-estate consortium!
Do banks in Israel charge interest to Jews?
We can learn much from Muslims on this:
Historical Overview Of Usury
link to missionislam.com
From a more technical article worth reading in full:
Political Economy of Islam
link to dscholar.humboldt.edu:8080
Note the difference between a society that values all work and one that detests manual labor and specializes in making money off others’ work. This narrow occupational profile has been a source of Jewish-gentile friction over the centuries. I see no change today.
Yeah, America Fust-cless, cause if there is one thing every Jew I have ever known is slavishly devoted to, it’s exactly following the laws in Deuteromony! In fact, when one Jew sees another about to do a good turn for a Gentile, he just whispers so the Gentile can’t hear “Deuteromony” and the other Jew gets the message, and makes sure to screw the Gentile. Happens alllll the time. Darn, I probably shouldna’ have said that, huh?
What about Deuteromy 22: 22-24?
Anyone with any economic sense could tell you that without interest the economy would come to a halt. In fact today interest rates are too low and this sparked the risky ventures that came crashing down last year.
Jewish to Jewish interest has been allowed through a loophole. Banks charge and give interest based on the assumption of a partnership between the bank and the individual and a partnership can contain rules that provide benefits for the one who invests the capital.
There is no question that lending money can cause hate. There is also no question that every society needs someone to lend money.
Judaism is a tribal religion and as such Deuteronomy 23:20-21 forbids interest taking from a brother and permits it to the outsider. But as I said, the law found a loophole and interest taking (and giving) from a brother is now quite common.
On the show “The Sopranos” anyone who puts money on the street becomes a player. You better pay the vig or you get your legs broken. In “Merchant of Venice” when Antonio didn’t pay the vig Shylock wanted a pound of flesh. That didn’t work out too well for Shylock, but Shakespeare made a mint off of it. (or would have if there had been royalties for 76 years after his death and he’d have had a Jewish agent and Jewish lawyer and found a more profitable venue than Avon).
America First, you sure have us Jews pinned right to the mat, under the spotlight and magnifying glass. But please, sir, are you telling me I have no chances?
Can you tell me if there is any way I can escape the ugly, usurious, and in-humane personal qualities I have most assuredly (no matter what my own personal conduct, that’s a given) inherited or acquired as a Jew? Look, I don’t want to be like that!
What should I do? Is there any escape? Or would anything I might do, think or say only be a flimsy cover for my essential Jewish nature? You must help me, America First!! They say you can “pray away the gay”; how can I hew away the Jew?
If Israel has to exist as a Jewish nation. It has to apply all its Jewish Laws; unless it decided to forego its Judaic identity. But so far, it cannot apply fully its Traditional Jewish laws as all its requisite practices, including the temple worship particularly the authentic Holiest of all in its glorious presence does not exist anymore. This would be the principal obstacle to this intent. If the present Jews would insist, it would be apostasy as the deficient reality will cast doubt to the idea.
Those who have eaten pork will undergo ‘cleansing rituals’ and those who refused, will be ejected socially from and not allowed to join the congregation. I donot know if the Jews would also adopt stoning as death punishment to the extreme violators.
With this ‘pure’ intent to adopt the Torah, the Jews will be forced to reassess its national soul…Will it insist despite the loss of the authentic temple worship, and all its ordained paraphernalia? In relation to this actual loss, will the nation take a second look on the impact of the Gospels to be able move forward, or it simply insist and in reality violate the spirit of the Torah? This direction really amazes me. It really matches the scenario written in the Book of Revelation which is suggestive of the strict implementation of the Sabbath laws, that also precedes the (2nd) coming of the Son of man (Matthew 24:20).
The present accumulation of Islamic nations (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, the rest of the Islamic countries north of Israel (possibly Georgia, Kazakhtan, Azerbaijan, Chechnia, and some muslim regions of China, and now including Turkey) that grow hatred against the Jews (aggravated by the black propaganda and cultural infiltration of Islamic militancy worldwide) , and growing anti-semitism in Europe (particularly Britain) and in some agencies of the UN, are becoming more capable of sending 200M soldiers against Israel. The current militant anti-semitic movements globally seemed leading to the prophesied final encounter at the Megiddo Valley. I think the whole world is currently being ‘winnowed and separated between grains, and staff’ (such as semitic and anti-semitic)… an extremely interesting developments.