Comments on: Israel fears ‘paradigm shift’ to grassroots nonviolent resistance in West Bank

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:30:18 +0000

I’m not as sure it will come to that, potsherd, but you’re right — without further intervention by the international community, the Nakba will continue in Bil’in. We have to keep pushing for that intervention.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:27:28 +0000

Simple — readership. The readership of this blog is, for better or for worse, relatively small compared to something like YouTube and Huffington Post. And — like it or not — but it is regarded as a Jewish blog. Not by me — it seems pretty clear to me that Mr. Weiss, while speaking from his own perspective as a Jew, invites many other perspectives here — but outwardly, it’s considered a Jewish blog, by Jews and for Jews.

You have to remember the core of Zionist philosophy — Jews are exceptional. Hasbara is reserved for the non-Jewish audience — those who, they perceive, need to be “tricked” into tolerating or supporting Zionism. It’s assumed that Jews are “smart” enough to turn to “their own best interests” sooner or later. You can get a subtext of that in the way Witty address Mr. Weiss, actually.

By: potsherd

potsherd — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:22:52 +0000

The army has decided to end the demonstrations against the wall – so it acts.

The army has decided not to obey the court that ordered the wall removed from Bil’in and rerouted – so it refuses to act.

It is the army who is in violation of the law, except that in the territories, the army is the law.

Eventually, Bil’in will be depopulated, the entire population in prison, and someone may notice.

By: Danaa

Danaa — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:14:14 +0000

Chaos – how come we don’t have more of them here? there was Nomi who disappeared in short order, a couple of level 1 operatives (like OJ) and the blog’s own fixtures RW and WJ, who do their jobs tirelessly (kudos guys!).

But where is the swarm? maybe they get stopped at the gates? are they afraid of Mooser? or you?

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:11:12 +0000

And a follow up question, although it looks like you’ve fled the proverbial scene — supposing the Palestinians demand the 67 borders exactly. No settlements in the occupied territories whatsoever? East Jerusalem relinquished by Israel entirely? Suppose the precondition is that Israel must return to the pre-67 borders (which are pretty generous over the UN 181 borders, which in tern were extraordinarily generous to an insurgent population making up only a third of the region’s people who were almost exclusively immigrants, possessing 6% of the land).

Then what?

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:33:20 +0000

I think you really are the only person I’ve ever met, Witty, that sincerely believes that democracy is only possible via racial segregation. Oh, I’ve heard other people endorse racial segregation before, but none of them are quite as disingenuous as to make an Orwellian construction presenting it as “seperate but equal” anymore. You’re somethign of a living fossil, you are.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:23:37 +0000

“Approximately,” huh.

Kind of like how the 67 borders are “approximately” the 1948 borders? What about the Golan Heights?

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:17:33 +0000

If you have time, I recommend keeping an eye on the comments on the article. As soon as the Israeli Foreign Ministry notices this article, it’ll be absolutely flooded and 30% of the posts will be by the commenters StCuthbert, LonelyGod and Oleg1.

Seriously. You can literally see the wave of hasbara hit comment sections on the internet.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:08:39 +0000

Towards a permanent peace at approximately 67 borders, wonderful.

Towards a single-state or any continued terror or permanent confrontation, its another form of war.