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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Zionism not only uprooted the Palestinians but wiped out, and deliberately so, centuries of Jewish culture for which the European Ashekenazi had no respect. As for the odious Uris, whose racism oozed from virtually every joint, the facts of the matter are (and it is no secret) that the Israelis were receiving arms and the machinery to manufacture them from the US beginning in 1945 and although it was illegal, the FBI under J Headgear Hoover looked the other way. Then, in 48, they were also receiving arms from Czechoslovakia whereas those of the Arab armies were ancient and more suited for another era. The story of that war that has been presented to the world with its heroic Jews fighting against tremendous odds the armies of five, count them, five Arab armies, is another Zionist myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Zionism not only uprooted the Palestinians but wiped out, and deliberately so, centuries of Jewish culture for which the European Ashekenazi had no respect. As for the odious Uris, whose racism oozed from virtually every joint, the facts of the matter are (and it is no secret) that the Israelis were receiving arms and the machinery to manufacture them from the US beginning in 1945 and although it was illegal, the FBI under J Headgear Hoover looked the other way. Then, in 48, they were also receiving arms from Czechoslovakia whereas those of the Arab armies were ancient and more suited for another era. The story of that war that has been presented to the world with its heroic Jews fighting against tremendous odds the armies of five, count them, five Arab armies, is another Zionist myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfortunately a part of Jewish family tradition to raise the offspring to believe that all gentiles are inherently antisemitic, that, as Yitzhak Shamir would publicly say, &quot;they imbibe it with their mother&#039;s milk.&quot;  One result of this nonsense is, of course, Israel as should be obvious to anyone reading the writings of Herzl and his early Zionist colleagues.  Another result of that indoctrination was to make those Jews anti anyone who was not Jewish and maintain a clannishness long after the walls of the ghettos had been placed in museums or sold in auction houses.  This is as much a part of Judaism as it is Jewish culture. 

In recent years, as a younger generation of Jews has assimilated and disappointed their parents by marrying a non-Jew, this has created a crisis in the American Jewish community which you can read about in any Jewish newspaper. The sad fact of the matter is that being anti-gentile (or goy in their terms) is as much a part of being a part of the Jewish community as is being a Zionist.  In other words, a racist in the practical sense. Strange isn&#039;t it, that it&#039;s the one form of racism you never hear about?  What distinguishes the orthodox, ultra-orthdox, the haredi or hassidim, from the other Jewish demoniations, is that among themselves they are quite open about it, as they are in Israel. 

For a sampling, for those with the stomach for it, I suggest The Jewish Press, that bills itself the largest independent Jewish paper in the US (it certainly has by far  the most pages). To give you some idea of what cesspool it is   coming from (as well as its political clout), Rabbi Meir Kahane used to have a weekly column and on the next page was one by NY&#039;s Jewish mayor, Ed Koch.  (After Kahane was killed, one of his successor&#039;s took over).The paper&#039;s columnists as did its editorial writer had high praise for Baruch Goldtein, the doctor from Brooklyn who massacred 29 Palestinians in the mosque in Hebron, and sympathized with Rabin&#039;s assassin. 
www.jewishpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunately a part of Jewish family tradition to raise the offspring to believe that all gentiles are inherently antisemitic, that, as Yitzhak Shamir would publicly say, &#8220;they imbibe it with their mother&#8217;s milk.&#8221;  One result of this nonsense is, of course, Israel as should be obvious to anyone reading the writings of Herzl and his early Zionist colleagues.  Another result of that indoctrination was to make those Jews anti anyone who was not Jewish and maintain a clannishness long after the walls of the ghettos had been placed in museums or sold in auction houses.  This is as much a part of Judaism as it is Jewish culture. </p>
<p>In recent years, as a younger generation of Jews has assimilated and disappointed their parents by marrying a non-Jew, this has created a crisis in the American Jewish community which you can read about in any Jewish newspaper. The sad fact of the matter is that being anti-gentile (or goy in their terms) is as much a part of being a part of the Jewish community as is being a Zionist.  In other words, a racist in the practical sense. Strange isn&#8217;t it, that it&#8217;s the one form of racism you never hear about?  What distinguishes the orthodox, ultra-orthdox, the haredi or hassidim, from the other Jewish demoniations, is that among themselves they are quite open about it, as they are in Israel. </p>
<p>For a sampling, for those with the stomach for it, I suggest The Jewish Press, that bills itself the largest independent Jewish paper in the US (it certainly has by far  the most pages). To give you some idea of what cesspool it is   coming from (as well as its political clout), Rabbi Meir Kahane used to have a weekly column and on the next page was one by NY&#8217;s Jewish mayor, Ed Koch.  (After Kahane was killed, one of his successor&#8217;s took over).The paper&#8217;s columnists as did its editorial writer had high praise for Baruch Goldtein, the doctor from Brooklyn who massacred 29 Palestinians in the mosque in Hebron, and sympathized with Rabin&#8217;s assassin.<br />
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Blankfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Blankfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloni has never rejoiced in US support or the actions on Israel&#039;s behalf by American Jews to get that support and she said that publicly, as part of an attack on Stephen Solarz, a former Israel Firster in the US Congress, over efforts by American Jews to force the US to grant Israel $10 billion in loan guarantees in 1991 which she opposed.  She is or was, unfortunately, only one of a not more than a handful of Israeli public figures to take that position. The late General Matti Peled was another one but found it was not a message that American Jews wanted to hear when he tried to tell them that more than a quarter century years ago.

Even the urbane South African, Abba Eban, who became Mr.Israel,thanks to his appearances on US television became a political non-person in Isael after the word leaked that he had advised NY Times editorial writer Max Frankel, to write an editorial suggesting reducing economing (of course not military aid!) to Israel in the early 80s. When the outraged Zionist lobby attached the thumbscrews to Frankel, he confessed that Eban made him do it. You won&#039;t find that incident in any book. It came from Peled in a conversation on his speaking tour of the US.  Nowadays, Israeli critics of Israel are far more censored in the US than they were then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloni has never rejoiced in US support or the actions on Israel&#8217;s behalf by American Jews to get that support and she said that publicly, as part of an attack on Stephen Solarz, a former Israel Firster in the US Congress, over efforts by American Jews to force the US to grant Israel $10 billion in loan guarantees in 1991 which she opposed.  She is or was, unfortunately, only one of a not more than a handful of Israeli public figures to take that position. The late General Matti Peled was another one but found it was not a message that American Jews wanted to hear when he tried to tell them that more than a quarter century years ago.</p>
<p>Even the urbane South African, Abba Eban, who became Mr.Israel,thanks to his appearances on US television became a political non-person in Isael after the word leaked that he had advised NY Times editorial writer Max Frankel, to write an editorial suggesting reducing economing (of course not military aid!) to Israel in the early 80s. When the outraged Zionist lobby attached the thumbscrews to Frankel, he confessed that Eban made him do it. You won&#8217;t find that incident in any book. It came from Peled in a conversation on his speaking tour of the US.  Nowadays, Israeli critics of Israel are far more censored in the US than they were then.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The late Leon Uris does not need my defense, but the characters in Exodus were speaking in 1948 and at that time a statement that Jews can only rely on themselves made perfect sense.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not for Middle Eastern Jews it didn&#039;t. After 1948 they had at least as much to worry about (if not more) from Zionist false flag terror as actual, and misplaced, backlash against Jews outside of Israel for the Nakba. And what did they get out of the Zionist protection racket? Hundreds of years of rich Jewish culture that had previously coexisted alongside Islam and Christianity, flushed down the toilet so that the Ashkenazim could have cheap labor.</description>
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The late Leon Uris does not need my defense, but the characters in Exodus were speaking in 1948 and at that time a statement that Jews can only rely on themselves made perfect sense.
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<p>Not for Middle Eastern Jews it didn&#8217;t. After 1948 they had at least as much to worry about (if not more) from Zionist false flag terror as actual, and misplaced, backlash against Jews outside of Israel for the Nakba. And what did they get out of the Zionist protection racket? Hundreds of years of rich Jewish culture that had previously coexisted alongside Islam and Christianity, flushed down the toilet so that the Ashkenazim could have cheap labor.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - Ethnocentrism may be putrid today and certain attitudes might reflect hubris today, but Leon Uris weakens your point.

       &quot;the damage of putrid ethnocentrism, a hubris born of the Leon Uris statement in Exodus that Jews can only rely on themselves.&quot;  

      The late Leon Uris does not need my defense, but the characters in Exodus were speaking in 1948 and at that time a statement that Jews can only rely on themselves made perfect sense.  Although compensating for Jewish helplessness in Europe with Jewish militarism in the Middle East might not make sense, the fact of Jewish helplessness in Europe was foremost in many Jewish minds at the time and the fact was that the Jews could not rely on anybody else to help them. (I assume you are familiar with the saga of Jan Karski.)

        This indeed may be ethnocentric, but it is not an example of hubris.  It is not pride to consider oneself alone, it is either factual or not.  Previously you have excoriated the son of Podhoretz for not realizing that the times have changed since the late 40&#039;s and it may be factual that Israel or the Jews are no longer alone.  But in either case it is a question of political judgment rather than pride.

       Although there were many Jews who were not ethnocentric even in the aftermath of WWII, I don&#039;t think that ethnocentrism for Jews in 1948 was putrid, but actually better than other possible reactions:  like converting to Christianity to protect one&#039;s children from the scourge of antisemitism by bowing to the will of the antisemites.  (Madeline Albright&#039;s parents come to mind.)

       Times may have changed and in fact I believe they have changed and maybe at this point in time one can refer to ethnocentrism as putrid and a belief in the seemingly eternal right of Israel to unquestioning support from the United States for their policies on the wrong side of the green line as hubris.  But if you wish to emphasize that the times have changed, then a quote from Leon Uris&#039;s Exodus is certainly misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; Ethnocentrism may be putrid today and certain attitudes might reflect hubris today, but Leon Uris weakens your point.</p>
<p>       &#8220;the damage of putrid ethnocentrism, a hubris born of the Leon Uris statement in Exodus that Jews can only rely on themselves.&#8221;  </p>
<p>      The late Leon Uris does not need my defense, but the characters in Exodus were speaking in 1948 and at that time a statement that Jews can only rely on themselves made perfect sense.  Although compensating for Jewish helplessness in Europe with Jewish militarism in the Middle East might not make sense, the fact of Jewish helplessness in Europe was foremost in many Jewish minds at the time and the fact was that the Jews could not rely on anybody else to help them. (I assume you are familiar with the saga of Jan Karski.)</p>
<p>        This indeed may be ethnocentric, but it is not an example of hubris.  It is not pride to consider oneself alone, it is either factual or not.  Previously you have excoriated the son of Podhoretz for not realizing that the times have changed since the late 40&#8242;s and it may be factual that Israel or the Jews are no longer alone.  But in either case it is a question of political judgment rather than pride.</p>
<p>       Although there were many Jews who were not ethnocentric even in the aftermath of WWII, I don&#8217;t think that ethnocentrism for Jews in 1948 was putrid, but actually better than other possible reactions:  like converting to Christianity to protect one&#8217;s children from the scourge of antisemitism by bowing to the will of the antisemites.  (Madeline Albright&#8217;s parents come to mind.)</p>
<p>       Times may have changed and in fact I believe they have changed and maybe at this point in time one can refer to ethnocentrism as putrid and a belief in the seemingly eternal right of Israel to unquestioning support from the United States for their policies on the wrong side of the green line as hubris.  But if you wish to emphasize that the times have changed, then a quote from Leon Uris&#8217;s Exodus is certainly misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Never depend on the kindness of gentiles&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Never depend on the kindness of gentiles&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interrogation of exceptionalist Jewish identity. Kerstein&#8217;s rap on the goyim is no different from the goyim rap on this blog last night. It is the Jewish belief that having suffered the greatest inhumanity in history (a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interrogation of exceptionalist Jewish identity. Kerstein&#8217;s rap on the goyim is no different from the goyim rap on this blog last night. It is the Jewish belief that having suffered the greatest inhumanity in history (a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a word about &quot;what will the goyim say?&quot;.  It&#039;s a pretty folksy expression that implies a ceratin lack of Jewish self-respect or pride, a need for external validation.  In the Zionist lexicon, worrying about what the goyim will say is the mark of a weak, diaspora Jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a word about &#8220;what will the goyim say?&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a pretty folksy expression that implies a ceratin lack of Jewish self-respect or pride, a need for external validation.  In the Zionist lexicon, worrying about what the goyim will say is the mark of a weak, diaspora Jew.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is relevant how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is relevant how?</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched about ten minutes of the show (the first time since the Gaza Massacre), and it was as self-referential as self-referential can be.  There was a representative of the right wing of Kadimah (Gideon Ezra) and the left wing of Likud (Yossi Peled), and a pair of interviewers trying to challenge them without going too far or criticising the government too much.  Peled supported the freeze in order to show the world that Israel is serious about peace, but drew the line at construction for Jews in Jerusalem, near the Palestinian neighbourhood of Jebel Mukabar, which he said must go on.  He also said that Israel must try to &quot;maintain collegiality between allies&quot;, without compromising its own positions, of course.  Ezra also supported the freeze, but called the construction in Jebel Mukabar a &quot;provocation&quot;.  On the other hand, he said construction in Gilo should go on as planned.  The practical and ideological differences between the two (four, if we include the anchors) were absolutely underwhelming.

Caspit challenged his interviewees, taking the position of Limor Livnat (Likud) that the current US administration  is bad for Israel, and asked (here&#039;s the context Avishai left out) what happens if the freeze doesn&#039;t lead to a resumption of talks (note: &quot;talks&quot;, not progress or agreement)?  &quot;Then we will have stopped construction for ten months for no reason, just so the the goyim will say that we&#039;re OK.&quot;

Nasty stuff all &#039;round, but I didn&#039;t get the sense of &quot;playing the goyim&quot; from any of the speakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched about ten minutes of the show (the first time since the Gaza Massacre), and it was as self-referential as self-referential can be.  There was a representative of the right wing of Kadimah (Gideon Ezra) and the left wing of Likud (Yossi Peled), and a pair of interviewers trying to challenge them without going too far or criticising the government too much.  Peled supported the freeze in order to show the world that Israel is serious about peace, but drew the line at construction for Jews in Jerusalem, near the Palestinian neighbourhood of Jebel Mukabar, which he said must go on.  He also said that Israel must try to &#8220;maintain collegiality between allies&#8221;, without compromising its own positions, of course.  Ezra also supported the freeze, but called the construction in Jebel Mukabar a &#8220;provocation&#8221;.  On the other hand, he said construction in Gilo should go on as planned.  The practical and ideological differences between the two (four, if we include the anchors) were absolutely underwhelming.</p>
<p>Caspit challenged his interviewees, taking the position of Limor Livnat (Likud) that the current US administration  is bad for Israel, and asked (here&#8217;s the context Avishai left out) what happens if the freeze doesn&#8217;t lead to a resumption of talks (note: &#8220;talks&#8221;, not progress or agreement)?  &#8220;Then we will have stopped construction for ten months for no reason, just so the the goyim will say that we&#8217;re OK.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nasty stuff all &#8217;round, but I didn&#8217;t get the sense of &#8220;playing the goyim&#8221; from any of the speakers.</p>
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		<title>By: America First</title>
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		<dc:creator>America First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another way of spitting on the goyim:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; That would be wise for Lambert, who deeply offended some of his fans and prime-time viewers of the AMAs with his racy sexual slavery number. In it, Lambert flaunted his sexuality by simulating various sex acts and even orgasm during the debut performance of his new single, “For Your Entertainment.” In between dragging his dancers by a leash, Lambert gyrated around while holding a male dancer’s head in his crotch. He also made out with his keyboardist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/after_ama_debacle_adam_lambert_promises_fans_a_new_direction_20091130/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another way of spitting on the goyim:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p> That would be wise for Lambert, who deeply offended some of his fans and prime-time viewers of the AMAs with his racy sexual slavery number. In it, Lambert flaunted his sexuality by simulating various sex acts and even orgasm during the debut performance of his new single, “For Your Entertainment.” In between dragging his dancers by a leash, Lambert gyrated around while holding a male dancer’s head in his crotch. He also made out with his keyboardist.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/after_ama_debacle_adam_lambert_promises_fans_a_new_direction_20091130/">link to jewishjournal.com</a></p>
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