The above video is part of the Knesset debate that Phil posted on earlier today. It begins with Palestinian MK Ahmed Tibi challenging two bills before the parliament. One pertains to a law that makes it impossible for non-Jewish Israeli citizens to extend their citizenship to a non-Jewish spouse. This is used to prevent Palestinian citizens of Israel from marrying Palestinians in the occupied territories and this making them Israeli citizens.
The second bill would legalize a policy that has been practiced for years in Jewish communities located in primarily Palestinian parts of Israel such as the Galilee and Negev. It is common in these areas for Jewish community associations to deny people the right to build a home in that community if they are found to not fit the “lifestyle and social fabric” of the community or "the basic ideology it espouses." This is used to keep Palestinians out of Jewish-only communities, which as you can imagine are usually better resourced and supported by the state.
Arutz Sheva, the settler movement newswire, covered the debate. From the article "Jewish MKs Lay Down Ground Rules, Arab MKs Furious":
Radical Arab Knesset Members are seething as the parliament debates a set of bills that seek to solidify Israel’s Jewish nature. MK Yariv Levine (Likud) said Tuesday, “There is a need to clarify basic truths that were clear in the past but for some reason have been forgotten.”
"There is a need to remind people again that the State of Israel is not ‘a Jewish and democratic state,’ but rather ‘a Jewish state with a democratic regime,’" the Likud MK said, "and that Israel was established for the purpose of being the state of the Jewish people."
It would seem that the "democratic regime" is in mortal danger, if it ever existed at all (which I don’t think it did). Tibi is quoted as saying the housing bill is "racism disguised as social homogeneity. It’s the laws of the white man’s rule."
A Jewish state with a democratic regime, established for the purpose of being the state of the Jewish people. This guy is being honest. A state established for the Jews with internal
democracy for Jews.
And so it is!
Too bad the land involved had and has other non-Jewish human critters there.
I mean, oh my god, even the Balfour Declaration recognized that!
How can Tibi hang out with these guys on a daily basis…
He gets the satisfaction of knowing it curdles their guts every time they see him there.
True… very true.
Then he go back and report the inner workings of the Knesset to his handlers in Beirut.
he is reporting on racism for anyone interested… no wonder israel was so opposed to the durban conference with info like this coming out! if israel wants to be a jewish state with democracy for jews only, then they need to have the guts to state it as such to the rest of the world, instead of hiding behind bullshit about israel being a democracy… it is only a matter of time before the lid comes off all of israels aspirations if this is what they amount to…
So in your mind, all the Palestinian members of the Knesset are foreign agents? Funny, that smells like… racism, huh.
You’re total lack of knowledge about the region blows my mind.
First off Chaos, He is an Israeli Arab MK, he is not a Palestinian. He made a conscious choice to be an Israeli, not a Palestinian.
Secondly, I was referring to his visit and meeting w/ Lebanese officials which is a treasonous act since Lebanon and Israel are officially at war.
Do I think MK Tibi or any of the other Israeli Arab members of the Knesset foreign agents, of course not, I was being facetious, I was just trying to show off to my new friend Mooser.
Yonira,
Tibi is a Palestinian Arab Israeli citizen. Zionist propaganda has always preferred to ignore the Palestinian part , referring to Palestinian Israelis (a constant 20% of the population) as “Israeli Arabs”. Tibi, and most Palestinian Israelis refer to themselves as “Palestinian citizens of Israel”. Tibi did not make “a conscious choice” to become an Israeli citizen. He is an Israeli citizen by birth (albeit a second class Israeli citizen).
Now we come to some irony. Zionists insist that Tibi is not a Palestinian, but an Arab (he is of course both; see above). It is precisely because he and his constituents are Arabs that he claims the right and need to visit Arab countries. Your equating such visits with actual espionage may have been facetious but, as we say in Hebrew, one does not talk about rope in the house of the hanged. Palestinian MKs are regularly maligned, marginalised, delegitimised and threatened, in the Knesset and Jewish-Israeli society in general, and the favourite excuse has always been that they are – must be – spies (even when they don’t visit Arab countries). If you believe that Palestinian Israelis deserve any kind of democratic rights (as I believe you do), you should be more a little more careful about how you throw such accusations around.
Yonira, other than your attempt to be clever, do you have a real response to Tibi?
Shmuel is on target, as usual. Also, as Phil and others point out repeatedly, all the major Israeli political parties refuse to even think about including any Palestinian MKs in governing coalitions. What kind of democracy tells a fifth of its people they can never hope to form part of the government?
She never has a real response to anything, she just blathers on and on.
Wow, and yonira doesn’t even merit a pithy comment from you, Mooser. I mean, fair enough, but still… ouch. :)
Shmuel, thank you for your response, my question to you is, does he carry any sort of Palestinian ID or simply an Israeli one. I am pretty sure that none of these Israeli Arabs carry any sort of IDs or papers which align them w/ the occupied territories and/or the PA as a government entity? I was referring to it in this instance, not necessarily from an ideological one.
As for being careful about throwing around accusations, I don’t believe this is the forum for being careful(although I will try to clarify when I am being mocking in the future). The difference between me and people like America First and Rehmet are I am being facetious about such accusations, where they wholeheartedly believe all the shit they spew on here.
oh snap girlfriend…
Judy,
what are you talking about? Is Tibi blogging on here? If so its any honor to be in your presence sir.
yonira should not attempt clever. Like Rocky told Bullwinkle, “that trick never works.”
So let me get this straight yonira –
Any Jew in the world can fly off to Israel declare their “Jewishness” and — bam! — they’re Israeli. Meanwhile, the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and their descendants who were driven from Israel are categorically denied the right to return to their own homeland.
Meanwhile, the Palestinians that Zionist militants weren’t successful at completely eradicating from the judenreich, they no longer qualify as Palestinian in your eyes because Israel was so goddamn gracious as to extend them citizenship — “We only generally do this for Jews, you know! You should feel privileged!”
You want Judaism to flip-flop from one expedient definition to another — It’s a race! It’s a religion! It’s a race! It’s a nationality! It’s a self-defined identity! — all the while dictating who gets to call themselves Palestinian and who doesn’t.
And then there’s this monstrosity being inflicted upon Palestinians, if you’d care to tell us how that factors into your worldview, yonira.
Yonira,
Ahmad Tibi is an Israeli citizen, born and raised in Taibeh. He has an Israeli birth certificate, identity card, passport, and a degree in medicine from Hebrew University. All of the Palestinian MKs are Israeli citizens, and carry no Palestinian IDs of any kind. Of course their “nationality” (le’om) is marked “Arab” (aravi) on their Israeli IDs, but that’s another (disgraceful) story.
Facetious or not, your remark put you in the same camp as Lieberman, Effi Etam, and other wild-eyed racists obsessed with Tibi and the other Palestinian MKs. I would hope that’s a place you would rather not be. I have said as much to other commenters here, who have tried to hide behind the excuse of hyperbole or humour. A joke’s a joke, but racism is not funny.
It is not true that Israeli political parties refuse to include Palestinian MK’s. They refuse to include parties that are against Zionism. There have been Palestinian MK’s who are members in Zionist parties that have been in the governing coalition and in the cabinet.
what in the fuck are you babbling about girlfriend? seriously. Are you trying to argue how citizenship works right now? That’s all I am talking about, citizenship. Please read Shmuel’s post below, he articulated it much better than I ever could have.
Just how many muslims there were in cabinet of Israel, ever?
Raleb Majadele who was a sport minister in Omert’s government and……………………..?
One. Raleb Majadele was appointed minister of science, culture and sports in 2007. Before that, the only Palestinian minister was an Israeli Druze appointed without portfolio in 2001 and forced to resign shortly thereafter because of corruption charges.
Two Israeli Arab ministers, both in minor positions, in all of Israel’s history.
Here’s a Haaretz piece on Majadele’s troubles as minister:
more here:
link to haaretz.com
The Carey Prejean act really looks good on you, yonira. Out of curiosity, have you made any “special tapes” to go along with that “special education” you demonstrate?
WJ,
Why on earth should aPalestinian be a member of a Zionist party? So what we have is a de facto and de jure (see eg. the Basic Law: The Knesset) state ideology that – by definition – excludes 20% of the population (the indigenous part, to boot). Democracy for Jews (as long as they subscribe to the state ideology of Zionism) is not democracy, and Zionism is racism. This state of affairs is in no way comparable to “French and Democratic” or whatever other fallacious examples Zionist propagandists like to cite. It is more like “white supremacist and democratic”.
One more why-on-earth question: Why on earth should Palestinians (or any other non-Jews for that mattter) be expected to accept and even actively support this?
Whats a “Palestinian ID”? Do Palestinians exist if they are not recorded in the IDF register? What makes them Palestinians? The orange card in the West Bank? The maroon one in Gaza? The blue one in Jerusalem?
The more I read about Israel’s policies the more I wonder about what it must mean to be a Jew.
The above is meant for yonira. This blog has a strange thread comment policy :p
Worse still, those color-coded ID cards trump any other national citizenship. My husband holds a Gaza huwiyye, AND US citizenship. Unfortunately, the only thing that matters in the eyes of the Israeli gov’t is the fact that he was born in Gaza.
Yonira, I’m just pointing out that your “joking” response to the mere mention of MK Tibi sounded like that of any uneducated right-wing Israeli: Tibi’s a traitor.
That’s not how you presented yourself on other threads. I am just curious if you have any real thoughts to share about the role of Arab MKs… or are they all traitors to Israeli in your eyes?
Thats not all, when Israel conducted the initial snap census in 1967, before it issued these IDs, in one instant many Palestinians, simply by being abroad as visitors or students, instantly lost their home, statehood and identity.
link to fmreview.org
How can ANYONE be so callous of another person?
Have we realized the Principles of Attrition? This is a tragic and horrible principle which defined some ‘rule by the tip of the sword’, or ‘by the barrel of a gun’. If one person or people allowed some wrongs done to exist for a very substantial period of time, this mistake shall be conventionally accepted a fact. An example of this principle was recorded in Judges 11:26. This why offenses of some nations committed to another nations became permanent. Look at the weaker nations of Europe, their boundaries were altered many times after the two world wars (WW I and II). The British have a penchant of doing this with smaller or weaker Arab tribes or nations as well as in Asian region. Generally the only classic mitigation for such wrong is to wage a war against the dominating power. The Palestine could have fought a war against the British for their homeland if indeed this was their homeland. I do suspect many British socialists symphatizes with the Palestinians out of remorse or guilt feelings over their impoverished colonies (such as in the case of Australian aborigines), but they should have turned this country over the Palestine during their control. The Israelis have stood pat and battled for these lands they called their home. And they were victorious. So here comes this war of liberation by Palestine against Israel which the world accepted it as a normal thing to happen. What we people of the world want is that they settle their account among themselves by their own ways and means, and not to involve lost of lives of innocent persons.
Why should Palestine include outsiders or foreigners in condemning Israel? The Palestinians should have agreed among themselves for the best measure for a win-win solution. The lands offered for them by Israel is more than good enough, than to continously lose lives and never enjoyed the fruits of cultivating the land, nor find their identity. This is much better that refuse such offer and demand for the total destruction of Israel which the almost entire world (and most of all the Almighty) would never agree. Now, the struggles and misery of Palestinians continues with apparently no solution at end…
Israel as to their ancient governance has been subdivided into tribes. And these are based on ‘households’ and basically by ‘communal adoption’ or blood line. Whether we like this or not this in a Jewish state has to be practised. And this as a voluntary or act of free choice, is the primary basis for citizenship and the greater sense of belongness. Is this not a form of Racism, Ethnicism, or what (whatever you call it) without any choice nor option. Shall we condemn them?
I liked the Jewish marriage and dating forum, especially the music it was introduced with…lol By the tone of the conversation and the nonsense being introduced as valid bills Israel has almost arrived at that social level I mentioned before with this link –
ALMOST ARRIVED
The video upset me as well. The question of Israel AND democratic, rather than democracy among Jews, is a very big distinction, and does play out in law and administration.
At the same time, again, the video was edited, leaving fundamental unanswered questions about context, rather than incidental.
Also, the statements are by one individual, sadly represented by more than I am happy with.
Yeah, Witty. It does play out in law and administration — and it plays out exactly as the Rabbi describes it.
Incidentally, the Rabbi I was referring to is the one over here, since you probably ignored that article too: link to mondoweiss.net
witty, does it upset you that israel is a racist society with democracy just a convenient facade???
You may call it racism, others including me may call it ‘cultural purity’ it depnds on how we look at it. But the fact remains, the Israeli as a ‘traditionally destined’ national order to achieve, and by this ‘virtue of destiny’ they are being allowed to achieve it. Otherwise they could have been destroyed during the 1967 war. We have to understand it; and the best thing to do is to live with them in peace and prosperity by integrating into their system. Have your father not chosen to become an Isarel citizen during the so called Palestine ‘referendum’?
Thank you, zamaaz, for the quote of the day:
You may call it racism, others including me may call it ‘cultural purity’
This system is indeed working. As long as one is living within the parameters of Jewish laws, they are free…in a democratic society. This system is similar to marriage, as it was written; ‘the bed of marriage is undefiled’ (Hebrews 13:4) were one can sensually express his desire to a woman without committing immorality inasmuch as they are husband and wife.
It is not democratic under any definition of the word. Look it up. Words have distinct meanings, and the word ‘democracy’ is one of them, no matter how much Israelis like to cover their antediluvian mindset and practices with a cloak of tortured modernity. Israel is ethnocratic, at best, and what you are discussing is that it is about to become theocratic.
Democratic it is not.
In reality, there is no such thing as absolute democracy nor absolute freedom. All these complexities and contradictions are within the bounds of divine ordinances. It is either you are within or outside this bound. Its your choice. There is only one being written who have been insisting for such absolute right …’eons ago’. That is why conflict finds no end.
The Jewish system is distinct from all countries in the world. It was established and guided by the ordinances of God as uttered by the prophets. We cannot expect it to run exactly through like the secular laws of the Gentiles. For Israel, it is up to Israelis to either stick to the Mosaic Laws (Torah) and continue the same controversies with God, or expand their political horizon with experiences learned from pages of centuries of history. The laws of United States of America were established under the influence of Christian principles (claimed as an inspired revision of the Mosaic Laws). Their fate as a Jewish nation stands on their ‘hands’ (decision) weither they have to live, or perish before the Almighty. We just hope and pray they make the right decisions.
This is dead wrong: “The laws of United States of America were established under the influence of Christian principles (claimed as an inspired revision of the Mosaic Laws).”
The laws of the US were based on British Common Law, which had been in effect for over 600 years when The Founding Fathers delineated the US legal system. It was the Magna Carta (in 1215) that created the constitutional separation of the King (Head of the Church of England) and his subjects, and introduced the concept of habeas corpus, which protected the right of all citizens and aliens (all the King’s subjects) to a right to trial whether presumed guilty or not. The Magna Carta means Great Charter and it was known as The Great Charter of Freedoms, which those who created Israel knew nothing about. And it was habeas corpus that George Bush and his neocons suspended in September 2006.
If “All Men Are Created Equal” is a Christian principle, as you seem to suggest, then Jews didn’t get the message.
Excellent comment, MRW, although I suspect zamaaz is not listening.
Thanks, Shmuel. I’m sure he’s not listening; he thought he could drop a cow-flop and run.
BTW, you might be interested in that article I quote from. It’s long but, frankly, worth every inch, and in my view, ought to be required reading before you’re allowed to comment on this board, yourself excluded because your comments tell me you’re aware of the contents already.
Even if the laws of USA are rooted from the English laws, even the laws of England, no matter how you look at them they also remain rooted to the Christian principles…Even since pre-medieval times the Christian faith (no matter how distorted they were through the Church ) was made the pillar of survival of English governments. How many kingdoms in Europe were anchored to the church in order to survive politically?
Equality: is the most abused concept in the world for centuries… This is the root cause of the decay of European societies today…Socialists think equality means all men become equally prosperous (masters)… The meaning was corrupted, abused, and often used out of not in context; Equality basically meant spiritually equal before God (Romans 2:11-12) in a sense of equal in justice (love, and dignity), not by economic privilege nor individual economic responsibility to society. This is why the Bible recognized servitude (slavery) (Exodus 21:5-6). Likewise, Gospels did not attack the issue of slavery, rather taught the slaves to be loyal and honor their masters. Christian teachings recognize the natural differences among men in individual capacity or talents (Matthew 25:14), that there is always the poor among us (Matthew 26:11)…as shown in the parables of the hands. As Europeans continue relying the dirty or hard labor among the migrants, there is always the problem of cultural riots and conflicts among their cities, making European societies weak and open to be devoured by other opposite cultures.
People should listen to zamazz. He makes it clear that Israel abhors equality and justifies slavery, that non-Jews are and always will be 2nd-class citizens in the Israeli state. That it is and always should be abhorrent to any enlightened mind.
And as to the matter of “just leaving the Jews alone”, when they go somewhere they are truly alone, when they are not on the land where another people live, I am sure that most of the world would be very happy indeed to leave them absolutely alone, as people leave alone a leper colony.
“How many kingdoms in Europe were anchored to the church in order to survive politically?”
Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Russia, for starters.
Why should men forced the Jews to turn their back to their national identity established for them more than 3,000 years ago? That is what they were, even before our grandfathers were born; leave them alone in peace…
Is it kosher to use the internet?
their national identity established for them more than 3,000 years ago?
Wha–? There were no such things as nations 3000 years ago. It was an 18th C invention. They had a religious identity.
Did you read the link I provided above? It’s in bold; scroll up. Please read the whole long article. Dont come here with your Grade 11 Cliff Notes version of history, and expect to be well-treated if you aren’t willing to do the work clarifying your understanding and your facts. The regulars on this board are sharp as tacks, except for the trollers, and the occasional Christian Zionist who really has been ‘left behind’ in the knowledge department.
I only based my knowledge on the writings of the Bible… I do believe it is true and correct inasmuch as historical evidences has been turning up lately through archeology…
The notion of nations in relation to ancient times is far different than ours at present. Their political structures are at best at their times but could only be equivalent to communities these days. We only used this word nations for our purpose, and in our present terms…
Who is afraid of Zionism? Zionism is not a mere political movement of 1897. It is the spirit that moves the Jewish people seeking refuge from the ‘sword’ and yearn for ‘home’ and seek their national identity… back to the glorious days of David and Solomon. This is not a myth as Orthodox Judaism claims. This the spirit that has fixed the Jewish fate foreseen as written by prophet Ezekiel (Chapter 38) thousands of years back. Actually we are not just simply debating on the political issues involving Israel. We are actually witnessing future history unfold as foretold by prophets in the ancient days.
they have medication for this now :D
Sorry, but I could not resist. You sound just the kooks who talk about Kalyug.
Oh goody! I love quoting the prophets. How about this one:
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Read the fucking article: Explaining the Long — and Largely Untold — History of Jewish Opposition to Zionism,
What is going to happen next according to the book of Revelation is that the Jewish clergy would insist to reinstall the Jewish rites, and all the traditional laws in Israel (as implied in Matthew 24:20). One very very influential Jew will lead in ‘pushing’ the demand. Then the next major turn of event is the invasion of consolidated forces of enemy nations from the ‘North’ west of the Caspian sea (Islamic and typified in ancient description ‘Magog’) . This collaboration may include countries such as Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, etc.
As we noticed these days, the intensity of anti-Israeli sentiments has started blowing hard in Europe and in countries north of Israel particularly Syria and Turkey. Islamic regions near Caspian sea could be playing crucial roles in these future events.
While reading all those old tomes, I recommend you keep an eye on the sea level. Global warming is more likely to push you into the sea than any imaginary Wave of Doom. lol.
Better yet, look at the seismic map. Israel lies near a rift zone. Any second now, the place could rip asunder and end up at the bottom of the Red Sea.
Awesome! I love that book.
Btw Its Three Men in a Boat (To Say Nothing of the Dog)
naughty naughty, musn’t forget the dog, especially when zamazz is Having a Cow !!!
Was going for the abbreviated title, Sammy, but you’re absolutely right. It was naughty of me to leave out the dog.
You know, if you started to understand the realities around you, you will find stability within yourself. From this stability comes serenity and peace…
The book of Revelation is not kosher.
Why Islamic culture is spreading in Europe?
Why bitter conflict with Palestinians?
Why Turkey is realigning with Iran?
Why Europe is having resurgence of anti-semitism?
Why are the neighboring Islamic countries are possesed with arming with Missles?
All of these events are fanning flames of hatred against the Jews and the Judaic Israel.
and convoluting into an event triggering the inevitable climactic conflict versus Israel.
I have been interested in ancient history in relation to the present turns of events, and they all amazingly aligning closer towards the fulfillment of the ancient prophesies. Chilling…Are these close? Yes, we are. The Iranian dictator is now strongly posturing for the final destruction of Israel. Israel has to option but attack. We are just waiting ’till Israel attacked the nuclear facilities of Iran. then we’ll see…
”Why … –> possesed with arming with Missles?“
Because all the Abrahamic religions, useful for goat-herders, emperors and kings who needed a priestcraft to help give a populace a social order, and control freaks who liked to dictate what you could and could not eat because there was no refrigeration (the ‘ole time version of the FDA), are breaking up. And everything puts up a fight before it does out.
before it DIES out.
Will the enemies become victorious? Yes at the first wave, but not completely. They will only partly conquer Israel. Israel was relatively strong. There will be a stalemate, and the demarcation line cuts at the middle of Jerusalem-right at the middle of the Temple mount. There will be relative calm for three years, and then the second attack, a very intensed battle will ensue accompanied with a very strong eartquake that will cause numerous death, and death from plague will also ensue (because of thousands of unburied corpses).
Your laughter reminds me of laughter of people over Noah. Imagine, building a huge boat at the middle of wilderness!
Not everyone who builds a boat on a sunny day is Noah, zamaaz (logic 101). Most of the time, it’s just foolisheness to build a boat in the wilderness. If building that boat also involves hatred and violence, it is both foolishness and an abomination.
Shmuel: You remind me of my dad. He was raised in a fundamentalist Protestant church, which he rebelled against as a teen-ager. But he knew plenty of Bible, which he used to rebut and discomfit the true believers. As always, a pleasure to read your contributions.
Shmuel, are you quoting Matthew :)
I know, but hey, it’s Christmas! Besides, some of my relatives are in it (Shlomo Sand notwithstanding).
Taking at these things lightly…You know why the world have seen widescale wars, global wars of conquest, greed, ambition (from Shalmanesser, Nebuchadnezzer, Cyrus, Alexander, Augustus, Hitler, etc. ) from one century to another since 600BC? Simply because some Israelis bright guys mocked and laughed at these weirdy socially obscure persons they called ‘prophets’.
Speaking of laughter, there is only one verse in the Bible that the Almighty said he would laugh. He will laugh at people who were almost losing their wits out of unspeakable terror; because they did not listen (Proverbs 1:26-30)…
Not a particularly fun-loving deity, our Jehovah, although he does appreciate a good romp now and then with the leviathan (Ps. 104:26).
Can you blame him? They did take away his beloved Ashereh. He’s frustrated, obviously.
We Jews are accused of deicide, but I think that what we did to poor Jehovah – separating him from his consort and fellow Canaanite gods was far far worse. He’s been really bitter ever since. And as you say, sammy, who can blame him?
Ha. You’re the only person I know apart from Diane who’s up to date on the Ugaritic deities. :p
As Ratosh wrote: “The glory of Yahweh in the mphrt of the gods”
Who’s Diane?
Diane is the awesome lawrence of cyberia – see link in Phils blogroll.
No, I am not prophesying, I am merely reviewing and trying to connect the prophesies of Israeli prophets in the Bible to the present developments. This is the reason I am in ‘Israel watch’. Somehow historically, the past, present, and future fate of the entire world (the rise and fall of Egyptian, Kurdish, Iraqi, Iranian, Greek, and Italian empires) revolved on the fate as well as history of Israel…Totally amazing!
Buy Shlomo Sand’s book, and have a stiff drink.
you just want us to google ” Israel watch” don’t you?
shabby way to get hits, I tell ya. :mad:
There is another passage where God is said to laugh people to scorn, that is Psalm 2 where they reject the authority of the Jerusalem monarchy. In turn God promises the King that the recalcitrant nations will be broken with an iron rod.
John A. Goldingay (of Pasadena) writing in Eerdman’s Bible Commentary suggests that Ezekiel 38′s prophecy of the restoration of both the former Israelite kingdoms under one ruler, of David’s house, is the least successful prophecy in the OT. I would have thought that its fulfilment in Zionist terms is impossible in that the restoration of the ancient monarchy and its rituals was never envisaged by Zionism, a self-consciously modernising force. (It is contemplated in the horrible ‘Protocols’; God forgive me for mentioning them.)
Goldingay goes on to discuss the Gog of Magog passage and warns us in valuable words that the danger facing us is not that we will be caught up in an onslaught against us by the great imperial power of Gog but that we will ‘become Gog’ the arrogant imperialist.
Talking of governments, the modern Israelis may not adopt back to the monarchy, they have the options, the Almighty has advised the Israelis of the abuses, and the perks of kings. They, the Israelis in ancient times before monarchy have this purely participatory form of government through council of elders. This form is compatible with their modern governance. If they decided to implement the Jewish laws this could be one possible option.