Segregation was a thing of the past before I was born, but I still have to disagree with you on a few points.

I don’t believe that many in the South ever denied that racism was a part of their culture. From my experience, most of the older people I have known viewed Northerners as hypocritical on the issue of race. A typical view is that race was used after the Civil War and beyond as a means to control the region. There is some truth to that view. The belief in white superiority was explicit among many in the North for most of the nation’s history. If anything, it is Northerners who refuse to look at their past and examine their own culture.

I have a hard time comparing Zionism to the culture of the South. Even Zionists tend to compare themselves to the manifest destiny era of the North that massacred and displaced the Indians of the plains and the West. I tend to accept the Zionists’ own comparison here . The treatment of blacks in the South was poor, but power was often exercised on the local level– and war was never waged against blacks by governments in the South. As bad as things were, blacks were allowed property, and state militias were not organized against them.

The Zionist analogy also falls apart in that blacks weren’t indigenous to the South, either. Add the fact that Israelis have never lived under a corrupt and vengeful Palestinian elite as whites were forced to do in many cases after the Civil War, and there is even less reason to compare Israel to the South.

I’m not even sure that examining the WASP culture of the North matters at this point, but I certainly see no reason to allow anyone to use any participation in the Civil Rights movement to grant themselves sainthood or political capital when they supported what was happening in Palestine before, during and after the civil rights struggles of the post WWII era.

Martin Luther King was VERY APPRECIATIVE of the financial support and presence at mass demonstrations of liberal moderates.

Don’t get confused Donald.

Hey, I call it where I see it.

That’s not what the stats mean at all.

The US was vetoing calls for a ceasfirew at the UN throughout December and even when the US did help to produce a resolution for a ceasfire, Israel ordered the Bush administration to obstain from voting.

There was no ceasefier and Israel rejected all calls for ceasfire.

The Resolution passed 14 – 0.

Appaerntly Yonira didn’t even get the memo from Israel’s own spokesman, who admitted that Hamas fired no rocekts during the ceasefire.

Israel admits: “No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire” FULL INTERVIEW
link to youtube.com

Debunked garbage.

Israel Rejected Hamas Ceasefire Offer in December
link to ipsnews.net

Furthermore, Olmert bragged about the fact that he interrupted a Bush speach and ordered his to order Rice to abstain from voting on a ceasefire resolution that the US had created.

link to huffingtonpost.com

Facts do matter yonira .

Firing crude munitions when you can’t guarantee that you won’t be killing civilians (i.e. Hamas’ rockets) is a war crime, but firing state of the art munitions (i.e. F-16s, close range tank cannons) at targets you are guaranteed to slaughter civilians in (mosques, hospiutals, refugee camps, etc) isn’t a war crime?

Was that tunnel in Israel? I don’t believe it was, actually. To say nothing of how an incomplete tunnel is an immediate existential threat. Or how dropping a bomb on six people standing on the surface somehow stopped them from digging a tunnel — what technology do the Palestinians possess that allow them to dig a tunnel while standing above ground, pray tell?

Will yonira ever apply the same rules to Israelis as to Palestinians? Or will he continue to be a snarky racist who will traipse merrily on the corpses of Palestinian children in order to make his point?

Just so you guys know, Obama won the election. I suppose you might be wondering about that, since apparently you both spent the entire day in stasis.