Clinging to the ghost of the two-state solution

Israel/Palestine
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Those who complain about the composition of Obama’s Middle East team miss the point, which is: Are they even relevant to what’s going on any more. Here’s an item in which Jeremy Ben-Ami talks shamelessly about "the national home of the Jewish people." As I more or less sensed coming out of the J Street conference, if not even for some time before, J Street and the Obama Administration are the only ones left clinging to the ghost of the two-state solution. To what degree it may be an act in either case is another question. Ben-Ami at JTA:

[Let’s] engage openly and publicly in substantive debate. 

Two good places to start are discussing what policies are likely to ensure the survival of a democratic Israel as the national home of the Jewish people and whether allying with dispensationalist Christian Zionists is actually in the best interests of Israel and the broader Jewish community.

..The many American individuals and organizations (from Irving Moskowitz to the Central Fund of Israel) that provide funding over the Green Line are helping to deepen an occupation that is strangling Israel’s hope for the future.

If there is an argument to be made for deepening and perpetuating the 42-year-old occupation, let’s hear it. If not, let’s join together to stop further funding of this self-defeating enterprise.

When it comes to policy, I’m also happy to debate whether it makes sense for Israel’s best friends in the world, the American Jewish community and the U.S. government, to help Israel avoid the long-run destructive consequences of occupation — even if that leads to some friendly tension between Washington and Jerusalem.

What would be preferable, that Israel’s friends stand back silently as its future slips away?

14 Responses

  1. wondering jew
    February 17, 2010, 10:07 am

    The PLO is ‘still clinging to the ghost of a two state solution’. When the PLO gives up and says, “Today we are disbanding the PA and we ask for the citizens of the West Bank full citizenship in the state of Israel”, then that will be a historic day and not when Jack Ross declares it.

    • Mooser
      February 17, 2010, 11:04 am

      “Today we are disbanding the PA and we ask for the citizens of the West Bank full citizenship in the state of Israel”, then that will be a historic day”

      Glad you’ve finally come around to the one-state solution, Wonderfluff Jew!

      And, of course, they can ask for that “citizenship” all they want. Are you in favor of Israel giving it to them?

    • syvanen
      February 17, 2010, 6:12 pm

      The one-state solution seems very likely at this point. But you are correct to point out that as long as the PA continues to deny that reality, it will certainly delay the general acceptance of the new reality. Basically the PA is in a very difficult position. They will be substantially rewarded with high salaries if they are willing to accept that their role is to serve as prison minders (isn’t capos the term) for the Israeli and American minders. On the other hand to accept that the two state solution is dead basically means accepting that their life work has failed and that they would have to return as impoverished members of a civil rights movement.

      • wondering jew
        February 17, 2010, 10:05 pm

        Mooser- I’m an incrementalist- I am in favor of the Palestinians/Arabs from east Jerusalem asking for and receiving full citizenship. As far as the West Bank, when the Palestinian/Arabs ask for citizenship, I would be in favor of removing the military courts and replacing them with civil courts.

  2. Mooser
    February 17, 2010, 11:01 am

    “whether allying with dispensationalist Christian Zionists is actually in the best interests of Israel and the broader Jewish community.”

    And I’m sure that Israel will stop that just as soon as we point out the danger of it, and that their money isn’t real. Oh, you say it is real money! Hooray for ecumenicism, and see you at the Rapture, bubele!

    For American Jews, Israel is everything except what it is.

    • Citizen
      February 17, 2010, 1:10 pm

      And for the Christian Zionists, Israel is everything except what it is.

      What did P T Barnum say?

  3. Richard Witty
    February 17, 2010, 12:40 pm

    The two-state solution is water, not phantom.

    If there are committed, reliable containers, then it will hold water. If not, then conflict.

    The criticism of the two-state objective is only whining, if not accompanied by a practical and actually applied alternative (more than politics).

    • Donald
      February 17, 2010, 12:45 pm

      “The criticism of the two-state objective is only whining”

      whined Witty.

    • Citizen
      February 17, 2010, 1:16 pm

      Hydrocephalus is a reliable container for every 2-state solution offered by Israel to date. No Israeli would ever accept such offers for their own “viable” state.

    • jimby
      February 17, 2010, 2:04 pm

      @ RW :I’m not sure if anyone here has made the 2 state solution undesirable. It is just that Israel and especially the settlers and their American sponsors have probably made it impossible.

  4. syvanen
    February 17, 2010, 6:06 pm

    The criticism of the two-state objective is only whining, if not accompanied by a practical and actually applied alternative (more than politics).

    No it is not and in fact what we see today in the WB is the actual reality of a one-state solution. I did not wish this result, I supported the two-state solution for years. But it is a phantom. We have one-state. The debate is moving on. What kind of state it will be is shaping the political struggle now. (and WTF does “more than political” mean, this debate is the absolute essence of political).

  5. Keith
    February 17, 2010, 10:03 pm

    “… The many American individuals and organizations (from Irving Moskowitz to the Central Fund of Israel) that provide funding over the Green line are helping to deepen an occupation that is strangling Israel’s hope for the future.”

    The American Zionist elites are overwhelmingly supportive of Right Wing Israeli aggression and confrontation because it reinforces Zionist internal solidarity. Without the aggressive ideological and organizational solidarity centered on Zionism, it is unlikely that the American Jewish elites would be nearly as successful as they are in relation to the Gentile majority. It is for this reason that the Jewish Zionist elites are a major obstacle to peace and justice in the Middle-East.

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