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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/david-frum-considers-his-next-sock-puppet.html/comment-page-1#comment-148893</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danaa, here&#039;s a good follow up read to Hay&#039;s column; it hits Obama hard with a whole laundry list he should be speaking directly to the American people on, over-riding the System via the Bully Pulpit. 

http://www.counterpunch.org/green02082010.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danaa, here&#8217;s a good follow up read to Hay&#8217;s column; it hits Obama hard with a whole laundry list he should be speaking directly to the American people on, over-riding the System via the Bully Pulpit. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/green02082010.html">link to counterpunch.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/david-frum-considers-his-next-sock-puppet.html/comment-page-1#comment-148821</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your take here, Danaa. I will check out your referenced url--thanks! Some day the rank and file may yet connect the dots (pork, earmarks,
special interests) everybody recognizes into an actual sentence: John Q Public
will gladly pay for campaign coverage, debates, ads. It actually looks like the US Supreme Ct&#039;s recent ruling will dilute individual votes further--next thing you know fictitious persons will have the only free speech as a practical matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your take here, Danaa. I will check out your referenced url&#8211;thanks! Some day the rank and file may yet connect the dots (pork, earmarks,<br />
special interests) everybody recognizes into an actual sentence: John Q Public<br />
will gladly pay for campaign coverage, debates, ads. It actually looks like the US Supreme Ct&#8217;s recent ruling will dilute individual votes further&#8211;next thing you know fictitious persons will have the only free speech as a practical matter.</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.
Friday, October 03, 2008
&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Projecting through the Screen&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, By Rich Lowry, 10/03/08
A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It&#039;s one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O&#039;Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, &quot;Hey, I think she just winked at me.&quot; And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can&#039;t be learned; it&#039;s either something you have or you don&#039;t, and man, she&#039;s got it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.<br />
Friday, October 03, 2008<br />
<b><i>Projecting through the Screen</i></b>, By Rich Lowry, 10/03/08<br />
A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It&#8217;s one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O&#8217;Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, &#8220;Hey, I think she just winked at me.&#8221; And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can&#8217;t be learned; it&#8217;s either something you have or you don&#8217;t, and man, she&#8217;s got it.<br />
<a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=">link to corner.nationalreview.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/david-frum-considers-his-next-sock-puppet.html/comment-page-1#comment-148697</link>
		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MALE TEABAGGER: &quot;I might be an old codger, but I sho like Miss Sarah. She&#039;s one good lookin&#039; gal! Those legs. That caboose. What a rack!&quot;
TRANSLATION: I&#039;m &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  gay. Really, I&#039;m not. Honest injun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MALE TEABAGGER: &#8220;I might be an old codger, but I sho like Miss Sarah. She&#8217;s one good lookin&#8217; gal! Those legs. That caboose. What a rack!&#8221;<br />
TRANSLATION: I&#8217;m <b><i>not</i></b>  gay. Really, I&#8217;m not. Honest injun!</p>
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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizen,
I actually agree with you about both left and right seeing deteriorating economic conditions as playing into their hands. Each for their own reasons, of course. republicans in general see no upside in anything Obama can claim as success (because it&#039;d keep them out of power), and the left (as in left on the progressive side) is perhaps too vested in seeing through the final derailment of the capitalist model, so as to usher in a new era of supposedly great keynesian universe. Neither, IMO, realizes just how vast and complex the country is, and how the unintended consequences of their counter viewpoints - small vs large government, free vs regulated markets - will likely end up as a boomerang hurting everyone.

personally, I do understand the sentiment of &quot;the pox on both your houses&quot; that animate the tea baggers. But turning away is not a solution either.

Alas, I am more of a dianostician than a true activist. Due to entirely practical personal considerations rather than inclination. i realize that the disease is much easier to diagnose than to cure. of course, I&#039;d totally favor Obama acting like a real mensche when it comes to israel, just as you suggest, but especially since I know Israelis only understand the language of power- and I know he may just succeed, were he both brave and carefree enough to take this course (meaning he would likely be short lived too). In any case, it is precisely the likelihood of success of a strong arm policy from the US that sends  israel and friends in the US   to work overtime to weaken Obama - any way they can. 

Perhaps not all is lost though. If the different interests actually succeed in really paralyzing the government, even as the &quot;people&quot; (cf regular citizens) continue to suffer from the downturn that no one can or dares cure, perhaps there might just be a new window of opportunity to blow new winds into sails into public financing idea. I know this is one of the things Howard Dean and his DFA group support and is what Ron paul and Kucinich support as well. It is what most rank and file democrats support as do libertarians (the real not the pretend ones) and not a few republicans even. The day of the outsiders may yet come, now that Obama, the great white hope, has somewhat wilted in the limelight.

BTW, did you read Chris Hays&#039; column in The nation on System Failure and Corporatism? worth a read. 

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100201/hayes/single</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen,<br />
I actually agree with you about both left and right seeing deteriorating economic conditions as playing into their hands. Each for their own reasons, of course. republicans in general see no upside in anything Obama can claim as success (because it&#8217;d keep them out of power), and the left (as in left on the progressive side) is perhaps too vested in seeing through the final derailment of the capitalist model, so as to usher in a new era of supposedly great keynesian universe. Neither, IMO, realizes just how vast and complex the country is, and how the unintended consequences of their counter viewpoints &#8211; small vs large government, free vs regulated markets &#8211; will likely end up as a boomerang hurting everyone.</p>
<p>personally, I do understand the sentiment of &#8220;the pox on both your houses&#8221; that animate the tea baggers. But turning away is not a solution either.</p>
<p>Alas, I am more of a dianostician than a true activist. Due to entirely practical personal considerations rather than inclination. i realize that the disease is much easier to diagnose than to cure. of course, I&#8217;d totally favor Obama acting like a real mensche when it comes to israel, just as you suggest, but especially since I know Israelis only understand the language of power- and I know he may just succeed, were he both brave and carefree enough to take this course (meaning he would likely be short lived too). In any case, it is precisely the likelihood of success of a strong arm policy from the US that sends  israel and friends in the US   to work overtime to weaken Obama &#8211; any way they can. </p>
<p>Perhaps not all is lost though. If the different interests actually succeed in really paralyzing the government, even as the &#8220;people&#8221; (cf regular citizens) continue to suffer from the downturn that no one can or dares cure, perhaps there might just be a new window of opportunity to blow new winds into sails into public financing idea. I know this is one of the things Howard Dean and his DFA group support and is what Ron paul and Kucinich support as well. It is what most rank and file democrats support as do libertarians (the real not the pretend ones) and not a few republicans even. The day of the outsiders may yet come, now that Obama, the great white hope, has somewhat wilted in the limelight.</p>
<p>BTW, did you read Chris Hays&#8217; column in The nation on System Failure and Corporatism? worth a read. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100201/hayes/single">link to thenation.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were 600 people at that convention. 600. And the press calls it a movement? And how many were press people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were 600 people at that convention. 600. And the press calls it a movement? And how many were press people?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/david-frum-considers-his-next-sock-puppet.html/comment-page-1#comment-148618</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think David &quot;axis of evil&quot; Frum is helping by writing her speeches</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think David &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; Frum is helping by writing her speeches</p>
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		<title>By: Psychopathic god</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychopathic god</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tapline was begun immediately post-WWII by American companies eager to tap Saudi Arabian oil and pipe it to Mediterranean.  Syria was on the route, but was a major stumbling block.  There&#039;s a one-line, blase reference to the way western interests dealt with Syria&#039;s tough negotiating stance -- the US started a war in Syria.  

While trying to find that brief reference to the war the US just had to start, this quote popped up-- Israel being Israel: http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/380/388/tapline/people/dodge.html
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tapline operations were particularly lucrative when the Suez Canal was shut down after the 1967 war with Israel, because it was much less costly to ship oil to market through the pipeline via the Mediterranean than around the Cape of Good Hope. I should note that for accounting purposes, Tapline operations did not show a profit; any profit went to its parents (Mobil, Texaco, Exxon, and Chevron). Government pressures for increased fees were espexcially heavy then. However, before the reopening of the Suez Canal (about 1975), Tapline began to face growing competition from super-tankers, which with advantages of economy of scale and no transit fees or services could carry oil from the Gulf around the Cape at lower cost than the cost of pumping oil through Tapline. Eventually, this competition, and also security problems resulting from the Lebanese civil war that began in 1975, resulted in the closing of Tapline operations. However, the company did continue to pump oil to Zerqa in Jordan as mentioned below and the company was not actually abandoned to the governments under basic agreements until the 1980s.

&lt;b&gt;As a result of an Israeli action, Tapline operations were closed down for some time after Israel occupied Golan (through which Tapline passed) in the 1967 war. An Israeli tractor &quot;accidentally&quot; ruptured the line and Israel refused to allow the repair until Tapline agreed to make a special payment for Israel&#039;s benefit.&lt;/b&gt; This was handled by an American negotiator who acted for the comtany but was not a company employee. Syria and the other transit governments were pragmatic about this inclident and did not interfere with the negotiations with Israel in a way that would have delayed the repair job and a decrease in transit fees.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tapline was begun immediately post-WWII by American companies eager to tap Saudi Arabian oil and pipe it to Mediterranean.  Syria was on the route, but was a major stumbling block.  There&#8217;s a one-line, blase reference to the way western interests dealt with Syria&#8217;s tough negotiating stance &#8212; the US started a war in Syria.  </p>
<p>While trying to find that brief reference to the war the US just had to start, this quote popped up&#8211; Israel being Israel: <a href="http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/380/388/tapline/people/dodge.html">link to almashriq.hiof.no</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Tapline operations were particularly lucrative when the Suez Canal was shut down after the 1967 war with Israel, because it was much less costly to ship oil to market through the pipeline via the Mediterranean than around the Cape of Good Hope. I should note that for accounting purposes, Tapline operations did not show a profit; any profit went to its parents (Mobil, Texaco, Exxon, and Chevron). Government pressures for increased fees were espexcially heavy then. However, before the reopening of the Suez Canal (about 1975), Tapline began to face growing competition from super-tankers, which with advantages of economy of scale and no transit fees or services could carry oil from the Gulf around the Cape at lower cost than the cost of pumping oil through Tapline. Eventually, this competition, and also security problems resulting from the Lebanese civil war that began in 1975, resulted in the closing of Tapline operations. However, the company did continue to pump oil to Zerqa in Jordan as mentioned below and the company was not actually abandoned to the governments under basic agreements until the 1980s.</p>
<p><b>As a result of an Israeli action, Tapline operations were closed down for some time after Israel occupied Golan (through which Tapline passed) in the 1967 war. An Israeli tractor &#8220;accidentally&#8221; ruptured the line and Israel refused to allow the repair until Tapline agreed to make a special payment for Israel&#8217;s benefit.</b> This was handled by an American negotiator who acted for the comtany but was not a company employee. Syria and the other transit governments were pragmatic about this inclident and did not interfere with the negotiations with Israel in a way that would have delayed the repair job and a decrease in transit fees.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/david-frum-considers-his-next-sock-puppet.html/comment-page-1#comment-148604</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you hooked me until you starting talking about the republicans intentionally trying to derail any climb out of recession. I think both the left and right see poor economic conditions as playing into their hands. 
You know, ditto as in Weimar Germany? Maybe the Tea Party is saying
we really don&#039;t like either of you brown shirts or reds beating us up in the alley, and then proclaiming you are patriots? I don&#039;t disagree with your conclusion that what is happening is a slippery slope, and something to reasonably fear.
I guess, what I don&#039;t get, Danna, is any view from you of what the remedy might be? Would you favor Obama telling Israel &quot;I said freeze those settlements! They are a giant obstacle to peace in the Middle East, which all nations should favor. You have one month to stop those settlements expanding. Then, we will cut off all foreign aid to Israel. We are no longer going to tolerate Israel&#039;s chatting about dividing up a pizza while it eats it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you hooked me until you starting talking about the republicans intentionally trying to derail any climb out of recession. I think both the left and right see poor economic conditions as playing into their hands.<br />
You know, ditto as in Weimar Germany? Maybe the Tea Party is saying<br />
we really don&#8217;t like either of you brown shirts or reds beating us up in the alley, and then proclaiming you are patriots? I don&#8217;t disagree with your conclusion that what is happening is a slippery slope, and something to reasonably fear.<br />
I guess, what I don&#8217;t get, Danna, is any view from you of what the remedy might be? Would you favor Obama telling Israel &#8220;I said freeze those settlements! They are a giant obstacle to peace in the Middle East, which all nations should favor. You have one month to stop those settlements expanding. Then, we will cut off all foreign aid to Israel. We are no longer going to tolerate Israel&#8217;s chatting about dividing up a pizza while it eats it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you have been pressing the public financing idea and kudos to you for continually bringing it up as the only way our sick electoral system can be remedied. Of course, for that very reason the oligarchy will resist such idea with every fiber in their mean little greedy bodies. Remedy is the last thing they want. Wish I knew a way forward.

As for the tea-baggers, you are right about how it started. One of my points above was that no sooner a populist movement rises that the powers-that-be will attempt to co-opt and harness its energy for their own causes - which are exactly what the populists were against in the first place. What&#039;s going on now is a major campaign by the republican party apparatus to divert the populist anger to where they want it aimed, namely Obama. Hence the attempt to conflate bank bail-outs, rising deficits and hand-outs to special interests with the current administration. I see an obvious try at re-casting the populist narrative. The neocons are obviously keen to infiltrate the populist movement as well, though so far with very limited success. hence the frum frustration.

My warning has to do with what happens if republicans succeed in their goal of derailing the climb out of recession, which is obviously what their entire thrust is. They see poor economic conditions as playing into their hands - just as it brought down Bush, so they hope it can bring down Obama. My worry is that encouraging economic deterioration - which is what the republicans are up to - is a slippery slope indeed. Once it sets course, it&#039;s far from clear that they&#039;ll be able to ride the disenchantment wave back to power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you have been pressing the public financing idea and kudos to you for continually bringing it up as the only way our sick electoral system can be remedied. Of course, for that very reason the oligarchy will resist such idea with every fiber in their mean little greedy bodies. Remedy is the last thing they want. Wish I knew a way forward.</p>
<p>As for the tea-baggers, you are right about how it started. One of my points above was that no sooner a populist movement rises that the powers-that-be will attempt to co-opt and harness its energy for their own causes &#8211; which are exactly what the populists were against in the first place. What&#8217;s going on now is a major campaign by the republican party apparatus to divert the populist anger to where they want it aimed, namely Obama. Hence the attempt to conflate bank bail-outs, rising deficits and hand-outs to special interests with the current administration. I see an obvious try at re-casting the populist narrative. The neocons are obviously keen to infiltrate the populist movement as well, though so far with very limited success. hence the frum frustration.</p>
<p>My warning has to do with what happens if republicans succeed in their goal of derailing the climb out of recession, which is obviously what their entire thrust is. They see poor economic conditions as playing into their hands &#8211; just as it brought down Bush, so they hope it can bring down Obama. My worry is that encouraging economic deterioration &#8211; which is what the republicans are up to &#8211; is a slippery slope indeed. Once it sets course, it&#8217;s far from clear that they&#8217;ll be able to ride the disenchantment wave back to power.</p>
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