Comments on: CNN viewers: Time for the US to get tough with Israel http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: moonkoon http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159934 moonkoon Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:07:32 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159934 Cliff, here's what I said about Obama and Christianity. <i>... Well it makes him a Christian in my eyes.</i> I can't be clearer than that. It's at about line 16 in my first post. Perhaps it's a problem with my formatting. Apologies if that is the case. The point I was making in the first part of the post (the bit you have quoted) is that Obama, at least during his younger years, was exposed to Muslim culture (during his school time in Indonesia) and seems to have been impressed by some aspects of it. What's wrong with that? I too have been favourably impressed by the faith and practice of various Jews, Muslims, Christians that I have have encountered. The reason I made the post was to comment on the video posted by Citizen which attempts (the video not Citizen) to portray Obama as a Muslim, maybe even a crypto-Muslim. Like you, I reject that accusation about Obama. I'm not sure what you are suggesting about "saying what I want to say". I agree with you when you suggest that "far-right" Christians are peddling this line in an attempt to smear Obama. And yes, Obama is a politician and a very good one at that. And it doesn't bother me in the slightest if he occasionally says something nice about the Islamic faith. Cliff, here’s what I said about Obama and Christianity.
… Well it makes him a Christian in my eyes.
I can’t be clearer than that.
It’s at about line 16 in my first post. Perhaps it’s a problem with my formatting. Apologies if that is the case.

The point I was making in the first part of the post (the bit you have quoted) is that Obama, at least during his younger years, was exposed to Muslim culture (during his school time in Indonesia) and seems to have been impressed by some aspects of it. What’s wrong with that? I too have been favourably impressed by the faith and practice of various Jews, Muslims, Christians that I have have encountered.

The reason I made the post was to comment on the video posted by Citizen which attempts (the video not Citizen) to portray Obama as a Muslim, maybe even a crypto-Muslim. Like you, I reject that accusation about Obama.

I’m not sure what you are suggesting about “saying what I want to say”.
I agree with you when you suggest that “far-right” Christians are peddling this line in an attempt to smear Obama. And yes, Obama is a politician and a very good one at that. And it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if he occasionally says something nice about the Islamic faith.

]]> By: javs http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159835 javs Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:08:47 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159835 thats what really killed kennedy in my view thats what really killed kennedy in my view

]]> By: javs http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159834 javs Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:07:56 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159834 sanctions too are needed for israel as they have stolen more of the coastal gas from gaza. Not to mention the u.n resolutions NEVER followed by israel ever . The title of friends & Foes need to be switched, maybe then we would escape the strangle hood on this u,s, government which has been held by the balls since kennedy. Times are changing and the truths of how they used thery're own people as patsys in this religous scheme to take over the middle east and rewritew the factual history of what was and try to call the truth a conspiracy or anti semite slang to qwell the people shall be no more. sanctions too are needed for israel as they have stolen more of the coastal gas from gaza. Not to mention the u.n resolutions NEVER followed by israel ever . The title of friends & Foes need to be switched, maybe then we would escape the strangle hood on this u,s, government which has been held by the balls since kennedy. Times are changing and the truths of how they used thery’re own people as patsys in this religous scheme to take over the middle east and rewritew the factual history of what was and try to call the truth a conspiracy or anti semite slang to qwell the people shall be no more.

]]> By: javs http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159832 javs Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:02:18 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159832 problem is the media and those whom feed the blitzers their lines to spew misinformation to the point that it is a fact in the minds of every one, which takes a hold in the result which are rockets etc, they deserve a homeland just not on someones elses, "cause god gave it to them" , untill god himself comes from the sky and states he did in person, they are screwing the u.s. ( and going by the way how american was formed i.e. the american indians on banter stands) and we should recall all loans and military help as well as include them in the iaea list of places like iran has skirted ever having an inspection on what has never been lawfully gained and now hidden without access. Iran is not the threat it is the unfeather support for too many suspicious actions by an out of control religous fanatical regime, i.e. (hammas was not supported too much after they closed the liqour stores in palestine. which goes to show even though they would have been ousted in next elections, the people were not given a chance as the 47m given in weapons to fight back and hold a cu against the democratically elected hammas (whom was created in part by israel) small world huh, now consider whom tolls the line in the media everywhere and what is presented by mis used and wrong words like" disputed", fact is it is not disputed, and is being allowed to have everyword repeated to the pubic and the u.s. till it is fact. there is not god end israels statehood and send them back to europe. that will have a great effect on world peace, and africa as well should be given back, the sorted lies and deceptions run deep can the world be deprogramed from the anti that zionist elite created, are we just to accept religous radicals which is the root of how it was able to fester for so many decades. problem is the media and those whom feed the blitzers their lines to spew misinformation to the point that it is a fact in the minds of every one, which takes a hold in the result which are rockets etc, they deserve a homeland just not on someones elses, “cause god gave it to them” , untill god himself comes from the sky and states he did in person, they are screwing the u.s. ( and going by the way how american was formed i.e. the american indians on banter stands) and we should recall all loans and military help as well as include them in the iaea list of places like iran has skirted ever having an inspection on what has never been lawfully gained and now hidden without access. Iran is not the threat it is the unfeather support for too many suspicious actions by an out of control religous fanatical regime, i.e. (hammas was not supported too much after they closed the liqour stores in palestine. which goes to show even though they would have been ousted in next elections, the people were not given a chance as the 47m given in weapons to fight back and hold a cu against the democratically elected hammas (whom was created in part by israel) small world huh, now consider whom tolls the line in the media everywhere and what is presented by mis used and wrong words like” disputed”, fact is it is not disputed, and is being allowed to have everyword repeated to the pubic and the u.s. till it is fact. there is not god end israels statehood and send them back to europe. that will have a great effect on world peace, and africa as well should be given back, the sorted lies and deceptions run deep can the world be deprogramed from the anti that zionist elite created, are we just to accept religous radicals which is the root of how it was able to fester for so many decades.

]]> By: DICKERSON3870 http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159816 DICKERSON3870 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:24:03 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159816 RE: Is Blitzer an Israeli? - Les FROM WIKI: "Wolf Blitzer, who has the same first name as his maternal grandfather,[1] was born in Augsburg, Germany[2][3] and raised in Buffalo, New York, the son of Jewish refugees[4] from Poland. Blitzer graduated from Kenmore West Senior High School and received a B.A. in history from the University at Buffalo in 1970. While there, he was a brother of Alpha Epsilon Pi. In 1972, he received an M.A. in international relations from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. Blitzer began his career in journalism in the early 1970s in the Tel Aviv bureau of the Reuters news agency. In 1973 he caught the eye of Jerusalem Post editor Ari Rath, who hired Blitzer as a Washington correspondent for the English language Israeli newspaper. Blitzer would remain with the Post until 1990, covering both American politics and developments in the Middle East.[5]..." SOURCE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Blitzer RE: Is Blitzer an Israeli? – Les
FROM WIKI: “Wolf Blitzer, who has the same first name as his maternal grandfather,[1] was born in Augsburg, Germany[2][3] and raised in Buffalo, New York, the son of Jewish refugees[4] from Poland. Blitzer graduated from Kenmore West Senior High School and received a B.A. in history from the University at Buffalo in 1970. While there, he was a brother of Alpha Epsilon Pi. In 1972, he received an M.A. in international relations from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.
Blitzer began his career in journalism in the early 1970s in the Tel Aviv bureau of the Reuters news agency. In 1973 he caught the eye of Jerusalem Post editor Ari Rath, who hired Blitzer as a Washington correspondent for the English language Israeli newspaper. Blitzer would remain with the Post until 1990, covering both American politics and developments in the Middle East.[5]…”
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org

]]> By: DICKERSON3870 http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159815 DICKERSON3870 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:17:41 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159815 RE: "the IDF exerts an iron rule, and it’s only their opinion that really matters." - Richard Parker SEE: <b><i>Generals in the Cabinet Room: How the Military Shapes Israeli Policy</b></i> (Paperback) ~ Yoram Peri (Author) (Professor of Political Sociology And Communication at Tel Aviv University) 2006 In what is certain to become a landmark study, Israel's foremost analyst of civil-military relations identifies and investigates a dramatic shift of power within Israel's political system. Where once the military was usually the servant of civilian politicians, today, argues Yoram Peri, generals lead the way when it comes to foreign and defense policymaking. The implications for Israeli-Palestinian relations, for Israeli democracy, and indeed for other democracies are profound. "Generals in the Cabinet Room" offers unparalleled insights into the workings of Israel's military-political complex over the past fifteen years. Drawing on extensive literature (much of it in Hebrew and thus largely unknown outside of Israel) and hundreds of interviews with leading players, Peri explains how Israel's prolonged experience of low-intensity conflict and political crisis has enabled the military establishment to acquire unprecedented influence, shaping Israeli policy toward the Oslo process and the al-Aqsa intifada.... ....He writes presciently about the risks of allowing the military to monopolize Israel's intelligence apparatus, inviting generals into cabinet meetings to formulate policy, giving senior officers unlimited freedom to make media appearances, and encouraging a revolving door for ex-generals who retire to become politicians. Peri convincingly analyzes the shifts in Israeli policies since the late 1980's as a reflection of the military leadership's changing perceptions of the country's security needs. His approach is subtle, recognizing that the generals first supported and advanced the Oslo peace process during the early 1990's before abandoning hope for peace with the Palestinians by the end of the decade. In each phase the views of the active and retired senior officers deeply influenced Israel's policy choices.... AMAZON - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1929223811/ref=cm_rdp_product RE: “the IDF exerts an iron rule, and it’s only their opinion that really matters.” – Richard Parker
SEE: Generals in the Cabinet Room: How the Military Shapes Israeli Policy (Paperback) ~ Yoram Peri (Author) (Professor of Political Sociology And Communication at Tel Aviv University) 2006

In what is certain to become a landmark study, Israel’s foremost analyst of civil-military relations identifies and investigates a dramatic shift of power within Israel’s political system. Where once the military was usually the servant of civilian politicians, today, argues Yoram Peri, generals lead the way when it comes to foreign and defense policymaking. The implications for Israeli-Palestinian relations, for Israeli democracy, and indeed for other democracies are profound. “Generals in the Cabinet Room” offers unparalleled insights into the workings of Israel’s military-political complex over the past fifteen years. Drawing on extensive literature (much of it in Hebrew and thus largely unknown outside of Israel) and hundreds of interviews with leading players, Peri explains how Israel’s prolonged experience of low-intensity conflict and political crisis has enabled the military establishment to acquire unprecedented influence, shaping Israeli policy toward the Oslo process and the al-Aqsa intifada….
….He writes presciently about the risks of allowing the military to monopolize Israel’s intelligence apparatus, inviting generals into cabinet meetings to formulate policy, giving senior officers unlimited freedom to make media appearances, and encouraging a revolving door for ex-generals who retire to become politicians.
Peri convincingly analyzes the shifts in Israeli policies since the late 1980′s as a reflection of the military leadership’s changing perceptions of the country’s security needs. His approach is subtle, recognizing that the generals first supported and advanced the Oslo peace process during the early 1990′s before abandoning hope for peace with the Palestinians by the end of the decade. In each phase the views of the active and retired senior officers deeply influenced Israel’s policy choices….

AMAZON – link to amazon.com

]]> By: Cliff http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159757 Cliff Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:02:23 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159757 Listen, liar - you said: <blockquote>One has to ask why Christians are so worried <b>about how Islamic President Barack Hussein Obama might be. For heavens sake, he grew up in a Muslim country!</b> Anyone who experiences beautiful faith of any denomination is going to be touched be it and respect it.</blockquote> Now, you're back-tracking by making a superficial (and dishonest) clarification. Anyway, I'm not even sure why you made that post. It's kind of F-KING obvious that the kind of Christians upset w/ Obama's LOOSE ISLAMIC CONNECTION (one you over-state, just like 'those' Christians) - are by and large the far-right, evangelicals. Before political Islam, their main target was Christian liberation theology. Look back to Latin/Central America, the 'Santa Fe Report', Reagan, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Rios Montt, etc. etc. You keep begging the question about Christians - why not cut the act and just SAY what you want to say? There's no big mystery. It's not peculiar. This stuff is goddamn out in the open. They are religious nuts. Just like religious nuts in the Jewish State and just like those in Islamic States. Motivations/etc. all can be different, but the same point about crazy/irrational is there. Obama is a politician. I'd like for you to provide some evidence that he has meaningful 'Islamic roots' that have 'influenced' his actions in the present. Listen, liar – you said:

One has to ask why Christians are so worried about how Islamic President Barack Hussein Obama might be. For heavens sake, he grew up in a Muslim country! Anyone who experiences beautiful faith of any denomination is going to be touched be it and respect it.

Now, you’re back-tracking by making a superficial (and dishonest) clarification.

Anyway, I’m not even sure why you made that post. It’s kind of F-KING obvious that the kind of Christians upset w/ Obama’s LOOSE ISLAMIC CONNECTION (one you over-state, just like ‘those’ Christians) – are by and large the far-right, evangelicals.

Before political Islam, their main target was Christian liberation theology. Look back to Latin/Central America, the ‘Santa Fe Report’, Reagan, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Rios Montt, etc. etc.

You keep begging the question about Christians – why not cut the act and just SAY what you want to say? There’s no big mystery. It’s not peculiar. This stuff is goddamn out in the open.

They are religious nuts. Just like religious nuts in the Jewish State and just like those in Islamic States. Motivations/etc. all can be different, but the same point about crazy/irrational is there.

Obama is a politician. I’d like for you to provide some evidence that he has meaningful ‘Islamic roots’ that have ‘influenced’ his actions in the present.

]]> By: Taxi http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159755 Taxi Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:43:19 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159755 Richard, Hariri's son was elected by voters after his father was assassinated - I don't know that he belongs on this list - maybe another one. Hey I too have lived in shitty little England. Richard,

Hariri’s son was elected by voters after his father was assassinated – I don’t know that he belongs on this list – maybe another one.

Hey I too have lived in shitty little England.

]]> By: moonkoon http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159753 moonkoon Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:38:34 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159753 He spent some of his childhood in Indonesia, he says so in the video. I don't think that is disputed. There is a statue of him (as a boy) at his old school in Menteng. They had it move it there from the park because of some militant nationalist(?) group didn't like it in the park. http://www.naked-malaysian.com/blog/shades-of-grey/the-controversy-over-the-statue-of-barack-hussein-obama/ I didn't say he was a Muslim, I said just the opposite, that he is a Christian. Pull yourself together. Pay more attention! He spent some of his childhood in Indonesia, he says so in the video. I don’t think that is disputed. There is a statue of him (as a boy) at his old school in Menteng. They had it move it there from the park because of some militant nationalist(?) group didn’t like it in the park.
link to naked-malaysian.com

I didn’t say he was a Muslim, I said just the opposite, that he is a Christian.
Pull yourself together. Pay more attention!

]]> By: Cliff http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/cnn-viewers-time-for-the-us-to-get-tough-with-israel.html/comment-page-1#comment-159747 Cliff Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:49:33 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=16559#comment-159747 What? <blockquote>One has to ask why Christians are so worried about how <b>Islamic President Barack Hussein Obama might be. For heavens sake, he grew up in a Muslim country!</b> Anyone who experiences beautiful faith of any denomination is going to be touched be it and respect it.</blockquote> Wrong. He's not a Muslim. And what 'Islamic country' did he grow up in, for how long, and what impact did it have on him? 'Islamic President Barrack Hussein' - you forget your meds, moonkoon? What?

One has to ask why Christians are so worried about how Islamic President Barack Hussein Obama might be. For heavens sake, he grew up in a Muslim country! Anyone who experiences beautiful faith of any denomination is going to be touched be it and respect it.

Wrong. He’s not a Muslim. And what ‘Islamic country’ did he grow up in, for how long, and what impact did it have on him?

‘Islamic President Barrack Hussein’ – you forget your meds, moonkoon?

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