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		<title>By: Naomi Klein: Boycott is not about &#8216;the right to exist,&#8217; it is about abiding by international law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Klein: Boycott is not about &#8216;the right to exist,&#8217; it is about abiding by international law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] accusation.&quot; (I&#8217;m a big fan of Naomi Klein; I have not heard her make such a statement; what I have heard her say is that western Jews must speak honestly about the disturbing trends in Israeli society and make [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WEISS: ‘JVP’ takes on the ‘epic battle’ inside the Jewish community</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEISS: ‘JVP’ takes on the ‘epic battle’ inside the Jewish community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, you got me, sunshine. I&#039;m plotting with Ahmedinejad to establish a Worldwide Caliphate, push the Jews into the sea, and carry out a nuclear Holocaust times over 9000.

Do a barrel roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, you got me, sunshine. I&#8217;m plotting with Ahmedinejad to establish a Worldwide Caliphate, push the Jews into the sea, and carry out a nuclear Holocaust times over 9000.</p>
<p>Do a barrel roll.</p>
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		<title>By: yonira</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so about as intimidating as BSD and the Palestinian Solidarity hate fest?  Oh yeah,  how is the 14 day hate week treating you Cliff?  I bet this must be your favorite time of year huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so about as intimidating as BSD and the Palestinian Solidarity hate fest?  Oh yeah,  how is the 14 day hate week treating you Cliff?  I bet this must be your favorite time of year huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All activism is essentially one side against another. In that sense, you could straw man BDS as &#039;violent&#039;. Only if you use a very loose definition of the word.

You&#039;re so pathetic Witty. 

And how symbolic of Zionism. Just like the butchers in Israeli society and government who want to rewrite the rules of war to suit their appetite for carnage and colonization, you want to redefine violence so that BDS can be dismissed.

Basically, you want Israel to be treated with kid gloves. BDS is the mainstream within the Palestinian solidarity camp and will only get stronger as Israel resorts to the ONLY tactic it has - VIOLENCE - to achieve its goals.

You&#039;ll never convince non-Zionists and those without a partisan/ideological interest in the Jewish State, that BDS is &#039;violent&#039;. They will not accept your double standards, because of &#039;Jewishness&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All activism is essentially one side against another. In that sense, you could straw man BDS as &#8216;violent&#8217;. Only if you use a very loose definition of the word.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so pathetic Witty. </p>
<p>And how symbolic of Zionism. Just like the butchers in Israeli society and government who want to rewrite the rules of war to suit their appetite for carnage and colonization, you want to redefine violence so that BDS can be dismissed.</p>
<p>Basically, you want Israel to be treated with kid gloves. BDS is the mainstream within the Palestinian solidarity camp and will only get stronger as Israel resorts to the ONLY tactic it has &#8211; VIOLENCE &#8211; to achieve its goals.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll never convince non-Zionists and those without a partisan/ideological interest in the Jewish State, that BDS is &#8216;violent&#8217;. They will not accept your double standards, because of &#8216;Jewishness&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who agrees with you, and can articulate a Zionist talking point beyond the intellectual level of a 12 year old screaming N***** on Xbox-Live (you), qualifies as having &#039;owned&#039; an anti-Zionist here.

Yea, I&#039;m sure he did. Just like that other guy right? Please, keep saying the same idiotic histrionics over and over, moron. You&#039;re about as intimidating as Dr. Evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who agrees with you, and can articulate a Zionist talking point beyond the intellectual level of a 12 year old screaming N***** on Xbox-Live (you), qualifies as having &#8216;owned&#8217; an anti-Zionist here.</p>
<p>Yea, I&#8217;m sure he did. Just like that other guy right? Please, keep saying the same idiotic histrionics over and over, moron. You&#8217;re about as intimidating as Dr. Evil.</p>
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		<title>By: pabelmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>pabelmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Witty writes &quot;BDS is certainly a form of violence.&quot;

Not quite like even the pop-guns that some Gaza people were shooting ineffectively at Israel. If violence, then a different kind. A pocket-book thing perhaps.

But whether violent or not, the BDS is correctly aimed -- at the Jewish Israelis to let them know that there are costs (other than ineffective Palestinian resistance) for their anti-human rights behaviors. If Israelis are ignorant of what&#039;s really going on, they will surely lose that ignorance quickly.

BDS needn&#039;t last long. Ideally, Israel would say, &quot;Oh dear, Did we do THAT? Oh, so sorry,  We&#039;ll make it all nive now&quot; -- and propose a 6-months removal of all 500,000 settlers and the wall whilst energetically negotiating with the PLO for the right to leave some settlers in place.  A 6-month window for peace sure beats the 20 years since Oslo! And BDS people could resume their lives.

If BDS turns into a protracted matter (&quot;violence&quot; Mr. Witty calls it), then Israel will have itself to blame. The settlements were not necessary for Israel&#039;s SECURITY, only for its dreams, and the WALL was never necessary for the security of Israel behind the GREEN LINE. 

Meanwhile, Israeli craziness even against its own citizens is stepping up to a point where even the Europeans will sense a level of fascist violence which if perpetrated by non-Jews would be called anti-Semitism.  I think BDS might just catch on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Witty writes &#8220;BDS is certainly a form of violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite like even the pop-guns that some Gaza people were shooting ineffectively at Israel. If violence, then a different kind. A pocket-book thing perhaps.</p>
<p>But whether violent or not, the BDS is correctly aimed &#8212; at the Jewish Israelis to let them know that there are costs (other than ineffective Palestinian resistance) for their anti-human rights behaviors. If Israelis are ignorant of what&#8217;s really going on, they will surely lose that ignorance quickly.</p>
<p>BDS needn&#8217;t last long. Ideally, Israel would say, &#8220;Oh dear, Did we do THAT? Oh, so sorry,  We&#8217;ll make it all nive now&#8221; &#8212; and propose a 6-months removal of all 500,000 settlers and the wall whilst energetically negotiating with the PLO for the right to leave some settlers in place.  A 6-month window for peace sure beats the 20 years since Oslo! And BDS people could resume their lives.</p>
<p>If BDS turns into a protracted matter (&#8220;violence&#8221; Mr. Witty calls it), then Israel will have itself to blame. The settlements were not necessary for Israel&#8217;s SECURITY, only for its dreams, and the WALL was never necessary for the security of Israel behind the GREEN LINE. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, Israeli craziness even against its own citizens is stepping up to a point where even the Europeans will sense a level of fascist violence which if perpetrated by non-Jews would be called anti-Semitism.  I think BDS might just catch on.</p>
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		<title>By: yonira</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You, WJ, and yonira (a fucking idiot) can go to hell. You think you’re going to convince the Palestinian solidarity activists otherwise?&lt;/em&gt;

I can&#039;t speak for Witty or WJ,  but I am not too worried about the Palestinian solidarity movement.  Especially when your main objective is to hate Israel,  not justice for the Palestinians.    Your movement is laughable,  I apologize to those of you who truly care about Palestinian justice,  but the motives of most of this movement is not that.  

I am not sure what we lost Cliff,  can you fill me in?   Justice for Palestinians will only come in the form of a two state solution because this &#039;solidarity movement&#039; and BDS will not bring shit for them and armed resistance has been fairly useless to date.  

We all know the motives behind a one-state solution,  not sure who you guys think you are fooling,  I almost respect Hamas activists more,  they will at least tell you that their goal is the destruction of Israel,  something you guys will say in your &#039;inner hate circles&#039;  but are unwilling to say out-loud.

Cast Lead and the death of 1400 is far from trivial,  but you Cliff and your cronies are definitely trivial,  you are a dime a dozen on college campuses right now,  but that has been the case for the last 15 yrs,  and NOTHING has been accomplished yet.  

Oh yeah,  it was great to see Witty own you once again on this blog,  it keeps me coming back for more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You, WJ, and yonira (a fucking idiot) can go to hell. You think you’re going to convince the Palestinian solidarity activists otherwise?</em></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Witty or WJ,  but I am not too worried about the Palestinian solidarity movement.  Especially when your main objective is to hate Israel,  not justice for the Palestinians.    Your movement is laughable,  I apologize to those of you who truly care about Palestinian justice,  but the motives of most of this movement is not that.  </p>
<p>I am not sure what we lost Cliff,  can you fill me in?   Justice for Palestinians will only come in the form of a two state solution because this &#8216;solidarity movement&#8217; and BDS will not bring shit for them and armed resistance has been fairly useless to date.  </p>
<p>We all know the motives behind a one-state solution,  not sure who you guys think you are fooling,  I almost respect Hamas activists more,  they will at least tell you that their goal is the destruction of Israel,  something you guys will say in your &#8216;inner hate circles&#8217;  but are unwilling to say out-loud.</p>
<p>Cast Lead and the death of 1400 is far from trivial,  but you Cliff and your cronies are definitely trivial,  you are a dime a dozen on college campuses right now,  but that has been the case for the last 15 yrs,  and NOTHING has been accomplished yet.  </p>
<p>Oh yeah,  it was great to see Witty own you once again on this blog,  it keeps me coming back for more!</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other matter Keith,  you also give the impression that &quot;Israel&quot; is like some equalizer with which all people involved equally benefit,  but this is not the case.  As in any other form of a settler state there is an elite which feeds off of the ignorant masses with their myths and lies and the youth is so much fodder.   Israel also has the 90/10 principle - where 10% of the people and even a smaller percentage of that accrue all the wealth.  Perhaps in the beginning of the Zionist project of Israel there were some noble aspirations,  but not now,  their elite is as accustomed to deception and thievery  as any other settler state. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/democracy_flash/democracy_eng.swf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other matter Keith,  you also give the impression that &#8220;Israel&#8221; is like some equalizer with which all people involved equally benefit,  but this is not the case.  As in any other form of a settler state there is an elite which feeds off of the ignorant masses with their myths and lies and the youth is so much fodder.   Israel also has the 90/10 principle &#8211; where 10% of the people and even a smaller percentage of that accrue all the wealth.  Perhaps in the beginning of the Zionist project of Israel there were some noble aspirations,  but not now,  their elite is as accustomed to deception and thievery  as any other settler state. </p>
<p><a href="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/democracy_flash/democracy_eng.swf" rel="nofollow">THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST</a></p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate your response Keith,  and your inquiry about the link of solidarity is in being Jewish.  However,  why would I want to compare Judaism to be &quot;German?&quot;  There are Jewish people throughout the nations,  and as much as I would like to oblige there is no distinctive &quot;Jewish people,&quot;  there are now Israelis,  but that is about it.  To confound Zionism with Judaism is to do exactly what Zionists want you to do,  it gives them power and turns Jewish people into a monolithic whole - not unlike what Zionists do with Islam.   

What you call antipathy for the goyim was never an integral part of Judaism,  in its essential component.  Not that theories were not assessed from the law and written down,  but it became virulent with Zionism specifically in relation to the Palestinians and equally toward the goyim with their disagreement with the aberration of Zionism.    

Let me recommend that you study the idea of &quot;Jewishness&quot; further,  because there is an essential whole that does not necessitate some ominous linkage that aces out goyim in order to become filthy rich.  However be assured of this,  these atrocities are not being done in your name but ours,  and it is a matter of personal responsibility to see them halted,  and understand that we want others in this trap restored,  and justice done for others assaulted by this aberration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate your response Keith,  and your inquiry about the link of solidarity is in being Jewish.  However,  why would I want to compare Judaism to be &#8220;German?&#8221;  There are Jewish people throughout the nations,  and as much as I would like to oblige there is no distinctive &#8220;Jewish people,&#8221;  there are now Israelis,  but that is about it.  To confound Zionism with Judaism is to do exactly what Zionists want you to do,  it gives them power and turns Jewish people into a monolithic whole &#8211; not unlike what Zionists do with Islam.   </p>
<p>What you call antipathy for the goyim was never an integral part of Judaism,  in its essential component.  Not that theories were not assessed from the law and written down,  but it became virulent with Zionism specifically in relation to the Palestinians and equally toward the goyim with their disagreement with the aberration of Zionism.    </p>
<p>Let me recommend that you study the idea of &#8220;Jewishness&#8221; further,  because there is an essential whole that does not necessitate some ominous linkage that aces out goyim in order to become filthy rich.  However be assured of this,  these atrocities are not being done in your name but ours,  and it is a matter of personal responsibility to see them halted,  and understand that we want others in this trap restored,  and justice done for others assaulted by this aberration.</p>
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