Special relationship is melting in the sun

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Rasmussen poll, reported by Jay Bookman, Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

49 percent of Americans believe that “Israel (should) be required to stop building new settlements in occupied Palestinian territory,” while only 22 percent believe it should not. That represents a strong endorsement of the position taken by the Obama administration.

An even-more overwhelming percentage of Americans — 75 percent — believe that “Palestinian leaders (should) be required to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state” as part of a peace agreement."

But here are the most troubling numbers from Israel’s perspective:

In the poll taken March 15-16, 58 percent of Americans said they consider Israel an ally of the United States, while 32 percent consider it somewhere between an ally and enemy.

In a poll taken by Rasmussen in August, 70 percent said they considered Israel an ally, while just 16 percent considered it somewhere between an ally and enemy.

35 Responses

  1. potsherd
    March 17, 2010, 1:04 pm

    All these results are suspect, depending on how the questions are asked. Which usually depends on who is asking t hem.

  2. Chaos4700
    March 17, 2010, 1:07 pm

    Yeah. This would really be the time for American Jews to distance themselves from Israel. Like, big time.


    • potsherd
      March 17, 2010, 1:09 pm

      Not from Israel. From Netanyahu. And particularly from Yahoo’s extremist coalition. It’s like Tsarist Russia – “We love the Little Father, but he has evil advisors.”

      It’s scapegoating time.

      • Chaos4700
        March 17, 2010, 1:56 pm

        Yeah. White Americans aren’t sophisticated enough to make that distinction, by and large, potsherd. Zionists have set fire to their own house.

      • potsherd
        March 17, 2010, 2:52 pm

        Oh, I think they are. It’s not so hard to understand “I love Israel but …”

      • Chaos4700
        March 17, 2010, 3:05 pm

        Most Americans I know couldn’t find Israel on a map and say “Netanya–who?”

        Did most Americans make distinction between Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi people? Osama bin Laden and the Afghani people? (And he wasn’t even Afghani.) Do they make a distinction between Ahmedinejad and the Iranian people?

        The knife cuts both ways, Israel. And remember — you Israelis and your supporters have been going on and on about how you are “the Jewish state.” I hope American Jews really take stock of that, and where exactly this has the potential of leading to.

        I pity American Jews, in that regard, actually, that the Zionists who have taken control of the dialog are gambling on bringing about another wave of anti-Semitism if that’s what they think it’ll take to expand their fortunes.

      • pineywoodslim
        March 17, 2010, 9:21 pm

        Chaos, I wouldn’t underestimate the significance of the positive change on the part of the American public–at least as reflected in this poll.

        At the very least, a large chunk of the population recognizes that there is an injustice going on in Palestine and that Israel is responsible for that.

        I can’t quantify which events are responsible for that–most likely the combination drip-drip of Gladstone, Gaza, Petraeus’s comments, Israel’s intransigence over negotiations, the dissing of Obama over the past year, who knows?

        My guess is that it’s the recent building flap and the disrespect shown Biden.

        But this change in attitude is profound compared to, say, 10 years ago.

      • Chaos4700
        March 17, 2010, 9:51 pm

        It’s profound, yes. What matters is whether it makes a difference.

  3. James Bradley
    March 17, 2010, 1:50 pm

    Imagine what would happen to these numbers if the media wasen’t so vehemently pro-Israel.

    Imagine what would happen to these numbers if the siege on Gaza was as well documented as crude bottle rocket attacks on Sderot were.

    Imagine what would happen to these numbers if we got moving testimonials about the countless dead Palestinian children instead of a half hour session forcing us to empathy with an occupying Israeli soldier.

    Just imagine what these numbers would look like if the American media actually did its job and covered this conflict correctly.

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 17, 2010, 2:29 pm

      RE: “Imagine what would happen to these numbers if the media wasen’t so vehemently pro-Israel.” – Bradley
      SEE: The Break on Palestine | by David Bromwich, CommonDreams.org, 03/17/10
      (EXCERPTS)…The most notable Israeli spokesman for Palestinian expulsion happens not to be a security billionaire or a radio demagogue but the foreign minister of Israel, Avigdor Lieberman. When Avigdor Lieberman was welcomed last February to the world of nations by Senator Joe Lieberman, the world took note.
      There have been some voices in the past decade to remind us that the United States is endangered by the aggressive expansionist policies of Israel. Amy Goodman, Philip Weiss, M.J. Rosenberg, Glenn Greenwald, Tony Karon, Daniel Luban — but it is an ungrateful subject and not many have had the nerve or the pockets to look at it steadily. And yet, if one takes stock of more recent stories and columns, one has to add to the list Bill Moyers, Joe Klein, Chris Matthews. It seems possible that a nationwide self-censorship which has lasted more than forty years, on a subject of enormous importance — a “friendly silence” that is contrary to the spirit of democracy itself — is at last beginning to lift.
      And those, from the vice president down, who have now begun to speak frankly, have a new ally in General David Petraeus….
      ….So the door to an honest discussion of Israel and Palestine has been opened wide. Too wide for AIPAC, and all its journalistic outlets, to close with their usual dispatch. We are in possession now of the realistic knowledge that Israel’s policies endanger American troops and American interests; that by creating new terrorists, those policies also threaten the security of the United States. These truths are not less evident today than they were in 2001. But a disturbing fact, no matter how unsettling, does not make a decisive argument in itself. All one can hope is that, in thoughtful people, it will create a pause for thought. It is one thing to sacrifice yourself for a friend in the cause of justice; another to sacrifice yourself for a friend in the cause of injustice….
      ENTIRETY – link to commondreams.org

      • annie
        March 17, 2010, 5:12 pm

        dickerson, phil just front paged this link this earlier today.. here.

      • DICKERSON3870
        March 18, 2010, 11:43 am

        RE: “dickerson, phil just front paged this link this earlier today…” – annie

        MY COMMENT: Yes. Right after I posted this, I saw that Phil had extensively excerpted it in one of his earlier posts. I suppose that is proof that “great minds think alike.”(lol) Now, if I can only learn to go in chronological order (and keep from tripping on my shoelaces)!

    • radii
      March 17, 2010, 3:17 pm

      Bradley, you are correct, sir

    • Citizen
      March 17, 2010, 4:54 pm

      Yes, James–yours is the correct take-away. And imagine if they knew the name Rachel Corrie as they do the name of the non-American Anne Frank.

      Imagine if they even knew who gets our foreign aid dollars, and what % of them.

      No wonder there’s such an attack on Obama merely for standing up a half-inch off the floor.

      • James Bradley
        March 17, 2010, 11:05 pm

        You make an even greater point Citizen.

        Imagine what would happen to these numbers if the Americans knew about the terrible consequences of our unconditional relationship with Israel.

        I believe Americans can empathize with other people if the media focus’s on a certain issue, but like most other people, Americans care more about their own well being first.

        But just imagine if some of the issues below were highlighted by the MSM.

        1) Israeli spying on the United States and stealing classified documents particularly military documents and selling them to the Chinese.

        2) Billions of tax dollars in direct aid.

        3) Billions of dollars in loan guarantees.

        4) The inflamation of the region against us.

        5) Destroying our diplomatic credentials by protecting Israel in the Security council with our VETO.


  4. Colin Murray
    March 17, 2010, 2:48 pm

    Let’s not forget that while extremist Zionists are distracted by the Biden affair, they still want (us) to attack Iran.

    Iran Offers to Trade Uranium in Single Exchange

    “What we are saying now is that we are ready to deliver the total amount of fuel in one go, on condition that the exchange take place inside Iran and simultaneously. We are ready to deliver 1,200 kilos and to receive 120 kilos (264 pounds) of 20 percent enriched uranium,” Salehi said.

    “When we say that the exchange has to happen inside Iran, it means the (International Atomic Energy) Agency will take control of 1,200 kilos of our LEU and then seal it,” Salehi said, adding that IAEA officials could “monitor it 24 hours a day and ensure that nobody broke the seal.”

    “When they (the major powers) deliver the 20 percent fuel to us, they can then take the LEU out of the country,” he said (Jay Deshmukh, Agence France-Presse/Google News, March 17).

  5. radii
    March 17, 2010, 3:21 pm

    and the irony about israel’s desire to attack iran is less from the “existential threat” it poses to israel since israel could wipe it off the map with its own nukes, than resentment that their regional influence over and trade with Iran was taken away from them when the mullahs took over … they want commerce and influence again, follow the money

    • Chaos4700
      March 17, 2010, 3:25 pm

      And recall whose attack dogs were sent to topple the Iranian government in 1953 and install the Shah, much to the delight of Israeli business barons?

  6. DICKERSON3870
    March 17, 2010, 6:50 pm

    I just sent a message urging my representatives to support the Obama Administration’s call to end Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem. Please send your own message today by visiting link to aaper.org!

  7. Avi
    March 17, 2010, 7:25 pm

    “Palestinian leaders (should) be required to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state” as part of a peace agreement.”

    If someone broke into another’s home, stole his belongings and took over half of his house with the full support and endorsement of the local sheriff in town, that offender would always seek the approval of the victim, knowing full well that the victim’s neighbors disapprove of him and the corrupt sheriff. Otherwise, the offender will never be able to lead a normal life knowing that he must constantly look over his shoulder.

    • pineywoodslim
      March 17, 2010, 9:25 pm

      I would argue to some extent that the question posed is loaded.

      Pose this question instead:

      “Should the Palestinians be required to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, or Israel as a state of all its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, or Christian?’

  8. Les
    March 17, 2010, 7:27 pm

    US soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Israel Lobby is promoting US sanctions and war against Iran which just happens to sit smack dab between both countries. The Israel Lobby, in this case, is a greater threat to US security than even Israel itself, that is if you consider the safety of American soldiers to be important. The Lobby’s patriotism to Israel endangers the US every bit as much as the patriotism of Corporal Jeffrey Goldberg.

  9. romal
    March 17, 2010, 8:03 pm

    Nothing will change. Israel will gets its way and americans will more recession….notice israel never went into recession and looky looky who is running the US economy. The zionist have a 1000 pressure groups running rampent in the US with no over site from the government. They can tell a 1000 lies and the media will never call them out…they have incited hatred against all muslims the government does nothing excepts passes a hate crimes bill for them. Anyone who speaks the truth about their organisations gets slammed by the media almost immedately.

    I’ll tell you all straight out NOTHING will change in the US governments attitude towards israel in the near future.

    • pineywoodslim
      March 17, 2010, 9:28 pm

      Well, romal, the quote du jour is that the US military lobby is more powerful than the Israeli lobby. I don’t believe for one minute that the US military is interested in an attack on Iran. We shall see who is more powerful.

  10. MRW
    March 17, 2010, 10:19 pm

    Good find, Colin.

  11. Shingo
    March 18, 2010, 5:01 am

    Oh no!! What’s to become of Witty’s beautiful jewel!!!

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