Sullivan again. And notice that he runs at the top of his post the little postcard that they hand out at Palestinian solidarity events showing the four-part dispossession of Palestinians on their land since 1946. That’s how Zionism works. Imagine if Pakistan had never gotten a state under partition, just been promised one, and there was a huge Indian lobby in the states. India would be in Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad. Sullivan:
I cannot read Netanyahu’s mind. But I can observe Israel’s actions. They intend to occupy and colonize the entire West Bank for ever. They may allow some parceled enclaves for Palestinians, but they will maintain a big military presence on the Eastern border of West Bank, and they will sustain this with raw military power and force. I certainly cannot see any other rationale for their actions these past few years that makes any sense at all. Many Israeli politicians now use the term "apartheid" for this future.
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Among many others, MLK said, “justice delayed is justice denied.”
But, after all, like Obama, he was a kushi, no?
It’s very good when distinguished journalists like Mr.Sullivan point out what has been obvious for some time. One of the merits of Henry Siegman is that he (tho’ not he alone) has pointed out that the long-standing Dayan formula ‘Live without a solution’ implies increasing colonisation of the WB and increasing misery and indignity for the Palestinians.
Does Sullivan have chapter and verse for his claim about ‘many Israeli politicians’ accepting or admitting the term ‘apartheid’? That admission would make certain people look as thoroughly duped as they deserve to look.
It’s actually been pointed out in another thread (can’t remember where, sorry, so can’t link it) that this stems from Ehud Barak and his corner of Israeli politics trying to trump Netanyahu by saying that what the PM proposes will “lead to” apartheid “in the future.”
The irony, of course, could kill a canary in a coal mine.
Israel is the occupation. It is the Nakba.
There really is no separating the two.
Chaos, you are putting it way too lightly.
The World Zionist Organization defines “practical Zionism” as Jewish settlement in the Palestinian territories (focusing on the West Bank, of course).
I am amazed at how the MSM still continues to promote the myth of the settler movement as some fringe, ultra-orthodox movement with little support or indifference from the Israeli populace. I would call this the greatest service they have rendered to Israel.
Apparently Abe Foxman, speaking about what Beiden said in Israel so recently concerning Israel’s new expansion of settlements as a threat to US grunts in the Middle East, said, “I’d like to see some of the kind of passion and emotion just exhibited in criticism of Israel be employed to condemn the continuous teaching of hatred of Israel in Palestinian schools and television and in the ongoing honoring and martyrdom of Palestinian terrorists who murder Israeli civilians.” Apparently Foxman has not read
the poll of Israeli rascist HS kids Phil talks about on another recent post on this blog.
Goldstein, the American Jew-turned Israeli multiple murderer of Arab innocents praying, is their hero. And the Israeli kids grow up and graduate k-12 with no knowledge of the Nakba. Now that’s some bible schooling!
And the official honoring of Israeli “martyrs” and terrorists rightly hanged by the British.
Even in the olden days when Israeli politics was Labor versus Likud, the question was never yes or no when it came to occupation and ethnic cleansing. The parties’ debate was about the pace at which it expanded.
VERY interesting about that Palestine card. That will be the first time many many Sullivan readers will grasp what the issue is about. It is a powerful image. Any fool can see the damage done to the Palestinians in 1947. Why did they partition it that way? Why didn’t they lop off the top part of Palestine and let both sides have contiguous areas?
By I digress. That map is powerful business and many Americans are seeing it for the first time.
“But I digress.”
RE: By I digress > “But I digress.” – MRW
MY COMMENT: Whew! That’s a relief. I was really worried during the 60 second interim.
;-) ;-) ;-) Dickerson3870
[Years ago, when I first starting writing on the web, I would go out of my mind at my own typos, grammatical changes mid-sentence, and punctuation mishaps — I can spell anything, I just can’t type well — but I grew to overlook myself. Evverrreee once in a while, the old horror comes back, yeah, in 30 second interims.
Sullivan’s test will come when he goes on TV, on shows like Real Time with Bill Maher and works up the courage to challenge and confront Maher on his blatant delusional view of Israel and his propagandizing against Palestinians. Someone needs to burst Maher’s bubble that Israel is a shining city on the hill. Will it be Andrew Sullivan who’s already been a guest on that show more than once? We’ll just have to wait and see.
Sullivan’s test will come when he goes on TV,
The more interesting test is if he even gets another invitation on any program outside of access TV. I suspect there is going to be a real effort to isolate him for his transgressions.
Bill Maher is a rude racist with an obvious agenda. Yeah, fine, he’s great on other issues but that doesn’t exonerate him for hating Muslims. Or worse, pandering to Jewish capital.
His movie Religulous for instance. Christians he actually put a fair amount of criticism on, in my opinion. Muslims, however, he was blatantly hypocritical. The crowning moment for me is remembering the scene earlier in the same movie where he put a question to a Christian, “Well, should everything that’s in the Bible be applied today? Is it relevant?” And then when he was trashing a Muslim woman, who had given him basically the same sentiment as an answer, his after-the-fact response was something to the effect of, “Well, I don’t believe her when she says that.” (If you have the movie, go ahead and play the two scenes back to back by chapter select)
Most blatant ploy of the movie? He does all that to Christians and Muslims, then proceeds to go to Israel, the very apex of Jewish religious extremism. And what’s his worst criticism?
Air powered wheel chairs.
I kid you not, that movie drove me away from atheism.
Oh — I should explain my “Jewish capital” remark. Go ahead and poke around at the funding behind his movie.
Maher is fun and biting satire on everything–except Israel and Judiasm. He hits
every other hypocrisy except Israel’s actions and Judiasm as a religion–it’s getting to the point where I cannot watch him since he pretends to have no sacred cows and yet his sacred cows are so obvious. Yeah, we get it, he was brought up Catholic and saw the rebel light. The light saying Jews always need all the help they can get, and their religion is wonderful, and no facts can ever possibly dispute that. And yeah, let’s stick it to those anti-semites. He is not as objective as Carlin was, not even close. The Daily Show at least once in a while attempts to be objective when it comes to Israel and Jewish conduct.
I stopped expecting any objectivity regarding Maher when he professed his love for Israel. It became immediately clear that he would make the subject of ridicule everything but what he alone held sacred. So the Muslims and Christian extremists? Yeah, they’re a crazy bunch, and you can expect Maher to be satirical when it comes to their fundamentalism, but when it comes to his own motherland, all bets are off.
Not even considering his hypocrisy, however, his views on the conflict are is that of an ardent racist. Not only is he a staunch supporter of the Nakba, he also holds the Palestinians accountable for remaining refugees on Palestinian territory.
It will be wonderful to watch Maher taste his own medicine in a few years when the tide has turned and israel is openly called out for the monster it is and its defenders will have no defense any longer because the old tricks won’t work and the truth is the truth
Phh. By then, Maher’s life cycle as an entertainer will have imploded to a “red dwarf” stage.
“The Jews are the real Palestinians” – angry red-faced Bill Maher.
Transcript: Bill Maher Discusses Islam, Israel and the Palestians with 4 Middle Eastern Students
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/bilMl.htm
Jason Alexander terrifies Bill Maher with positive comments about Palestinians
http://sleepercellayearehcue.blogspot.com/2007/07/bill-maher-drops-ball-on-purpose.html
Ugh. Pardon my language but… that fucking racist. I’m glad I’ve sworn off of Bill Maher.
I’m also no longer sorry to say that his film career is a total and complete joke, and he’s the very bottom of the Hollywood barrel.
Bill Maher recently used his support for Obama’s Cairo speech (because he “doesn’t want 2 billion Muslim men mad at him”) to segue to a parody of Muslim women’s fashion. It isn’t online yet but it was a repeat of this from 2007:
Bill Maher – Burka fashion show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLZN2G81yk
FWIW Arab women are the backbone of French Haute Couture.
Yeah, munro, he can wrap 25% of the world’s population into one comedic swipe. And incorrectly. Even I know that Arab women are the backbone of French Haute Couture. They are the only ones who can afford it, they are incredibly cultured, and they are unbelievably stylish under some of those burqas. I used to watch them arrive in Marbella in head-to-toe black garb, whip into a bathroom, and come out looking breathtaking, the younger ones with skirts just beyond their crotches. But interestingly enough, when Spain was Muslim, burqas were nowhere to be found, and women ran businesses and practiced medicine. They were scholars and thinkers and enjoyed more freedom in society than their European counterparts.
I asked a fashionable Muslim friend about it from Lebanon, a woman who doesn’t wear scarves or any so-called Muslim garb. She said there is nothing in the Koran that debases women; in fact, it is the opposite. I said, then why the burqas somewhere and not other places. She told me it was cultural, not religious, and that it was added to the religion in some fundamentalist sects, just as wigs and scarves are worn by women in some fundamentalist Jewish sects, or clothing and no-dancing no-music rules are part of Baptist sects, or Mormon women having to wear ‘garments’.
Maher’s Muslim fashion show consisted of a half dozen to 8 women coming out sequentially in the same head to toe black coveritallup costume; while he babbled away making snarky comments about Muslim hypocrisy–it was really crass, and
after the first women came out, or at most the second, it was already too redundant to find humorous.
“…too redundant to find humorous.”
I think that’s the most concise, most accurate critique of Maher himself that can be found, actually.
“Muslim Dior Fashion Show”
(HBO “Bill Maher… But I’m Not Wrong” Feb 2010)
http://jezebel.com/5471941/bill-maher-celebrates-fashion-week-muslim-world-with-disgusting-dior-show
Andrew Sullivan is evidently angling for exile from the mainstream media. He’ll find himself kicked out of The Atlantic at the rate he’s going.
Biden, as reported on MondowWeiss and elsewhere, explicitly endorsed Israel’s view of things despite his harsh language (and nothing more) on Israel’s colonization campaign. Most important, I think, was Biden’s endorsement of Israel’s view of the ‘demographic problem’ — the ‘Palestinian Problem’.
My view is that Israel does actually want a two-state ’solution’. BUT it wants to hold onto all, or nearly all, of the Jordan River Valley and its supplies of fresh water, other fresh water sources in the West Bank, and the five or six largest colonies. Thus Israel would establish bantustan Palestine.
AND THEN Israel has a place to expel Israeli Palestinians to. That’s Israel’s dirty little plan of ‘ethnic cleansing’ — genocide. The US knows full well and 90% of Congress and the executive branch is going along. The big issue is that Obama actually knows this, and for once, his personal ethical standards may trump his go-along-to-get-along ethos.
Israel aims its nuclear warheads at Europe
The seventh Israeli radio broadcast an interview with Professor Martin Van-Crevel, a noted world specialist in low-intensity wars. Former Professor of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Van-Crevel discussed publicly what he has been advocating for years in closed military academic circles in Israel and the United States.
In his view, the continued struggle of the Palestinians will inexhorably lead to the collapse of the State of Israel. Which is why Tel-Aviv has no choice but to “transfer” the Israeli Arabs and the stateless Palestinians beyond safe borders (that is, not only outside the 1948 borders but also from the 1976 occupied territories and, ideally, from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip). In the event the Europeans opposed such a transfer, in order to survive Tel Aviv will be forced to destroy the European capitals with nuclear weapons, it being understood that the Europeans will be unable to retaliate without annihilating their Palestinian friends.
“The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent.”
The author of The Transformation of War forcefully stated that, as of now, there are already nuclear warheads aimed against Rome and other European capitals that render the threat credible and the “transfer” of the Palestinians possible.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article164432.html
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