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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You win, Mooser. But we can still mix and match, right? maybe someone should put forth a dictionary.....I&#039;m too busy working on my zionism one. Currently struggling with proper definition of meta-zionist. The mega was easy, and the ultra/uber will be smooth sailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You win, Mooser. But we can still mix and match, right? maybe someone should put forth a dictionary&#8230;..I&#8217;m too busy working on my zionism one. Currently struggling with proper definition of meta-zionist. The mega was easy, and the ultra/uber will be smooth sailing.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shmuel, that&#039;s what I mean by weak evidence.    There are rare people who can put up with abuse and keep a fairly calm tone.    In a twisted way RW does this, though in his case I don&#039;t find it admirable for various reasons.  Other people can pull it off.

The viewing of a house destroyed by Hezbollah rockets would naturally make her more sensitive to that aspect of it, and more allergic to anything that sounded too pro-Hezbollah.     As for grey areas, I talk like that, or have in the past.   I&#039;ve  finally lost almost all patience with Israel--for the most part, they deserve the same respect a defender of apartheid should have received.   My  attitude used to be that blame for the conflict should be split 70 percent Israeli, 30 percent Palestinian.   Nowadays I&#039;d go more 90/10 or maybe even higher.  Maybe Emma is where I was until fairly recently.  But when it comes to the killing of civilians, yeah, both sides do it, even if Israel does it much more and so in that sense there is a gray area.    So Emma very much sounded like me for the most part, or the uneasiness I feel about &quot;lining up&quot; with one side of a conflict to the extent that one can&#039;t condemn atrocities on both sides (without equating the scale or provocations involved).    In her case she might be an Israeli or American Jew who really does agree with most of the criticism made here of Israel, but who also wants to persuade her cohorts and so doesn&#039;t want to be linked in any way with support for people who shoot rockets indiscriminately.   Which is reasonable.

There were one or two false notes in her posts, or so it seemed to me, but that&#039;s not conclusive of anything.    The fact that she hasn&#039;t come back is the most suspicious aspect of her to me, given her patience,  but again not conclusive.

Which is all I think I&#039;ll say on this.   Bad enough some of us (including me) talk about RW all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shmuel, that&#8217;s what I mean by weak evidence.    There are rare people who can put up with abuse and keep a fairly calm tone.    In a twisted way RW does this, though in his case I don&#8217;t find it admirable for various reasons.  Other people can pull it off.</p>
<p>The viewing of a house destroyed by Hezbollah rockets would naturally make her more sensitive to that aspect of it, and more allergic to anything that sounded too pro-Hezbollah.     As for grey areas, I talk like that, or have in the past.   I&#8217;ve  finally lost almost all patience with Israel&#8211;for the most part, they deserve the same respect a defender of apartheid should have received.   My  attitude used to be that blame for the conflict should be split 70 percent Israeli, 30 percent Palestinian.   Nowadays I&#8217;d go more 90/10 or maybe even higher.  Maybe Emma is where I was until fairly recently.  But when it comes to the killing of civilians, yeah, both sides do it, even if Israel does it much more and so in that sense there is a gray area.    So Emma very much sounded like me for the most part, or the uneasiness I feel about &#8220;lining up&#8221; with one side of a conflict to the extent that one can&#8217;t condemn atrocities on both sides (without equating the scale or provocations involved).    In her case she might be an Israeli or American Jew who really does agree with most of the criticism made here of Israel, but who also wants to persuade her cohorts and so doesn&#8217;t want to be linked in any way with support for people who shoot rockets indiscriminately.   Which is reasonable.</p>
<p>There were one or two false notes in her posts, or so it seemed to me, but that&#8217;s not conclusive of anything.    The fact that she hasn&#8217;t come back is the most suspicious aspect of her to me, given her patience,  but again not conclusive.</p>
<p>Which is all I think I&#8217;ll say on this.   Bad enough some of us (including me) talk about RW all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Hasbaratchniks&lt;/b&gt; is the only way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Hasbaratchniks</b> is the only way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;And his evenings at home were like this: he helped his wives with the chores.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Just goes to show how little distance there is between the religions!  Exactly what I do!  I wash the dishes, and my wife cleans and loads the pistol she shot her first husband with. When she&#039;s done with that, she works on her knitting.  She&#039;s knitting me a shroud!  What a helpmeet, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And his evenings at home were like this: he helped his wives with the chores.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Just goes to show how little distance there is between the religions!  Exactly what I do!  I wash the dishes, and my wife cleans and loads the pistol she shot her first husband with. When she&#8217;s done with that, she works on her knitting.  She&#8217;s knitting me a shroud!  What a helpmeet, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;envisaged by the prophets of Israel.” &lt;/i&gt;

Now there&#039;s an objective standard which could never, ever be self serving!  Good for them! What high standards they set for themselves.
Government by imaginery visionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;envisaged by the prophets of Israel.” </i></p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s an objective standard which could never, ever be self serving!  Good for them! What high standards they set for themselves.<br />
Government by imaginery visionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! What a discussion!  Covered it like I do a bagle with cream cheese, pretty damned adequately!  But if I may, there&#039;s one point you might have not considered.  Emma was simply shocked, shocked I tell you that there were actually people who would disagree with what she thought of as common knowledge and conventional wisdom.  
I see that all the time in my discussions on Israel- any deviation from the script of Exodus (with small allowances for Zionist intransigence because Jews have suffered so much) is met with disbelief and a kind of condescending sneer, just as Emma was shocked that nice people like we seem to be can have any truck with Hezbollah.
If she was a &quot;plant&quot;, she&#039;s about as common a plant as there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! What a discussion!  Covered it like I do a bagle with cream cheese, pretty damned adequately!  But if I may, there&#8217;s one point you might have not considered.  Emma was simply shocked, shocked I tell you that there were actually people who would disagree with what she thought of as common knowledge and conventional wisdom.<br />
I see that all the time in my discussions on Israel- any deviation from the script of Exodus (with small allowances for Zionist intransigence because Jews have suffered so much) is met with disbelief and a kind of condescending sneer, just as Emma was shocked that nice people like we seem to be can have any truck with Hezbollah.<br />
If she was a &#8220;plant&#8221;, she&#8217;s about as common a plant as there is.</p>
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		<title>By: aparisian</title>
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		<dc:creator>aparisian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its strange but they use all the same methods, they comment in middle east article, and Islam related issues. Here are some of the repeated and hasbara they propagate:

About the settlements they keep repeating:
- Why Israel should justify its urban policy, why Arabs or US should interfere its decisions to build or not residential areas, its like if Italy or belguim tell France whether they should build or not residential areas, this is motivated by the anti-semi

i will give you an example:  A commentator called &quot;Un mot de vérité &quot; in English that means &quot;Word of truth&quot;, he appears only when &#039;Lemonde&#039; publish an article about Israel. There are some of his comments that you can translate in google translation:

&quot;  Faut-il plaindre les souffrances d’un agresseur qui a subi une défaite dans son agression inhumaine d&#039;une population civile ? La société arabo-palestinienne s&#039;est lancée en 2000-2007 dans une guerre d&#039;attentats-suicides en réponse à la générosité volontaire israélienne des accords d’Oslo (1993), de celui de Wye Plantation en 1995 entre Nétanyahou et Arafat, du traité de paix proposé par le premier-ministre israélien en 2000 avec un partage de Jérusalem. Le jihad et la paix sont-ils compatibles ?&quot;

or 


&quot;  C&#039;est un parti pris en faveur de la Ligue arabe d’Obama. Une cynique propagande que de parler de &quot;colonialisme&quot; là où la frontière de 1967 n&#039;est qu&#039;une ligne d&#039;armistice suite à l&#039;agression arabe en 1948. L&#039;antique quartier juif de la veille ville de Jérusalem(-Est) a été vidé de sa population : sa restauration après 1967 est donc aussi une &quot;colonisation&quot; ? Cet absurde même Mahmoud Abbas ne dira pas. Pourquoi alors le quartier Ramat Shlomo ? Parce qu’il faut étouffer le Jérusalem israélien ?   &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its strange but they use all the same methods, they comment in middle east article, and Islam related issues. Here are some of the repeated and hasbara they propagate:</p>
<p>About the settlements they keep repeating:<br />
- Why Israel should justify its urban policy, why Arabs or US should interfere its decisions to build or not residential areas, its like if Italy or belguim tell France whether they should build or not residential areas, this is motivated by the anti-semi</p>
<p>i will give you an example:  A commentator called &#8220;Un mot de vérité &#8221; in English that means &#8220;Word of truth&#8221;, he appears only when &#8216;Lemonde&#8217; publish an article about Israel. There are some of his comments that you can translate in google translation:</p>
<p>&#8221;  Faut-il plaindre les souffrances d’un agresseur qui a subi une défaite dans son agression inhumaine d&#8217;une population civile ? La société arabo-palestinienne s&#8217;est lancée en 2000-2007 dans une guerre d&#8217;attentats-suicides en réponse à la générosité volontaire israélienne des accords d’Oslo (1993), de celui de Wye Plantation en 1995 entre Nétanyahou et Arafat, du traité de paix proposé par le premier-ministre israélien en 2000 avec un partage de Jérusalem. Le jihad et la paix sont-ils compatibles ?&#8221;</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>&#8221;  C&#8217;est un parti pris en faveur de la Ligue arabe d’Obama. Une cynique propagande que de parler de &#8220;colonialisme&#8221; là où la frontière de 1967 n&#8217;est qu&#8217;une ligne d&#8217;armistice suite à l&#8217;agression arabe en 1948. L&#8217;antique quartier juif de la veille ville de Jérusalem(-Est) a été vidé de sa population : sa restauration après 1967 est donc aussi une &#8220;colonisation&#8221; ? Cet absurde même Mahmoud Abbas ne dira pas. Pourquoi alors le quartier Ramat Shlomo ? Parce qu’il faut étouffer le Jérusalem israélien ?   &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, aparisian. It&#039;s a well funded, well oiled machine. Ever notice how every time you link to a Zionist-aligned site on the internet, it&#039;s just pasted with ads goading Jews to donate money to various things to &quot;save&quot; Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, aparisian. It&#8217;s a well funded, well oiled machine. Ever notice how every time you link to a Zionist-aligned site on the internet, it&#8217;s just pasted with ads goading Jews to donate money to various things to &#8220;save&#8221; Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: aparisian</title>
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		<dc:creator>aparisian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of information never go through, even in the European controlled MSM. BTW guys a lot of Emma and Witties attack the tallbacks in the majority of the French press comments sections, it seems that its a global attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of information never go through, even in the European controlled MSM. BTW guys a lot of Emma and Witties attack the tallbacks in the majority of the French press comments sections, it seems that its a global attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Shmuel, it is, and will remain much harder to do BDS effectively on Israel; Israel is not anywhere near as insular as apartheid S Africa was, and, except for a tiny fringe of neoNazis, had no diaspora to speak off. Israel depends on its narrative, which separates creed from deed, but BDS brings world attention to Israel&#039;s deeds, even if 
it has been largely ineffective in curtailing Israel&#039;s economy amd foreign financing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Shmuel, it is, and will remain much harder to do BDS effectively on Israel; Israel is not anywhere near as insular as apartheid S Africa was, and, except for a tiny fringe of neoNazis, had no diaspora to speak off. Israel depends on its narrative, which separates creed from deed, but BDS brings world attention to Israel&#8217;s deeds, even if<br />
it has been largely ineffective in curtailing Israel&#8217;s economy amd foreign financing.</p>
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