Propagandistic anti-Semitism report raises The Linkage Issue

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The Tel Aviv University/Stephen Roth Institute’s newly released study on anti-Semitism in 2009 is getting loads of media attention. Among the many outlets that have reported its findings are the AP, CNN, and Haaretz.

"Anti-Semitic incidents Doubled Last Year," blared the AP headline.

Sponsored by the European Jewish Congress and produced with help from researchers around the world, including the Anti-Defamation League’s Aryeh Tuchman, the report’s release was timed to coincide with Holocaust Remembrance Day. The Roth Institute’s director, Dinah Porat, who also sits on the board at the Israeli Holocaust research center, Yad Vashem, declared at a recent press conference that anti-Semitism is directly linked to anti-Zionism. This is also the conclusion of her group’s report, which focuses on the alleged connection between anti-Semitic acts and Israel’s assault on Gaza in late 2008 and early 2009.

The Roth Institute identifies the UK and France as centers of anti-Semitism, but also centers in on American targets, including the widely praised Palestinian author Ali Abunimah and the Muslim students at UC-Irvine who heckled Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren.

Judge Richard Goldstone, a Jewish self-proclaimed Zionist, is also named among the Institute’s gallery of dangerous anti-Semites. "In November, extensive criticism of Israel in the media following the release of the Goldstone Report probably served as a trigger for another spike in hate crimes against Jews," the report states. Since there is no evidence to back their claim up, the authors slipped in the word, "probably."

Mainstream Muslim groups in the US like the Islamic Circle of North America could not escape being tagged as Jew haters either, though the report once again provides no concrete evidence to support its characterization. Thus readers must accept on faith — or the basis of their preconceptions about Muslims — that members of the ICNA like to "rail against Jews."

The report accuses unidentified "contemporary youth" of exhibiting "rampant ignorance" by engaging in Palestinian solidarity activism. "An abundance of Muslim propaganda, well-financed by oil money, exploits this atmosphere, which law enforcement agencies refrain from countering out of ‘political correctness’ and respect for the right of freedom of speech," the report’s authors write, suggesting that the First Amendment might pose a threat to Jewish life in America.

The only actively organized anti-Semitic faction that the report’s researchers identify inside the US is the fringe-of-the-lunatic fringe Phelps family, which has picketed everything from soldiers’ funerals to the Sidwell Friends School, holding signs that take bigotry to the point of the sublime. The family’s satire of "We Are The World," called "God Hates The World," was so unintentionally funny it became a YouTube hit. Indeed, few outside the Phelps family take its bizarre street theater seriously. Despite the Roth Institute’s dire warnings, that is unlikely to change.

Organized anti-Semitism seemed to have been so absent from American life in 2009 that the Roth Institute felt compelled to lard its report with accounts of murders of non-Jews by right-wing extremists. For instance, the report goes on at length about Richard Poplawski, a deranged young skinhead who killed three cops in Pittsburgh reportedly because he hated Obama and thought he sent the police to take his guns away. Unless Obama had secretly converted to Judaism (wasn’t he supposed to be a crypto-Muslim?), the designation of Poplawski’s killing spree as an anti-Semitic attack is a wild stretch.

Turning its focus to Latin America, the Roth Institute predictably rehashes the widely repeated canard that Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela is a hotbed of anti-Semitism. And like the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Institute appears to have studiously avoided any contact with the Confederation of Jewish Associations of Venezuela, the country’s main Jewish umbrella organization. That may because the Confederation has already repudiated the notion of a Chavez-incited campaign of anti-Semitism and has condemned the Simon Wiesenthal Center for not consulting it about the reality of Jewish life in Venezuela.

Under pressure from Jewish groups in Venezuela, Jewish members of Congress torpedoed a 2009 House resolution to condemn Chavez for anti-Semitic incitement. The members of Congress who opposed the resolution included some of Israel’s most hardline allies in the House, from Rep. Gary Ackerman to Rep. Shelley Berkley. Apparently this news was not fit to print in the Roth Institute’s report.

The Institute’s characterization of Chavez’s government recalls a failed Cold War-era tactic, according to the North American Congress on Latin American. In 1983, as the Reagan administration sought to topple the Nicaraguan Sandinistas, the ADL churned out a poorly-sourced report accusing the Sandinistas of inciting hatred against the country’s small Jewish community. The report was immediately discredited by American rabbis who had actually traveled to Nicaragua and by Reagan’s own ambassador to the country; he declared, “the evidence fails to demonstrate that the Sandinistas have followed a policy of anti-Semitism or have persecuted Jews solely because of their religion.” As for the accusations leveled against Chavez, the authors of the Roth Institute report seemed most incensed by his furious opposition to Israel’s assault on Gaza.

While the threat of anti-Semitic attacks should not be dismissed, however random and rare they might be in Western society, the Roth Institute and its collaborators appear more interested in insulating Israel from scrutiny for its killing of 773 civilians in Gaza in 22 days than in generating education and dialogue to combat bigotry. Indeed, the main thrust of the report is consistent with one of the key objectives of the Netanyahu administration and its international supporters: to undermine the Goldstone Report and assail any public figures who support its findings. At the same time, the report appears crafted to prevent articulate Palestinian critics of Israeli policy like Ali Abunimah from gaining mainstream traction, speciously and scandalously conflating them with neo-Nazi street thugs and Holocaust deniers.

Three years before Israel’s creation, Jean Paul-Sartre analyzed what he saw as a widespread resentment of Jews, describing it as a pathology rooted in class envy and self-loathing. In his book, "Anti-Semite and Jew," Sartre impelled Jews to assert themselves through militant means, stopping only once they had won their place in a pluralistic society like France. Among the means he proposed that Jews employ was the founding of "a Jewish league against anti-Semitism."

Ironically, the Roth Institute’s Porat has rejected "the definitions of learned people" like Sartre. For her, anti-Semitism can be defined by simply describing the behavior of Israel’s critics, not by assessing the mentality of those who openly urge discrimination against Jews.

Following Porat’s line, the Roth Institute report asserted that Israel’s assault on Gaza was practically the only factor driving the supposedly dramatic spike in anti-Semitic incidents that occurred in 2009. "We have never seen such a sustained, organized campaign being waged against Israel’s legitimacy and its supporters around the world," lamented Arie Zuckerman, whose European Jewish Congress contributed to the report.

But if Israel’s policies towards Gaza have fanned the flames of anti-Semitism, as the report seems to claim, the discussion must turn to whether Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians is threatening the safety of Jews across the world. Is there a linkage? The Roth Institute and its collaborators should consider contemplating the troubling issue they have inadvertently raised. Then again, it might be more convenient for them to dismiss it as another anti-Semitic canard contrived by "contemporary youth."

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  1. Richard Witty
    April 13, 2010, 11:46 am

    Your criticism of their details is relevant.

    Your criticism of their thesis is abhorent.

    You don’t wear a kipa or black hat in public. Those that do experience some things that you are oblivious to.

    • Chaos4700
      April 13, 2010, 11:51 am

      You think that’s bad, try wearing a headscarf. Or even better — try wearing a Sikh turban without getting shot.

      • DICKERSON3870
        April 13, 2010, 2:46 pm

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      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 6:06 pm

        A little comic relief before the real headbanging begins :-)

        link to flickr.com

    • James North
      April 13, 2010, 12:03 pm

      Max: Another excellent report. I remember the 1980s anti-Sandinista libel well. It was particularly dishonest because one leading Sandinista, Herty Lewites, was himself Jewish. Herty remained loyal to the true Sandinista ideals and widely popular until his untimely death a few years ago.
      There was anti-Semitism in Latin America back then, in Argentina, but it was excused by the American neo-conservatives who loved the right-wing Argentine generals. They went as far as to slander the courageous Argentine editor Jacobo Timerman, a Jew and an outspoken Zionist who was imprisoned and tortured, trying to link him financially to “terrorism.”
      I have first-hand experience of Argentine anti-Semitism back then, which I may post about at some stage. But when I got back to the United States I read nothing about it in Commentary.

      • James North
        April 13, 2010, 12:19 pm

        Here’s some more information on the great Herty Lewites. link to en.wikipedia.org

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 12:59 pm

        I agree with James North, Max. Excellent report.

      • VR
        April 13, 2010, 7:41 pm

        “I have first-hand experience of Argentine anti-Semitism back then, which I may post about at some stage. But when I got back to the United States I read nothing about it in Commentary.”

        I call that “selective” antisemitism. Similar to, it is OK for Hagee to voice it in his twisted way, but the antisemitism that “really” counts is not the real type – it is anyone who criticizes Israeli policies.

    • Citizen
      April 13, 2010, 1:23 pm

      Ever seen Obama or Shrub wear a kipa? Of course you have. Ever seen either wear a keffiyeh? Of course you have not. Case closed. Talk about being oblivious.

      Phil was merely repeating that the spike in “anti-semitism” came on the graph substantially in the wake of the Gaza Turkey Shoot. Are you denying that spike’s timing? What thesis are you talking about? Do you subscribe to the thesis that those who hate all Americans simply for being Americans are conflating what they don’t like about US regime policy with the simple fact of somebody being born in the USA or because they’ve been naturalized formally?

    • zamaaz
      April 13, 2010, 1:25 pm

      This is simply to show why many Christians are anticipating the irreversible rise of anti-semitism worldwide which could be particular among advanced western (European?) nations:

      [And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
      And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
      For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
      And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17;15-18) ]
      These prophetic verses showed that no matter the western nations hated this Queen of Transgressions western nations will ultimately succumb to her will; and one of these is to resist the return of the Jews to their homeland.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 3:27 pm

        Put away the Biblr Zamaaz. Not only is it fiction, but based on your explanations of it thus far, you either hvdn’t read it or don’t understand what youvhave read.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 6:52 am

        Geez, I see the four horseman coming but I don’t hear the hoofs–must be that burning bush yakking so much in my ear.

    • robin
      April 13, 2010, 2:39 pm

      The conflation of anti-Zionism (anti-injustice) with anti-Semitism is wrong and disgraceful. To the extent their thesis rests on that conflation, which Max has demonstrated it does, it is totally invalid. More than that, it is alarmist, slanderous, and manipulative.

      So what are you talking about?

      They would have performed a real service had they investigated REAL anti-semitism.

      • radii
        April 13, 2010, 4:38 pm

        so true … incidents of violence and hatred against jews – which removes the propaganda element of “anti-semitism” and “anti-zionist” (which is political) globally and in the United States have been at historic lows for decades … so few incidents occur that it is hard to document them and provide statistics …
        but organizations such as Foxman’s ADL and any organization associated with zionism has dual propaganda and political goals in trumpeting the official victimhood of all jews collectively and specifically to tie being jewish to being a zionist and to support of the policies of the leadership of israel

        … the world sees through this nonsense and if you subtract the periodic spikes in real violence and real anti-jewish incidents from the overall total that are committed by muslims (usually poor muslims in a Western country) the numbers fall off dramatically

        anti-semitism is a fraud … some people are anti-jewish and that is real, but the causes are several and usually local in nature

        the pathetic and ongoing campaign by israel and zionists to tie being jewish with being a zionist and using it to manipulate non-jews would be a joke if it didn’t have such dangerous implications

    • braciole
      April 13, 2010, 3:35 pm

      Mr Witty, I take it from your posture on most issues that you are a Zionist. What do Zionists want? All Jews to move to Israel and what better way than to fan the flames of fear of anti-Semitism. So it is hardly surprising the arch-Zionist groups such as the ADL, the European Jewish Congress, etc. are telling lies about anti-Semitism to encourage migration. What a sick political movement, to be prepared to support the mass slaughter of your co-religionists/people of the same ethnic origin so that some will move to Israel. What a sick political movement to encourage hatred of your co-religionists/ people of the same ethnic origin by others so that some will move to Israel. What a sick political movement to plant bombs that kill or injure your co-religionists/people of the same ethnic origin so that some will move to Israel as was done in the past in Iraq and probably more recently in Argentina. At its heart, Israel really is a sick country.

      • Richard Witty
        April 13, 2010, 5:42 pm

        Are they telling lies?

        Or their plausible interpretation.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:44 pm

        Okay, so you think, plausibly, that Richard Goldstone is a dangerous anti-Semite, Witty?

      • VR
        April 13, 2010, 7:49 pm

        They are plausible to the mentally inept.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2010, 9:59 pm

        braciole, Zionists are afraid of nothing more than too many Jews moving to Israel. Israel is, has always been and will always be a remittance colony, dependent on outside help with money and political manipulation to survive.
        The political work which ensures Israel’s survival takes place in the US. We can’t afford to have too many of those affluent and influential Zionists lose their place in the US.

        And try and keep your shirt on, braciole. Really, the Zionists haven’t done anything which wasn’t, in one way or another, common practice during the era of Southern European “self determination”, And elsewhere. Having no uniform and egalitarian citizenship, dispossessing and deporting non-favored groups, even terrible ethnic massacres, and lies, lies lies, none of this is original with the Zionists, of course.

        Look, can you blame them? They just picked up a bunch of discredited and unsuccessful ideas that were lying around for a cheap lot price; abandoned elsewhere, the Zionists picked ‘em up for a song.

    • Shingo
      April 13, 2010, 4:28 pm

      “Your criticism of their details is relevant.”

      As usual, facts are insulting to Witty.

      “Your criticism of their thesis is abhorent. ”

      Witty hates arguments based on facts.

    • braciole
      April 14, 2010, 6:00 am

      Mr Witty – during Israel’s recent murderous assault on Gaza, I saw half-a-dozen Jewish teenagers in kipas walking down a street in a predominantly working-class town in central England. No one was paying them any attention yet according to the Roth Institute they should have been in fear of their lives, but they didn’t seem to be.

      • Richard Witty
        April 14, 2010, 6:06 am

        I’m glad those teenagers were confident of their safety (noted that they were in a group).

        They should feel that way everywhere.

        I’ve seen violent racist threat, haven’t you?

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 7:06 am

        Witty, have you seen white phosporous in action on children and babies? Somehow, I doubt you’ve ever been subject to pummeling
        and ethnic name-calling in any school yard, or on your way home or to school. You should feel very lucky, not threatened.

    • UNIX
      April 15, 2010, 9:17 am

      Richard is right on.

      Your criticism of their thesis is abhorent.

  2. marc b.
    April 13, 2010, 12:01 pm

    Your criticism of their thesis is abhorent.

    What do you say their ‘thesis’ is? I mean the question sincerely.

    • Chaos4700
      April 13, 2010, 12:22 pm

      Why do Zionists want Jews to live in perpetual fear of non-Jews? (Of course I already know the answer, but still, it’s an important question to ask)

    • MRW
      April 13, 2010, 12:25 pm

      The I/P situation is causing the growing ennui with Israel in Europe.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 12:28 pm

        MRW,

        “The I/P situation is causing the growing ennui with Israel in Europe.”

        Sure, is that an excuse to take it out on European Jews? If not, why are you even raising this point?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:30 pm

        “Take it out” on European Jews… how, exactly? For God sakes, these same people are calling Richard Goldstone an “anti-Semite.” The predominant party attacking Jews in the 21st century are Zionist Jews.

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 12:47 pm

        I’m not taking anything out on anybody. But there are consequences to actions, not just entitlements.

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 12:58 pm

        “…. take it out on European Jews?”

        So there ARE euro jews! Something you’ve constantly denied my excitable friend!

        I bet most of euro jews aren’t self-hating Khazars like you eeee!

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 1:01 pm

        eee, “Sure, is that an excuse to take it out on European Jews? If not, why are you even raising this point?”

        Because Max does in his tag paragraph. Did you even read it before reporting for duty here?

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 1:29 pm

        Now, now, eee–who’s looking the other way? And why? They’re just born with that neck tilt, or no?

    • Psychopathic god
      April 13, 2010, 12:30 pm

      so — if the pond’s boundaries are 1948 and 2010, the US should have started on approx. Apr. 22, 1949, to clean the pond of disproportionate and harmful influence over US foreign policy by zionists.

      • Richard Witty
        April 13, 2010, 12:48 pm

        The example of a thesis (Walt/Mearsheimer’s) extending to the border of fascism.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:49 pm

        But you haven’t actually read the book. Of course. Not like you need to, in order to burn it, huh.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 1:26 pm

        you got a macro on your computer for that fascism thang, Witty? it pops up so quickly, and so purposelessly.

      • Richard Witty
        April 13, 2010, 1:33 pm

        Its a danger whenever observations of anti-semitism are dismissed and then rationalized, or in your case of the fascistic invocation of “dual loyalty”.

        It is the illustration of what was feared to emerge from Walt/Mearsheimer’s article and book (both of which I’ve read oh malevolent misrepresenter, Chaos).

      • annie
        April 13, 2010, 4:32 pm

        Its a danger whenever observations of anti-semitism are dismissed

        therefore it is incumbent upon is to distinguish between the observation and the canard! the well trodden path of unfounded accusations of anti semitism from the rightwing noise machine to those who criticize the state of israel well documented witty. from naomi chazen to goldstone to people who support bds.

      • jimby
        April 13, 2010, 6:41 pm

        Oh dear, Richard is channeling Howard Cosell.

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 1:35 pm

        Anybody make any sense out of Witty comment here? What’s left of the border against western-style fascism is patrolled by HAMAS and occupied by what’s left of the natives on their native land. If he’s talking about Islamofacism–it doesn’t exist, except as a poorly cobbled together word that reeks of historical ignorance.

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 1:39 pm

        You have nothing to fear but fear itself. I suppose Witty imagines
        Goldstone’s Report is yet another illustration of what was feared to emerge? Never wash dirty laundry in front of the Other–even if
        the Other pays for your clothing and cleaning.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 2:54 pm

        macro turned into macaroni. sheesh, no way I can follow the tangled verbiage in that pot of vurms.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 3:33 pm

        “Its a danger whenever observations of anti-semitism are dismissed and then rationalized, or in your case of the fascistic invocation of “dual loyalty”.”

        Anti Semiyism is dismissed because it’s deliberately conflates with anti Zionism, which can certainly be rationalized.

    • DICKERSON3870
      April 13, 2010, 12:59 pm

      RE: “The OBSERVATION that incidents and attitudes of anti-semitism are increasing in Europe fairly rapidly.” – Witty

      PLEASE SEE: Zionist Fanatics Practice Serial Vandalism in Paris , By Diana Johnstone, 07/06/09
      (EXCERPTS) Thousands of books drenched in cooking oil – that is the latest exploit of the Zionist fanatics who regularly attack property and people in Paris and get away with it.
      In the early afternoon of Friday, July 3, five men, mostly masked, stormed into the “Resistances” bookstore located in a quiet residential neighborhood of the 17th arrondissement in northwest Paris. To the startled women working in the shop, as well as two customers, they announcing that they were from the Jewish Defense League and began ripping books off shelves and tables, dousing them heavily with cooking oil, and then smashing four computers before leaving rapidly in a waiting vehicle…
      …Two and a half years ago, on December 7, 2006, a similar attack squad threw teargas grenades into the bookstore as a crowd was gathering to listen to the late Israeli author Tanya Reinhart and her companion, the Israeli poet Aharon Shabtai. On that occasion, Shashahani had to be treated for effects from the teargas but material damage was slight. This time, the entire shop is a shambles, with countless ruined books, and damage runs to tens of thousands of euros, according to Shashahani.
      But, he stresses, this is only one in “hundreds of violent actions” carried out by the French version of the banned US Jewish Defense League in recent years. There is no reason to expect them to stop so long as they can count on indulgence on the part of French authorities and the silence of the mainstream media…..
      ….In the rare cases when Zionist fanatics are actually arrested and put on trial, they are usually treated with uncommon indulgence. In December 2003, a group of pro-Palestinian students were violently attacked by the usual suspects. A Palestinian student suffered grave eye injuries. Faced with lackadaisical police, the students carried out their own investigation, leading to the conviction on September 16, 2004 of one Anthony Attal. He was given a suspended sentence of ten months….
      ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to counterpunch.org

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 1:58 pm

        How long will this uncommon indulgence go on? Oh, yeah, that’s the issue raised by Max’s post here today.

    • Citizen
      April 13, 2010, 1:27 pm

      Sort of like one day you roam your land, a month later, there’s less of it to roam; eventually you have only 22% of it to roam? And that’s disappearing too–even if you can still see it. Pond scum indeed.

    • Richard Witty
      April 13, 2010, 5:44 pm

      “Your criticism of their thesis is abhorent.

      What do you say their ‘thesis’ is? I mean the question sincerely. ”

      That observed incidents of anti-semitism in Europe are increasing rapidly.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:47 pm

        Is this another case where what someone reports falsely is more important than what is actually happening? Kind of like your stance on Ahmedinejad’s words?

      • Richard Witty
        April 14, 2010, 6:09 am

        Ahmenijad said the words that he said, which was published in English by the Iranian International Press Service to mean “Israel will be wiped from map.”

        That is my interpretation of events, factual events.

        Did “he” mean that Iran will drive Israel into the sea, as was the slogan in the 1948 Arab League armed assault on newly independant Israel?

        Hard to know.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 7:31 am

        Ahmenijad never said “Israel will be wiped from map.”
        What he said expressed his hope that the regime in Jerusalem will collapse of its own weight or vanish from the pages of time. You know, as the USSR did?
        This is not hard to know at all.
        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Your interpretation of Ahmenijad’s words displays your usual
        unwilllingness to face the facts and your usual blatent attempt
        to obfuscate the facts. Ziocaine is strong stuff, eh?

  3. eee
    April 13, 2010, 12:11 pm

    Blumenthal,

    Jews are not stupid. Let them make up their own minds. Why do you think the French Jews are either coming to Israel or purchasing dwellings here? The writing is on the wall. Malmo is the template for how most of Europe will treat its Jews in the coming decades. European Jews ignore this at their own peril.

    • Chaos4700
      April 13, 2010, 12:12 pm

      …No, actually. I don’t think that needs any lampshades, does it?

    • annie
      April 13, 2010, 12:28 pm

      “To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail.”
      for eee

      So I hate to say it, but the natural state is that of the Holocaust, not the days before and after it. What happened 65 years ago is that God, for a certain period, stopped holding back the sea to the right and the left of us. What did we think—that a lamb among 70 wolves would never be devoured?

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 12:33 pm

        What did we think—that a lamb among 70 wolves would never be devoured?

        your first mistakes were arrogating lambhood to yourselves and failing to recognize your own wolfish proclivities.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 12:38 pm

        Annie,

        What does quoting one likudnik prove?
        What I am saying is simple. The European Jews know the facts. They live in Europe. They will do what is right for them. I know what the French Jews are doing, and it means that things in France are not great.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 1:28 pm

        another all-purpose hasbaratchik: “it’s only one, maybe two…”

        how many does it take to be evil, or to indicate the direction of a trend or pattern?

      • VR
        April 13, 2010, 8:07 pm

        Sharon pissed off the French Jews many years ago, when he invited them to come to Israel and be “real Jews.”

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:05 pm

        Not so long as G-D allowes the Egyptian conscript soldiers to drown. I always wonder if any of them had relatives in the supply towns the ancient Hebrews said they raided, maimed, and murdered before hatting out of Egypt. Not to mention the massacre of the town natives in the land the Hebrews had to go through to reach the land of milk and honey, to reach Jericho. Oddly, I read that the Pharoh had originally given them a free pass to leave Egypt–but not after they raided Egyptian towns and massacred their inhabitants.

  4. MRW
    April 13, 2010, 12:21 pm

    Seeing anti-semitism under every available rock, when it clearly is not the case, is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    As jeffrey Blankfort said in his great interview with George Kenny last week, Israelis are getting dumber and dumber. (Literally are. Their educational standards have tanked precipitously compared to the rest of the industrial world.)

    • eee
      April 13, 2010, 12:24 pm

      MRW,

      You are just proving again that all you want is to incite against Israel.
      Let’s assume that Israelis are getting dumber. We are talking about Jews abroad. Are they getting dumber?

      And you know, there are many Arab pupils in Israel. Are they getting dumber also or only the Jewish ones? Care to clarify?

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 12:26 pm

        Go and listen to Jeffrey Blankfort. He said it. Not me. He has the statistics.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:26 pm

        Let’s assume that Israelis are getting dumber. We are talking about Jews abroad. Are they getting dumber?

        Why would you even suggest that, eee? You’ve already accused Jewish (and other) Americans of hating blacks and gutting pregnant women. That wasn’t enough?

        :)

      • zamaaz
        April 13, 2010, 12:42 pm

        And besides, experience proved wisdom is entirely independent from academics!

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:46 pm

        And you know, there are many Arab pupils in Israel.

        We had an article here about how little Israel spends per Arab student versus how much is spent per Jewish student. Anyone recall where it was?

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:10 pm

        No, but here’s a taste of the big picture:
        link to commongroundnews.org

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:07 pm

        I would be mighty surprised if they were not, considering the Arab students in Israel get very little of the funding the Israeli state gives to Jewish Israelis.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 3:39 pm

        Citizen,

        How do you even dare open your mouth on such issues when that difference in SAT scores between blacks and whites in America is so huge? You have the most racist education system on the planet.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 3:44 pm

        Actually, we don’t. I’m pretty sure you do, eee. The proof is in the statistics.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 4:27 pm

        “How do you even dare open your mouth on such issues when that difference in SAT scores between blacks and whites in America is so huge?”

        We can dare because unlike Israel, the US had it’s civil rights movement (thanks to many Jews) and has laws against racism, while Israel has racism written into it’s laws.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 4:31 pm

        Shingo,

        Find me one racist law on Israel’s books. Find me ONE law that discriminates between an Israeli Arab and an Israeli Jew. There is discrimination, but it is not by law.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 4:32 pm

        Shingo,

        You have exactly what Israel has. Non-discriminatory laws and de-facto discrimination. You are no better.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 4:33 pm

        How about the fact that “inter-racial” marriage is illegal in Israel?

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 5:03 pm

        It is not, that is a lie. Civil marriage is not allowed, but all civil marriages abroad are accepted. Anybody can fly twenty minutes to Cyprus and get a civil marriage and return. In fact, many do.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 5:07 pm

        “Anybody can fly twenty minutes to Cyprus and get a civil marriage and return.”

        With a non Israeli Arab spouse?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:09 pm

        That must be pretty convenient. Palestinians have to leave to get married, and when they do, you simply shut the doors and refuse to let them back into their own country.

        Do you know what a “poll tax” is? You seem to know a lot about US discrimination, so surely you know about poll taxes.

      • yonira
        April 13, 2010, 5:19 pm

        Chaos,

        does nothing sink in for you? I’ve told you this many times…..

      • tree
        April 13, 2010, 5:20 pm

        See here for a description of the Israeli legal restrictions that prevent a Palestinian citizen of Israel from living in Israel with his/hers spouse from the Occupied Territories. And note that Israel also discriminates against any Jew who wants a religious ceremony different from the Orthodox one.

        link to ifamericansknew.org

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 5:22 pm

        Nobody shuts the door on any Israeli citizen.

        Remind me who put the Japanese in camps during WWII?

        Remind me who has the most racist education system in the world as attested by the SAT scores?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:26 pm

        Yeah, but who greets them at the door, eee?
        link to video.google.com

      • tree
        April 13, 2010, 5:30 pm

        link to adalah.org

        Adalah’s report to the World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, issued August/September 2001 and entitled Institutionalized Discrimination Against Palestinian Citizens of Israel, identifies more than 20 laws that discriminate against the Palestinian minority in Israel. The report shows that the Jewish character of the state is evident in numerous Israeli laws. The most important immigration laws, The Law of Return (1950) and The Citizenship Law (1952), allow Jews to freely immigrate to Israel and gain citizenship, but excludes Arabs who were forced to flee their homes in 1947 and 1967. Israeli law also confers special quasi-governmental standing on the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, the Jewish National Fund and other Zionist bodies, which by their own charters cater only to Jews. Various other laws such as The Chief Rabbinate of Israel Law (1980), The Flag and Emblem Law (1949), and The State Education Law (1953) and its 2000 amendment give recognition to Jewish educational, religious, and cultural practices and institutions, and define their aims and objectives strictly in Jewish terms.

        Government discrimination

        Further, the discretionary powers entrusted to various government ministries and institutions – including budget policies, the allocation of resources, and the implementation of laws – results in significant de facto discrimination between Jewish and Palestinian citizens. For example, a report issued by the Ministry of Interior confirmed that Arab municipalities received a fraction of the total funds allocated by the national government per resident to Jewish settlements in the Occupied Territories and to development towns populated exclusively by Jews. Moreover, the Ministry of Religious Affairs affords a small percentage of its budget to the Arab Muslim, Christian, and Druze religious communities. Funds for special projects such as the renewal and development of neighborhoods and improvements in educational programs, services, and facilities are also disproportionately allocated to Jewish communities. To date, Israeli authorities have rarely used their discretionary powers to benefit the Palestinians minority.

        Land expropriation

        Most importantly, the Israeli government has maintained an aggressive policy of land expropriation, adversely affecting Palestinian land and housing rights. For example, the National Planning and Building Law (1965), retroactively re-zoned the lands on which many Arab villages sit as “non-residential.” The consequence of this is that despite the existence of these villages prior to the establishment of the state, they have been afforded no official status. These “unrecognized Arab villages” receive no government services, and residents are denied the ability to build homes and other public buildings. The authorities use a combination of house demolitions, land confiscation, denial of basic services, and restrictions on infrastructure development to dislodge residents from these villages. The situation is severely acute for the Arab Bedouin community living in these unrecognized villages in the Naqab.

        The Basic Laws

        In 1992, the Knesset passed two important Basic Laws – The Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty and The Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation – which, for the first time, contain “constitution-like” protections for some civil liberties and human rights. The Basic Laws, considered a mini-bill of rights by Israeli legal scholars, do not explicitly protect the right to equality. On the contrary, this Basic Law emphasizes the Jewish character of the state, and undermines the rights of “non-Jewish” citizens. However, even with the passage of these Basic Laws, Israel still has no law that “constitutionally” guarantees the right of equality for all. Although several ordinary statutes protect the equal rights of women and people with disabilities, no Basic Law or general statute guarantees the right to equality for the Palestinian minority.

      • thankgodimatheist
        April 13, 2010, 11:13 pm

        “There is discrimination, but it is not by law. ”
        eee
        —————
        Let me rephrase that: “We have laws but we don’t respect them”. Is that correct?

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 7:36 am

        Really, eee? Our president is a product of that system.

    • VR
      April 13, 2010, 8:13 pm

      If you really want to know what is happening to Israeli academic standards read this –

      NATIONS USED TO EXPLOIT AND DESTROY PEOPLE

      “I’d like to welcome you to Sparta. Fascistan is here.

      Yedioth Aharonoth devoted its first four pages Friday to the result of a poll commissioned by the Israel Defense Forces and the Education Ministry.

      “The combat-ready and draft-dodging test,” the headline blared. Underneath it were lists of high schools across the country measured by the rate of service in IDF combat units among high school graduates.

      Sde Eliyahu’s school and the Hispin yeshiva high school are at the top of the heap in a country where combat is tops, my brother. In most other countries around the world, including not-so-enlightened ones, schools compete with one another over educational and intellectual achievements of their graduates as well as their future success in society. In Israel, success is measured by combat service.

      While Israel disgracefully lags behind in every international educational ranking, it encourages and takes pride in the military service of its students as a questionable substitute.

      Service in the IDF is a necessity. It shares little in common with education. An army is an entity which trains its members to be blindly obedient, while schools must educate by inculcating creative thought.

      The job of a school is to impart knowledge, education, and values on its students. On this score, they have registered a shameful failure, one after the other. International tests in recent years have exposed Israel’s education system for what it is, given the particularly meager achievements which are only getting worse. The latest TIMSS (Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study) results registered by our students placed them 24th in math and 25th in science out of 49 countries that participated in the exam. Israel trails Armenia, Cyprus and Malaysia.

      In the Mitzav exams given to elementary and middle school students, the average grade in math was 44 and the mark in Hebrew studies was 68. The PISA exam results left Israel in 39th place in science and 40th place in reading and mathematics, out of a total of 57 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development states which gave their students the test.

      Yet one does not need these exams to know that the education level of those who complete school in Israel is abominable – and it is only worsening. In the long term, it is a harbinger of bad news for Israel, far more dangerous than the Iranian nuclear program.

      Children do not read books or newspapers. Every random question asked in school elicits ridicule, if not fear, once the answers are given. In addition, violence in schools is on the rise, knives have replaced books and spikes have taken the place of notebooks. “

  5. Psychopathic god
    April 13, 2010, 12:23 pm

    I have long been concerned that propaganda — lies deliberately fabricated and recklessly disseminated — is not considered criminal and not sanctioned. In my Roman Catholic upbringing, lying had many manifestations, types, and categories, and all were ‘sins’ — evils against oneself, one’s neighbor, or god. When lies result in great harm to another — the loss of life being among the greatest of harms — a lie is grievous indeed.

    Why does American culture accept lying as if it is inevitable? Why aren’t liars called to account, publicly shamed, officially censured, made to suffer prosecution at the hands of the legal system? Isn’t that the contract citizens make with their government: we restrain our quest for revenge or retaliation or justice because our legal system carries out the quest for justice in our names.

    Hasbara is, in many cases, systematic and state-sponsored lying to enable the criminal acts of a state — Israel. If the US government and US legal system and system of justice fails or refuses to seek redress from these acts of lying, and they cause harm to US citizens, it may soon happen that citizens will exact their own justice.

    Bogus claims of ‘anti-semitism’ are not just outrageous, they can be the cause for ugly acts of, well, of antisemitism.

    How much more zionist bullshit do folks think will be tolerated before the pot boils over?

    • eee
      April 13, 2010, 12:26 pm

      Wow! Now crying foul at antisemitism is a reason for antisemitism!
      You may get the Mondy for your sophisticated analysis.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:27 pm

        What happened to the boy who cried wolf, eee?

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 12:34 pm

        What happened was that antisemites like you went and killed his family and other antisemites justified it by the boy’s actions.

        You are morally bankrupt. Even if one or two Jewish organizations are wrong in their statistics about antisemitism now, how can that ever justify antisemitism in the future? You are a hopeless racist.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:42 pm

        …you haven’t actually read Aesop’s fables, then, huh.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 12:36 pm

        eee — all lower case — perhaps you’re not yet old enough to READ THE WORDS!

        LYING about antisemitism is a “reason for antisemitism.”

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 12:41 pm

        Psycho,

        Since when is one or two organizations lying about antisemitism a reason for antisemitism? Only in your racist mind.

        Is anti-Islam hatred justified because there are many Islamic preachers that lie about the US and preach terrorism against it?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:43 pm

        According to MEMRI, yes it is. Or have you forgotten that you’ve linked back to them in the past?

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 12:45 pm

        Care to provide evidence that MEMRI preaches anti-Islam hatred?
        And if they do, they are dead wrong. They would be racist just like you.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 12:47 pm

        since when is lying an acceptable practice — only when one or two organizations do it? What if only one? How about ten — is lying wrong when ten lie but not wrong when only one or two lie? what if only one person dies as a result of a lie — is a lie evil in that case? What if 100,000 people die as a result of a lie –say, “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction” — that was a lie; at least 100,000 people died. Was that lie evil? If only 10 people had died as a result of that lie, but your mother was one of those 10 people (assuming you were born not spawned), would that lie be evil?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 12:48 pm

        Done and done. We’ve already established that MEMRI lies about its Arab translations — from Arab speakers directly, as you demanded at one point.

        So I’m glad we’ve established that you no longer consider MEMRI a valid source.

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 12:50 pm

        ok, eee. We’ll try once again. “Since when is one or two organizations lying about antisemitism a reason for antisemitism” is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Google for the meaning.

      • zamaaz
        April 13, 2010, 12:54 pm

        Are we questioning the logic behind ‘the boy who cried wolf’? If indeed in another instance there was a wolf and nobody listened, then he is dead! It is not the issue whether anti-semitism was a lie or not. What is important is getting alert against any chance of rise of anti-semitism…

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 1:01 pm

        Psycho,

        Lying is not an acceptable practice. But condoning hatred of Jews because some Jews lied is just racist. Can’t you see that?

        If Powell lied to the UN, is that a reason to kill or hate the Jews in Phoenix or anywhere in the world? Even if Powell was Jewish and the lie killed hundreds of thousands?

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 1:22 pm

        here’s what you can’t see lower case sound of pig squealing: that nobody gives a flying fart how much jews — european, israeli, american, or from the planet kosherkryptonite — hyperventilate about every little hangnail or bit of graffiti or, heaven forfend, nasty word that offended your delicate sensibilities.

        jews dropped white phosphorus on children, for gods sake. kvetch about that if you need to kvetch about something.

        until that stops, you’ve got no moral claim to be treated as anything other than pariahs. someone said something nasty about jews? tell it to someone who cares. better yet, stop with the belief that somehow you’re the center of the universe, requiring and deserving special attention. you are not.

        surely you’re acquainted with the good book — ‘who sows the wind reaps the whirlwind.’

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 1:52 pm

        Psycho,
        Blatant antisemitism. Oh well.

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 1:55 pm

        Self-hating Khazar,
        Blantant fascism. Oh well eee.

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 2:57 pm

        ain’t working any more, eee. try it on someone who cares.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 4:24 pm

        eee,

        Blatant stupidity. Never mind.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2010, 10:06 pm

        And exactly what, my friend, are you going to do about it? Whatever it is that you do about it, for God’s sake, please don’t punish us by not coming here!!! We couldn’t take it! Please, please, it wasn’t the worst kind of anti-semitism, just sort of garden-variety, working-man’s anti-semitism.

        But please don’t punish us by not posting anymore! It’ll kill us!

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 8:05 am

        The logic is that when X is found to have continually lied, those X has so lied to, repeatedly, no longer pay attention to what X says.
        The lesson in context here is the best medicine against real-anti-semitism is to not continually lie about it–even a rubber band breaks when stretched too far. As everyone knows here, there are many ways to lie, including outright fabrication and commission, and omission; as everybody here also probably knows, both effective marketing and effective regime propaganda depend on
        airy expansion from some kernels of hard facts. A perfect example is being provided by CSPAN today’s Washington Journal’s consequtive guests, the first a Republican, the second
        a Democrat House member. The subject has been the recent
        conference on Nuclear weapons. The hot button has been
        Iran and Israel. The Republican’s responses to the callers-in
        were all boilerplate hasbara; the Democrat’s responses were
        a bit more subtle–but not by much. The host did little to follow up on outraged caller’s
        statements after the guests engaged in every method of lying
        available–and the host often also cut the caller’s calls short.
        At least the callers got some information out to the CSPAN audience, including some web links. What is clear, maybe not to the House members, but to those listening out there in fly-over land, is that their congressmen are hacks and not in the least interested in fully informing the American public about the nuclear threat issue.

    • MRW
      April 13, 2010, 12:28 pm

      Psychopathic God, “I have long been concerned that propaganda — lies deliberately fabricated and recklessly disseminated — is not considered criminal and not sanctioned.”

      Precisely. Just as it’s illegal to cry FIRE in a crowded theatre.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 8:09 am

        Not to mention cring FIRE in that theatre–while pointing at somebody or group of people, and adding: “There’s the arsonist(s)!”
        (Who was tying his shoe laces)

    • MRW
      April 13, 2010, 12:30 pm

      Falsely accusing someone of anti-semitism should be hate speech. It certainly does as much damage.

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 6:32 pm

        I totally agree MRW. False accusation of antisemiticism should be punished by a mandatory sentence of seven years followed by deportation.

      • thankgodimatheist
        April 13, 2010, 11:24 pm

        Falsely accusing someone of anti-semitism should be hate speech.
        MRW
        ———–
        It’s called defamation and it’s punishable by the law..Let’s form a league to make it applicable..But hang on a sec.! The place is already taken! By those who, themselves, falsely accuse people of anti-semitism! Arrrg!

    • zamaaz
      April 13, 2010, 12:46 pm

      Looking unto facts has two sides; those who accepted its a truth, those who resist, its a lie. Which side of the facts are we?

      • Psychopathic god
        April 13, 2010, 12:50 pm

        aahhh, that’s the beauty of propaganda/hasbara: its practitioners convince themselves first and firmly that they have a lock on the truth; what they say is, by definition, the truth.

        Ron Suskind quoting an unnamed Bush whitehouse source: “We create reality, you just try to keep up….”

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 8:15 am

        Those who engage in easily recognizable hasbara, including all those gentile congress people, two of who I just saw and heard on CSPAN’s WJ, accept certain premises–even if a minimum of research shoots holes in those premises. The Republican house member was even so stupid as to say what his (false) premises were! The Democrat was a bit more cunning, not simply reading off the invisible prepared script we’ve all heard so often before.

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 12:52 pm

        You’re not talking about facts, you’re talking about sophistry. Look it up.

    • Citizen
      April 13, 2010, 2:21 pm

      Dunno. Seems Americans expect politicians to lie. Of course they must vote for one of the liars. They do so, holding their nose usually. This is currently an epidemic right here in the good old USA. Look the pole ratings for various class of people–politicians are always at the bottom.
      These days the MSM is way down at the bottom too. It will only get lower–due to the internet, at least so long as the US doesn’t do a subtle version of what China does to block access to selected stations on the internet. Not that certain US groups are not trying–using as a mask of good intention the rational of blocking “hate speech”–didn’t you know, in such wannabe censors eyes the whole land is a crowded theatre where one should not shout, “Fire?” The online child predators
      give them extra ammo. The usual suspects, zionists, both jews and christians, and “born again” types substantially amount to the rest of the wannabe censors. In the nanny nation, the government has to take care of the children–single moms need help. Even octomoms.

  6. Keith
    April 13, 2010, 12:50 pm

    One of the goals of contemporary Zionism is to maintain the cohesiveness of the Jewish “people.” That is to keep them distinct from and alienated from the surrounding Gentile community. To prevent assimilation. To preclude Judaism becoming just a religion. Zionism needs anti-Semitism the way fascism needs war. Israel’s actions encouraging anti-Semitism? All the better for the Zionists.

    • MRW
      April 13, 2010, 12:53 pm

      Especially when it’s really Anti-Gentilism.

      • zamaaz
        April 13, 2010, 1:08 pm

        There is no such thing as anti-Gentilism particularly when you pushing out a foreigner claiming you own bed!

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:24 pm

        Eh? What on earth is zamaaz talking about here? Did the gentiles invent the perjorative terms, goy, shiksa, shagget? (Different spelling allowed)

        Anybody see reason to conclude Eee, for example, might be an anti-gentile?

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 4:23 pm

        “There is no such thing as anti-Gentilism particularly when you pushing out a foreigner claiming you own bed! ”

        I guess the following statement from Menachem Begin was just code for “We love gentiles”:

        “Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” (Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parlament], quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982)

      • radii
        April 13, 2010, 4:47 pm

        i thought that was part of the definition – to be jewish is to be anti-gentile, or at least feel superior, because that’s how the young are indoctrinated into the culture in most cases

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 5:24 pm

        You copied this clear forgery from an antisemitic site. What will you not stoop to?

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:28 pm

        Which site? Because, you know, he provides an academic reference to an actual book. You can’t just make random accusations. You have to make a case against Amnon Kapeliouk.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:29 pm

        My mistake, that’s actually a reference to an article in a periodical, but still.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2010, 10:09 pm

        Hey, eee called me more of a Christian than a Jew, and I’m sure he meant it to sting!

        But he’s wrong, actually, I’m still a monotheist. It’s amazing, but anti-Zionism doesn’t always result in trinitarianism. If that’s the word I want.

    • eee
      April 13, 2010, 1:02 pm

      Pure blood libel. Disgusting.

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 1:10 pm

        Tell that to Avigdor Lieberman.

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 2:01 pm

        Self-hating Khazar. Disgusting, eeee, isn’t it just?!

        p.s. Sorry folks for repeating my ‘self-hating khazar’ label at eeee, but i have determined to throw that label at him/her everytime he/she cowardly and falsely uses the following labels: anti-semite, blood lible, or any other phrase connected to the hebron fund hasbara manifesto etc.

      • Richard Witty
        April 13, 2010, 2:03 pm

        Why don’t you just calmly avoid him, rather than throwing shit into the wind?

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 2:11 pm

        The wind’s in my favor, doctor.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 2:31 pm

        Taxi the liar,

        You can call me whatever you want. I don’t care. I know who I am.
        What Keith wrote is a disgusting blood libel. He basically says the Zionism for its own interests fosters antisemitism. A blood libel if there ever was one.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 2:40 pm

        I’m curious. Do you even know what a “blood libel” even is, eee?

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 2:50 pm

        Self-hating Khazars like eeeee are very welcome on this site :-)

      • marc b.
        April 13, 2010, 3:44 pm

        You can call me whatever you want. I don’t care. I know who I am. What Keith wrote is a disgusting blood libel. He basically says the Zionism for its own interests fosters antisemitism. A blood libel if there ever was one.

        This is ignorance on full peacock display. Keith has simply described the ‘tsuris’ theory of Jewish identity, a theory propogated by Jewish intellectuals in large measure. Here is Dershowitz in a rare lucid moment:

        The story recurs, with even more tragic consequences, on the eve of the Holocaust. Another great Eastern European rabbi, Elchanan Wasserman–the dean of the Rabbinical College in Baranowitz, Poland–was invited to bring his entire student body and faculty to Yeshiva College in New York or to the Beis Medrish Letorah in Chicago, both distinguished Orthodox rabbinical colleges. He declined the invitations because “they are both places of spiritual danger, for they are run in a spirit of freethinking.” The great rabbi reasoned, “What would one gain to escape physical danger in order to then confront spiritual danger?” Rabbi Wasserman, his family, his students, and their teachers remained in Poland, where they were murdered by the Nazis.

        I call the approach taken by these rabbis the Tsuris Theory of Jewish Survival. Under this theory, the Jews need external troubles to stay Jewish. Nor has this fearful, negative perspective on Jewish survival been limited to ultra-Orthodox rabbis. Many Jewish leaders, both religious and secular, have argued that Jews need enemies–that without anti-Semitism, Judaism cannot survive. Theodor Herzl, the founder of political Zionism and a secular Jew, believed that “our enemies have made us one … It is only pressure that forces us back to the parent stem.” In a prediction that reflects an approach to the survival of Judaism strikingly similar to that of the founder of the Lubavitch Hasidim, Herzl warned that if our “Christian hosts were to leave us in peace … for two generations,” the Jewish people would “merge entirely into surrounding races.” Albert Einstein agreed: “It may be thanks to anti-Semitism that we are able to preserve our existence as a race; that at any rate is my belief.” Jean-Paul Sartre, a non-Jew, went even further, arguing that the “sole tie that binds [the Jewish people together] is the hostility and disdain of the societies which surround them.” He believed that “it is the anti-Semite who makes the Jew.”

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 4:21 pm

        “What Keith wrote is a disgusting blood libel.”

        Then countless Zionists are guilty of blood libels, becausenothgi Keityh said hasn’t been said by Zionists.

        Netenyahu and many Zionits oppose mixed marriages and Israel has been running a campaing against mixed marriages.
        Hertzl said that anti Semtiism was Zionism’s best asset and that Jews will never be accepted by Gentiles.

        You’re simply a reactiionary and ignorant idiot.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 4:37 pm

        The tsuris theory may have been right in Herzl’s time, but to claim that Zionist now want antisemitism is a blood libel. We want the Jews in Europe to be happy and thrive.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 4:38 pm

        What changed? None of can see you behaving any differently than your ancestors, the Zionist terrorists and militants who attacked whole Palestinian villages and purged them in the first place.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 4:41 pm

        Also, as Israel’s very first prime minister put it:

        If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.

        And then there’s your own insistence that Jews outside Israel are supposed to shut up and toe Israel’s line if they’re not going to actually live in Israel.

      • Taxi
        April 13, 2010, 4:44 pm

        Self-hating Khazars committing crimes against humanity in Arab holy lands are the VERY REASON there’s global loathing and rejection of zionism and ALL its supporters.

        Nothing to do with the holocash project.

      • radii
        April 13, 2010, 4:50 pm

        eee, you’re really UNIX (BDSNOW) right?

      • MHughes976
        April 13, 2010, 4:50 pm

        What ‘made the Jew’ for most of the time has been religion, the actual belief on the part of some individuals that a certain religion was the true one. I’m not sure that Rabbi Wasserman’s demand for intellectual isolation – including or especially from other Jews – should be regarded as a demand to experience hostility, rather than indifference and non-interference, from non-Jews. Among the basic ideas of Zionism, apart from belief in an eminent right to sovereignty over the Holy Land, was the belief that assimilation was a trap because Christians and ex-Christians were inveterately unable to treat Jews fairly and would never change in this respect. This doesn’t amount to an actual desire to provoke hostility or unfairness, though to say ‘I can never trust you completely’ or even ‘I don’t want too much to do with you’ is in fact, even if unintentionally, quite frightening and alienating.

      • marc b.
        April 13, 2010, 4:52 pm

        eee, now you’re just being willfully ignorant or dishonest. the internet is awash with quotations by Jews, living, breathing Jews, who believe to this very day that Judaism requires enemies to ‘survive’. this is simply a fact, and your continued resort to the blood libel slander is appalling.

        the dershowitz’s book, published in 1997, analyzes the various bases for Jewish identity, including the continued reliance by many on the so-called ‘tsuris’ theory. that’s 1997 not 1897. go read the book, most of which can be found on the internet. and if you can’t be bothered, then piss off.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 5:08 pm

        marc b.
        Maybe there are quotes by Jews but how does that prove anything?Do you really believe that people in Israel want French Jews to suffer from antisemitism so that they make aliyah?
        No, and no again. We only want the best for the Jews of Europe and anyone who says otherwise is pushing a blood libel. And if a few Jews do want their fellow Jews to suffer they are idiots and certainly do not represent the majority.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:12 pm

        Do you really believe that people in Israel want French Jews to suffer from antisemitism so that they make aliyah?

        No precedents there, huh.

      • eee
        April 13, 2010, 5:26 pm

        Ok, believe we are all walking around in Israel wishing someone will murder a Jew in Europe or at least spit on one.

        What you quote is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:31 pm

        What? Israel fomenting hatred of Jews by committing acts of terrorism in one foreign countries against interests tied to other foreign countries isn’t relevant?

      • RoHa
        April 13, 2010, 9:19 pm

        Shame on you, marc, for telling eee to read a book by dershowitz. That is a cruel and inhumane punishment. Probably anit-semitic, too.

      • RoHa
        April 14, 2010, 7:53 am

        No precedents at all.

        link to jewsnotzionists.org

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 8:33 am

        Eee, you belittle comments here supported by quotes from past influential and accredited Jews, yet you ask us to believe that in contrast, you are the sincere Jew,
        the one with the best interests of all Jews at heart. Why should we take your word for anything?

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:26 pm

        How so, eee? What are you talking about anyway–the organ traffiking by Israelis that’s been documented? Shame on you. Not all Jews or Israelis
        condone that business.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2010, 10:11 pm

        Organ trafficking by Israelis? Can I get a good deal on a B-3?

    • zamaaz
      April 13, 2010, 1:04 pm

      I am not a Jew, but I sincerely appreciate to see them gather their own people to keep their nation united and strong in the midst of its adversities…what is detestable is the people that destroy their own ‘blood’ just to gain paradise!

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 1:13 pm

        I suppose it saves you the trouble from rounding them up and subjecting them to another Spanish Inquisition, huh.

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:30 pm

        So, zamaaz, you fully appreciated how the Germans gathered their own people to keep their nation united and strong in the midst of its internal and external adversities following the Versailles Treaty? Have you recently been inspired by Mein Kampf? Good! I suggest you read Dershowitz too. You’ll be even more inspired! Better stay away from
        M & W and Finklestein though. I knew that you would.

  7. MHughes976
    April 13, 2010, 2:05 pm

    Blumenthal says that Porat rejects ‘learned’ definitions of anti-Semitism and regards ‘anti-Semitism’ and ‘opposition to Israel’ as effectively equivalent terms.
    Some definition is needed if the discussion is to be rational.
    On Porat’s definition ‘increasing AS’ means exactly the same as ‘increasing OI’. This usage has the consequence of committing Israel’s critics to welcoming every increase in ‘AS’ because it is increasing agreement with them.
    If the definition is “‘AS’ = ‘OI as a result of prejudice or unfairness'” then no amount of increase in OI demonstrates even the least increase in AS unless the OI in question is demonstrably unfair. ‘Demonstrably’ because it is surely not enough, if unfairness is to be demonstrated, that those who are under criticism are unhappy or angry. We don’t seem to be considering any actual argument showing that prejudice or unfairness is at work in explaining growing levels of OI. Which is not to say that there could be no such argument. Perhaps one will be presented.
    No one can stop anyone else using words as that person chooses. But it is important to make clear what definition is in use.

    • Citizen
      April 13, 2010, 2:40 pm

      The preferred definition is, a la Dershowitz, any criticism of the state of Israel’s actions is tantamount to anti-semitism. Israel = all good Jews, and all good Jews=Israel. The fact that Israel is a UN authorized state with an unauthorized nuclear arsenal and a conventional military force
      that ranks fourth in the world in destructive power, itself funded by the only current super-power state in the world, is simply to be ignored. If you don’t ignore it, you are by definition an anti-semite and/or a self-hating jew. Now, did Sartre cover that reality? I don’t think so. Of course, OTH, he did write No Exit.

      • Citizen
        April 13, 2010, 2:43 pm

        tantamount means equivalent in meaning or effect.
        You know, like the concept that one jewish finger is worth ten million other types of fingers?

      • MHughes976
        April 13, 2010, 3:47 pm

        Can the likes of Dersh not see that ‘anti-Semitism’ defined in this way cannot be a term applying to something that is in itself morally wrong? The terms used in the definition – criticism, state, actions, Israel – are all morally neutral terms with purely descriptive force.

    • Psychopathic god
      April 13, 2010, 3:07 pm

      the first time someone told me I was an antisemite I gathered every book I could on the subject. ya, I read the Sartre quote — “it’s a problem for the antisemite….” but mostly the explanations and definitions were dense and pedantic — that old jew penchant for showing off their intellectual superiority (oops, i guess that’s an antisemitic thing to say…) — see, you just can’t win if you’re a dumb goy.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:15 am

        Psycho, you might enjoy the comments about Sartre’s opus on Anti-semitism on Amazon:
        link to amazon.com

        Personally, I think Sartre’s explanation of the root motive for being an anti-semite is simply the more banal and universal principle that lots of humans
        always need somebody to look down on, so they, collectively, can imagine they are superior–if not by actual accomplishments, then by collective identity. It’s a less material version of “keeping up with the Joneses. Birth, not ability to afford more luxuries, is the litmus test for superiority. Of course Sartre’s opus was based on class; he was a French intellectual and what he knew of Jews was what he knew of 1940 French Jews, and not only that, but French Jews in his socio-economic class. His work does not deal with orthodox Jews who
        chose not to assimilate, and in fact, strove to remain “apart.” The French Enlightenment legacy he worked in was “Everything for the Jew as an individual, nothing for the Jew as a nation.” Obviously, considering the modern physically and economically powerful sovereign state of Israel, that state being fully supported by the only super-power in the world,
        if Sartre were around today, he might not go along with his simple Jewish reactionary thesis if he were to revist the phenomena of “anti-semitism” and it’s
        relation to Jews.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:23 am

        In short, Sartre today might look at the occupation today, and the internal lack of full civil rights for all Israeli citizens. That is to say, he might not attribute all criticism of some organized Jewish entities here in the USA or elsewhere, and criticism of the state of Israel’s activities–as simply due to goy elite fears and goy lower class fears
        that they might not really be superior at all–to any Other. The “silent holocaust” theme would put dear old Sartre on the spot. Didn’t Mein Kampf display its own version of that theme?

  8. radii
    April 13, 2010, 4:54 pm

    thoughtful people should simply dispense with the use of the term “anti-semitism” for it is a canard

    it is acceptable and desirable to discuss anti-jewish incidents and sentiments as that is real and worthy of understanding and documenting with specificity

    by being specific about what is anti-jewish and what is not removes the power of the zionists and israeli leadership who so desperately seek to equate being jewish with being zionist

    • Chaos4700
      April 13, 2010, 5:00 pm

      I think we’re going to have to. The activities of the likes of Abe Foxman have rendered the contemporary usage of the word “anti-Semitism” to be effectively useless.

      And why not “anti-Jewish?” As far as etymology is concerned, “anti-Semitism” should include the incitement of hatred against Arabs. Like, say… putting falsified translation subtitles over video of any Palestinian talking.

      • DICKERSON3870
        April 13, 2010, 5:17 pm

        RE: The activities of the likes of Abe Foxman have rendered the contemporary usage of the word “anti-Semitism” to be effectively useless. – Chaos4700

        MY COMMENT: The hasbarists seem to be opting for “Jew hater” more and more these days.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:32 am

        Perhaps people should also point it out whenever somebody says something
        implying that non-jews are always, by virtue of their birth, just waiting in the closet for the day they can stab any Jew in the back?

        That would be called “anti-gentile.”

        Apparently the high percentage of intermarriage in the USA doesn’t mean anything, no facts on the ground there…. of course, then we return to the theory discussed above that Judiasm, or at least the Jewish collective, need anti-semites to survive. Back to the old saw
        that no matter how a family may feud internally, once they feel they are being attacked as a family, they unite as one. Interesting, yes?

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:35 am

        Question for regulars here: If Richard Witty had his own blog, would he allow Phil Weiss to comment endlessly on it?

  9. MRW
    April 13, 2010, 5:19 pm

    MJ Rosenberg has a great take on Max’s article here
    link to tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com

    Hell, I’ll include the salient part:

    Also read Max Blumenthal’s deconstruction of the latest poll on anti-Semitism.

    Blumenthal says something that organizational Jews think must never be said. He suggests that such horrors as the Gaza war are not necessarily pretenses for anti-Semitism but may indeed cause it.

    AIPAC, AJC, and the rest like to argue that Jew-hatred (and Israel-hatred) is permanent and has nothing at all to do with anything Jews or Israelis do. And yet, Yitzhak Rabin was, during his tenure, the most admired foreign leader in the world in the same European countries that are so angry now. His funeral was attended by more foreign leaders and caused more grief internationally than the death of any statesman since JFK.

    Why was that? Are the same people who loved Israel then anti-Semitic now?

    Of course, not. There is a small minority out there that hates Jews period. But the rest of the people deemed anti-semitic by these organizations are mainly appalled by the occupation. The day Israel ends it will be the day its popularity skyrockets again.

    • Richard Witty
      April 13, 2010, 5:48 pm

      There is still no excuse for acts of racism, nor for apology for racism, no matter whether likud acts stupidly and Rabin was inspiring.

      • Chaos4700
        April 13, 2010, 5:55 pm

        Likewise, there is still no excuse for acts of racism, whether it is a Palestinian wearing a green Hamas headdress or a Gazan child just trying to eat, play, go to school and get medical attention from a well-stocked, not-bombed-out hospital when she’s hurt.

        Neither should be subject to summary execution by air strike or mortar shell.

      • Shingo
        April 13, 2010, 5:57 pm

        “There is still no excuse for acts of racism, nor for apology for racism, no matter whether likud acts stupidly and Rabin was in”

        It was Kadima that launched the wars in Lebanon and Gaza Witty, stop deluding yourself.

      • MRW
        April 13, 2010, 6:22 pm

        Witty. Disagreeing with a nation’s policies is not an act of racism. The fact that Israel calls disagreement with its policies anti-semitism, or the fact that it is being shunned in the European community as a result of its warlike policies, does not make it so.

        The European community did exactly the same thing to Americans during Bush’s tenure. Americans, at the end, were reluctant to travel to Europe because they were spat on, yelled at, and in some cases, struck.

        As Shingo says, you are deluding yourself. These actions in Europe are because of what Israel the nation chose to do.

      • lyn117
        April 14, 2010, 12:01 am

        Why don’t you consider all the attacks on Gaza and the West Bank by Israel racism? The reason most of the people are in Gaza is because Israel excludes them from their original homes in what’s now Israel, and the reason Israel kills them is because they aren’t Jews.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:40 am

        It is an act of racism to not fully support the end of the Israeli occupation and end of the internal Israeli government-implemented discrimination on the basis of dividing rights and privileges according to whether or not one is Jewish or not. I leave it up to the veteran readers of this blog to judge whether or not Richard Witty is a racist at his core.

  10. Mooser
    April 13, 2010, 10:15 pm

    I’m telling you guys, once and for all: If you keep up all this here anti-Semanticism all our Zionist pals WILL LEAVE AND NEVER POST AGAIN!!!
    How would you feel if that happened? I mean, you might as well have loaded them on the boxcars yourself!!!
    And if the leave because they don’t like the conversation or views here

    • Citizen
      April 14, 2010, 9:45 am

      Have no fear, Mooser. Additional to all that AIPAC-directed campaign funding, there are at least 3X more Zionist Christian Hagees than Jewish ones. No jews will be loaded on boxcars. Just more white phosphorous will be loaded on US made and paid for Israeli jets–
      for Palestinian babies. After all, God or G-d wills it!
      Next stop, Iran, you know that country that has attacked so many countries in the last few centuries, that country that caused a regime change in the USA back in the 1950’s?

  11. thankgodimatheist
    April 13, 2010, 10:23 pm

    This is what Albert Einstein said in 1938. (I just wonder if he had maintained the same opinion AFTER the Holocaust):

    “Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world. The root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity.”
    Albert Einstein
    Quoted in Collier magazine Nov.26, 1938

    • Citizen
      April 14, 2010, 9:47 am

      Einstein wasn’t Einstein for nothing.

      • Citizen
        April 14, 2010, 9:51 am

        BTW, Sartre disagreed with Einstein on this subject–after Hitler ruled. OTH, today they would really have to discuss this issue with each other. yes? The difference is the Western demolition of Hitler’s regime, and the slower demolition of the natives of Palestine by the Zionist created and announced state of Israel–and its activites since 1948.

      • Mooser
        April 14, 2010, 1:24 pm

        Einstein wasn’t Einstein as soon as he stepped away from physics and into politics. You should see what Einstein said about Zionism while he was under the direct influence of Zionists He loved it! In fact, Albert Einstein bemoaned, bewailed the degenerate state of Jewish religious education and said Israel would fix it up! And later on, he said other stuff.
        You really don’t want to count on Albert Einstein for anything except equations. Look, the man didn’t wear socks! He was well known to be naive and easily influenceable, and signed many things he was sorry for later. Ronald W Clark’s biography of Einstein goes into detail on this.

  12. lyn117
    April 13, 2010, 11:58 pm

    Herzl put it succinctly, “The antisemites WILL BECOME our most loyal friends, the antisemites nations will become our allies.”

    • Citizen
      April 14, 2010, 9:53 am

      Yeah, they really do need each other. Time for the rest of us to get beyond both anti-semitism and zionism. They feed off each other; time for us to move on.

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