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		<title>By: annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Defense of BDS is censored. Discussing the hate of illegal settlers who viciously attack Israeli activists is labelled hate speech and is censored. &lt;/em&gt;

sherri, i would start posting elsewherw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Defense of BDS is censored. Discussing the hate of illegal settlers who viciously attack Israeli activists is labelled hate speech and is censored. </em></p>
<p>sherri, i would start posting elsewherw.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri Munnerlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri Munnerlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fifth attempt to discuss this letter to  Berkeley students, by Desmond Tutu, on a Beliefnet discussion board,  that I shared in my last post, was also censored , leaving me seriously wondering whether it is even worth it anymore to keep trying to talk to people with that mentality on a discussion board. BDS has been labelled genocide and that is considered acceptable by Moderators. Defense of BDS is censored. Discussing the hate of illegal settlers who viciously attack Israeli activists is labelled hate speech and is censored. Using the word Juhadists is engaging in hate speech, to refer to attacking settlers with their covered faces, to hide their identities as they terrorize. How does one respond to this? Do we walk away and just leave them to wallow in their extremism and hate and prejudice and bigotry? They are mostly Zionists, Jewish Zionists and Christian Zionists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fifth attempt to discuss this letter to  Berkeley students, by Desmond Tutu, on a Beliefnet discussion board,  that I shared in my last post, was also censored , leaving me seriously wondering whether it is even worth it anymore to keep trying to talk to people with that mentality on a discussion board. BDS has been labelled genocide and that is considered acceptable by Moderators. Defense of BDS is censored. Discussing the hate of illegal settlers who viciously attack Israeli activists is labelled hate speech and is censored. Using the word Juhadists is engaging in hate speech, to refer to attacking settlers with their covered faces, to hide their identities as they terrorize. How does one respond to this? Do we walk away and just leave them to wallow in their extremism and hate and prejudice and bigotry? They are mostly Zionists, Jewish Zionists and Christian Zionists.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri Munnerlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri Munnerlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a really old thread to add a comment to, but I found myself here as I was looking for a good statement defining what the BDS Movement really is, to address some comments of posters on a discussion board on Beliefnet who have extremely negative ideas about BDS. Desmond Tutu&#039;s letter to the students of Berkeley addresses what BDS is, and it is written by a man who experienced firsthand Apartheid situations himself, in South Africa. It is a very personal letter. I tried to use this letter and quote his words and I was censored, once, then twice. I think there is too much truth in his words for some to face.

I found each time I was challenged to restate what he was saying, and not being allowed to quote him because of censors, I found myself understanding more of what he was saying and getting more out of his words and doing a better job of getting to the essence of his words in that letter.

I want to share here my statement of what he is saying in that letter and what I said about BDS, when I was challenged to put his letter into my own words.


 What else did Desmond Tutu say in the letter he wrote to the students at Berkeley, that I did not discuss in my last post, that is so important to addressing the true nature of BDS?


Desmond Tutu has been to the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and he tells the students he has been there and he tells them what he has witnessed in the OPT, which is racially segregated roads and housing that reminds him so much of the same conditions he had experienced personally before in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid in South Africa that he lived under there.


He tells the students of Berkeley that he has witnessed the humiliation of the Palestinian people, the humiliation of men, women, and children made to wait routinely at Israeli checkpoints for hours trying to just make basic trips, to visit relatives, to attend schools, to attend colleges , and he tells them that that humiliation is familiar to him, too, as well as many black South Africans under Apartheid in South Africa,  who were regularly corralled, and who were regularly insulted by Apartheid South African security forces.


He tells the students of Berkeley that in South Africa, without the help of the global international community, they would never have achieved freedom from Apartheid and they never would have achieved a just peace.


And that right there is why BDS is so important today, why people of conscience everywhere should embrace it,  so that the people of Palestine can be freed from their Occupation and their own Apartheid situation. BDS freed South Africa from Apartheid, and it will free Palestine of Apartheid. 


Desmond Tutu addresses in his letter to the students of Berkeley, the nature of BDS, it is using non violent means, such as boycotts and divestments, to encourage corporations and governments to withdraw their support from the Apartheid regime.


BDS is people of conscience all over our world joining together, in solidarity, and using and embracing nonviolent methods to bring to an end an unjust Occupation of men, women, and children in Palestine.


And the global community will never stop morally embracing BDS and standing against the Occupation until it ceases and all people  in Palestine are free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a really old thread to add a comment to, but I found myself here as I was looking for a good statement defining what the BDS Movement really is, to address some comments of posters on a discussion board on Beliefnet who have extremely negative ideas about BDS. Desmond Tutu&#8217;s letter to the students of Berkeley addresses what BDS is, and it is written by a man who experienced firsthand Apartheid situations himself, in South Africa. It is a very personal letter. I tried to use this letter and quote his words and I was censored, once, then twice. I think there is too much truth in his words for some to face.</p>
<p>I found each time I was challenged to restate what he was saying, and not being allowed to quote him because of censors, I found myself understanding more of what he was saying and getting more out of his words and doing a better job of getting to the essence of his words in that letter.</p>
<p>I want to share here my statement of what he is saying in that letter and what I said about BDS, when I was challenged to put his letter into my own words.</p>
<p> What else did Desmond Tutu say in the letter he wrote to the students at Berkeley, that I did not discuss in my last post, that is so important to addressing the true nature of BDS?</p>
<p>Desmond Tutu has been to the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and he tells the students he has been there and he tells them what he has witnessed in the OPT, which is racially segregated roads and housing that reminds him so much of the same conditions he had experienced personally before in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid in South Africa that he lived under there.</p>
<p>He tells the students of Berkeley that he has witnessed the humiliation of the Palestinian people, the humiliation of men, women, and children made to wait routinely at Israeli checkpoints for hours trying to just make basic trips, to visit relatives, to attend schools, to attend colleges , and he tells them that that humiliation is familiar to him, too, as well as many black South Africans under Apartheid in South Africa,  who were regularly corralled, and who were regularly insulted by Apartheid South African security forces.</p>
<p>He tells the students of Berkeley that in South Africa, without the help of the global international community, they would never have achieved freedom from Apartheid and they never would have achieved a just peace.</p>
<p>And that right there is why BDS is so important today, why people of conscience everywhere should embrace it,  so that the people of Palestine can be freed from their Occupation and their own Apartheid situation. BDS freed South Africa from Apartheid, and it will free Palestine of Apartheid. </p>
<p>Desmond Tutu addresses in his letter to the students of Berkeley, the nature of BDS, it is using non violent means, such as boycotts and divestments, to encourage corporations and governments to withdraw their support from the Apartheid regime.</p>
<p>BDS is people of conscience all over our world joining together, in solidarity, and using and embracing nonviolent methods to bring to an end an unjust Occupation of men, women, and children in Palestine.</p>
<p>And the global community will never stop morally embracing BDS and standing against the Occupation until it ceases and all people  in Palestine are free.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, MRW.  
I&#039;m getting my news on SA from the BBC programs. Lots of talk there about the tensions between White farmers and black laborers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, MRW.<br />
I&#8217;m getting my news on SA from the BBC programs. Lots of talk there about the tensions between White farmers and black laborers.</p>
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		<title>By: Class95cafe What is this website All about?: News Update Most &#8230; &#124; Educational Wyoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Class95cafe What is this website All about?: News Update Most &#8230; &#124; Educational Wyoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tutu: Issue is the same in Palestine as it was in South Africa &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/tutu-issue-is-the-same-in-palestine-as-it-was-in-south-africa-equality.html/comment-page-1#comment-168281</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“My reading of the book is I walk away feeling hurt and marginalized and offended by the falseness of what’s in the book. I don’t walk away feeling I’ve just read a nice little story,” said Anita Bromberg, the legal director of B’nai Brith.&lt;/i&gt;

oh jesus. more maudlin posturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“My reading of the book is I walk away feeling hurt and marginalized and offended by the falseness of what’s in the book. I don’t walk away feeling I’ve just read a nice little story,” said Anita Bromberg, the legal director of B’nai Brith.</i></p>
<p>oh jesus. more maudlin posturing.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mugabe is to blame, first and foremost. (You&#039;re using the circular Israeli argument that it&#039;s always someone else&#039;s fault for what it&#039;s doing.) Mugabe IS to blame.

Secondarily, when Mandela came to power in 1994, Mugabe hadn&#039;t been found out. He was still a darling to the international crowd, seen as strict and heavy-handed, but a darling nonetheless. It was only when Britain discovered the farms that were taken over was going to his inner circle, not the populace as promised that the money stopped flowing to him. M’beki no more confronted him than Livni is confronting Netanyahu publicly over what he&#039;s doing with the settlements now. But Mandela did, publicly two years ago. Called Mugabe a colossal failure and a tragic leader who destroyed the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mugabe is to blame, first and foremost. (You&#8217;re using the circular Israeli argument that it&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault for what it&#8217;s doing.) Mugabe IS to blame.</p>
<p>Secondarily, when Mandela came to power in 1994, Mugabe hadn&#8217;t been found out. He was still a darling to the international crowd, seen as strict and heavy-handed, but a darling nonetheless. It was only when Britain discovered the farms that were taken over was going to his inner circle, not the populace as promised that the money stopped flowing to him. M’beki no more confronted him than Livni is confronting Netanyahu publicly over what he&#8217;s doing with the settlements now. But Mandela did, publicly two years ago. Called Mugabe a colossal failure and a tragic leader who destroyed the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More censorship from the Canadian Zionist lobby:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/book-burners/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More censorship from the Canadian Zionist lobby:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/book-burners/">link to normanfinkelstein.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops forgot quotations, source: talknic (who is an Aussie, Jewish, blogger at http://talknic.wordpress.com/ - excellent blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops forgot quotations, source: talknic (who is an Aussie, Jewish, blogger at <a href="http://talknic.wordpress.com/">link to talknic.wordpress.com</a><br /> &#8211; excellent blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of what the early colonizers did we now have laws forbidding such behaviour.
A) They are not retrospective laws.
B) These countries are no longer colonizing.
C) Parts of Mexico were legally annexed to the USA. The UK legally annexed the Falklands.
D) Australia is no longer dispossessing the Aboriginals, it is addressing land rights issues. The Australian Aboriginals have not asked us to leave. The Canadians have addressed their native rights issues.
&lt;b&gt;E) Israel is still colonizing via illegal settlements, it has never legally annexed any territory and is still in breach of the law.&lt;/b&gt;

I know racist, pro-apartheid, Jewish supremacists like eee and BSD/UNIX would like to advocate all sorts of archaic, draconian practices, like slavery for instance - I mean, the US kept slaves for a long time. You&#039;re all antisemitic for criticizing Israel for keeping slaves! Why do you single Israel out for keeping slaves? Clearly, you hate Jews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of what the early colonizers did we now have laws forbidding such behaviour.<br />
A) They are not retrospective laws.<br />
B) These countries are no longer colonizing.<br />
C) Parts of Mexico were legally annexed to the USA. The UK legally annexed the Falklands.<br />
D) Australia is no longer dispossessing the Aboriginals, it is addressing land rights issues. The Australian Aboriginals have not asked us to leave. The Canadians have addressed their native rights issues.<br />
<b>E) Israel is still colonizing via illegal settlements, it has never legally annexed any territory and is still in breach of the law.</b></p>
<p>I know racist, pro-apartheid, Jewish supremacists like eee and BSD/UNIX would like to advocate all sorts of archaic, draconian practices, like slavery for instance &#8211; I mean, the US kept slaves for a long time. You&#8217;re all antisemitic for criticizing Israel for keeping slaves! Why do you single Israel out for keeping slaves? Clearly, you hate Jews!</p>
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