The Palestine-Mexico border

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January’s revelations about the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers assisting with the design and installation of yet another border wall around Palestine, this one placed under the ground, is just the latest development in a series of relationships between: North American neoliberalism, U.S. domestic and foreign drug policy, structural anti-latino racism in the U.S., the Egyptian government, Mexico’s ruling elite and Israel’s military occupation of Palestine. To find connections between various international interests is not surprising but the links between, for example, Mexican classism and President Mubarak’s aversion to democracy are perhaps less known. How the occupation forces action from one and provides tools for the other is a connection worth exploring as is the potential for joint struggle between individuals and communities focusing on seemingly disparate issues amidst broader struggles for justice.

The first part of this interaction has Egypt using tools and training developed for use on the southern U.S. border to seal off the Gaza Strip. Egypt sees a Hamas-led end to the occupation as detrimental and it pursues a policy of tight closure on the border with Gaza to prevent this. President Mubarak’s regime has two main motivations for enforcing the Gaza siege; 1. To ensure the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot Hamas achieves no further success and, 2. To play its role as a U.S. client state with the benefits – political, military and economic support – it brings. Domestically, Mubarak continues a long-term crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood as they currently pose the biggest threat to his family’s intended presidential monarchy. Even modest success by a Hamas-governed-Israel-occupied Gaza would add prestige to the Muslim Brotherhood and further weaken Mubarak. To this end U.S. military engineers, deployed to help uncover Palestinian tunnels in 2008, are on the Gaza border with their Egyptian colleagues installing a purportedly indestructible wall. Underground. A wall installed in solid space in the hopes of preventing the ground’s perforation by smugglers but only to a certain depth and breadth, beneath or around which smugglers are free to continue their already-proven technique as Israeli security officials have acknowledged. At least until a method of breaching it is developed, almost a certainty as the historical relationships between the occupation and Palestinian resistance is coevolutionary. Perhaps the subversive technology the Palestinians have used to consistently conquer the wall around East Jerusalem, the ladder, could be adapted for use underground. Certainly an underground ladder can be no less functional and no more absurd than an underground wall. (The sarcasm should not be understood to minimize the danger or effort involved in making tunnels. It’s dangerous and difficult work as any tunneling profession is, even in the best of circumstances. Witness the deaths during Boston’s Big Dig or more recently, of coal miners in West Virginia. Point being that the underground wall being farcical doesn’t mean it’s not also tragic.)

The border siege on the Gaza Strip and West Bank has many direct connections, discussed below, to the militarization and escalation on the southern border of the United States. It also shares political analogies with the North American experience of border policies working against existing political and economic structures. One can be found on the outskirts of East Jerusalem in Sheikh Sa’ad. It’s part of occupied East Jerusalem’s contiguous urban metropolis but lies outside the city’s boundary as established by Israel after the Six Day War in 1967. The policies of periodic closure implemented after 1991 caused a severely deteriorating quality of life for Sheikh Sa’ad’s residents, leading to permanent relocation inside the city’s borders whenever possible. The area faces almost total depopulation due to the wall’s construction with most choosing the East Jerusalem option where possible. Both the municipality and national government have policies of trying to limit the Palestinian demographic presence with the municipality of Jerusalem following a policy implemented in the early 1970’s of attempting to keep a 72% Jewish majority. The structural anti-Arab racism inside Israel’s recognized and unrecognized borders runs into a problem with the construction of the Segregation Barrier throughout the West Bank, which motivates Palestinian migration in the other direction. According to then-Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, "One does not have to be a genius to see that the route of the fence will have major implications for our future border." Thus the 763 kilometer monument to otherness is partially intended to enforce de facto national and demographic borders of Israel while, combined with the other aspects of the occupation, motivating further movement by Palestinians to the opposite effect.

It is in this way, the ethnocentric nationalism working at cross purposes to the occupation, the situation bears similarity to North American neoliberal economic policy, "free trade," producing motivation for migration to the United States from Mexico (and elsewhere) while structural anti-latino racism attempts to police the borders with walls, drones, motion sensors and patrols. The barrier and surveillance network the United States is constructing on the nation’s southern border, the centerpiece of the Secure Border Initiative (SBI), is intended to be the North American Free Trade Agreement’s people filter by which goods and capital will flow freely but people will find an imposing physical obstruction. Since Mexican and Central American immigrants are portrayed as a brown peril bringing in drugs and crime while "changing the character" of the nation, such border fortifications are of paramount importance for U.S. politicians (witness the populist rhetoric of Arizona politicians in defending the new Juan Crow law that not only legalizes but demands racial profiling). The invocation of national security – equating economic refugees with 9/11 hijackers – is the final part of the political doctrine of the border wall. As much as the U.S.’s racism opposes immigration across the southern border, the country is a strong proponent of the neoliberal economic policies of privatization, deregulation and government austerity that are the leading cause of undocumented immigration. For example, Mexico’s state-owned groceries in the past purchased corn from local farmers at high prices, turned it into tortillas, and sold them at low subsidized prices in the cities. Neoliberal economic policies, implemented under pressure from the U.S., IMF and World Bank, have gutted these expenditures used to support rural incomes. The customs duties that formerly prevented the mass dumping of subsidized U.S. corn on the Mexican market were also removed, leading to lower sums paid to Mexican farmers, a higher-priced product, and competition from cheaper U.S. corn. The ensuing collapse of many rural agricultural economies triggered another wave of migration northwards.

These economic policies also called for the privatization of state-owned businesses, like the Cananea mines in the northern province of Sonora. The mines’ takeover by the giant Grupo México led to hundreds of jobs lost and a concerted effort to crush the miners union. The union’s efforts to resist the job cuts and wage reductions led to firings, physical attacks and confrontations with the police and army. It’s a main reason why Mexico’s elites favor a porous northern border and emigration; if people face a deteriorating quality of life and are denied the right to contest it, the emigration option is a necessary pacification mechanism. This same policy of free movement northward has also led to a threat to the political and economic elite, the increasing power of drug cartels smuggling narcotics to and weapons from the U.S. market. What Mexican officials call the "Iron River" – the continual flow of guns from the north side of the border – enables the the cartels to outgun the very police forces entrusted with reigning them in and the incredible profits from the drug trade helps them to recruit lower paid police and army personnel to "their side." The U.S. Army War College in May, 2009 published a paper calling this conflict the "Mexican narcoinsurgency" and laid out in detail the threats it posed to the Mexican state. And on April 27, the head of the US Southern Command told reporters, “The biggest concern I have within the region is not a … conventional military threat. It’s illicit trafficking. … Drugs, human trafficking, weapons, bulk cash." The conflict’s thousands of deaths have triggered yet more northward migration but also an increasing deterioration of the image of the Mexican state amongst its peoples due to official state corruption and an inability to stem the violence.

To turn the tide the Mexican government had been procuring unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from Israel. These drones were developed for and carry out, depending on the model, surveillance, tracking and air-to-ground missile strikes. The same platforms to be used in surveilling and targeting the cartels – the Hermes, Skylark-I, Skystar 300 and Orbiter – are in regular use over the Gaza Strip and West Bank and were used in the 2008-2009 Operation Cast Lead for both surveillance and air-strikes. The Mexican government is joined in the use of Israeli UAVs along the northern side of the border. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection pioneered the use of UAVs in border surveillance, deploying the Hermes in 2004 as part of the Arizona Border Control Initiative. The maker of the Hermes & Skylark-I, Elbit Systems, is further connected to the Mexico-U.S. border through its participation in the SBI. Haifa-based Elbit is providing its Long Range Reconnaissance and Observation System, integrated with UAVs, towards the project while providing the same materials and technology along Israel’s Segregation Barrier. The Mexico-U.S. border comes back to Israel and Palestine again with Egyptian engineers deploying to the U.S., during Operation Cast Lead, to train on the southern border in tunnel detection. Additionally, in August, 2009, Israel deployed staff to a geology lab in the U.S. to find a method of tunnel detection that would meet the needs of the Israeli military. The Israeli army has deployed in the past a tactic imported from the United States, controlled random explosions below ground. (The need for tunnel detection training should raise questions about the security efficacy of walls as the peoples of both Palestine and Mexico are in possession of "the shovel," technology used for digging into the ground, including beneath walls, with which the Israeli and American security apparatuses are apparently unfamiliar.) Skepticism about the permeability of "security walls" goes back much further as the story of the Trojan Horse exemplifies.

A more defined feedback loop for these relationships would be:

  1. The Egyptian government deploys the products of North American neoliberalism, drug policy and structural racism on the border with Palestine to shore up the Mubarak regime by hampering Hamas and perpetuating U.S. support.
  2. The United States government deploys the products of the occupation on the border with Mexico to enforce structural racism and for the interdiction of smuggled goods, including drugs and weapons.
  3. The Mexican government deploys the products of the occupation along the border with the U.S. to shore up its power by striking against the drug cartels that threaten it and to interdict arms smuggled from the United States.
  4. The Israeli government deploys the products of North American neoliberalism, drug policy and structural racism to enforce occupation and apartheid against the Palestinians.

This is, in effect, an uncoordinated and unorganized network that, in bits and pieces and often clumsily, produce stools that other actors deploy to preserve their status quo. It’s a pacification industry. The connections are clear and profound, that these individual structures of inequality are global in effect, no matter how localized their original intent. This is true even though none of the structures described are reliant on or instigated by the others, they merely benefit from the existence of others structures of injustice. Texas governor Rick Perry has even made statements about how Israel’s experience would be useful. He told the Jerusalem Post that a Texas delegation visiting Israel last August was "trying to find ways to secure that border, because just like it’s important to Israelis to keep heavy security on their border with Gaza, it’s important to citizens of Texas to keep out the illegal activities that are going on with drugs [in Mexico]." These issues have become intertwined in their structures and agents for change cannot ignore this. (If we think of these exchanges as products of the pacification industry then there is an interesting side note in that the Mexican Special Forcers as well as many tactical units from police forces have received U.S. or Israeli police, antiterrorism and counterinsurgency training, sometimes both. The cartel Los Zetas – until recently mere enforcers for a cartel – are made former special forces and tactical police who switched sides. The pacification industry too has externalities!)

The history of activists working across the Mexico-U.S. border is long and filled with some remarkable efforts. Mexican mine and railroad workers on both sides of the border, led by the Magón brothers, launched an insurrection against the "Copper King of Cananea" in what turned out to be a precursor of the Mexican Revolution. Later labor efforts in the U.S. southwest and the Mexican north, by mine workers and others, were strengthened by delegations sending aid in both direction. Organizing across national borders these days is not uncommon, especially in the worlds of environmentalism and globalization, but organizing across the perceived borders of causes is unfortunately quite rare. Borders are ideally infrastructures of connectivity that create a transitional zone between peoples and cultures. Here we have a situation where military occupation, neoliberalism, drug policy, dictatorship and racism all intersect, overlap and reinforce. Activists should be willing to think about borders between causes as the zones of connectivity they are and a great place to do so is on the rich landscape of the Palestine-Mexico border.

74 Responses

  1. eee
    May 3, 2010, 11:20 am

    That is why it is urgently required that the US and Mexico unite into one state. That will solve all the border issues and will be the first step in reversing years of Mexican exploitation by American imperialism.

    Also, once the border is no more, all the lucrative contracts for Israeli security companies will be gone also.

    Support the one state solution! Make Mexico and the US one country! Don’t let yourself indulge in your ill acquired privileges! Support “justice”!

    • Mooser
      May 3, 2010, 11:53 am

      Can’t you think for yourself, eee? As soon as I espouse a position, you jump right on the bandwagon, without thinking of the implication.
      But if you want to support the one-state solution for Israel-Palestine, I won’t stand in your way. Glad to see you coming over to the right side.

    • Citizen
      May 3, 2010, 12:40 pm

      Support the one state solution! All of Israeli controlled land under the aggregate dominion of each and every inhabitant’s one vote!

    • kalithea
      May 3, 2010, 12:47 pm

      You’re totally clueless and you never offer anything rational to the discussion. Your goal is simply to inject ridicule and distraction.

      • Mooser
        May 3, 2010, 2:29 pm

        kalithea, I’ve been listening to these Zionist idiots for 57 years now, and they would have made a settler out of me many years ago, if it wasn’t for the shorts, sandals and folkdancing (shudder). Jeez, how close I came! Saved only by a dim sartorial awarness.
        And, to top off this dismal confection, these aren’t even real Israeli criminals, just wanna-bes and oglers of vicarious brutality.
        I have absolutely no intention of doing anything except ridiculing or distracting them.
        I would no more be rational with them then I would with a rabid dog. Only difference is, there’s nothing phony about a rabid dog, and our wanna-be-Dyans here are nothing but pretense.
        Maybe they can fool some of the gentiles, some of the time, but they don’t fool me.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 3:24 pm

        And a rabid dogs does bite. Lots of victims around. Just in case that counts in your math, Mooser.

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 7:54 pm

        This (above article) is essentially more of the same that I have been trying to discuss, but individuals think they are addressing the entire matter of what is ostensibly wrong in just addressing Israel. It is as if they think that the whole matter of difficulty is found in the one area of the occupation, and there is nothing systemically contributing. Israel is merely a pet pooch that is trying to sell its occupation all over the world, doors open wide by the Imperial dictum.

        What needs to happen is the total destruction of the imperial process, it must be pierced through the heart, not merely by cutting off an appendage. The only place this can happen is here in the USA, strike at the root and the tree falls. However, most are not interested in this here, they would rather treat a symptom when the sickness is in the entire frame.

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 8:56 pm

        This is why eee would never ask me about this in the manner that he has with his arrogant verbal rough housing bullshit, that is because there is no weakness in the argument. I do not believe “nations” as they stand are anything but a creation of elite design, made to enfranchise some and disenfranchise others. Divisive borders were created to create today’s status quo.

        I believe in the homogeneity of all people, and in true globalism. Not the type of “globalism” pushed today by the dominants, that is supported by both the USA and Israel. Your common principles of “ownership” are flawed because it is always reduced to the most powerful prevailing and obtaining everything. All the tenets are skewed.

  2. Colin Murray
    May 3, 2010, 11:29 am

    This is an innovative and disturbing piece of analysis, and needs to be followed up on.

    ot: (very important piece)
    Mearsheimer on the future of Palestine, Stephen Walt’s Foreign Policy blog

    • Citizen
      May 3, 2010, 12:41 pm

      I agree, Colin Murray. Talk about vested interest factions and sequential and conflated one-night stands.

    • VR
      May 3, 2010, 8:47 pm

      Well Colin, Mearshimer also said that the US has tried “mightily” to make sure this gloomy future does not become a reality. Do you believe him? Poor Obama has just been hampered, hamstrung, and cannot accomplish anything – of course, he never put any consequences into his position. In the light of this article, are you going to say that Obama did everything he could and has been banished to “shuttle diplomacy?” I think many people in here are sound asleep.

  3. kalithea
    May 3, 2010, 12:41 pm

    I don’t like the parallel that’s being drawn between the Mexican illegal immigrant situation and the Palestinian situation. The Hasbara crowd have already begun distorting this parallel to enhance their own propaganda.

    Let’s be clear on this issue: Palestinians are NOT illegal immigrants! They are living on their own land and have been invaded by illegal settlers coming from Eastern Block countries to deprive them of their land and their human and legal rights! I don’t even want to see an analogy drawn between the two that is sympathetic with the Palestinian cause!

    Let’s stop with this analogy once and for all! This is a whole different ball of wax! Palestinians are being subjected to Apartheid on their own land by a foreign invader!

    I don’t see the U.S. invading Mexico and taking over over border towns, evicting people and stealing land in this day and age!

    Let’s stop with these misguided parallels. This situation constitutes Apartheid, and discrimination against Latino illegal immigrants is quite something else completely!

    • Jimmy Johnson
      May 3, 2010, 12:49 pm

      No such parallel is made in the article. The structural ills are noted as being different, the article only notes the connections between the two problems and how each structure mentioned produces tools used by the others.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 12:58 pm

        I’m not sure the article is as clear as you make it, Jimmy Johnson. But maybe I better read it again.

    • eee
      May 3, 2010, 12:55 pm


      The analogy is the following. If it weren’t for US imperialism and might makes right kind of justice, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and large parts of California would still be in Mexican hands.

      Therefore, what you call illegal immigrants are not in the slightest illegal. They have every right to be in Arizona as it is really part of Mexico. The Mexicans in Arizona are being subjected to Apartheid on their own land by a foreign invader. I am amazed you cannot see the parallels. It is not the “illegal immigrants” that are illegal. It is the American occupiers of Arizona that are illegal.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 1:00 pm

        Well, yeah, eee, and what you say is in tune with what Hitler says in Mein Kampf. Why are you arguing Goering’s defense at Nurenberg?

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 1:05 pm


        You are slandering me. Who exactly am I defending in what I wrote? I am just showing that the analogy is very strong.
        Where is your evidence that I am pushing a Hitler like line in my analogy? Provide the proof or admit you are a slandering liar.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 1:06 pm

        Anyone going to report Citizen for slander?
        I thought not.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 1:24 pm

        Citizen the slanderer,
        Where is your proof?
        I am waiting.

      • Chaos4700
        May 3, 2010, 5:42 pm

        eee, you’re like single-handedly setting back efforts to stamp out stereotyped Jewish caricatures by decades, just by being you.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 1:49 pm

        Eee, Goering was very much a proponent of might-makes-right; it’s common knowledge that is why he viewed his trial at Nuremberg as a kangeroo court. He also said this:

        “Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on
        a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
        it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
        don’t want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
        Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
        country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
        drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
        dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
        voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
        That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
        and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
        country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 1:55 pm

        Right, eee, and the Eskimos would rule Alaska and the Palestinians would rule what is now claimed as Israel. The point you seem to dumb to grasp is that the World has moved on morally/ethically, and it’s first signal was the Nuremberg Trials and the trials of the select Imperial Japanese leaders. Time for Israel-AIPAC to catch up, instead of using the Shoah to advance everything it can get away with short of the gas chambers.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:01 pm


        If the world has move on, then why don’t the US and Mexico unite into one country? Why do you so guard your undeserved privileges?

        When you unite with Mexico and return whole states back to the Native Americans, then you can tell me you moved on. Until then, all I see is that you adopted might plus time makes right. It is you who in fact is supporting Goering’s position and not willing to make amends.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 2:27 pm

        The world has moved on, eee. Otherwise the Jews would give Jericho back to its original inhabitants. Nobody is asking Israel to do that. Your conclusions are illogical. Your logic would argue that the Nuremberg Trials were a kangeroo court. That’s not slander, just try to look at the principles you are expousing. Sorry, you won’t find any universal human rights principles in your readings from the writers contributing to the Habara Committee.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:32 pm

        Jericho is controlled by the PA. In fact, Jericho was the first city in the West Bank given back to Palestinian rule.

        You are Goering incarnate. You are arguing that might plus time makes right. You are defending this US position while finding fault in Israel’s position. Irrational hater anyone?

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 3:31 pm

        Yeah, that’s me, Goering incarnate. I agree that the principle he stood for still stands, just in a new Israeli-AIPAC suit, might plus time makes Israel right. Even though a few thousand years elapsed before Euopean jews took over the land of the natives, Paletinians who didn’t exist according to Golda Meir.

    • Citizen
      May 3, 2010, 12:56 pm

      I don’t disagree with you kalithea. There are those who wish to conflate the two situations by linking biblical jews with current Israelis (a jump of how many thousand years?) and drawing a parallel with natives of Mexico and ancestors who may or may not have lived under Mexican rule before, for quick access, the Alamo. I think those who argue so
      don’t realize they are aping Goering at Nuremberg. Looks like Hobbes is alive and well if you translate his world into “extended families.”
      Not to mention the hillbilly feud once famous.

    • syvanen
      May 3, 2010, 1:26 pm


      I agree with your point; connecting these two issues raises some politically complex issues. Eee’s response is the perfect reason. Basically, I agree with his critique of the ethnic situation in the American SW. So by making this argument, it is an open invitation for the Zionist’s to enter into political alliance with the Anglo cowboys. However, to do that effectively, the Zionists will have to support the anti-immigration movement here in the US. This then could result in a Latino backlash against the Zionists. Maybe that would not be such a bad outcome — tea baggers, birthers, Zionist, Christian zealots and cowboys standing together against the other 75% of Americans. To go down this road requires that one places the IP conflict as the central political issue in American politics.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 1:40 pm


        The way I see it is that we would be entering into a political alliance with those Americans that don’t think Mexico and the US should be one country. What percentage of the US population do you think is that?

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 1:57 pm

        Hey, eee, if the US and Mexico agree to one country, will Israel send the single entity lots of Israeli tax dollars?

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:03 pm

        No, and isn’t that another good reason to support the one country solution? You should be the greatest supporter of uniting Mexico and the US into one country.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 2:29 pm

        Eee, how so getting no supportive Israeli tax dollars is good for a unified country solution?

      • lareineblanche
        May 3, 2010, 2:33 pm

        Ha, I see eee has found a new cause, his heart is bleeding for those poor Mexicans !

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:33 pm

        From YOUR point of view, no? Support that one state solution, and solve your tax problem also. You really should support making the US and Mexico one country.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 2:16 pm

        I don’t agree, syvanen, that Arizona, for example, represents an ethnic conflict. You seem to suggest that. Perhaps not. I don think that the USA’s legal immigration policy dating from 1965 should be addressed again and changed. Illegal immigration is–illegal. Any de facto US policy supporting it should be addressed also and changed. It is the federal government’s job to enforce our laws against illegal immigration. Not Arizona’s, for example. Problem is the federal government is not doing it’s job. Obama says Arizona is misguided. Obama does not address what he is directly responsible for, along with Congress. There’s much more to this issue than “racial profiling.”
        Ever been to a US airport and watched as the security personnel give
        an old white granny a cavity search in the interest of keeping PC?
        One third of Arizona citizens are of Mexican descent. That they are now faced with “reasonable suspicion” cops (themselves a good part of Mexican descent), is not to my liking. But neither is the call for BDS against the Arizona collective. I have yet to see or hear any detailed arugment on the US MSM, especially TV, where most Americans get there news, on the respective rights involved here. True, Americans of Mexican descent have civil rights; don’t other Americans have rights too? Look at the economics and welfare alone. Or doesn’t that count?
        How about crime? Doesn’t count either? You get my point.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:28 pm


        Again you are missing the point because you want to keep you imperialistically attained privileges. People coming from Mexico to Arizona cannot be illegal because legally Arizona is part of Mexico. It was taken unjustly using force by the US.

        Why do you support might plus time makes right, just like Goering?

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 2:37 pm

        Why do you eee, support might-makes-right in terms of taking over Palestinian land now? Before the end of WW2, that was OK by the state PTB then, many gentiles lost their lives in WW2, way more than jews, fighting the Axis reality of might-makes-right.
        Did all those US soldiers die so Israel could play “darkie” with the Palestinian people?

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 2:40 pm


        So your answer is that might + time = right because those were the rules of the game pre WWII?

      • syvanen
        May 3, 2010, 2:41 pm

        Citizen. We have different views of this issue quite clearly. In fact that is probably another reason that Kalithea’s original complaint is valid. There are many American citizens that are concerned about how Israel is sucking us into ruinous war in the ME. That concern is coming from the left, right and center. Bringing in extraneous issues that split this common concern is not useful. (notice how out of control it is making our local yapping dog, it is pissing all over its shoes in excitement)

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 3:34 pm

        No, just the contrary eee: I think Israel should be judged according to the rules of the Nuremberg Trials. Otherwise, the Shoah victims
        died for nothing.

      • Citizen
        May 3, 2010, 3:37 pm

        Syvanen, what is the connection you are trying to make? What are the “extraneous issues” that split the common concern? Please clarify. Thanks.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 4:13 pm

        So why are you against making Mexico and the US one state, unless you agree the might + time =right?

      • eljay
        May 3, 2010, 4:29 pm

        Crimes committed in the past = complete justification for crimes being committed in the present and crimes yet to be committed. Clean and simple. What a joke(r).

      • Jimmy Johnson
        May 3, 2010, 4:36 pm

        Point of the whole article is that none of the structures of inequality mentioned, Egyptian authoritarianism, North American neoliberalism, anti-latino racism or the occupation are not at all discrete. They all have much broader implications, as well as broader pools of allies.

      • eee
        May 3, 2010, 4:40 pm


        Isn’t the Nakba in the past? Why do you get to choose which “crimes” in the past get to be ignored and which do not get to be ignored?

      • eljay
        May 3, 2010, 5:04 pm

        The Nakba – like the Holocaust – is something that happened in the past. But it seems you either haven’t noticed or you have chosen to ignore the very obvious fact that the persecution of Palestinians and the theft of their land is on-going. Just to be clear, that means it’s happening now, in the present. Y’know, not in the past.

      • Chaos4700
        May 3, 2010, 5:26 pm

        If the Nakba really were in the past, eee, you Israelis wouldn’t be still razing Palestinian homes to this day.

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 8:30 pm

        So you disagree with Israeli policy eee? I am so happy, eee has converted! What do I mean? Perhaps you missed the point that Israel is selling its wares to propagate this inequality, and to support that might makes right eee? eee has gone to the other side, he is now ready to see Israel become one state with equality for all. Miracles never cease! LOL

      • Todd
        May 3, 2010, 8:57 pm

        “However, to do that effectively, the Zionists will have to support the anti-immigration movement here in the US. This then could result in a Latino backlash against the Zionists. Maybe that would not be such a bad outcome — tea baggers, birthers, Zionist, Christian zealots and cowboys standing together against the other 75% of Americans.”

        I’d say that most Americans are ambivalent or ignorant on the IP issue, but I don’t believe that only 25% of the American population supports demographic change and massive illegal or legal immigration. I’ve yet to see a credible poll that suggests that those opposed to immigration are anywhere near to being in the minority, let alone only being 25% of the population.

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 9:58 pm

        Yes Todd, we know you claim plenty of company, and that you speak for “most” Americans (below). If anyone were to attend a lecture and were to hear the same words, it would be best to find the exit as swiftly as possible.

      • Todd
        May 3, 2010, 10:16 pm

        I gave my opinions as my own opinions. If you wish to claim that immigration and demographic change are popular with most Americans, go ahead. I believe we would have had amnesty long ago if anywhere near a majority of the voting population supported the issue. However, the issue is repeatedly brought up by our elites and then shelved again once the voters get wind. What’s to debate?

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 11:19 pm

        No, you would not have amnesty a long time ago Todd, if you had amnesty than the corporations would not be able to exploit the people – because that is really where the rubber meets the road in a capitalist system. There is no debate here. The subject is only valuable to the status quo when everything starts to go down the toilet, which is the incessant process with capitalism, and than people like you arise that drink elite ideas that causes division, so that the real systemic issues can never be addressed and people can beat a disenfranchised people turned into a straw dummy (but the real dummies are the ones who participate). Be proud of yourself Todd, for a job well done. In fact, it is similar to the heath care issue and those who oppose single payer health care, same mental block (or block sitting atop their shoulders, and just as ridiculous as this following video) –


      • Todd
        May 4, 2010, 4:23 am

        Sure we would have had amnesty already if it were an easy sell by congress. It isn’t the American people who keep bringing the issue up for debate.

        V, I understand that you don’t care for what you call capitalism, and I don’t care for that system, either. However, I don’t care for massive immigration and demographic change because there are many negative consequences that have nothing to do with whatever the elites that you mention may or may not want.

        BTW, I’ve experienced single-payer health care in Scandinavia, and I prefer the care I have, whether I like the insurance companies or not. If small, well-organized, and disciplined societies that are corruption free compared to the U.S. are having trouble providing and paying for a welfare state, I doubt that the U.S. can pull it off.

    • David
      May 4, 2010, 5:05 pm

      Hi kalithea,

      A few things in response. First, this article isn’t seeking to draw any analogy at all, it’s pointing to very real technology/technique sharing that goes on between U.S., Israeli, Mexican, and Egyptian “security” forces, all of which are participating in some form of human rights violation. Understanding these concrete connections is an important step in building cross-issue solidarity.

      Secondly, nobody is claiming that Palestinians are “illegal immigrants.” But just to be clear, the analogy that you are drawing–that Israeli settlers are “illegal immigrants”–is also false and harmful. Migrants to the U.S. are economic refugees in a globalized economy, looking for jobs as a result of neoliberal economic policies that have decimated local economies. Israeli settlers are part of a policy of colonization and apartheid. Not the same thing.

      Finally (and respectfully), I don’t sense in your responses that you have a particularly in-depth of the issues being addressed by the border justice movement here in the U.S. Militarization on the border, the hypocrisy of neoliberal economic policies being coupled with a “close the border” security mentality, and the division of formerly contiguous communities, to name just a few things, can’t be reduced to rhetoric about “illegal immigrants.”

      I understand your concerns, but I think you’re setting up a straw man on this one.

  4. RoHa
    May 3, 2010, 7:00 pm

    Palestine has a border with Mexico?

    I really must update my geography.

    • VR
      May 3, 2010, 9:09 pm

      Roha, we are all Palestinian

      • RoHa
        May 4, 2010, 5:26 am

        Not me.

        I can move around my country without having to spend hours being humiliated by teenage Israeli troops at checkpoints. I don’t expect armoured bulldozers to pop up at any minute and knock down my house. No mad settlers are taking potshots at my son. Nothing Palestinian about my life.

      • VR
        May 4, 2010, 10:01 pm

        Roha, I was speaking essentially, neither the presence of troops nor any of the particulars of Palestinians daily life is necessary for oppression, perhaps you do not know what I mean –


        Nothing is worse than someone who thinks they are free when they are anything but free.

      • RoHa
        May 5, 2010, 7:27 am

        A bit of the Matrix? What is that supposed to do?

        “I was speaking essentially”

        What is the essence of being a Palestinian? Something to do with being free? Perhaps I am not as free as I think I am, but I am a lot more free than the average Palestinian.

  5. Todd
    May 3, 2010, 8:50 pm

    “It is in this way, the ethnocentric nationalism working at cross purposes to the occupation, the situation bears similarity to North American neoliberal economic policy, “free trade,” producing motivation for migration to the United States from Mexico (and elsewhere) while structural anti-latino racism attempts to police the borders with walls, drones, motion sensors and patrols.”

    Structural anti-latino racism? Who in our government is claiming that Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, or even siding with whites against latinos? I don’t see it. Most government officials do all they can to keep illegals coming, while making token attemts to slow down the invasion.

    I’d like to know why it is so important to so many people that the demographics and culture of the nation are changed against the will of the vast majority of American citizens. Why is this issue so important to many people on the left that they demonize anyone with a different view on the issue?

    I agree that linking Palestine and illegal Mexican immigration is just another bs attempt to join Israel and the U.S. at the hip. Israel is what it is, and should stand or fall on its own.

    • VR
      May 3, 2010, 9:05 pm

      “Structural anti-latino racism? Who in our government is claiming that Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, or even siding with whites against latinos? I don’t see it.”

      Todd, you don’t need a pronunciation of racism to exploit and destroy a people. The point primarily is not racism, racism is merely a diversionary tool. Many early American settlers, the elite that moved them, thought that the indigenous population was “noble.” What matter is what is done, what the underlying purpose is, and the end result. You do not want to argue with me about US policy south of the border, because you would be left totally naked.

      Look at the “illegals” as collecting a debt, the destruction of their future in their homeland. The same goes for those huddled in Europe’s ghettos, time for payback. Don’t like it? Too bad.

  6. Todd
    May 3, 2010, 9:20 pm

    You assume that I would be left naked. Whatever. That’s just your usual language.

    I owe nothing to illegal or legal immigrants, and it is probable that most Mexicans have no ancestral connection to lands in the U.S.–let’s not forget that Mexico is a product of Spanish colonialism, and that most Mexicans are not descended from indians who lived in what is now the U.S. And if you want to talk payback, I wouldn’t bet on the safety of people like you if things gets rough. Let’s not forget that a real majority of American citizens completely disagree with your opinions.

  7. VR
    May 3, 2010, 9:53 pm

    Oh yes Todd, and we know that “you” speak for the majority of Americans…lol On the contrary, all of us are complicit for letting what says that it serves “the people” commit murderous mayhem both foreign and domestic. The USA did nothing to undo Spanish colonialism, it compounded the oppression, and ancestral authenticity has nothing to do with what emerges from the rape of a region. We deserve far worse than what we have received.

    • VR
      May 3, 2010, 10:20 pm

      Something to ponder, deeply –


      “The blood on your hands! The blood on your hands!
      The blood on your hands stains the glory for which you

      [Stand] 2x

      Sit back and listen to this devious tale
      I’m talkin about the country from which you all hail
      Built on the bodies of Indians and slaves
      A story of destiny and the land that it craves
      It happen to be genocide in the 1st degree
      But now it’s called American pride the land of the free
      So when you wave your flag and tell me love it or leave it
      You think of the price tag, revolution will see it
      Comin around the corner and it can’t be stopped
      It’s the big bad Mexican with the glock cocked
      They slaughtered woman and children and at wounded knee
      No conscience about Hiroshima or Nagasaki
      The blood on your hands! The blood on your hands!
      The blood on your hands stains the glory for which you

      [Stand!!!!] 2x

      We live large in the United States
      So you wonder why we want to smash the state
      Well the answer is in the Zapatista wind
      It lies in the facts that we’re about to begin
      We got hot running water and food on the plate
      Which makes it difficult for you to feel irate
      Ya live comfy, yeah that’s how your livin!
      Cuz survival to you, its just a given
      While 3Z4’s of the world are trying to stay alive
      A country of color can barely survive
      No hot running water or food on their plates
      Marginal existence is their constant state
      But its not because they can’t, ya see they’re not allowed
      They get beat down by the US Mafia crowd
      The CIA-FBI-IMF-crew
      The world class multinational wrecking crew
      So in the first world, you live like you do
      Because the so-called third worlds are supporting you
      Ya ask what is the motive? And what is the reason?
      Well to the fat man powers always in season
      Control means money and money means power
      But to the real revolutionary we’re waiting on the hour
      To annihilate the rich, spread back to the poor
      Terminate the pigs till it exists no more!!!!
      Terminate the pigs till it exists no more!!!!
      The blood on your hands! The blood on your hands!
      The blood on your hands stains the glory for which you

      [Stand!!!!!] 2x”

      • Todd
        May 3, 2010, 10:37 pm

        I don’t really know how to answer your song, VR. Should I write a song of my own?

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 11:05 pm

        Try something novel Todd, how about listening to what the song said? If I want this type of conversation I will go to Green Footballs.

      • VR
        May 3, 2010, 10:50 pm

        But you know what, it is not just south of the “border,” but in every part of the world. It is purposefully done and systemically maintained, by action, inaction after purposeful destruction, direct and proxy. Even the very means of extracting the sought after booty was destructive, and is covered by Galeano showing the fateful results upon the people and the land –

        “The process of using mercury to extract silver poisoned as many or more than did the toxic gases in the bowels of the earth. It made hair and teeth fall out and brought on uncontrollable trembling. The victims ended up dragging themselves through the streets pleading for alms. ”
        Eduardo Galeano, Open Veins Of Latin America, pgs. 40-41


      • Citizen
        May 4, 2010, 7:09 am

        Here’s more on the beauty of world-roaming sociopathic bankers–from a guy who knows what he’s talking about:
        link to

  8. Todd
    May 3, 2010, 10:29 pm

    VR, do you believe that immigration and amnesty are favored by most Americans? If so, what do you base your opinion on?

    I’m not complicit in anything the government does, and I seriously doubt that you are drowning in guilt. I never said that the U.S. did anything to undo Spanish colonialism. That’s not the point I made.

    If the issue isn’t colonialism or ancestral authenticity, what is the issue that makes payback for people like me such a priority for people like you?

    • VR
      May 3, 2010, 10:56 pm

      I do not appreciate talking to self-inflicted blindness Todd, or speaking to brick walls – you answered nothing, and you present a false proposition. If it is ignorance it is excusable, if it is just plain stubborn disingenuous nonsense why should I waste my time?

  9. Todd
    May 3, 2010, 11:05 pm

    Suit yourself, V.

  10. eee
    May 4, 2010, 3:45 pm


    VR is right in that his views are the most consistent. But that is why it is so hard for the radical left or progressives to gain traction. When one thinks their ideas through and accepts them, the logical result is VR’s point of view. Now, since the result is not acceptable to most people, it leads them to reconsider the assumptions that the radical left ideology is based on and to the understanding that even though they may sound great, they are fundamentally flawed, just like the assumptions of a mathematical system in which it turns out that 4 is smaller than 3 but bigger than 5.

    One of the flaws is the acceptance of universal humanism. The main flaw though is the assumption that human’s are blank slates and do not have natural tendencies that cannot be changed.

    • Cliff
      May 4, 2010, 3:50 pm

      What? ‘Radical left’? The so-called Radical Left is against imperialism, colonialism, racism and APARTHEID.

      You, and the rest of the Zionist cult, advocate racism, hate, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, LYING on a large scale, MURDER, and THIEVERY.

      You’re a fucking crook. You and the rest of the IDF belong in jail.

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