Corporate media’s message: Turkey is the new enemy

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The Israeli raid on the Gaza flotilla that resulted in the deaths of eight Turkish citizens and one Turkish-American has led Israel and its supporters to argue that the Turkish government and a prominent Turkish humanitarian organization are "terrorist" sympathizers with ill intentions toward Israel and the United States. In a series of articles, the U.S. corporate press has joined in.

Yesterday, the Washington Post reported that IHH, the Turkish aid group involved with the flotilla that attempted to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza, has a "dual message of aid and confrontation." Their evidence for the confrontational attitude of IHH? A banner on the side of their building that reads, "Israel, murderers, hands off our boats!" Don’t pay attention to the fact that IHH was attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, and that it was Israel that confronted and killed people on the ship.

The Post goes on to report claims that IHH has links to Al-Qaeda, citing a 2006 report by "U.S. terrorism investigator" Evan Kohlmann. But two paragraphs down, the Post quotes a "think tank with ties to Israel’s Defense Ministry, the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center," that states there is "no known evidence of current links between IHH and ‘global jihad elements.’"

What’s not mentioned in the Post article is that no government besides Israel considers IHH a terrorist organization. In fact, IHH delivered humanitarian aid to Haiti in the aftermath of the January earthquake at a time when the United States military took a leading role in directing relief efforts there. Would the U.S. have allowed a terrorist organization into Haiti? IHH has also helped out in New Orleans.

Marsha B. Cohen, an expert on U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, has already debunked IHH’s "terror ties" here at Mondoweiss and cast doubt on the credentials of Evan Kohlmann, pointing to a article on Kohlmann that thoroughly details his lack of expertise. Andy Worthington, author of The Guantanamo Files, noted that Kohlmann assisted in the prosecution of Osama bin Laden’s former driver by producing a film that was "pure propaganda," raking in $45,000 for the film and his testimony as an "expert witness" in the much criticized trial.

But be scared! According to the Post:

In the group’s two-story headquarters, IHH members — mostly men in their 30s and 40s dressed in jeans or casual business attire — oversee operations in dozens of countries. The group provides humanitarian aid such as freshwater wells and medical care, as well as Islamic services such as training for prayer leaders. A world map on one wall depicted Palestine, but not Israel.

This article originally appeared at the national media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting’s blog.

80 Responses

  1. Julian
    June 11, 2010, 11:44 am

    Not quite right Alex. There are other groups besides Israel that feel IHH has ties to terrorism
    “The Istanbul-based Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief, known by its Turkish acronym IHH, had “clear, long-standing ties to terrorism and Jihad,” former investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.
    Bruguiere, who led the French judiciary’s counterterrorism unit for nearly two decades before retiring in 2007, didn’t indicate whether IHH now has terror ties, but said it did when he investigated it in the late 1990s.
    “They were basically helping al-Qaida when (Osama) bin Laden started to want to target U.S. soil,” he said.”
    link to

    • potsherd
      June 11, 2010, 12:21 pm

      Bruguiere has already been debunked at this site. Julian needs to keep up.

      Yes, the Israeli spin machine is in full defamation mode on Turkey, turning it as antisemitic as Richard Goldstone, king of the anti-Jews.

    • Cliff
      June 11, 2010, 12:51 pm

      Pathetic and predictable Jules. Haven’t you been trolling Mondo lately? Oh wait, you’ve been on vacation.

      Welcome back, scumbag.

      Catch up to speed. Bruguiere has been debunked.

    • DICKERSON3870
      June 11, 2010, 2:09 pm

      RE: “Not quite right Alex. There are other groups besides Israel that feel IHH has ties to terrorism” – Julian

      FROM KANE’S POST: “What’s not mentioned in the Post article is that no government besides Israel considers IHH a terrorist organization.”
      NOT GROUP!
      P.S. Julian has just “de-legitimized” Israel by using the phrase“other groups besides Israel”. According to Julian, Israel is is not a nation-state but only a group! Avigdor is going to be so pi*sed!

      • Citizen
        June 11, 2010, 4:33 pm

        Beck has also implied directly that IHH is a terrorist organization.

      • potsherd
        June 11, 2010, 8:37 pm

        Well, then. That’s settled.

  2. Leper Colonialist
    June 11, 2010, 11:58 am

    Be prepared to learn more than you ever wanted to know about The Armenian Genocide, the structural anti-Semitism of the Ottoman Empire, the anti-Semitism of the Seljuks and the Il-Khans, the tragedy that was the Fall of Constantinople in 1453, etc…

    None of which would ever be worthy of note, or mention, or thought, had the Turkish gov’t not changed it’s policy and decided that it’s support of Israel was unwarranted and excessive.

    Can claims of Ottoman war crimes and atrocities against the UK/Australian/New Zealand forces at Gallipolli be far behind?

    And exactly what did that Turkish colonel do to Lawrence of Arabia?

    Say tuned, answers [but not necessarily truth] will be winging their way to you in moments via the cyberspace Hasbara offensive launched by the supporters of The Light Unto The Nations.

    • lareineblanche
      June 11, 2010, 12:10 pm

      Don’t forget the freedom-fighting Kurds.

      • potsherd
        June 11, 2010, 12:19 pm

        Don’t forget the terrorist PKK, sponsored by Israel. Wanna bet we see an increase in terrorist attacks against Turkey?

      • Menachem
        June 11, 2010, 1:06 pm


        can you tell me how on earth you consider the PKK terrorists, but no Hamas or Hezbollah?

      • lysias
        June 11, 2010, 1:08 pm

        I discovered a new report (well, new to me, it’s from a month ago) that may help to explain that PKK Kurdish rebel attack on the Turkish naval base at Iskenderun two hours before the Israeli attack on the flotilla: Turkish Air Defense System Deployed to “Defend Syria, Iran against Israel Raids”:

        High-ranking sources in the Israeli Foreign Ministry expressed displeasure with Turkey over deploying anti-aircraft batteries along the Syrian border in the Iskenderun district.

        The Turkish daily Hurriyet meanwhile, quoted a military source as saying that “this move aims at repelling a US or Israeli attack against Iran or Syria.”

        The Israeli Foreign Ministry sources noted that if the news published in the Turkish media were true, then Ankara would be taking a side with Damascus and Tehran, instead of preventing the nuclearization of Iran.

        In a phone call with Al-Manar TV on Wednesday, Mustafa Ozcan, a Turkish political analyst, said “The news in Hurriyet daily is true. The air defense system was moved from Istanbul to Iskenderun to counter any surprise Israeli air raid, because in 2007 Israeli warplanes used the Turkish airspace to carry out air raids on Syrian targets. Thus Turkey took this precautionary measure so that what happened in 2007 would not happen again.”

        Asked whether the cooperation between Israel and Turkey gives the Zionist entity the freedom to use Turkey’s air space, Ozcan replied, “Of course not. Israel cannot do this without prior notice to Ankara because Syria is Turkey’s neighbor and ties between the two countries are developing day after day.”

        All of Israel’s recent military ventures have depended for what success they had on air superiority. If she is denied that superiority in the new attack on Lebanon that she has been threatening, that venture is likely to turn out to be even a worse debacle than the 2006 war against Hizbullah.

      • kylebisme
        June 11, 2010, 3:03 pm

        Has Potsherd ever said he doesn’t consider Hamas or Hezbollah terrorists? I figure he does, as I do. Granted, unlike you Zionists, I consider Israel terrorists too.

      • potsherd
        June 11, 2010, 8:40 pm

        Terrorist, how do you know what organizations I consider terrorist? If you go by what the US State Dept has said, all three are.

        But you go right ahead trying to divert attention from any fact that might incriminate Israel.

      • Cliff
        June 11, 2010, 8:45 pm

        Israel is a terrorist State. Easily far worse than Hamas or Hezbollah – combined.

      • Doctor Pi
        June 12, 2010, 11:00 am

        Terrorist and terrorism is a much abused term. I avoid using it period. The US’s own definition of terrorism is a political one. They use the term “non-state actors” to let themselves off the hook.

        Take care, Ivan.

    • demize
      June 11, 2010, 1:13 pm

      The Blight Unto The Nations. Ther, fixed it for ya.

    • silencenolonger
      June 12, 2010, 5:49 pm

      Regarding Lawrence, the colonel probably reminded him of his teenage years at private school
      No doubt we will hear more from the media propaganda machine..

  3. hayate
    June 11, 2010, 12:52 pm

    Brazil also opposed the zionist sanctions against Iran and condemned israel for the terrorist attack on the convoy. Will the Brazilians now see hostile treatment in the zionist western corporate media and be slandered by the zionist quislings in western corporate guvs?

    • Leper Colonialist
      June 11, 2010, 1:12 pm

      Yes, just watch all the comments re the much greater beauty of Bar Refaeli compared to that of Adrianna Lima and Giselle Bunchen.

      • decentjew
        June 11, 2010, 4:06 pm

        tall and tan and young and lovely, the girl from the illegal settlements goes walking and when she passes, each Nazi she passes goes ahhhhhhh

  4. teahee
    June 11, 2010, 12:54 pm

    here’s what I posted yesterday on Dissident Voice about Israel & Turkey, appended to article ” A Bit Less Righteous, but a Bit More Wise”
    by Maryam Sakeenah / June 10th, 2010 (5)

    t42 said on June 10th, 2010 at 1:40pm #

    Good focus, begins to address what antiOccupation activists need to learn from Flotilla attack experience. One thing should be clear: this particular violation of international law by the Israelis does nothing to help the stability of the US Empire or the security of energy supplies.

    Will we hear highly credentialed “experts” tell us again “no it wasn’t about oil per se, it was about the CONTROL of oil”? Will they explain how this attack increased US “control of oil resources”?

    Isn’t it obvious that this affair has actually WEAKENED the US system of alliances? Some “aircraft carrier”.

    Trying to find a coherent explanation for why the Israeli high command decided to attack the Turkish vessel and to needlessly kill several Turkish citizens, how about this scenario:
    t42 said on June 10th, 2010 at 3:16pm #

    “what if”: What if the Zionist leadership has decided they no longer need friendly relations with Turkey; that they believe their strength now is such that they don’t need to depend on the good will of any Muslim country, and now see all Muslim countries as obstacles or potential obstacles to their vision of Eretz Yisrael as the metropole of an empire reaching from the Balkans to Central Asia, even to Indonesia? With the US playing the role of enforcer, of global Hitman with Israel starring as the global Godfather? The US as “bouncer” to the Israelis as Cabaret Owner?

    In this scenario, the aim of the attack on the Flotilla was to create as much friction as possible between the Turkish leadership and the US, in hopes that if US/Turkey relations can be sufficiently poisoned, eventually it may become possible to get the US to launch a bombing campaign against Anatolia, similar to the one vs Yugoslavia/Serbia or Iraq or Afghanistan/Pakistan?
    Nobody in their right mind would contemplate a ground invasion of Turkey, given the terrain and warlike traditions, which are exactly the same reasons nobody in their right mind would contemplate a ground invasion of Afghanistan…

    But aerial bombing & naval bombardment would probably suffice to keep Turkey sidelined from any participation in military developments in the region? Prevent any significant material support to Hizb’Allah when the IOF goes into Lebanon the next time?

    I can see readers on several continents shaking their heads, saying Wow how farfetched can you get and similar things. So I’m looking forward to being told that my imagination is working overtime, and especially to learning in detail why the scenario adumbrated above is stark raving nuts & totally impossible. Yes?

    • melka
      June 11, 2010, 2:44 pm

      Can countries members of the NATO attack each other ? If not, that would mean one of the 2 have to get out of NATO before any bombing occur, I guess, but I’m no war expert, just raising a point.

      • Walid
        June 11, 2010, 4:08 pm

        You’ve had such a problem over Cyprus between Greece and Turkey that are both NATO members.

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 1:26 am

        Remember, while israeli controls nato through their american colony, israel is not a member of nato officially or legally. It’s not potentially two nato members attacking each other. It’s a non-member attacking a member and that non-member forcing the rest of nato (through it’s american colony) to accept it. From just about any standpoint, that seriously calls into question about what is the point of having nato exist anyway. Nobody but israel and its quislings could possibly be happy about such a state of affairs.

    • lysias
      June 11, 2010, 5:12 pm

      You admit Turkish ground troops are a force to be reckoned with. Turkey’s relations with Syria and Lebanon are now friendly.

      If Turkey invades Israel on the ground over Syria and Lebanon, what is going to stop them?

      • teahee
        June 11, 2010, 5:59 pm

        lysias, Turkey’s ground forces would be a formidable force if deployed against an army invading Anatolia, or invading European Turkey from the west. But offensive operations are a different kettle of fish.
        I think we can assume the IOF would have air superiority, probably air supremacy over the theater of operations. And likely would control the eastern Mediterranean preventing Turkey from using it as a line of logistical communications.
        Turkish forces would need to transit through Syria, into Lebanon and Jordan before they would be able to mount an assault, which would mean giving the IOF air force ample opportunity to attack forces on the march. It’s axiomatic Sun Tzu that military formations are weakest when on the move.

        To sustain operations on or near Israeli “borders” (sic) Turkish forces would need to maintain logistical communications, to move mountains of material overland. Some could probably be moved via airlift, if IOF control of the airspace is not completely uncontestable? But most would have to move either via the highway or the railroad system…

        Well, I guess a lot of this “military stuff” could be researched, probably all well thought out by the War Hobbyist bloggers by now?

        Wonder if Turks have tanks to match the Merkavas? Artillery? Missiles? Reserves of ammunition, stocks of all the other stuff an army consumes when the shooting starts…

        Nothing wrong with speculating, even better to speculate on the basis of as much real information as is available: who knows, you might be the one who first sees the shape of things to come…

  5. hayate
    June 11, 2010, 1:22 pm

    BTW, it’s not just the mainstream media the zionists are using to slander Turkey now. Back on the 6th, znet got the ball rolling by posting a slander article about Turkey that is in that typical tradition of zionist yellow journalism. The author even quoted some israeli hasbarat from huffyhuff as proof of the total evilness of the Turks. See:

    Post-Flotilla Ties Between Turkey and Israel: Irreparable Damage or Just a Hiccup?

    By Khatchig Mouradian

    link to

    It looks like the zionists will use the same sort of campaign they are using against Iran. Their mainstream propaganda wing will go for the hard core overt goebbelsian style (perhaps Iraq’s wmds will “appear” in Turkey now), while the zionist “progressive” wing will pick away at the Turks using a more subtle approach, such as the above article (and perhaps find a suitable, made to order anti-guv group, like they did with that israeloamerican “color revolution” regime change attempt in Iran).

    • teahee
      June 11, 2010, 4:30 pm

      Thanks for posting this article. I didn’t realize that Znet etc had sunk this low. Seems Michael Albert & Co is now openly functioning as part of the Israeli propaganda machine.

      I haven’t connected to the Z site for a long time now, about seven-eight years? But at one time I used to log on & try to debate with the Chomsky worshippers. Which I soon realized was a lost cause. But in those days I used to run across some pretty good writing there. No idea whether anybody worth reading still shows up on Z, but anybody with self-respect should put distance between themselves and such as this Mouradian character. Surely if you have something to say you can find a better place to say it?

      • decentjew
        June 11, 2010, 5:07 pm

        Not certain I agree, though you may be right.

        Just because the filth of Israel behave like Nazi criminals, doesn’t necessarily mean the Turkish government is above playing the scandal for all its worth, without any genuine commitment to the Palestinian struggle.

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 11:19 pm


        Countries don’t remain static over time and guvs do change, the Erdogan/Gul guv and the party they come from represent a large change for Turkey. If they didn’t, you would not see the zionists and their quislings getting so exited about demonising them. This is the sort of thing one sees when these fascists lose control of a colony.

        Are these nice guys, though?

        Not really, they’re capitalists. But they are a large advance over the old israeloamerican owned and operated Turkish military backed guvs in Turkey.

        Are they for real about their support of the Palestinians and Muslim/Arab unity in the Mideast and regions?

        They better be, in their own practical interests. It’s that or see themselves follow in Iraq’s footsteps now. I mean that literally. You don’t say no to these mafiosi and get away with it unless you can hurt them back, and for that you need allies. Betray your allies, you’re all alone to face the zionists’ terrorism. The people of the Mideast are waking up to the fact that the only way they can defend themselves from these ziofascists is to join together. Erdogan/Gul know that. I suspect they are the way of the future for the countries of the Mideast. They’re not nice guys, but it wasn’t nice guys who took down the nazis, either.

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 10:31 pm



        “I didn’t realize that Znet etc had sunk this low. Seems Michael Albert & Co is now openly functioning as part of the Israeli propaganda machine.”

        They certainly do when they think they can get away with it. Their coverage of the “color revolution” against Iran was an abysmal betrayal of their readers to israeloamerican propaganda. They kept out anything questioning that regime change attempt by israeloamerica. Like many of the other fake progressive sites, they were literally operating from a zionist “position paper”, much like the usual suspects on the right do. But this “position paper” was written to bamboozle those on the left and get them behind the israeloamerican terrorism against Iran. Herman and Peterson did an excellent job debunking that piece of ziofascist propaganda, but even though Ed Herman is a regular contributor, z mag/net played games and tried to limit their reader’s exposure to the Herman/Petersen article. The article was published at MR, and znet only linked to this very important article as part of a debate. One literally had to know it existed to find it at znet. The article:

        Riding the “Green Wave” at the Campaign for Peace and Democracy and Beyond by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson 24.07.09

        link to

        The article I linked about Turkey from znet has that same stink to it. Perhaps the zionist cpd has written a similar “position paper” on Turkey? It wouldn’t surprise me.

        There is actually a lot of good writing at znet, not necessary for znet, but duplicated there, by many writers who are obviously not sell-outs. The problem is in the site, not the majority of the writers they post up. The znet coverage of the Gaza convoy, besides that Turkey article was pretty much top notch stuff. But then, they more or less had no choice about that if they want any sort of credibility. Apparently it’s only on some issues deemed very important to the israloamerican fascists, such as the Iran “color revolution” that znet goes into shill mode. Otherwise they post a lot of good info. The Turkey article is a reflection of their shilling on the sly, like that. It might be a precursor of their future coverage, or it might just be a one-off thing. It depends how important israeloamerica wants the left and progressives on board the Turkey demonisation bus.

        I was big fan of z magazine initially and subscribed from the time they started to the mid 90’s. Their coverage of the Yugoslav break-up, or I should write, bust up, is what clued me in to something being wrong there.

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 10:34 pm

        BTW, Herman and Petersen didn’t stop with just that one article on the Iran “color revolution” they went on and wrote this one:

        Chutzpah, Inc.: “The Brave People of Iran” (versus the Disappeared People of Palestine, Honduras, Afghanistan, Etc.) by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson

        link to

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 10:36 pm

        They also wrote another one:

        The Iran Threat in the Age of Real-Axis-of-Evil Expansion1 by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson

        link to

        All of these articles disproved the zionist lies znet was propagandising on their site and naturally, znet never featured them.

      • thankgodimatheist
        June 12, 2010, 4:37 am

        “Seems Michael Albert & Co is now openly functioning as part of the Israeli propaganda machine.”

        Not sure you’re right…yet! Here are some writers on Znet that I’m SURE aren’t part of the hasbara machine:
        Naomi Klein
        Leila Mouammar
        Michael McGehee
        Tariq Ali
        Samir Amin
        Phyllis Bennis,
        Jean Bricmont
        There is some 100 writers on Znet. That there’s some who are suspicious is not to be excluded.

    • Keith
      June 11, 2010, 6:07 pm

      HAYATE- The phrase “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” is a recipe for disaster. Turkey, at the moment, may seem to be the enemy of your enemy, but be cautious before you embrace Turkey as your friend. While I am pleased by the role Turkey is playing in regards to the peace flotilla, and am encouraged by other Turkish actions effecting Iran, Israel and the US, I am nonetheless aware that extending from the Armenian genocide to the present, Turkey has not been any sort of friend to human rights, peace and justice. No country which actively pursues a power seeking geo-strategy is. Turkey’s previous cozy relationship to both the US and Israel should be ample proof of that.

      As for the article, I did not interpret it as even remotely comparable to the corporate media Turkey bashing going on. The brief reminder of Turkey’s relevant history followed by the warning against self-deception concerning Turkey, in turn followed by the prediction that Turkey and Israel will soon mend relations, was entirely justified. I don’t know if Turkey and Israel will actually mend relations soon, but I would hardly call it Turkey bashing to suggest that it may occur. Also, while it is appropriate to discredit the anti-Turkey hasbara now occurring, it would be wrong to hold Turkey up as an example of national virtue, as the many jailed Turkish human rights activists can attest.

      • decentjew
        June 11, 2010, 6:18 pm

        If it wasn’t Turkey bashing, will you at least admit it was ‘Turkey basting’?

        Sorry..that was awful.

        No–I agree completely with your post keith. I love Turkey–an incredibly beautiful place and wonderful people, food, music etc…..culturally, 100 light years beyond what the garbage scow of Israel has ever been or ever will be. That said, I have little doubt the government is corrupt and venal. They have shown no inspiringly principled stand on Israel-Palestine in the past. Obviously, they are (justifiably) enraged over the murder of their citizens. Beyond that, I’m not sure their indignation means all that much or will lead to real consequences for Israel. I hope I’m wrong.

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 10:59 pm


        “The phrase “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” is a recipe for disaster. Turkey, at the moment, may seem to be the enemy of your enemy, but be cautious before you embrace Turkey as your friend.”

        You appear confused, or you’re playing strawman games. I don’t claim to think of Turkey as “my friend”, but I am interested in unbiased information about Turkey. By your praise of that piece of ziofascist propaganda that I linked, you appear to have difficulty telling information apart from propaganda. The piece is an obvious hit piece, full of anti-Turkey bias. The writer even used an israeli hasbara propagandist as a serious source. I could go and dismember the bias piece by piece, but it’s so obvious a piece of yellow journalism, I question the need to do so on a site like this. If you cant see the propaganda for the propaganda it is, then it’s really not worth my effort to hold your hand and walk you through it.

        The article was criticized in the comments at znet, as their shill pieces frequently are. A bit of irony here, though, is that the two commentators criticizing it have very different pov and normally are at each other’s throats. :D But that article was so obviously a turd, that they both saw right through it. The 2nd person strongly recommended checking out the reader comments made to articles by the israeli hasbarat agmon over at huffyhuff. I’d take her advice on that, keith, if I were you.

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 1:30 am


        Thanks for coming out of the sayanim/hasbarat closet.

      • yonira
        June 12, 2010, 1:38 am

        Is that you Chaos4700? Your love for Japanese comics gave it away!

        link to

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 1:45 am

        Ah, scratch that, you’re probably just insecure that I wouldn’t be a disciple of your worldly wisdom. But frankly your attitude, insults and narrow mindedness reminds me of old school cold warriors who think because stalin was a certain way, Russians are all that way. Even today. That’s how you are characterizing Turkey. Usually when I see someone jump on an israeli hasbara bandwagon and demonise their enemy of the moment, I assume the person is hasbarat, but sometimes, they are just plain slow.

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 2:05 am

        BTW, something to clue you in to when you’re being had by a propaganda hit piece, keith. When you read something which damns a country and it’s people for something that happened nearly a 100 years ago, under a totally different style of guv and in a totally different era, you’re being had. Damning Turkey for the Armenian genocide now is like damning Russia for czarist era pogroms against Jewish people or blaming Italians for death of Christ.

        Turkey has it’s faults like any other nation and there is nothing wrong in pointing them out, but dragging up long past incidents in order to demonise that nation is just plain crap propaganda a teenager should be able to see through. The timing of the piece, and the fact znet posted nothing else about Turkey recently but that hit piece, the use of an israeli hasbara writer as a credible source, and the content shows that the purpose of the article was to damn Turkey, right now, when it’s very important to israel/zionists, in the eyes of znet readership. As I said, the readers of it at znet who commented recognized the article for the turd it is. Don’t blame me because you were unable to see through it, blame yourself.

      • Keith
        June 12, 2010, 11:10 am

        HAYATE- I see that you continue to rely primarily on insults to make your points, as well as to radically overstate your case. Since I differ with you I am a sayanim/hasbarat. As for the Armenian genocide, the fact that Turkey continues to deny that it occurred and to persecute those who disagree, I think it has some current relevance. As for Stalin and the Russions, what has that to do with anything that I have said? You work overtime creating strawmen to attack. And, yes, I am more convinced than ever that you are an agent provocateur trying to provoke dissension on the Mondoweiss website.

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 9:36 pm

        There’s that victim card again. It’s times like this I wish I could play the violin. :D

      • hayate
        June 13, 2010, 10:17 pm

        Looks like a post got removed. My June 12, 2010 at 1:30 am and follow-ups at 1:45 & 2:05 am were to that OTT post by keith, not to his earlier one of June 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm, which I had previously commented on at June 11, 2010 at 10:59 pm. Interesting yonira chose his attack at June 12, 2010 at 1:38 am, I’ve seen these subtle alliances at work before frequently when criticising zionists and zionist policy.

  6. Les
    June 11, 2010, 1:25 pm

    If Israel gets a new enemy, the US gets a new enemy. How long before a violation of the warning in George Washington’s Farewell Address gets to be called treason?

  7. melka
    June 11, 2010, 2:00 pm

    I just don’t understand, really, how the Israeli PR-hasbaratistas-spin doctors-whatever goons can think we’ll believe what they are saying ? Just by looking at some official documents, you can at the very least raise serious questions to their affirmations.
    About the IHH terrorist links, here it is : UNHCR 2009 NGO Partner Profile. (I know I already played this card).
    IHH is on page 39, just after the Finnish Refugee Council and before France Terre d’Asile. Can any pro-Israeli care to explain why would the UN consider a PARTNER an NGO with terrorist ties ?

    And please stop using the “look at them, they killed Armenians, why can’t we kill Arabs” flag. We won’t be fooled by your diversion tactics.

  8. Citizen
    June 11, 2010, 4:43 pm

    Israel use to po0-poo the Armenian claim to genocide when Turkey was rubber-stamping Israeli’s activities; now, since Turkey came out against OP Cast Lead, and because Turkey wants to handle Iran diplomatically, Israel is suddenly hollering genocide at Turkey, and the US Israel Lobby is echoing so that soon Turkey will be hung up on the bad guy line right along with Iran.
    link to

  9. syvanen
    June 11, 2010, 4:56 pm

    Israel could end up playing a very interesting role in changing America’s alliances in the world. We have been using Turkey as a weapon against Russia for the last 60 years. It would be wild if the American-Israeli alliance, broke that relationship and ushered in the Russian-Turkish alliance.

    There is one place where it might be possible to see if this change is in the works. There is what is known as the Shanghai cooperation association that is made up of Russia, China and the central Asian republics from the former Soviet Union. Iran has observer status and a few years back there was talk of making her a full member. The US asked for observer status but was denied. What happens if Iran does join and invitation to other ME countries were to happen. This could be the outlines of a major alliance that shapes world politics for the rest of this century.

    What is most amazing thinking about these scenarios, is that the US probably would be willing to sacrifice its relationships with the rest of the world in order to maintain the US-Israeli alliance. Politically, inside the US there is no counter pressure against.

    • hayate
      June 11, 2010, 8:49 pm


      Several days ago I mentioned that it was ironic that the isreal attack on the Mavi Marmara was helping bring together two countries that had been enemies for centuries, Turkey and Russia. Turkish ties to Russia have been expanding for several years and I believe Russia is Turkey’s largest trading partner now. I don’t think Turkey will be helped into the SCO by Iran, though, at least not anytime soon, since Iran is unlikely to get membership for a while, if they ever do. It was announced today that at the recent SCO meet, it was decided not to let in countries who have UN sanctions imposed against them.

      The Turks might join the BRIC group, though, I’ve heard talk of that recently.

  10. teahee
    June 11, 2010, 5:32 pm

    very interesting, Syvanen. Good thinking.

    It turns out that the Turkey/Israel split has been widening for some time now. For Turkey to authorize the use of a ship and to let IHH organize six hundred passengers indicates to me that the split was well advanced well before I or a lot of other “seasoned observers” awoke to it. Exactly what brought it about is not even close to clear to me, will have to do some investigation. ??

    • hayate
      June 11, 2010, 9:16 pm


      Yup, the split has been widening for a while, at least since the Turks denied the israloamericans the use of Turkish soil to attack Iraq from in 2003. That was quite a shock at the time and it put good sized dent in the war criminal’s planning.

      I think what is causing the split is Turkey is becoming more independent. Before they were an israeloamerican colony, not they seem to be making their own decisions. Decisions that don’t look like those made by a colony. The behaviour of the israloamericans since the 9/11 attacks has been a wake-up call to many people formerly their allies or puppets. Pretty much like hitler’s aggression towards Czechoslovakia was. Those capable of jumping ship are doing so, those under the ziofascist thumb are, well, stuck, probably wishing they could. Turkey made the jump. A wise jump, a carefully planned jump. The last year has seen 100’s of arrests of military and political people involved in coup plotting, ostensibly an old coup plot, but common sense tells one the Turks supporting the current guv decided they would do a little house cleaning and disempower the known israeloamerican quislings before they could cause any real trouble. Cause they would. Turkey has seen something like 4 military coups over the last half century, by people loyal to israeloamerican interests.

      My guess is Turkey has seen the writing on the wall and decided being the pawns of crazies is not very healthy, and they are charting a new course similar to that of India, or India before about 5 years ago. The reaction of israeloamerica to losing their colony is pushing Turkey away faster, though, than they probably would done on their own. One can thank zionists and their “you are with us or against us, we’ll never forgive you for that time you said no” attitude.

      • melka
        June 11, 2010, 9:20 pm

        hayate, do you have any interesting link about the military coups d’etat in Turkey ? I’d like to know more, but as when I searched for the Chavez story, I almost got only pro-american infos.

      • Menachem
        June 11, 2010, 11:02 pm

        What have you seen so far Melka?

        its a fascinating topic.

      • Sumud
        June 11, 2010, 11:18 pm

        Mentioned in passing towards end of this article:

        “Erdogan Rising?”
        link to

        It’s described as a long-term investigation so a little searching should turn up more. Try some Turkish online papers using Google Translate.

      • Menachem
        June 11, 2010, 11:32 pm


        here is a pretty good run down of the military in Turkey. I found it interesting.

        link to

      • Chaos4700
        June 11, 2010, 11:46 pm

        So compare and contrast with Israel, where not only does the current government have ethno-theocratic leanings, that sense of “purity” has been the fundamental of underpinnings of every single government it’s ever had, and in addition its propped up by a wholly indoctrinated army that, by all accounts, is ready (and eager) to take on the whole rest of the non-Jewish world. With nukes, even!

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 3:24 am


        These were interesting:

        February 9, 2008 Deep State Coup Averted in Turkey by Christopher Deliso

        link to


        Turkey’s Coup that Failed Ibrahim Kalin 2010-03-05

        link to

      • melka
        June 12, 2010, 6:54 am

        Thanks, I’ll read those links and maybe join in the discussion :)

  11. potsherd
    June 11, 2010, 8:49 pm

    Israel just can’t stop the stupid. What Yahoo govt has forgotten is that while Erdogan is anti-Zionist, the Turkish military has always had a fondness for their special relationship, the arms sales, the joint exercises and all.

    It was possible that the military might have decided to put Erdogan in his place for causing trouble with the zionist ally, maybe even a nice coup. But now that the zionist ally is in full-blown demonization mode, no way the military can do anything but go along.

    • hayate
      June 11, 2010, 9:23 pm


      The military has been defanged in the last year. Many of the potential coup plotters have been arrested and disgraced. Any left with israeloamerican loyalties would likely see themselves lynched now, by their own fellow soldiers. I seriously doubt the disloyal elements still left in the military have the power now to do much of anything.

      • hayate
        June 11, 2010, 9:26 pm

        Forgot this line:

        were they to attempt another coup.

        Which should have been after:

        by their own fellow soldiers.

      • Walid
        June 12, 2010, 3:19 am

        Hayate, the jury is still out about where Turkey really stands on Israel and the Palestinians. Aside from having pissed on Peres at Davos and the sacrifice of the 9 Turks to Israel’s genocidal actions, I can’t just suddenly forget that for years the Turks have been helping the Israelis by letting them using their airspace for exerices where they trained themselves at killing Palestinian and Lebanese. Turkey was the first Islamic country to recognize Israel and its sympathies and cooperation with the Zionists go back to the days of the Young Turks before there was an Israel. We don’t know how much of what is now going on is for real and how much is for show to help with the country’s fundamentalists, like Egypt’s sudden reopening of Rafah. Not being a fan of Israel, I would hope that what we are seeing of Turkey is for real.

        A couple of days back, a new regional deal was signed opening the borders between Turkey, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Since a similar deal was signed only with Syria a few months back, commerce and tourists from Turkey have been flooding Syria way over everyone’s expectations.

        About the new agreement:
        link to

      • hayate
        June 12, 2010, 4:08 am


        I agree about the jury still being out regarding the Palestinians and israel, though I I’m fairly certain Turkey is going to continue towards a more independent path and continue to seek better relations with its other neighbours.

        It could all be a big charade, these new Turkish policies, but I don’t see how the results would be worth such an effort.

      • Walid
        June 12, 2010, 6:31 am

        Hayate, maybe Turkey has finally grown tired of being snubbed by the Europeans and has decided to look to the east and south. It’s like Israel in thinking that it’s European probably because Europeans let it play football there. I think something like 15% of Turkey is actually in Europe and it has more in common with Iran than with Romania. I never understood why all the love towards Israel.

      • azythos
        June 11, 2010, 10:43 pm

        Unfortunately things are not that clear-cut in Turkey. Even though Israel’s and the military’s main allies (the Kemalist-authoritarian CHP and the openly Neo-Nazi MHP, plus some small groups like the “Worker’s Party”, also genocidally nationalist) have been obliged to pay some timid lip service to opposing the Israeli piracy but they are already calling for a rapprochement with Israel. There’s a relatively large number of people who cannot stand the Islamists and hate Arabs. Politically they may consider themselves either “left” or right, but both sides are hyper-nationalist and may prefer some kind of dictatorship to a democracy that recognizes the rights of ethnic minorities. Even though the country is far from being democratic in the usual sense of the term, Erdogan has achieved huge progress in a very short time.

        The Israelis are almost openly calling for a coup d’Etat now, at any rate the code phrases in the recent Israeli statements and interviews are unmistakable. Who believes that they (and Obama) are not going to do anything about it?

      • Chaos4700
        June 11, 2010, 11:48 pm

        Yeah but I don’t think anyone with any real pull in Turkey is going to side with the Israelis, and fall for Israeli propaganda. That would be like Britain actually having sided with Nazi Germany prior to WWII.

        Everybody knows that Israel wouldn’t hesitate to drop a nuke on Istanbul, if they thought they could get away with it without consequence from the rest of the world.

      • Walid
        June 12, 2010, 6:13 am

        Azythos, are you suggesting that Turkey is next in line to make it on America’s hit list of countries needing a regime change and if so, will it come before or after Syria?

      • azythos
        June 12, 2010, 4:40 pm

        A lot of people with pull in Turkey are already siding with the Israelis. Not as crudely as the Nazi mob cheering the killings in the streets, but almost.

        I am translating below an interesting snippet from a speech by Erdogan yesterday, in Trebizond. Of course you have to give the usual discount for some exageration, he being a politician, but still the CHP (Kemalist-authoritarian-socialdictatorial), MHP (Official Neo-Nazi) and all army sidekicks have clearly written and said what Erdogan is summarizing.


        Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan continued: “The other day their title pages had, again: “Turkey is breaking with the West, Turkey turned its face to the Arab countries!” Now if you read the Israeli press, you’ll see that they insistently say the same thing. The same is also in the Israeli-supported international press. They all get their directions from the same place. How is it that you now so urgently repeat slander and evil propaganda just because it is in the foreign press? That foreign newspaper was established in order to serve Israel and it is doing its job. But who are you serving? What assignment are you fulfilling? Your country is in a struggle, your nation is up in arms, mourning its dead brothers. Which is the country and the nation that you work for? We hear that whoever speaks the truth is branded a partisan of Israel. Wrong. We are not imputing it to anyone, we are not slandering anyone. We are not practicing evil propaganda like you do. We only stated the truth. Some people may take fright and close their eyes to massacres and piracy. Maybe it was always so but rest assured that it won’t go on as it always had.

        We won’t be scared, we won’t surrender to evil propaganda. We won’t remain silent, inert, in the face of such piracy…”

        link to

        I hate the very idea of anyone religious being the only effective democratizer. With a huge discount again for his being a politician, he seems to have a couple more cojones than the reactionary blob of goo that’s playing president here.

      • lysias
        June 12, 2010, 9:59 pm

        If they nuke Istanbul, they’re unlikely to get Erdogan, who is in Ankara most of the time (even if he is a native of Istanbul). They will, however, get a large percentage of the secularists in Turkey. As well as a large percentage of the Jews in Turkey, something like 80% of whom are in the Istanbul area.

      • melka
        June 12, 2010, 10:09 pm

        So there will still be a huge crowd of Muslim Turks angry enough to kick their asses.

  12. Avi
    June 11, 2010, 10:40 pm

    So, since the Washington Post has been printing Israel’s lies and propaganda, much in the same way the NYT has been, why does Mondoweiss put more focus on NYT? Does it have something to do with demographics?

    Anyway, I have long come to the conclusion that those two papers, along with many others around the US are tentacles of the giant octopus known as AIPAC.

  13. Chaos4700
    June 11, 2010, 11:42 pm

    Gee, yeah, I’m sure our parasitic relationship with Israel that costs us several billion dollars a year that could be spent on education, or infrastructure, or economic revitalization is worth more than our relationship with a military alliance we’ve maintained since just about the end of World War II, without which we’d have been completely slaughtered in Afghanistan (instead of merely hanging on by our fingernails, as we are now).

  14. Les
    June 12, 2010, 1:20 pm

    link to

    Dayan Calls for Assassination of Erdogan via Sinking of his Proposed Aid Ship
    Posted on June 12, 2010 by Juan

    The former deputy general Chief of Staff of the Israeli military has called for a proposed aid ship to Gaza from Turkey to be sunk by the Israeli navy. Since the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, pledged to be aboard the proposed vessel, Uzi Dayan, the nephew of Moshe Dayan, was implicitly calling for the assassination of the Turkish prime minister.

  15. silencenolonger
    June 12, 2010, 6:04 pm

    It is worth remembering that the reason Turkey came to rule the Islamic world was its defeat of the blood thirsty Mongols. And as recent as 1629 they were at at th gates of Vienna, and even more recently destroying Brits and Aussies in the Dardenelles. Turks are great soldiers, ruthless. They contolled the ME for 700 years. If I was in the IDF I would be having an involuntary bowel movements at the thoughts of fighting the at Turks

    • azythos
      June 12, 2010, 6:33 pm

      [Just nitpicking: Turkey or Turks never defeate the “bloodtirsty Mongols”. In fact, Tamerlane was the only guy who defeated the Ottomans in old times; he even made prisoner the Sultan and delayed the march to the West. ]

      As for what you say about the ruthlessness (and also the incredible physical courage) of the soldatesque, check (but at the end of the day the only effective weapon in conventional warfare is money.) Not only the soldiers, though; physical courage seems to be in more abundant supply in that culture. Look at the pluck and the relative effectiveness of ordinary people defending themselves with a couple broomsticks against the robocops’ assault rifles; there’s a reason only Turkish citizens got killed. Anyone who has lived in Turkey could have told the Israelis about that. Even if you’re heavily armed you don’t want to engage them in close combat.

    • hayate
      June 12, 2010, 9:46 pm

      “If I was in the IDF I would be having an involuntary bowel movements at the thoughts of fighting the at Turks”

      It’s well known the idf issues adult diapers to their troops if there is the smallest sign said troops will encounter armed opponents (Ie: not children and old women armed with caustic wit).

    • lysias
      June 13, 2010, 3:01 pm

      Army veterans (I’m an old soldier myself, albeit one whose service was in the Air Force and the Navy, although often on Army bases) who served in Korea have told me what fearsome fighters the Turks were in the Korean War.

    • MHughes976
      June 13, 2010, 3:32 pm

      The Second Siege of Vienna was in 1683 and led to a defeat of the seemingly unwieldy Turkish army, which its leaders seemingly blamed on its Hungarian Protestant allies. I think that the main lesson of all military history is that no one always wins. The Israelis should know this. If they don’t know it from secular history the Bible should remind them.

  16. teahee
    June 13, 2010, 2:55 pm

    hayate you crack me up:) However I have a question: you refer to “the idf”. Is that a code for the Israeli Occupation Forces/IOF?
    thankee v kinely:)

    • lysias
      June 13, 2010, 2:58 pm

      We refer to the German armed forces of the Hitler era as the “Wehrmacht,” even though the name literally means “defense force.” We also talk about the “Department of Defense” in Washington (in whose headquarters, the Pentagon, I once had the dubious honor of working — actually, it’s just outside Washington).

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