‘CSM’ questions Israel’s Iran paranoia, thereby breaking MSM taboo

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The Christian Science Monitor and reporter Scott Peterson do what the rest of our media ought to do, and examine the obsession with Iran in Israel as an irrational and Holocaust-related phobia, which distracts Israel from the true existential threat, governance over half its population that does not get a vote. When will the Israel-philes in the big press even lift the carpet on this stuff?

“Iran is perhaps the most central issue [in Israel], yet there is really no critical debate about this," says [author Haggai] Ram. "The people who would rather run against the grain are really a minority. Whenever they speak up – and I say this out of personal experience – they are immediately rendered into these bizarre self-defeating, self-hating Jews, and seen as a fifth column.”

“The idea is that we have no other choice, they want to destroy us,” says Reuven Pedatzur, academic director of a center for strategic dialogue at Netanya Academic College, of the Israeli mindset. “It’s a cultural issue, based on the Holocaust, that everybody wants to destroy the Jewish people."

Israeli analysts often describe how the Jewish state “needs” an outside enemy to justify continued oppression against the Palestinians and one of the largest per capita defense budgets in the Middle East.

23 Responses

  1. MRW
    June 19, 2010, 12:40 pm

    Israeli analysts often describe how the Jewish state “needs” an outside enemy to soak more money out of the Diaspora.

    The Reptilian Brain in action.

  2. Walid
    June 19, 2010, 12:51 pm

    Scott Peterson says the same thing of Iranians although it’s to keep everyone’s mind away from the problems at home. Israel and Iran are playing the same games against each other and against their own people. Israel needs a Hamas, a Hizbullah and an Iran to stay in business and Iran needs a satanic Israel in the same way.

    • hayate
      June 19, 2010, 1:00 pm

      Walid June 19, 2010 at 12:51 pm

      The propaganda to keep their various populations in line is a part of it, but not the reason for the antagonism of israeloamerica towards Iran and vice versa.

      The main reason for the antagonism is geopolitics. The israeloamericans want Iran as a colony and Iran would rather pass on that.

      • Walid
        June 19, 2010, 2:39 pm

        Without a bogeyman, how long would Israel last? It’s already starting to tear at the seams; American Jews starting to hold Israel accountable, Palestinian-Israelis begining to raise their voices, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardim, the pro and the anti-setller groups, the rich and the poor, etc. The only thing that has kept it glued together since the begining was the existential fear which most don’t have anymore.

      • Psychopathic god
        June 19, 2010, 3:15 pm

        In contrast, Walid, Iranian society is stronger than ever. Iranians have absorbed the blows of both their own government — according to Stephen Kinzer, who visited Iran recently, Iranians are patient enough to work slowly and diligently and in non-dramatic ways for the reforms they want from their government — and Iranians are able to absorb the blows of the international community, with grace and dignity.

        Israelis, on the other hand, get more money from the US than any other entity on the planet, and they respond by asking for more and more and more. When more comes, as it inevitably does, they STILL kill; Israelis STILL claim they are “insecure;” Israelis denigrate the US, Israelis attack the president of the US for “not doing enough to protect Israel.”

        What can one possibly say that adequately expresses the disgust one feels for this sick and greedy people?

      • hayate
        June 19, 2010, 6:16 pm


        “Without a bogeyman, how long would Israel last?”

        Without Iran to demonise, how long do you think it would take israel to find another bogeyman? :D

    • Psychopathic god
      June 19, 2010, 3:00 pm

      I don’t know what Scott Peterson says; can’t comment on that.

      I DO disagree, Walid, that “Israel and Iran are playing the same games against each other and against their own people.”
      Here’s how Iran and Israel are different: Iranians disagree with their government and refuse to be propagandized and traumatized by their government. As a result, Iran’s government is continually ‘triangulating,’ to borrow a term from the odious Clintonistas: Iran’s government modifies its positions in slight increments to maintain the support of the people.

      In Israel, on the other hand, the government is doing the bidding of the people, which ‘bidding’ is a profound reflection of the perpetual traumatization that Israelis imbibe through their landscape, their architecture, their schools, their militarized society, their religion, their ethnic holidays, their very identity. Israeli society is sick, and having been sickened by its leadership, Israel’s leadership is incapable of promoting wellness among the people, but only of slaking the sickness of Israeli people by pointing to Iran as the culprit for Israel’s ills.

      The Iranian people do NOT share the same sick obsession with Israel that the people of Israel aim at Iran.

      If justice eventually prevails, Hamas and Hezbollah, who are now leaders of Palestinian and Lebanese resistance to Israeli oppression, will become legitimate governing entities in their respective independent states, and Iran will have been the moral conscience that stood on the right side of history.

      Israel and the Israelis?

      • Walid
        June 19, 2010, 3:45 pm

        PG, Hizbullah cannot and does not want to have its state unless it goes along with the American redrawing of the MidEast map that would have had Lebanese Shia transferred to an Iraqi Shia province but with the failure to crush Hizbullah in 2006 in spite of the carpet bombing of all their areas and villages and the Americans starting to pack up in Iraq, it looks like the map is not about to change. The Shia’s Wilayat al-Faqih regime like they have in Iran with a supreme leader could never work in Lebanon because of the presence of other religions.

        I know that apart from a few hangups about freedom and the usual corruption that is prevalent in all of the area’s countries including Israel, the Iranians are doing relatively well and Israel is the last thing on their mind. To their credit, the ratio of females to males at all levels of education is among the highest in the word.

    • sherbrsi
      June 19, 2010, 6:36 pm

      Israel and Iran are playing the same games against each other and against their own people. Israel needs a Hamas, a Hizbullah and an Iran to stay in business and Iran needs a satanic Israel in the same way.

      That’s a lie and a grave misreading of Iranian sentiment.

      Right now, Iran is the central issue in Israel. It is the Zionists and the Israelis who are the warmongering people. Do not forget that Iran has not launched a war against any state for decades. The Iranian leadership is pursuing a nuclear program, and it has stressed war for only defensive purposes (in the truest sense of the word: Iran will only attack if and when it is attacked).

      Contrast this with the Israelis, and the Americans, who launch wars on punitive and preemptive grounds. The Israelis are restless yet again for another round of Israeli/American led bloodshed. A contender for regional power is emerging within Iran, and they are not going to let it go unchallenged. Sometimes, being the strongest not only means possessing the most strength, but eliminating challengers who threaten that power. And the nuclear program is one such element which completely topples the military superiority posed by Israel and America and changes the playing field.

      If there is a widespread fear in Israel regarding Iran, it is that Israel cannot be a mad dog state if it has to strategically analyze its military offensives within the context of direct and indirect Iranian support to groups and states it is at opposition with. A nuclear Iran poses a grave threat to the Israelis plans of violent expansionism, as expressed through its Zionist settlement programs. Viewed within that frame, it is no surprise that the Israelis widely regard Iran as an “existential threat,” for the Israelis who have based the existence of their state and its growth through pillaging, murder and theft, an emboldened Iran presents a great hindrance to their depraved program of Greater Israel.

      • Psychopathic god
        June 19, 2010, 6:58 pm

        what sherbrsi said.
        and said well.

      • hayate
        June 19, 2010, 8:56 pm

        What sherbrsi and Psychopathic god said.

  3. chet
    June 19, 2010, 2:30 pm

    Unceasing victimhood –

    Cast Lead – 1400 Palestinians killed, 12 Israeli fatalities – Israel is the “victim” of glorified fireworks;

    Flotilla – 10 turks killed, 0 Israeli fatalities – Israelis are the “victims” of “lynchings”;

    etc, etc

    And the most unfortunate aspect of this mind-set is, according to polls reported in Haaretz, that most Israelis buy into this BS.

    • Walid
      June 19, 2010, 2:41 pm

      “… Unceasing victimhood.”

      It’s their bread and butter, their oxygen, their viagra or whatever but they need it to stay alive.

  4. MRW
    June 19, 2010, 2:55 pm

    Livni behind closed doors: Iran nukes pose little threat to Israel
    link to haaretz.com

    Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said a few months ago in a series of closed discussions that in her opinion that Iranian nuclear weapons do not pose an existential threat to Israel, Haaretz magazine reveals in an article on Livni to be published Friday.

    Livni also criticized the exaggerated use that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is making of the issue of the Iranian bomb, claiming that he is attempting to rally the public around him by playing on its most basic fears. Last week, former Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy said similar things about Iran.

  5. Debonnaire
    June 19, 2010, 4:32 pm

    Jewish hysteria got 100,000+ Iragis killed, thousands of young Americans, God knows how many mutialed and maimed. It’s been 7 years and still our leaders bow down before the two-headed dragon of Jewish money and Jewish hysteria. Ahmadinijead is right about Israel, right about Zionism, right about its insidiously evil Influence in world affairs. Zug nisht. But do.

  6. Patrick
    June 19, 2010, 4:36 pm

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Sept 17, 2009:

    “I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel.”

    “Israel is strong, I don’t see anyone who could pose an existential threat. ”

    link to haaretz.com

    • eljay
      June 19, 2010, 6:14 pm

      >> Israeli analysts often describe how the Jewish state “needs” an outside enemy to justify continued oppression against the Palestinians and one of the largest per capita defense budgets in the Middle East.

      Israel and the U.S. really are of a like mind: “Analysts often describe how the U.S. ‘needs’ an outside enemy to justify continued oppression against [Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, any place they damned well please] and one of the largest per capita defense budgets in the world”.

      • Psychopathic god
        June 19, 2010, 7:02 pm

        I would suggest that US is slightly more nuanced — no less sociopathic than Israel, but with a different agenda: keeping the MIC maw well fed. Only industry US has going for it is weapons production. Plus, sending young people off to die in useless wars ‘culls the herd,’ reduces unemployment pressures in US.

        THIS is what Jefferson, Madison, Adams staked their “lives, fortunes, sacred honor” to create?

      • Citizen
        June 20, 2010, 6:58 am

        Over 62% of US grunts are white, disproportionately from the rural areas, especially the South. We have nearly 10% unemployment. Males are by far the group that suffers long-term unemployment the most. (Short term unemployment divides up equally by gender). Here’s a boy asking daddy why:
        link to youtube.com

  7. gingershot
    June 19, 2010, 7:13 pm

    Israel is at existential crisis – it hardly matters which enemy she chooses to strike out at now – Palestinians, Iranians, Turks – the object of her hatred is no longer the point. Israel is cornered, dangerous, and half-realizes that the monster she hates is herself.

    She seeks to lash out to avoid the truth she is facing – that the diaster of her occupation of Palestine is at the end of it’s rope, and that her cherished role of hegemon of the Middle East – able to attack and bully at will – has come to an end

    It is the end of an era for Israel – the end of occupied Palestine and the end of the Israeli/Neocon ‘Long War against Islam’

    Having Gaza taken out of Israeli hands was the breaking point for her – FreeGaza was the catalyst

    • Psychopathic god
      June 19, 2010, 9:42 pm

      how will this play out, gingershot? will Israel start another war? on whom? Lebanon was mentioned recently as Israel’s next target, but what’s the strategy in an attack on Lebanon?

      What’s the deal with Israel and US sending ships across Suez Canal to Red Sea?

      • Citizen
        June 20, 2010, 7:25 am

        According to Ynet News the US ships included an aircraft carrier and carried infantry troops, armored vehicles and ammunition.

  8. kalithea
    June 19, 2010, 11:24 pm

    I hope Iranians are playing it smart. They should get the bomb, get a 100 bombs and make the hypocrites of the world who enable Israel’s war crimes and crimes against humanity shut up.

    If there’s one thing I can’t stand is HYPOCRISY. My advice to Iran is to call the Israeli Samson Option Bluff. The day Israel has a hundred Iranian nuclear missiles pointed in its direction, is the day we will FINALLY HAVE PEACE and yes, quiet!

    I’m sick and tired or Israelis and their paranoid griping and whining!

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