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  1. Shingo
    June 24, 2010, 7:01 pm

    Thus looks brilliant.

    I hope it gets shown at film festivals throughout the world and released in full on the web, hopefully in time to embarrass Israel’s whitewash investigation.

    • Schwartzman
      June 24, 2010, 7:16 pm

      I think it is a book Shingo.

      • potsherd
        June 24, 2010, 7:34 pm

        A book not widely available in the usual places books are sold, unfortunately.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2010, 7:35 pm

        They’ve already cut this trailer, so It’ll become a documentary without a doubt.

        What would you suggest for a title?  Ziofascism on the high seas?

      • hayate
        June 24, 2010, 8:25 pm

        “Israel Digs The Hole Deeper”

  2. Debonnaire
    June 24, 2010, 7:51 pm

    GOONS AHOY

  3. maximalistNarrative
    June 24, 2010, 8:10 pm

    The IHH cell beat the IDF commandos with metal bars, used handgun, and stabbings on these soldiers, even attempting to physicall rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos.

    Clear evidence has been shown worldwide of the IHH cell beating Israelis commandos as they descend. Armed only with paintball guns and holstered light arms, the commandos battled against scored of terrorist supporters, out for blood. As one activist put it, we will arrive in Gaza, or we will die as martyrs, as the head of IHH is shown on video extolling his followers to “throw the Jews off the ship”

    • Shingo
      June 24, 2010, 9:48 pm

      “The IHH cell beat the IDF commandos with metal bars, used handgun, and stabbings on these soldiers, even attempting to physicall rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos.”

      All of that has been debunked.  There were no handguns, and no one was stabbed.  The  IDF commandos illegally boarded the vessel in international waters and shot passengers before they even rappelled onto the boat. 

      “Clear evidence has been shown worldwide of the IHH cell beating Israelis commandos as they descend. ”

      After Israelis commandos had shot and killed passengers from the helicopter.

      “Armed only with paintball guns and holstered light arms, the commandos battled against scored of terrorist supporters, out for blood.”

      Also debunked.  The Israelis commandos shot and killed 9 passerngers and they didn’t do it with paintball guns.

      “As one activist put it, we will arrive in Gaza, or we will die as martyrs, as the head of IHH is shown on video extolling his followers to “throw the Jews off the ship””

      More BS.  No activist said that.

      Take your lies you fascist Zuonazi scum , back to your putrid Hasbara “The IHH cell beat the IDF commandos with metal bars, used handgun, and stabbings on these soldiers, even attempting to physicall rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos.”

      All of that has been debunked.  There were no handguns, and no one was stabbed.  The  IDF commandos illegally boarded the vessel in international waters and shot passengers before they even rappelled onto the boat. 

      “Clear evidence has been shown worldwide of the IHH cell beating Israelis commandos as they descend. ”

      After Israelis commandos had shot and killed passengers from the helicopter.

      “Armed only with paintball guns and holstered light arms, the commandos battled against scored of terrorist supporters, out for blood.”

      Also debunked.  The Israelis commandos shot and killed 9 passerngers and they didn’t do it with paintball guns.

      “As one activist put it, we will arrive in Gaza, or we will die as martyrs, as the head of IHH is shown on video extolling his followers to “throw the Jews off the ship””

      More BS.  No activist said that.mother ship.

      Take your lies back to your putrid Hasbara mother ship you Zionazi scum.

      • maximalistNarrative
        June 24, 2010, 9:55 pm

        Kevin O’Keefe admitted that the so called “activists” used violence on international television (BBC HardTalk) and he was on the ship.

        In any case what the world remembers is the very clear video evidence of the terror-activists using violence against the Commandos. You may argue that the entire sequence is faked on some movie studio ship with actors but you really won’t get far with that wild claim.

      • MarkF
        June 25, 2010, 11:10 am

        I believe his name is Ken. He disarmed Israeli commandos who attacked his ship in international waters, an illegal act by the Israelis.

        Now I would agree that there is evidence of activists throwing a heavily armed and trained commando overboard. I don’t think this elicits sympathy though since the commandos are highly trained and heavily armed.

        And of course Israel confiscated video and they did doctor audio so I would think in a programming sense that False+True=False.

      • Chu
        June 25, 2010, 11:50 am

        O’Keefe was the one who stripped the guns from the IDF landing on board the ship. He could’ve snapped their necks, but refrained from doing so. The IDF boys should be writing letters to O’Keefe thanking him for treating them with respect. They probablysoiled in their IDF pampers when their guns were taken from a US marine.

        The flotilla, be it brown or white, had every right to defend themselves in international waters, violent it may need to be. Israel could have performed this operation in plain day, but they chose to use sound grenades and drop their military atop the ship’s deck in the twilight. That would stir up a frenzy of any passengers. Not a convincing case that they came in peace, and more importantly Israel violated international waters.

      • Sumud
        June 25, 2010, 1:02 pm

        A really great radio interview w/ Ken O’Keefe, very comprehensive – 90 minutes:

        link to archive.org

        mN you need to break out of The Bubble if you seriously think the world accepts a Nighttime Commando Raid On Humanitarians In International Waters Killing 9 Injuring Scores More, but is bothered by a few soldiers w/ blood noses.

        The big question is what is Israel seeking to hide by systematically stealing all independent recordings of the raid, blocking the satellite feed and fighting tooth and nail to avoid an independent investigation? How about all that faked propaganda the MFA released?

        Like the Gaza Massacre, the Flotilla raid will be a slow burn event. No good can come from it for Israel.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 5:01 pm

        “Kevin O’Keefe admitted that the so called “activists” used violence on international television (BBC HardTalk) and he was on the ship.”

        False. O’Keefe stated that the passengers were commitedt o non vioence bit had no choice once the Israelis begam nurdering his brothers.

        “In any case what the world remembers is the very clear video evidence of the terror-activists using violence against the Commandos”

        Sadly for you, but the world doesn;t buy it, which is why every government except the US and Italy condemned adn stil condems Israel for the massacre.

      • Schwartzman
        June 25, 2010, 6:11 pm

        Shingo,

        The world does buy it Shingo, no one buys the fact that these soldiers were murdering people from helicopters. There is no proof of this. Why would the soldiers come down w/ non-lethal weapons if they had already killed someone. There are so many holes in your story its crazy. The non-violence thing is a farce, just like their main mission was for humanitarian purposed. The world, like always, sees right through the lies.

        Here is the interview with Rambo O’Keefe if anyone is interested.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 7:06 pm

        No the world doesn’t buy it, because Israel’s version of events has changed at least 3 times, and changed because their lies were repeatedly exposed. 

        “Why would the soldiers come down w/ non-lethal weapons if they had already killed someone.”

        You have really lost your marbles haven’t you? Of course the IDF thugs had lethal weapons . How did those 9 passengers die? 

        “The world, like always, sees right through the lies.”

        Which is why the entire EU and countries like Britain and Australia, who are Israeli allies, condense Israel for the massacre

        “Here is the interview with Rambo O’Keefe if anyone is interested.”

        That’s funny. In one sentence you dismiss the testimony if the passengers when you don’t like what they have to say, but then use the testimony if one of the passengers to make your argument.

        You’re every bit as deranged and unstuck as Israel itself.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 7:28 pm

        “Here is the interview with Rambo O’Keefe if anyone is interested”

        His testimony pretty much debunks the Israeli lies, so it’s anyone’s guess why you’d NM keep pointing out his testimony.

        Like ge said , the passengers resonate to their comrades bring murdered.

      • Schwartzman
        June 26, 2010, 12:49 am

        He is a liar, his testimony means nothing.

        He has all the motivation in the world to make up everything he said. Nobody has corroborated his accounts.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 1:11 am

        “He is a liar,  his testimony means nothing.”

        And you know this because the Israelis, who have changed their story 3 times (not to mention releasing fake footage, fake photographs and fake audio)  and are recycling bits of the first 2, say so?

        Right, so you might want to explain why you linked to his testimony, or are you simply losing your mind?

        “He has all the motivation in the world to make up everything he said.  Nobody has corroborated his accounts.”

        Except for all the other passengers on the boat, but hey, we’ll never know becasue the IDF stole the evidence. What we do know is that the passengers have been 100% consistent with what that are saying whereas the Israelis have changed their story 3 times (not to mention releasing fake footage, fake photographs and fake audio)  and are recycling bits of the first 2.

      • Sumud
        June 26, 2010, 12:25 pm

        “He is a liar, his testimony means nothing.”

        Do you also think he was going to the Gaza Strip to train Hamas militants? I defy any sane person to listen to that long interview I linked to, and then honestly tell me they believe he was heading to Gaza to train people in guerilla warfare.

        This ridiculous denialism the hasbara crowd are in can be quickly settled by Israel returning all the stolen video and photos and participating in an independent international investigation.

        You’re behind that right Schwartzman? Getting to the TRUTH of the matter?

      • lareineblanche
        June 26, 2010, 12:57 pm

        “You’re behind that right Schwartzman? Getting to the TRUTH of the matter?”

        Most definitely not (you know that, I think). From what I’ve seen from the hasbara crowd online recently (and I’m a novice), whether it be in the comments sections, or in the actual articles, it is enough for them to say something for it to be “true” – whether or not anything can be factually substantiated, or even well argued is totally irrelevant. This is a huge problem, because that means that any meaningful discussion is ultimately impossible, and basically leads to a relation of FORCE – he who yells loud enough or strings enough words together to drown out the other voices wins, that’s all. And if you provide them with enough facts to counter their arguments, it immediately shifts into a “you just hate Jews” refrain, which throws all rational discussion out the window, and it’s time to quit. It’s usually the same pattern. Pretty disturbing.

        I’ve been basically reduced to skipping over Witty’s and mN’s comments here, because I know that there will be nothing to gain from them, but at the same time I would like for them to actually participate in the discussions. Unfortunately, there is a difference between writing so many words and actually contributing to a conversation, and they don’t seem to see this because they have staked out their territory, and will not budge.

    • potsherd
      June 24, 2010, 9:57 pm

      Yep, that’s how terrorists prepare for an operation against armed commandos – they arm themselves with metal bars and kitchen knives. Poor witto commandos.

    • MRW
      June 24, 2010, 10:34 pm

      And you know this, how? You were there?

      Armed only with paintball guns and holstered light arms
      Video abounds on the net showing an Israeli soldier with a pump carbine unloading four shots into someone.

      Clear evidence? Israel confiscated all film and photos.

      “throw the Jews off the ship”
      You mean the doctored audio that Israel had to admit they faked? See Max Blumenthal’s site for that story.

      As a matter of fact, everybody, Max Blumenthal does a yeoman’s job of refuting Israeli and maximalistNarrative’s bullshit right here:
      link to maxblumenthal.com

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2010, 10:46 pm

        Nicely done MRW,

        The only ones with guns where the Israeli Dough Boys.

      • Shingo
        June 24, 2010, 10:50 pm

        BTW MRW , did you see this?

        Flotilla evokes post-traumatic stress in former soldiers
        link to ynetnews.com

        If the IDF are this lame and pathetic, then maybe Bibbi is right and Israel is in real danger.

      • Richard Parker
        June 25, 2010, 12:38 pm

        “….he reported that he did not receive any training on how to deal with such situations and their repercussions, one of which is that he has a hard time falling asleep at night. ”

        And this pathetic fellow wasn’t even involved in the attack.

      • Schwartzman
        June 25, 2010, 6:20 pm

        Israel never admitted they were faked, they simply put all the clips together. They released the full 10 minutes or so of the audio. You guys don’t give a crap about the facts on here? I see a pattern.

        Max Blumenthal is notorious for being a crooked ‘journalist.’ He has absolutely zero credibility outside of this bastion of hate you guys so lovingly call the Palestinian solidarity movement.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 7:26 pm

        Since when have Israel ever admitted to their lies?

        They denied doctoring the audio, then admitted it.

        Then they claimed the “go back to Auschwitz” statement was made by a passenger who wasn’t even on board the flotilla.  When that was pointed out, they claimed they mistakenly got teh audio confused with the audio from another vessel from 2006.

        Max Blumenthal is notorious for going where other journalists fear to tread and the Zionazis hate him becasue he’s got a knack for helpingf them open their mouitsh to change feet and becasue he’s Jewish, they can’t use the anti Semitism weapon.

        Blumenthal has plenty fo credibility and in any case, he exposes the truth.  That’s why he sends Zionfascists liek you bonkers.

      • azythos
        June 25, 2010, 7:37 pm

        Schwarzmann – “Max Blumenthal is notorious for being a crooked ‘journalist”
        “Israel” and Zionists in general are more tha notorious for 100 years of unrelenting black ops propaganda, lies, assassination, theft, crimes against peace, war crimes and much more.

        So now let’s see if he is as despicable a thing as his colleague maximalist, who cannot prove his libel. Lets see if he is going to bring clear proof, acceptable in court, for his accusation against Blumenthal, or by his silence acknowledge that he, Schwarzmann, has given up every kind of human self-respect.

      • potsherd
        June 25, 2010, 7:48 pm

        Max Blumenthal is notorious for being a crooked ‘journalist.’

        Translation from the Zionist: Max Blumenthal threatens the Zionist tower of lies, so they attempt to discredit him, as they do everyone who tells the inconvenient truths.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 7:49 pm

        Schwarzman’s simply resorting to bluster and bluff to avoid having to address the topic.

        I find it amusing that the Schwarzmanns of this world try to argue about journalistic credibility, when the MSM has become little more that a stenographic service for governments. Where was the jounslistic credibility when the WMD lies were being sold? It was reporters like Blumenthall that were questioning the narrative and it’s because of jounslists like Blumenthall that the readership of main steam news is tanking.

      • azythos
        June 26, 2010, 1:10 am

        So, Schwarzmann, are you gonna provide credible proof for your serious accusations against Mr. BLumenthal? It’s been a longish time since you were repeatedly challenged by several people and we don’t hear an answer, Dr. Goebbels.

        Either you produce proof, meaning serious evidence, the kind that would hold in a court of law in the normal world instead of just Nazi-style character assassination, or we can spit all over your despicable Zionist mug.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 1:19 am

        azythos,

        Go easy on Schwarzmann.  He’s probably been brainwashed throughout his life to believe that God chose him, and that the sun shines out of his ass, and never been questioned.

        Having to provide evidence of back up his argument with facts is probably an alien experience for him.

      • azythos
        June 26, 2010, 1:27 am

        Shingo – “Go easy on Schwarzmann. He’s probably been brainwashed”

        So what? Everybody has. He is presumably of age. No mental retardation defense: he can read and write. No insanity defense: he’s been told that what he is doing is wrong.

        So, is this proof coming,or what?

      • maximalistNarrative
        June 26, 2010, 11:23 am

        Schwartzman is right, Israel simply provided the unedited footage though it’s all authentic.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 9:18 pm

        Schwartzman never claimed that Israel nprovided the unedited footage.

        Another lie exposed.

      • Schwartzman
        June 26, 2010, 9:27 pm

        read what I said again Shingo, not sure if english is your native language or not. But there are different ways to say unedited.

        As for Blumenthal, he is a hack gonzo journalist. I know he is the anti-establishment’s savior, for whatever reason, but what has he done? He has released a crappy book which has sold probably less than 10k copies. He’s has put together some videos for pure propaganda (wouldn’t it be nice if he released HIS unedited video, to show what the majority of people think?).

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 9:44 pm

        I read what you wrote SM, and it’s BS no matter how many times you read it.  Perhaps you’re not used to you BS being scruitinized and being told it’s BS.

        Your diatribes about  Blumenthal are wothless.   You wouldn’t be able to discredit him if you tried, so you’re simply making broad ad hominems and expecting others to accept your fact bereft opinions.  It won’t wash here.

        Poor book sales are not evidence of journalistic integrity. 

        You obviously don’t like his videos because they cut close to the bone.

        You have no argument and no point. Your only option is to throw mud and make enough noise and hope someone’s paying attention. 

        You Hasbrats are seriously pathetic.

      • sherbrsi
        June 26, 2010, 9:57 pm

        Max Blumenthal is notorious for being a crooked ‘journalist.’

        Notorious among whom? He must be saying something right to strike a nerve with you Zionist Hasbara goons.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 10:09 pm

        I must say Schwartzman,

        It’s quite a feat of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance to accuse Blumenthall of propaganda, while your tribe refuses to release all the video and photo equipment and media they confiscated, not to mention releasing doctored audio, fake photographs and stories ghat have changed at least 3 times.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 10:47 pm

        Yes, notorious among notorious liars and Hasbarats, which cancels itself out being a double negative.

    • maximalistNarrative
      June 24, 2010, 11:10 pm

      I reported the above comment as it is a clear call to murder and should result in the banning of azythos for saying that IDF soldiers should be murdered and their innards ripped out.

      • azythos
        June 25, 2010, 7:41 pm

        They cerainly should, it is perfectly legal. Illeal blockade, illegal occupation, piracy, right to self-defense against piracy.

        My two recommendations to maximal bullshit:

        1. Remember that free speech is still the rule outside the Zio-Nazi bubble,

        2. Drop dead.

      • potsherd
        June 25, 2010, 7:49 pm

        Ship passengers have the right to defend themselves from piracy.

      • maximalistNarrative
        June 26, 2010, 11:20 am

        calls to disembowl soldiers is against the comments policy as are similar calls to commit murder

      • maximalistNarrative
        June 26, 2010, 11:21 am

        When will you enforce the comments policy even in the face of direct calls to vile murder and personal death threats? When?

      • Philip Weiss
        June 26, 2010, 11:33 am

        I deleted it

      • droog
        June 26, 2010, 11:44 am

        what is with this disembowling fantasy you are obsessing about,
        quote from MinFacts on June 24, 2010 at 8:10 pm , 3rd reply on the post, ” even attempting to physicall rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos.”
        please provide sources, evidence , or change your drug-regime whatever.

    • Avi
      June 25, 2010, 12:23 am

      as the head of IHH is shown on video extolling his followers to “throw the Jews off the ship”

      Are you sure you weren’t stoned, and in fact were watching Borat singing “Throw the Jew down the well”?

      • Chu
        June 25, 2010, 11:52 am

        “In my country there is problem, that problem is transport…”

      • Richard Parker
        June 25, 2010, 12:19 pm

        There is a clip somewhere of Bulent Yildirim giving a pep talk to a Muslim prayer assembly early in the voyage. He urges them to have courage and no fear, and in passing, says something like: “If we are attacked we will throw them in the sea”. Not, you might note, “to physicall [sic] rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos”.

        Sort of: “Onward, Christian Soldiers” really. Certainly a call for resistance, but in no way an incitement to murder.

        There were 350 Turks on board, mostly middle-aged men from small towns; probably all were apprehensive of what might happen when they entered Gazan territorial waters.

        They didn’t have to wait for that; the piracy happened on the high seas.

    • thankgodimatheist
      June 25, 2010, 2:11 am

      “the commandos battled against scored of terrorist supporters, ”
      You remind me of Robert Fisk on Israeli propaganda lexicon:

      “Following the latest in semantics on the news? Journalism and the Israeli government are in love again. It’s Islamic terror, Turkish terror, Hamas terror, Islamic Jihad terror, Hezbollah terror, activist terror, war on terror, Palestinian terror, Muslim terror, Iranian terror, Syrian terror, anti-Semitic terror…
      Yes, let’s be fair to the Israelis. Their lexicon goes like this: Terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror, terror.
      Robert Fisk:
      Fighting talk: The new propaganda
      link to independent.co.uk

    • Sumud
      June 25, 2010, 2:12 am

      How about Israel release all the stolen cameras, memory cards, video and audio and stops blocking an independent international investigation?

      About 35 different countries were represented on the Free Gaza flotilla and the attack took place on the high seas – it’s only right that an international investigation take place.

      Any intellectually honest person must ask what Israel is concealing in taking the actions it has during and after the flotilla.

      • Shingo
        June 25, 2010, 3:08 am

        “”Any intellectually honest person must ask what Israel is concealing in taking the actions it has during and after the flotilla.”

        Not to mention that:

        a) with all that video footage, all that audio and all those stills, they had to resort to producing fake audio, doctored audio and recycling old photos to sporting their version of events
        b) they are  begging the UN not to conduct an investigation
        c) as they did with the Goldstone Report, they are threatening Fatah against supporting any international and impartial investigation

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2010, 12:39 am

        There is a report that Israel is still holding the passport of a British journalist.

        link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk

        He has an Arabic-type, swarthy, unshaven, Jew-hating, fanatical Muslim suicide name (Jamal Elshayyal) so we can expect that passport to turn up eventually.

        Mossad will let us know.

      • Schwartzman
        June 26, 2010, 12:46 am

        Middle East Monitor, is about as believable as PressTV.

      • Shingo
        June 26, 2010, 1:01 am

        Middle East Monitor,  is about as believable as PressTV.”

        Translation:  Seeing as I can’t debate the facts. I’ll stick to flaming the messenger.

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2010, 1:14 am

        “The Israeli Government stole my passport.”

        From the man himself, on his blog

        link to blogs.aljazeera.net

        (Mentioned also on

        link to hamzajennings.com

        link to pacificfreepress.com)

        But of course, he’s just a lying A-rab.

    • Chaos4700
      June 25, 2010, 3:23 am

      “Throw the Jews off the ship?” Does that include the Jews who were actually living Jewish values and helping the convoy deliver aid to Gaza? The same Jews that the IDF brutalized, too?

  4. AM
    June 24, 2010, 10:14 pm

    Excellent. Got my preorder in for both hard and electronic copy.

  5. Sumud
    June 25, 2010, 2:06 am

    I don’t recognise all the contributors names but what an INCREDIBLE lineup!

  6. annie
    June 25, 2010, 3:02 am

    awesome contributors list at the end of that trailor! phil norm noam and roane carey too?!?! OMG roane has got to ne one of the most superduper brilliant wonderfulest best of the best.(disclosure, also on our gaza delegation) totally enchanting…i can’t wait. if only it didn’t involve murder. oh well. bring it on.

    • gingershot
      June 25, 2010, 10:40 am

      right – star studded-lineup of contributors –

      I really think the Gaza Flotialla has catalyzed the end of Israeli occupation of Palestine – the Gaza Flotilla is written in the pages of HISTORY

  7. Oscar
    June 25, 2010, 8:11 am

    Amazing. An instabook on the flotilla raid. Love the quote from leon W.

  8. Shmuel
    June 25, 2010, 11:57 am

    In the meantime, a spokeswoman of the Jewish community of Rome has taken a leaf out of Israel’s book. The Rome municipality (as well as national, regional and provincial governments) decided to sponsor an event in support of Gilad Shalit near the Colosseum, culminating in a blackout (at midnight, Israeli time) of the lights illuminating the Roman landmark. The Roman Network for Solidarity with Palestine organised a candlelit vigil at the Campidoglio, remembering the thousands of Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails. At a certain point, the vigil was attacked by a group of thugs waving Israeli flags – sending two pro-Palestinian activists to the hospital. The police separated the two groups, but made no arrests or attempts to identify the attackers. A spokeswoman for the Jewish community later accused the pro-Palestinian group of having attacked “families” returning from the Shalit rally, “with knives and chains”. Fortunately no one was killed last night, but the lies sound eerily familiar.

    • Citizen
      June 26, 2010, 6:18 am

      Meanwhile, Shmuel, last evening, Saturday night here in the USA, on the Hannity show on Fox Cable TV, a show with a large audience here, the breaking news scroll running beneath Hannity’s talking head announced that poor, lonely IDF lad, Gilad Shalit has been kept in dear deprivation for ages by the inhumane Palestinians–no context at all; specifically no mention of the thousands of Palestinian lads long imprisoned by Israel.
      This is typical. Imagine Goebbels nodding knowingly, looking like the Cabret host in the movie of that name.

      • Citizen
        June 26, 2010, 6:24 am

        PS: Shalit has been following the daily World Cup matches on the pro-Hamas al-Aqsa satellite channel, al-Resallah news reported. No report has surfaced regarding whether or not the thousands of Palestinians kids imprisoned by Israel have been watching the World Cup from their prision cells…

  9. Richard Parker
    June 25, 2010, 12:30 pm

    What has impressed me about the ‘Flotilla Incident’ is the sheer viciousness and self-pity of the Israeli response.
    The Orwellian conversion of resisting unarmed peace activists into “scores of terrorist supporters” and the early adoption of this false narrative by the US Congress bodes ill for the future of other convoys.

    • potsherd
      June 25, 2010, 7:52 pm

      The US Congress would adopt the narrative that the sun rises in the west if the Lobby ordered them to.

      • hayate
        June 25, 2010, 11:35 pm

        “The US Congress would adopt the narrative that the sun rises in the west if the Lobby ordered them to.”

        You mean they haven’t already?

    • Citizen
      June 26, 2010, 6:26 am

      Yep, RP; I noticed that Turkey has withdrawn its support for flying Turkey’s flag on follow-up blockade runners; the Turkish government now says it will aid Palestinians more indirectly.

  10. piotr
    June 26, 2010, 2:45 am

    Why is this night different from every other night?

    Because we will board a ship full of Turkish terrists (and Hawaiian terrists too).

    Wow! Sounds dangerous. Climbing up on a ship full of spooky terrist. How will you do it? Those bad terrists can club you on your heads!

    No problem. We will be jumping down, not climbing up.

    But what about the first few to jump. What if they get overpowered? And the bad terrist will become armed bad terrists?

    No problem. The first soldiers will have no real weapons, so even if overpowered, they will not give any to terrists.

    But how they will manage to do anything without weapons?

    No problem. We will give them paintball guns that look like real guns. Terrists will soil their underwear, so terrifyingly will painball guns look.

    Plus, even terrists know that if you are hit by the paint, you cannot move until the end of the game. So paintballs are even better than actual bullets.

    The Ashkenazi elite who designed the action was from Chelm. This is what IDF wants to hide from any investigation.

  11. droog
    June 26, 2010, 7:28 am

    MinimumFacts:
    “The IHH cell beat the IDF commandos with metal bars, used handgun, and stabbings on these soldiers, even attempting to physicall rip the innards out of one of the viciously stabbed commandos.
    Clear evidence has been shown worldwide of the IHH cell beating Israelis commandos as they descend. Armed only with paintball guns and holstered light arms, the commandos battled against scored of terrorist supporters, out for blood. As one activist put it, we will arrive in Gaza, or we will die as martyrs, as the head of IHH is shown on video extolling his followers to “throw the Jews off the ship””
    Schwartzman:
    ” no one buys the fact that these soldiers were murdering people from helicopters. There is no proof of this. Why would the soldiers come down w/ non-lethal weapons if they had already killed someone. There are so many holes in your story its crazy. The non-violence thing is a farce, just like their main mission was for humanitarian purposed. The world, like always, sees right through the lies.”

    From the conversations I’ve had recently in this part of the world, the bodycount and the basic premise of Israeli Special Forces vs Turkish activists on a Turkish ship frames the debate, and the broadest theme of opinion seems to me to be more of the usual, ” After what happened to them, you’d think they’d know better “. If anything it is the obvious lies which do the most deligitimation of both the hasbara narrative itself and the Zionist cause as robert Fowke pointed out in this article: Why this obsession with Israel and the Palestinians?
    link to guardian.co.uk

    Annie posted a link to this brilliant piece of military tactical analysis a while back which I think says more than all the reams of post-rationalisation currently being propagated:
    link to cnas.org 1.html

    When some of our navy were captured by the Iranians a while back, both sides managed to conduct themselves with enough decorum not to start shooting, not to turn an incident into an act of war. I remember, as well as the predicatable vitriol aimed at Armoured-dinnerjacket, the Iranian regime and those who cocked up and put our boat in a vulnerable position; the press particularly poured scorn on the naval rating who bleated on TV ” they took my ipod ” , the boy had to learn we expect a certain amount of stomach from our service personnel.
    We Brits are proud of our Army, we like to think we’re hard, we have a long history of proving it too, there is no way anyone could get a RN Marine, SBS or any other Solidier worth his salt to appear on TV and cry to the world about about getting a few knocks on an operation where they patently lost control of the situation and the initiative. Not unless you had a gun the head of their children maybe.
    These Elite Commandos are supposedly the best of best of the IDF and yet, Schwartzman and MinFacts, you drum the message home into the minds of the ROTW that they are incompetent and weak, why? The ROTW sees repeatedly the Israeli output that is played over and over again, of the military machine in action with super-troopers, helicopters and speedboats, just like in the movies; getting turned over by a bunch of activists, not like in the movies, and the relentless Hasbara constantly reinforces the message of self-proclaimed ‘super-solidiers’ who f**k it up and cry about it to the whole world. If the raid were carried out by say, a squad of Cheerleaders, I would have some sympathy with their injuries and the nature of the botch-up, only to be expected, but the Mavi Marmara raid was Shayetet 13, No?, this is the hard edge of the Iron Wall, the teeth of the Mad Dog and the hive lectures the world on how they failed, got hurt and blub about it. Why S and MN do you advertise failure and weakness, the Israel first and only crowd wouldn’t dare look here and I would have thought trying to appeal to fench-sitters with fundamental irrationality counter-productive. I cannot understand why those who spring to Israel’s defence in this known dive of the bourgeois-intelligencia, and make no attempt at a plausible defense, no ‘we cocked up but……’. Maybe it’s the old line ” A Lie is halfway round the world before the Truth has even got its boots on”. This book looks like a boot to me , in the ass-kickin contest of modern history , I’ll bet on the steel toe-cap boots of truth over the febrile and slippery lie any day.

  12. Cliff
    June 26, 2010, 11:48 am

    Phil, what was the original message?

    You do know that mN is just BSD under a different username, right?

    Do you think agent provocateurs and intentionally intellectually dishonest posters have a right to comment here? Isn’t that constant derailment of the discussion worse than a few F-bombs here and there?

    • Philip Weiss
      June 26, 2010, 12:04 pm

      its a good question, i have to mull it. my problem is that the anti-zs are here in force, they’re the chorus of this website, and i do want to have debate. maximalist while his views are offensive to me observes certain decorum. i always wonder if he cant be ignored.
      though yes, the repetition of cant answers to serious questions is annoying and derails discussion. i guess i could learn if they have the same isp. bsd and max

      • droog
        June 26, 2010, 12:27 pm

        Hi Philip, although debate would be great and maybe WJ or someone might have a go re: some facts. MN seems to me, to be projecting some bizarre mix of mental disfunction and the last scene of Braveheart, and then getting attention and distraction from the blowback.
        It looks like pipul without the subtlety, I don’t think he should be banned, I enjoy Zio-baiting it’s fun, and I enjoy reading many of the choice put downs although cliff has a point about the derailment. Is there a way of minimising comments ala haaretz or maybe having a sin-bin for comments.

  13. Cliff
    June 26, 2010, 11:54 am

    Why does mN care about the decorum of an anti-Zionist/post-Zionist/critical of Israel blog?

    Why?

    The guy couldn’t care less about murder or colonialism or religious fanaticism.

    He’s using those accusations (which are happily facilitated by idiots who can’t control themselves) to smear the blog and the cause entirely.

    How often does Phil regulate people based on what people are REALLY saying and doing (read between the lines people, this isn’t complicated and it’s not some Mossad scheme)? No, it’s just the superficial stuff. Who cares about cursing. Isn’t it worse to be an instigator? Doing so repeatedly?

    Misconstruing a person’s post to get a rise out of them or to attack their cause by association?

    It happens so often here.

    Phil, do you think an idea can be terrible and immoral but dressed up nicely? Would you moderate a post like that? No, of course not. No f-bombs, right?

  14. kapok
    June 26, 2010, 12:26 pm

    calls to disembowl soldiers is against the comments policy Damn straights! And I propose a further policy: Calls to implant fungal spores into innocent minds shall be condemned with extreme prejudice!

  15. kapok
    June 26, 2010, 12:43 pm

    Dear Hasbara invigilators(I know you’re out there), the quality of your paladins has suffered of late. I suggest you huddle with maxNat et al and encourage them not to embarrass themselves with such alacrity.

  16. droog
    June 28, 2010, 1:20 pm

    wanna score some, eh chap?
    know what I mean, nudge, nudge, wink, wink
    fresh hasbara, read it now before the Best Before date ( probably tommorrow, best imbibed fresh for full effect)
    link to terrorism-info.org.il
    This is an expose of the documents captured in the heroic action otherwise known as the memorial day massacre, although please don’t expect too much actual exposure of actual documents, no refunds.

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