‘Pigs for Palestine’

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Just look at this amazing post by Cecilie Surasky from a demo against the flotilla raid outside the San Francisco Jewish Community Federation the other day.

You will see a lot of Jews protesting Israel’s actions silently, and look at the response. It’s not considered, it’s fearful and angry and hateful. There are numerous threats against the demonstrators. There is the Animal Farm scream that is in my headline, repeated and repeated. As Max Blumenthal says, American Zionism is turning into a tea party. This is exactly like the screaming I noticed at our silent demo outside the Waldorf IDF fundraiser back in March. The fervent lobby has lost its solid rank and file. It is left with the fringe.

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  1. Avi
    June 8, 2010, 9:40 am

    “We’re going to find out where you live”.

    One positive thing can be said about Israel’s fanatic supporters, they’re good at making threats.

    I found the “Get a job” quip shouted by the Ziobots to be hilarious. Are they admitting that their job is to protest in favor of Israel? Or are they missing the irony of their calling on others to get a job, while they hang out on a side walk, trolling city streets with their pathetic lies?

    • demize
      June 8, 2010, 1:42 pm

      That’s a classic reactionary chestnut. Of course it makes no sense,as they are there too. But Fascism isn’t a rational ideology so reason can’t be used to counter it, and it won’t operate internally within the Fascist. I’d like to see something like the Red Brigade’s Squadristti that would protect people like this.

      • Shmuel
        June 8, 2010, 3:53 pm

        demize,

        The Squadristi were the Fascists, and the Red Brigades (“Brigatisti”) didn’t tend to hang around in public. The muscle at left-wing demos in Italy was generally provided by large “compagni” (comrades). I agree that some sort of quiet, cool-headed protection for these people would be a good idea.

        After last week’s Gaza-flotilla demonstration in Rome, a couple of people were attacked by thugs on motorbikes shouting “Viva Israele”. It’s an old squadrista (Fascist) tactic to wait until a demonstration disperses and attack a small group coming from the demo, rather than risk a fight against superior numbers.

      • demize
        June 8, 2010, 4:12 pm

        Shmuel, thanks for the correction. I was aware that the squadristi were the fascist “flying” brigades but I didn’t know the proper nomenclature. Squadristi means squadrons or squadron members? But in any event we do need some tough anti-zio muscle to add a little deterance.

      • demize
        June 8, 2010, 4:18 pm

        Also, I’m curious, do the Italian quasi-fascist and rightist parties like Lega Nord support the Zionists. I know that Betar was big in pre-war Italy.

      • Shmuel
        June 8, 2010, 4:26 pm

        The squadristi were members of Mussolini’s “squadre d’azione fasciste” (fascist action squads) – the original Black Shirts. Fascist violence in the post-war period has also been called “squadrismo”.

      • Shmuel
        June 8, 2010, 4:35 pm

        The Lega, which is mostly anti-immigrant (and particularly anti-Muslim) is moderately pro-Israel; the alliance between Berlsuconi’s Forza Italia and Fini’s Alleanza Nazionale (“post-fascists”) is extremely pro-Israel; further to the right (La Destra, Fiamma Tricolore) resents “kissing up” to Israel and “the Jews”, but doesn’t like Arabs very much either; and very far right groups, such as Roberto Fiore’s Forza Nuova are openly anti-Zionist (and anti-Semitic) and pro-Palestinian. Fiore went to meet with the Palestinian representative in Rome last week, in order to express “solidarity” – much to the chagrin of local pro-Palestinian activists who are mostly “compagni” (communists).

  2. joer
    June 8, 2010, 10:20 am

    Can’t those people be prosecuted for making those threats? And speaking of legal moves, can all those news agencies and Israeli spokesmen be sued for slander and libel for constantly saying that the flotilla victims are terrorists? I’m not sure what the law is, but I am pretty sure the case would be pretty strong because they are accusing specific individuals of being terrorists and aren’t making general statements like “all Arabs are terrorists”. If nothing else, it would shed some light on the mechanism of Zionist propaganda.

  3. Debonnaire
    June 8, 2010, 10:54 am

    These turds are capable of anything. There ought to be several armed participants at the next rally. The turds have no sense of self except as Jew victims. They’re on the verge of complete nervous breakdowns and WILL try to kill some activists the next time. Be Prepared.

  4. Chu
    June 8, 2010, 11:14 am

    “We will find out were you live and we’ll disrupt you social life?”

    Coming from a what looks like a washed-out member of the Village People, I am sure there shaking in their boots. Ask this guy if he agrees with segregationist policies of the US a few decades back and I am sure he’ll say ‘hell no’. He’s one of those ‘different’ hippies, with an indian necklace to reinforce his message of peace.

    • Mooser
      June 8, 2010, 4:48 pm

      “We will find out were you live and we’ll disrupt you social life?”

      That threat doesn’t scare me at all! Just you try it!

  5. Conrad
    June 8, 2010, 11:24 am

    link to telegraph.co.uk

    Israeli “don’t” have nothing on these killers. Birds of a feather flock together. The dragon flys.

    • potsherd
      June 8, 2010, 12:38 pm

      Reporting comment as spam

      • lysias
        June 8, 2010, 1:44 pm

        “You’re just as bad, or worse,” seems to be the argument that they are reduced to. Not that tu quoque ever won a court case.

      • lareineblanche
        June 8, 2010, 4:32 pm

        No, he’s written the same thing verbatim elsewhere. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.
        That being said, the article he’s linking is good to read.

  6. traintosiberia
    June 8, 2010, 12:08 pm

    The book “Israeli Peace and Palestininan Justice ” is replete with the description of the violent incidents directed against critics of the zionist activities in US. I will not dismiss threat of violence as an oddball disgruntled transient deranged expression of a enfeebled loser.

  7. traintosiberia
    June 8, 2010, 12:24 pm

    Caroline Glick can write in Wall Street Journal, appear on FOX and MSNBC.
    and be featrured on ‘Obsession:Radical Isalm war against the West” and can maintain the “satire site”. She is not the only one.
    Daniel Pipes can write so can Kruthhammer and appear on FOX.

  8. annie
    June 8, 2010, 2:19 pm

    i’ve been to many protests in the bay area, this is what they (israels gang)do here. on the anniversary of the gaza slaughter we were holding a vigil in union square, very beautiful w/prayers and many different members of our local religious community leading prayers, member of our native american community playing drums, it was very touching and special and we held candles and read the names of the dead, the children. the blue and whites were set up across the the street. they tried to get a permit to be inside the park but the cops wouldn’t let them. so they used their bullhorn the whole time screaming obscenities thru the gentle prayers. i will never forget that. we ignored them. there were 2 photographers amongst them that infiltrated our group and they were very obnoxiously getting right in the faces of the arab members of our community, taking head shots of them in what appeared to be an intimidating sort of way very pushy and right up in their faces just inches away. we kept asking them to leave and they wouldn’t. finally we requested the police to remove them. and their cohorts were shouting from across the street ‘we know who you are’ and stuff like that.

    when we crossed the golden gate the next day (or the next weekend i think) w/our banners and flags blowing in the wind and we spanned the whole length of the bridge (it appeared to me, for as far as i could see anyway) it was a gorgeous sunny day, the israeli supporter could not get a permit to be on the bridge the same day as us (thank you SF) so they hired a plane to circle above us all afternoon trailing a banner behind them for all the passengers on the bridge to see their plane in competition w/us. they are so predictable in their hostility. as we gathered at the lookout on the other side of the bridge they kept circling and circling. we’re used to them now. they like to scream at us.

    at the aipac conference we had lined both sides of the street w/our palestinian flags waving and the people driving by would honk and wave at us, the people on the bus were waving and raising their fist in solidarity, all the while these wackos were just screaming away at us w/their blue and white flags. but we had a microphone and paul was reading the names of the dead the whole time and people had to walk thru us to enter the conference hall. i was standing across the street opposite the entrance in front of the parking garage and they had to drive thru us in their expensive cars and then walk thru us w/their fur coats and designer shoes and we didn’t scream at them we just chanted free palestine over and over and over and i looked them right in the eyes. it was a beautiful winter night, very clear and the wind was blowing our very large palestinian flags in the night air, they were rippling in the wind looking quite glorious.

    • Mooser
      June 8, 2010, 4:56 pm

      “and they had to drive thru us in their expensive cars and then walk thru us w/their fur coats and designer shoes”

      Well, that’s how American Jewish Zionism supporters remind people of their persecutions. A fur coat? They caught a chill in the diaspora they never lost. Designer shoes? orthopedic designer shoes, specially made for wandering the desert for forty years (hmm, forty years…), Expensive cars? It’s a long way to Zion, and if a Mercedes was reliable enough for….

      • eGuard
        June 8, 2010, 5:09 pm

        Glad you’re back, M. Y’know, first days after the Someali LightblueBeard attack you were so … serious. We thought your account was compromised. And then there were all these hasbara rental trucks parked for 24h here in this street. Couldn’t see the sun for days, let alone at nights. Glad you’re back.

      • Mooser
        June 8, 2010, 5:59 pm

        I was very disturbed by the violence of the attack naturally. It was nice to be able to read about it at Mondoweiss, one step removed from the raw facts.
        And Jeez, what is there to say? Disgust with the events, disgust at the response both US and media, disgust with the hasbara. I’m just grateful the posters and commenters here had the stomach to follow the details (and of course the inevitable hasbara to be deconstructed) of the story, and I stayed informed.
        Of course, with off-shore drilling in the mediterranean ocean, Israel is poised for boom times, according to Julian. Why do I think I’ve heard that big-oil-bonanza-in-Israel story before?

  9. lysias
    June 8, 2010, 2:44 pm

    Liz Cheney can say it’s a “Turkish-Syrian-Iranian axis” and get her drivel published and appear on network TV the next day: Cheney daughter accuses Turkey of joining anti-Israel plot:

    Also in a written statement released earlier at the weekend, the Republican Cheney accused Democratic President Barack Obama of encouraging what she called the “Turkish-Syrian-Iranian axis.”

    “President Obama is contributing to the isolation of Israel, and sending a clear signal to the Turkish-Syrian-Iranian axis that their methods for ostracizing Israel will succeed, and will be met by no resistance from America,” she said.

  10. lareineblanche
    June 8, 2010, 4:24 pm

    “We’re going to find out where you live. We will disrupt you social life”
    Truly scary. This is the language of power. What is going on here?

    • sherbrsi
      June 8, 2010, 4:35 pm

      From the article:

      “Sharmuta!” this was chanted for a while (means “slut” or “whore” in Arabic and which was particularly shocking for Arabic speakers to hear)”

      “What is going on here?”

      The thuggish nature of Zionism is being unmasked. As differences between Israel and America appear, and as the mad dog state lashes out at its victims, its supporters similarly bark at and mindlessly threaten dissenters who refuse to toe the Hasbara line.

      • Shmuel
        June 8, 2010, 4:47 pm

        This is what the Women in Black have been enduring every Friday afternoon at Paris Square in Jerusalem, for over 20 years – sharmuta, zonah shel arafat (Arafat’s whore), traitor, etc. + spitting and threats. The sexism seems to be an integral part of this kind of violence.

      • lareineblanche
        June 8, 2010, 4:54 pm

        Women in Black
        That takes courage, then.

      • Shmuel
        June 8, 2010, 4:59 pm

        Women in Black and Machsom Watch – some of the bravest women you’ll ever meet.

      • lareineblanche
        June 8, 2010, 4:49 pm

        They’ve gotten so confident that they can yell out things like that, without feeling foolish. Serious stuff.

    • azythos
      June 8, 2010, 5:57 pm

      Not to be taken lightly!

      These guys have been sabotaging, poisoning, framing, kidnapping and blowing up all kinds of people in all kinds of countries for sixty years. People with good Aschkenazi names used to be exempt but no more. Also, here is one country in which they have absolutely nothing to fear from police or government. The database they keep is on their public hate Web sites. I bet that they’ll soon feel they have to act a couple of times for the intimidation to work.

      One good idea to start with is to publish these morons’ pictures. Also, paying attention to never disperse in small groups and keep filming everything, always.

  11. BDS now
    June 8, 2010, 5:47 pm

    Phil,

    You say “The fervent lobby has lost its solid rank and file. It is left with the fringe.”

    But is it not possible that some of the rank and file in this country has
    become fringe as their fears have multiplied. Reports say that is happening in Israel. Why not here as well?

    I am reminded of this quote from an excellent recent essay by Margaret Atwood — link to tinyurl.com — The Shadow over Israel:

    The Shadow is not the Palestinians. The Shadow is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, linked with Israeli’s own fears. The worse the Palestinians are treated in the name of those fears, the bigger the Shadow grows, and then the fears grow with them; and the justifications for the treatment multiply. [italics added]

    • Mooser
      June 8, 2010, 6:06 pm

      If you are saying that Israelis and Zionists are driving themselves nuts and they feel a lot of guilt, too, and creating enough cognitive dissonance to cover that guilt makes them even crazier, you may be right.
      So I guess the only way to cure the Israelis is to get rid of the Palestinians, huh, BDS now? That would make everything better!

      • BDS now
        June 8, 2010, 6:27 pm

        Mooser,

        A continuation of the “slow genocide” or a thoroughgoing “ethnic cleansing” would only make the fears of the responsible Zionists worse. That’s the clear implication of what Margaret Atwood wrote, is it not?

        If every last Palestinian was removed from Israel by either process, the Zionists responsible would fear every Arab and every Muslim on the planet even more than they do today. And hence their irrationality would be diminished even more than it is today.

      • BDS now
        June 8, 2010, 7:41 pm

        Oops, that final sentence above should have said “And hence their rationality would be diminished even more than it is today.”

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