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		<title>By: hophmi</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209894</link>
		<dc:creator>hophmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re calling ME a stalker?</description>
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		<title>By: lysias</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209892</link>
		<dc:creator>lysias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel &lt;I&gt;had&lt;/I&gt; an alliance with Turkey, until it recently chose to bust it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel <i>had</i> an alliance with Turkey, until it recently chose to bust it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Chu</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209882</link>
		<dc:creator>Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I also forgot my best friend is black...
I think that Israel is a issue that is not clearly addressed in this country by media outlets. Many people you speak with are clueless that their is an occupation taking place for 40 years. Israel could be the leader and take leadership in building separate states or 1 state. But they are focused on taking East Jerusalem. I believe the growing borders is the big problem if they want peace. You may say they are boxed in and the Arabs don&#039;t want to negotiate, but if Israel is to exist they need to form some alliance with it&#039;s neighboring states. Imagine the US had Mexico and Canada as hostile enemies. It may be time to try and come to terms with one enemy. I think you can see my point and the Palestinians are willing to negotiate terms. It may happen soon, it may happen never, but the fortress mentality of Israel in a foreign land has got to change for their behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I also forgot my best friend is black&#8230;<br />
I think that Israel is a issue that is not clearly addressed in this country by media outlets. Many people you speak with are clueless that their is an occupation taking place for 40 years. Israel could be the leader and take leadership in building separate states or 1 state. But they are focused on taking East Jerusalem. I believe the growing borders is the big problem if they want peace. You may say they are boxed in and the Arabs don&#8217;t want to negotiate, but if Israel is to exist they need to form some alliance with it&#8217;s neighboring states. Imagine the US had Mexico and Canada as hostile enemies. It may be time to try and come to terms with one enemy. I think you can see my point and the Palestinians are willing to negotiate terms. It may happen soon, it may happen never, but the fortress mentality of Israel in a foreign land has got to change for their behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209866</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is hophmi&#039;s twitter account:

http://twitter.com/hophmi

Damn, what a stalker. Check out the first and only tweet:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mondoweiss.net is inhabited by haters. Check out their response to the Helen Thomas scandal and read the comments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Everyone&#039;s antisemitic!

Run for the hills!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is hophmi&#8217;s twitter account:</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/hophmi">link to twitter.com</a></p>
<p>Damn, what a stalker. Check out the first and only tweet:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mondoweiss.net is inhabited by haters. Check out their response to the Helen Thomas scandal and read the comments.</p></blockquote>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s antisemitic!</p>
<p>Run for the hills!</p>
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		<title>By: hophmi</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209817</link>
		<dc:creator>hophmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of your best friends . . . 

I don&#039;t agree with you, Chu.  I don&#039;t speak based on political ambition or family ties; I have no family in Israel.  I don&#039;t believe Israel poses any real problem for the United States or anyone else.  And I never said that the relationship between the US and Israel is without problem.  

My religion matters only insofar as I have an interest in the travails of my co-religionists.  And even then, my arguments should be evaluated on the merits, not based on my religion.  

I believe that support of Israel is in the US interest, and that working to resolve Israel&#039;s conflict with the Arab world is in the US interest.  I don&#039;t believe it is greatly in the US interest to mollify the Arab world by abandoning Israel.  Israel has long been used as a wedge by Arab leaders to deflect criticism from their own societies.  

In the international context, I simply do not see Israel as a major issue for other countries to worry about.  This is small-scale conflict, with relatively few casualties.  Western interest in the issue is media-driven and history-driven.  It is not logic-driven.  If casualties were the issue, people would focus on Congo.  If human rights were the issue, people would focus on Darfur, Burma, or China.  

The obsession people display here is out of all proportion to the conflict itself.  That much is clear to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of your best friends . . . </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you, Chu.  I don&#8217;t speak based on political ambition or family ties; I have no family in Israel.  I don&#8217;t believe Israel poses any real problem for the United States or anyone else.  And I never said that the relationship between the US and Israel is without problem.  </p>
<p>My religion matters only insofar as I have an interest in the travails of my co-religionists.  And even then, my arguments should be evaluated on the merits, not based on my religion.  </p>
<p>I believe that support of Israel is in the US interest, and that working to resolve Israel&#8217;s conflict with the Arab world is in the US interest.  I don&#8217;t believe it is greatly in the US interest to mollify the Arab world by abandoning Israel.  Israel has long been used as a wedge by Arab leaders to deflect criticism from their own societies.  </p>
<p>In the international context, I simply do not see Israel as a major issue for other countries to worry about.  This is small-scale conflict, with relatively few casualties.  Western interest in the issue is media-driven and history-driven.  It is not logic-driven.  If casualties were the issue, people would focus on Congo.  If human rights were the issue, people would focus on Darfur, Burma, or China.  </p>
<p>The obsession people display here is out of all proportion to the conflict itself.  That much is clear to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I doubt you can prove a damn thing, other than that you’re jealous there are so many Jewish lawyers in the Ivy League schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, because this is what people do w/ their lives. They sit around and get jealous of Jewish lawyers in the Ivy League.

GET OVER YOURSELF

No one here thinks in this framework. 

You - of all people - throwing these accusations around means nothing.

I believe you also said Israel intended no violence on the MM because they could have simply blown it up.

You&#039;re so dishonest and shameless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I doubt you can prove a damn thing, other than that you’re jealous there are so many Jewish lawyers in the Ivy League schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, because this is what people do w/ their lives. They sit around and get jealous of Jewish lawyers in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>GET OVER YOURSELF</p>
<p>No one here thinks in this framework. </p>
<p>You &#8211; of all people &#8211; throwing these accusations around means nothing.</p>
<p>I believe you also said Israel intended no violence on the MM because they could have simply blown it up.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so dishonest and shameless.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209761</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, just people like those here. If being called a Jew-hater doesn’t injure you, it’s simply because it’s the truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re a narcissistic windbag. Completely deluded. Being called a Jew-hater by the likes of you is a badge of honor. If Schumel or Danaa or Avi genuinely thought I was antisemitic, then I&#039;d contemplate the nature of my political alignment - the why/when/etc.

But when a dishonest and hysterical Zionist, like you, flings that accusation around - I could care less. 

At one point, you said people were just jealous of Jewish lawyers. I think you directed that accusation at Danaa actually.

You reply to every single commentator here as if you know them well.

That&#039;s why your denunciations are meaningless and trite. 

Antisemitism is a framework of thinking. It is not a fact. A fact is not antisemitic. 

You have to conflate the action of an individual w/ his or her&#039;s &#039;identity&#039;. I have never done that.

All I said was that the ethno-religious variable matters - and it does. 

Being the total coward that you are - it&#039;s understandable that you&#039;d be so quick to call people bigots and antisemitic. You&#039;re like our very own Dershowitz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, just people like those here. If being called a Jew-hater doesn’t injure you, it’s simply because it’s the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re a narcissistic windbag. Completely deluded. Being called a Jew-hater by the likes of you is a badge of honor. If Schumel or Danaa or Avi genuinely thought I was antisemitic, then I&#8217;d contemplate the nature of my political alignment &#8211; the why/when/etc.</p>
<p>But when a dishonest and hysterical Zionist, like you, flings that accusation around &#8211; I could care less. </p>
<p>At one point, you said people were just jealous of Jewish lawyers. I think you directed that accusation at Danaa actually.</p>
<p>You reply to every single commentator here as if you know them well.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why your denunciations are meaningless and trite. </p>
<p>Antisemitism is a framework of thinking. It is not a fact. A fact is not antisemitic. </p>
<p>You have to conflate the action of an individual w/ his or her&#8217;s &#8216;identity&#8217;. I have never done that.</p>
<p>All I said was that the ethno-religious variable matters &#8211; and it does. </p>
<p>Being the total coward that you are &#8211; it&#8217;s understandable that you&#8217;d be so quick to call people bigots and antisemitic. You&#8217;re like our very own Dershowitz.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209757</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His domination of the comments section is remarkable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

lol, give me a break yonira (ZakariaKujuta@BG?) - but you were always quick to suck up to whatever new Zionist showed up here. Whether it was 3e, BSD, etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His domination of the comments section is remarkable.</p></blockquote>
<p>lol, give me a break yonira (ZakariaKujuta@BG?) &#8211; but you were always quick to suck up to whatever new Zionist showed up here. Whether it was 3e, BSD, etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chu</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209749</link>
		<dc:creator>Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hophmi &gt; Re Cliff post: Many of my friends are Jews and it doesn&#039;t explain my ignorance on the matter. Does that clear it up for you? 
What&#039;s puzzling to me is that you are young, likely an American citizen first, well educated, but do not see many of the inherent problems that that state of Israel imposes on the US state (perhaps you do, but your not willing to discuss them). 
Is political ambition a factor in your defense of Israel, as you clearly want people to know who you are and what arguments you are making. Are family ties in Israel a main factor and/or is it Jewish kinship? I wish I could better understand why you can&#039;t agree that there are real problems in the special relationship. You&#039;re relatively young and not a hardened old git, like Rich Witty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hophmi &gt; Re Cliff post: Many of my friends are Jews and it doesn&#8217;t explain my ignorance on the matter. Does that clear it up for you?<br />
What&#8217;s puzzling to me is that you are young, likely an American citizen first, well educated, but do not see many of the inherent problems that that state of Israel imposes on the US state (perhaps you do, but your not willing to discuss them).<br />
Is political ambition a factor in your defense of Israel, as you clearly want people to know who you are and what arguments you are making. Are family ties in Israel a main factor and/or is it Jewish kinship? I wish I could better understand why you can&#8217;t agree that there are real problems in the special relationship. You&#8217;re relatively young and not a hardened old git, like Rich Witty.</p>
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		<title>By: hophmi</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/religion-doesnt-matter-any-more.html/comment-page-1#comment-209727</link>
		<dc:creator>hophmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When “the best” you lot have impresses others as teenager dribble, what does that tell you?&quot;

It tells me that the the opinions of the &quot;others&quot; you speak of, who deal in ad hominem attacks rather than facts and arguments, are not worth a pitcher of warm piss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When “the best” you lot have impresses others as teenager dribble, what does that tell you?&#8221;</p>
<p>It tells me that the the opinions of the &#8220;others&#8221; you speak of, who deal in ad hominem attacks rather than facts and arguments, are not worth a pitcher of warm piss.</p>
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