I wonder how much the last bullet has to do with the all the others:
- The unending spy drama in Lebanon
- The farcical Hariri Tribunal
- Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah's 7/16 and 7/22 speeches
- The Sayyed's upcoming 8/3 speech (he is supposed to tell everyone everything they have found out about the spy ring?)
- Then, the day after the Sayyed's 7/22 speech, the Saudis announced they were flying to Lebanon
- Ahmadinejad was talking today about having proof that the U.S./Israel plan to attack two Middle Eastern countries in the next few months.
Iran and Lebanon or Iran and Gaza? Probably not Iran and Syria. Does everyone else feel pre-war uneasiness around here? The news these past few weeks has been particularly grim, aside from the more macabre everyday stuff that Israel does to the Palestinians, there has also been a not so subtle undercurrent of impending war. I wonder how big Israel will have to lose before they realize that they are never going to win against Hezbollah.
Unfortunately, too many Lebanese will die in the process of us finding out. But, certainly Israel knows that since they last foolishly waged war on Lebanon, Hezbollah has been amassing more self-defense weapons and getting more training. I don't think Israel cares. A victory to them doesn't have to mean anything more than a high civilian casualty rate.
In light of the “vessels” legislation approved during Shub’s tenure making it a legal obligation to support Israel in every way whenever Israel says it’s security is threatened, and the current congressionally approved boycot(s) of Iran and
the bill in congress right now to attack Iran by any means to secure Israel,
the future scenario seems pretty clear. The set-up has been in progress for quite awhile; the war voices are the same ones that got us into Iraq last time around.
US warships (and one Israeli ship) are massing near the Iranian coast: link to rawstory.com
Europe is going to drop us like an stone if we provoke a war with Iran.
That Raw Story report is from a month ago. Anybody got more current information on the location of those ships?
The US has always been massing ships in the area. This, in itself, isn’t a change.
Problem is, it’s not “in itself”.
The sad part is, war with Iran will pretty much be a death sentence for the US as a functional country. I’m not sure I’d trust Ahmedinejad when he claims to have that sort of evidence but… the claim isn’t exactly implausible. Then again, from what I read in the article, he’s claiming he has evidence of psychological warfare in Iran (which is almost certainly true) and he’s merely anticipating that the US will field a war on two more fronts.
I’d guess Iran and Lebanon, if that is the case, but Iran and Yemen are also a possibility. A somewhat stronger one than Iran and Syria, I’d say.
If Obama were actually interested in protecting the safety of US citizens, those two new fronts should actually be Saudi Arabia and Israel — two governments which actually are hostile to the existence of the US and what it stands for — not that there should be new two fronts at all. But that would be hoping for too much honesty from the White House.
Chaos,
why do you think the whole country of KSA is ‘hostile’?
would like your take.
“The sad part is, war with Iran will pretty much be a death sentence for the US as a functional country. ”
Yes, but what else do you think can happen before Americans effing get it? That joke of Obama is probably as pseudo “progressive” as this country is going to get without anything dramatic happening.
Who says the US is now a functional country?
Well it wasn’t briefly but now it is again–as per ADL website an hour ago:
Oliver Stone: Apology #2 to ADL
New York, NY, July 28, 2010 … In response to the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) statement saying his initial apology was insufficient, especially his comments about the power of the Jewish lobby, filmmaker Oliver Stone communicated directly with Abraham H. Foxman, the League’s National Director.
He said, “I do agree that it was wrong of me to say that Israel or the pro-Israel lobby is to blame for America’s flawed foreign policy. Of course that’s not true and I apologize that my inappropriately glib remark has played into that negative stereotype.”
Mr. Stone also added, “I want you to know that I am categorically opposed to anti-Semitism – and all other racist ideologies.”
Mr. Foxman welcomed the apology, saying, “I believe he now understands the issues and where he was wrong, and this puts an end to the matter.”
“Who says the US is now a functional country?”
Exactly. I attended a speech given by Niall Ferguson last night, and he pretty much stated that the empire has all but collapsed.
As many have suggested, starting wars is what countries in financial crisis often do, to stave off public reaction.
At some point, a backlash is going to come in the US. But it will probably be too late to save the country.
It’s in the air, yes.
Hezbollah has been amassing more self-defense weapons and getting more training
So has Israel. Special F15 and F16 with longer flight range capabilities, the German dolphin-class submarines (not all of them, apparently)… If they think about bombing Iranian targets and infrastructure, I’m sure they will have to think about Hizbollah rockets/missiles as well, so it’s not a done deal.
This needs to be stopped, and everybody needs to contact their representatives (sic), write letters, and try to bug as many people as possible to make them understand that we don’t want this insanity.
Incidentally, it appears that there are in fact US troops placed permanently in Israel (according to Paul Rogers), manning a radar facility related to an anti-missile system… ahem… who’s missiles is this supposed to ward off? ; listen starting from 13:30 :
link to antiwar.com
I don’t find myself surprised. The guy claiming to be a US vet who proudly served… in Israel… is something of an archetype I’ve run into among non-Jewish Zionists.
There’s 100 US troops in the Negev desert, manning a radar facility.
link to globalresearch.ca
Excerpt:
“U.S. European Command (EUCOM) has deployed to Israel a high-powered X-band radar and the supporting people and equipment needed for coordinated defense against Iranian missile attack, marking the first permanent U.S. military presence on Israeli soil.
MORE THAN A dozen aircraft were required to transport an AN/TPY-2 X-band radar to Israel. (U.S. Missile Defense Agency)”
link to defensenews.com
This was supposed to be part of a deal to keep Israel from attacking Iran, assurance that no Iranian missiles would get through in case of Iran attempting to defend itself.
So much for THAT bright idea.
Mere appeasement for a people with a bottomless appetite for war and destruction.
Re Hariri Tribunal – Fascinating.
In September 2001, before the 9/11 attacks, the Washington Times had an article (since “disappeared” from the website) on a paper from the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS):
“Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: “Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.”
And the Israelis gloat about it because they think they are so clever and fool everyone. They don’t fool anyone paying attention, of course, but the ones in a position to do anything are either bribed or fearful for their jobs.
Reminds me one thing from 9/11. Osama Bin Laden hasnt been warranted by FBI of attacks of 9/11.
link to fbi.gov
I know that where I live, America making war is intrinsically associated with economic prosperity. And this is a multi-generational belief, passed down in families.
Prussia would be proud. Hail our Hessian US troops.
Grandad fought in WW2 came home got job at shipyard, son goes into apprenticeship in yard out of high school and makes more than kids who went to college, grandson works for a contracter.
Great-grandson enlists, because he can’t find a job that pays a living wage.
vicious cycle…
We are currently leaving Iraq as a failed state, and once we leave Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Taliban will own the South, with India will move into the North. Meanwhile, we may attack both Iran and Lebanon in a joint effort, and after destroying their countries, Israel will direct us against India and Pakistan since they are the only ones left in the region that have any nuclear capabilities. We have shown beyond any reasonable doubt that we consider our youth disposable, so what’s another decade or two of war. Isn’t the plan that he who has the oil wins? We have made the UN ineffectual in the fact that the US can and will stop it from applying International Law to the Israelis. The EU is ramping up its rhetoric trying to squeeze Iran dry. I wonder what ever happened to the America I loved. I know the answer. Obama’s mia culpa after saying something about the Israeli settlements, and his failure to even acknowledge the death of a US citizen aboard the flotilla, shows that all he has left to do is plant the posterior kiss in front of the cameras this time, when he meets with BiBi. We have become Israels lackey, and they can sit back and watch as we throw our young men and women into another meatgrinder of war. Our media has happily depicted all Muslims as terrorists, rag heads, sub-human, just look at what Israel is allowed to do to the Palestinians, and what Wikileaks has shown what we are capable of doing to them also. And look at the results of our war efforts, for every Muslim killed, another will remember. And once again we will be shocked when another 9/11 happens, and we’ll ask ourselves why.
What are the Israelis doing flying helicopters in Romania? IDF begins identification of bodies at Romania crash site: Elite search teams achieve difficult landing in Carpathian Mountains, two days after helicopter crash that killed six Israeli and one Romanian aircrew.
From this, it sounds like they’re practicing flying long distances at low altitude in the mountains:
I hope that it’s Roumania sucking up to the American teat again.
However, it is possible that Roumania could be used as a jumping off point for an attack on Iran without passing through Turkish, Jordanian, Iraqi or Saudi Arabian airspace with Israeli planes flying east across the Black Sea and then across Georgia and Azerbaijan before turning south over the Caspian Sea and entering Iranian airspace. With the Israeli planes refueling over Georgia or Azerbaijan, they would not need drop tanks for targets around Tabriz and Tehran as the distance they would have to fly over enemy territory would be short. Any flying to Qom or Esfahan would probably need them.
Launching an attack with planes flying from Georgia or Azerbaijan would be too visible and would allow Iran to retaliate without involving NATO.
Roumania, on the other hand is now a member of the EU and NATO, so any response (real or imaginery) from Iran would result in a NATO response against Iran. Just what Tel Aviv wants.
The other advantage to routing an attack over Georgia and Azerbaijan is that damaged aircraft would not have to fly back to Roumania but could land in Georgia or Azerbaijan. During the “police incident” between Russia and Georgia, there were reports that Georgian airfields had been upgraded by the Israelis but the Russian ripped up the runways that had been upgraded. If the Russians or Turks have any sense, they will position a couple of anti-aircraft warships in the Black Sea to act as radar pickets to tip off the Iranians.
Practicing long distant flights with multiple crews suggests that they are preparing for a search and rescue task.
On the other hand, if Israel has any sense at all, it will not attack Iran.
excellent comment
braciole July 28, 2010 at 11:29 am
In my opinion, the whole point of the israeloamericans ordering sackofshite to invade South Ossetia (and Abkhazia was going to be next) in 2008 was to move the Russians further away and prevent them detecting incoming israeli aircraft using Georgia as a refueling point for their attack on Iran. I’m sure the Russians have pickets in the Black Sea looking for israeloamerican activity there, and would notify Iran of anything threatening.
The israelis could be planning on using Romania as the first leg of an attack on Iran. Refuel in Romania, then over to Georgia for a 2nd top up, run the attack, return to Georgia, then Romania, then back to israel. I’m sure the Russians would spot them crossing the Black sea, though, so it’s unlikely they would surprise the Iranians.The israelis wouldn’t be using helicopters, either. Those helicopters ops in Romania are probably part of Romanian-israeli-american military training. Both israel and the usa are doing to Romania what they did to Georgia, or trying to, anyway.
hayate, south ossetia is legally disputed territory. all countries which include internationally recognized disputed regions (not the same as occupied like palestine) are automatically disqualified from entering nato. that randy person was ratcheting up the nato speak when he was on georgia’s israel’s payroll. US/IS is trying to build a nato ring around russia, exactly what we agreed not to do when the soviet union broke up. i think the attack was timed (mc cain’s team)partly to get presidential statements or commitments from the candidates (to push obama) and to use as an election wedge issue but ultimately to legally pry russia’s jurisdiction away from south ossetia by way of a ceasefire agreement that altered russia’s jurisdiction wrt UN Security Council.
i rec the link for additional breakdown of negotiations including history of the ‘Sarkozy letter’.
russia is internationally recognized thru the UN as Abkhazia and South Ossetia’s ‘protectors’. that’s what they wanted to change and couldn’t. this part of braciole’s comment is key (my bold):
georgia’s israel’s payroll
‘georgia’ was suppossed to have a line going thru it but i guess the html tag wasn’t recognized. i meant that randy person from the ‘emergency israel’ kristol group.
annie
The stuff about the sarko letter looked familiar, so I looked it up. Here is a link to the material you posted. It’s a good analysis of those ziofascist/fascist shenanigans.
link to moonofalabama.org
The israelis would love to spark a war between nato and Iran, but would the Iranians attack Romania because israeli aircraft refueled there during an attack on Iran? Doubtful. Romania is around the same distance from Iran that israel is. Iran only has a limited inventory of weapons capable of reaching israel, if any – I’m not so sure they have anything that could effectively attack israel. Wasting these weapons on Romania would be pointless. And as you guys pointed out, it would bring nato into the conflict.
If refueling in Romania is now part of the attack plans, I think the main reason is because Turkey is definitely out of those plans now. Earlier, it had been planned to use Turkish air space to reach Georgia. Now with that out, the israelis need another route. Flying to Romania, refueling there, then on to Georgia can probably replace the previous Turkish overflight. I doubt israeli aircraft could reach Georgia by flying around Turkish air space without refueling along the way.
Anyway, I wasn’t disagreeing with braciole, but basically agreeing with what he/she wrote.
annie
RE: Georgian nato membership. They’re still trying for that. I should of worded my first post differently since getting Georgia part of nato was another possible reason for the invasion (I wrote it like there could only be on reason, but should havesaid there were several reasons the israloamericans attacked). Quite a boneheaded plan, though, in the way israeloamerican had their local idiot carry it out, when you think about it. Speaks of desperation on their part.
It could have been a 3rd reason they invaded, to get a response from Russia they could then use to isolate Russia from Europe (they had been drawing together). In some ways, they way they attacked almost was guaranteed to bring a strong Russian response, and certainly would fail to conquer South Ossetia on that account. Perhaps they were hoping for a Russian over-response – Russian occupation of Georgia. That would have certainly opened a few cans of worms. :D
I suspect the one thing they did not expect was the immediate rout of the Georgian forces. That cost them pretty dear.
It will most likely be Lebanon and Syria with the excuse being a “convoy of SCUD missiles being transported from Syria to Lebanon”. That there will be no real convoy won’t matter to the US Congress because those subservient lickspittles have repeatedly demonstrated by their fawning behaviour that they will believe anything, however ridiculous, that the Israeli government tells them.
I hope Cameron has the sense to say no to Washington/Tel Aviv when asked to provide cover in the UNSC for Israel’s war crimes as that cunt Blair did. Somehow, I doubt it.
“I hope Cameron has the sense to say no to Washington/Tel Aviv..”
It’s hopeless to expect politicians and statesmen (except for a rare few) to deviate much from the policies of the past 10 years…biggest example: Obama. Audacity of Hope, fitting name for a convoy that might remind him how far-flung peace is, now that he’s caved in to the Lobby. No, not the ‘Palestine Lobby’.
link to mondoweiss.net
I’m pinning my hopes (and dough) on grassroots movements/orgs to pressure politicians in these ‘freedom-loving’ countries.
Enough war in the Middle East. The effect of reading this misery day-in and day-out is depressing, let alone living it.
that spy drama in lebanon is intriguing. i don’t know how anyone could take those allegations seriously all resting on one phone call to a girlfriend w/the detective now dead and all the witnesses. it’s so far fetched i can’t believe it. Nasrallah is right to point out the UN team refused to ever consider israel. this assassination is being used as a gift that keeps on giving slogging thru time attaching itself to whoever whenever used to destabilize lebanon. i don’t doubt the phone system has been compromised. pinning this thing on one alleged call to a dead guys girlfriend is absurd.
I know Annie, I am soooooooooooooo looking forward to the Sayyed’ speech next Wednesday!
me too! i read every single word of the last two speeches. i’m totally enthralled. thank you so much for blogging this.
annie/seham,
would you kindly post links to those speeches? I might have missed them in previous posts.
Thanks.
link to vineyardsaker.blogspot.com
link to vineyardsaker.blogspot.com
After the Dubai fiasco, this prog on bbcR4 might be worth a listen, just to see whether it dares to be critical, and whether it reveals anthing new: “The Mossad”
link to bbc.co.uk
It’s on 3rd Aug, but you can get beeb online there, yes?
One already available on iplayer is “Hitlers Muslim Legions”
link to bbc.co.uk
which was interesting.
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People here might be interested in the following story from the UK
link to
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Here is the correct link. How the Zionist boss of the world’s biggest body armor maker got enough loot for a $10 million bat mitvah for his daughter.
link to afterdowningstreet.org