Comments on: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 19:53:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: gloopygal http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220219 gloopygal Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:58:25 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220219 Not that I'm one to belabor a point - OK I *am* one to belabor a point. I apologize, this might not have been the appropriate place to post my rant, but I needed to vent. Everytime I try to write something about Palestine on LJ I get shot down - my friends don't support me - and then I read Zio-friend's blog and his wanna-be Jewish-converting girlfriend and it really makes me physically sick. During Cast Lead these two people said disgusting things on Facebook and whenever I objected they ganged up on me. I can't link to the offending blog cause this guy is my so-called friend and it's bad netiquette and whatever I do to him he can do back to me, but I don't know, I needed to share with someone. I went ahead and <a href="http://gloopygal.livejournal.com/36390.html" rel="nofollow">linked</a> to this video and used stronger language than I normally do - just watch - the guy who posted the "disgusting" video will come after me in the comments section. His Indian-loving Palestinian-hating wanna-be gf won't comment because she doesn't read my journal any more but HE'LL say something, just you watch. Not that I’m one to belabor a point – OK I *am* one to belabor a point. I apologize, this might not have been the appropriate place to post my rant, but I needed to vent. Everytime I try to write something about Palestine on LJ I get shot down – my friends don’t support me – and then I read Zio-friend’s blog and his wanna-be Jewish-converting girlfriend and it really makes me physically sick. During Cast Lead these two people said disgusting things on Facebook and whenever I objected they ganged up on me. I can’t link to the offending blog cause this guy is my so-called friend and it’s bad netiquette and whatever I do to him he can do back to me, but I don’t know, I needed to share with someone. I went ahead and linked to this video and used stronger language than I normally do – just watch – the guy who posted the “disgusting” video will come after me in the comments section. His Indian-loving Palestinian-hating wanna-be gf won’t comment because she doesn’t read my journal any more but HE’LL say something, just you watch.

]]> By: Mooser http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220217 Mooser Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:48:47 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220217 Max, you really don't get this <i>hasbara</i> thing, do you? Which seems really weird, since you are supposed to be such a fervent Zionist. Yet you have a complete inability to know when either a respectful (Whew, for a second I thought I put "respectful" and "Zionist" in the same sentence, and would have to type the whole thing over) or a little strategic dissembling is required. Max, tell me, why do you, and many of the others Zionists, always place your own needs above helping Israel? Is the little bit of sick satisfaction you get from saying these things from behind a keyboard worth the damage you do to Israel's image? Why, it's almost like you're defending your own ego, not Zionism! That doesn't seem very smart, somehow. I mean gosh-a-roony, Max Narr, if each one of you Zionist shills is just an ego on the half shell, where is the unity, the strategy? Hey Max, I say the weirdest stuff you ever heard, don't I? Max, you really don’t get this hasbara thing, do you? Which seems really weird, since you are supposed to be such a fervent Zionist.
Yet you have a complete inability to know when either a respectful (Whew, for a second I thought I put “respectful” and “Zionist” in the same sentence, and would have to type the whole thing over) or a little strategic dissembling is required.
Max, tell me, why do you, and many of the others Zionists, always place your own needs above helping Israel? Is the little bit of sick satisfaction you get from saying these things from behind a keyboard worth the damage you do to Israel’s image? Why, it’s almost like you’re defending your own ego, not Zionism! That doesn’t seem very smart, somehow.

I mean gosh-a-roony, Max Narr, if each one of you Zionist shills is just an ego on the half shell, where is the unity, the strategy?

Hey Max, I say the weirdest stuff you ever heard, don’t I?

]]> By: Mooser http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220215 Mooser Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:37:06 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220215 "We are all settlers" Well then, maybe we get to atone a little, on Israel's behalf. Israel is very lucky that now that we have realised the error of our ways, that we have destroyed many peoples who may very well have something cultural or genetic or religious or anything else <i>that we will end up desperately needing</i>, we will help them avoid the same disastrous mistake. They should thank us. Ask yourself, would the people over whose bones you have settled rather you took their elimination as an example of the bad things that happen from "settling" and don't want to see happen again, or would they rather they were used as an excuse to let it keep on happening. That whole "we are all settlers" thing is really just inverse Panglossism. It's just saying that things must be for the best in this best of all possible worlds, and nothing else could have happened. It's bunk. Would you like it if somebody holding a gun to <i>your</i> head told you that since murders have been happening since time immemorial, it's just fine, or inevitable, or for the best that you get your head shot off? It's real easy to say<a href="http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html" rel="nofollow">(No.4) "The whole world Sucks"</a> when you are on the right end of the hose. It looks different when you are the one going through the beater-head and into the bag. “We are all settlers”

Well then, maybe we get to atone a little, on Israel’s behalf. Israel is very lucky that now that we have realised the error of our ways, that we have destroyed many peoples who may very well have something cultural or genetic or religious or anything else that we will end up desperately needing, we will help them avoid the same disastrous mistake. They should thank us.
Ask yourself, would the people over whose bones you have settled rather you took their elimination as an example of the bad things that happen from “settling” and don’t want to see happen again, or would they rather they were used as an excuse to let it keep on happening.

That whole “we are all settlers” thing is really just inverse Panglossism.
It’s just saying that things must be for the best in this best of all possible worlds, and nothing else could have happened. It’s bunk.
Would you like it if somebody holding a gun to your head told you that since murders have been happening since time immemorial, it’s just fine, or inevitable, or for the best that you get your head shot off?

It’s real easy to say(No.4) “The whole world Sucks” when you are on the right end of the hose. It looks different when you are the one going through the beater-head and into the bag.

]]> By: RoHa http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220213 RoHa Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:31:45 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220213 Mooser, did I spell "naiveity" correctly? And, yes, incredible though it may seem, some Gentile women do ...er... <i>it</i>. And some even do it again. Mooser, did I spell “naiveity” correctly?

And, yes, incredible though it may seem, some Gentile women do …er… it. And some even do it again.

]]> By: Mooser http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220211 Mooser Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:23:01 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220211 <i>"*Mooser told me all Jewish girls are virgins. Even the married ones."</i> Whoa! As far as I know, all women are virgins. And if they tell me different, I have a hard time believing them. I have two younger sisters, you know, and why would any woman be different from them, or my Mom? “*Mooser told me all Jewish girls are virgins. Even the married ones.”

Whoa! As far as I know, all women are virgins. And if they tell me different, I have a hard time believing them. I have two younger sisters, you know, and why would any woman be different from them, or my Mom?

]]> By: Avi http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220186 Avi Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:33:06 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220186 <blockquote cite="">Shmuel July 29, 2010 at 3:18 pm As I wrote, Avi, understanding the context is important. That’s not the same as saying the clip must be a fake.</blockquote> I think we're in agreement.

Shmuel July 29, 2010 at 3:18 pm

As I wrote, Avi, understanding the context is important. That’s not the same as saying the clip must be a fake.

I think we’re in agreement.

]]> By: Avi http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220185 Avi Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:30:52 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220185 I should add a slight correction to my post above. The distinctions between Bedouin, Arab and Druze in state issued ID cards were removed in 2003. That doesn't mean, however, that the state suddenly recognizes all three categories of minorities as belonging to one Palestinian community. I should add a slight correction to my post above. The distinctions between Bedouin, Arab and Druze in state issued ID cards were removed in 2003.

That doesn’t mean, however, that the state suddenly recognizes all three categories of minorities as belonging to one Palestinian community.

]]> By: eljay http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220180 eljay Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:16:57 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220180 >> I love ribbing fundies with this paradox: If God is love, then why didn’t he arrive with Uhauls and a map to the Palestinians own land of Milk and Honey? I mean if having Jews in the Holy Land is necessary for God’s Divine Plan, then is offering a relocation bonus to the natives too much to ask? The answer: "The Lord works in mysterious ways!" Ta-dah!! Boy, that was too easy! ;-) (http://rickpdx.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/tadah_jesus.jpg) >> I love ribbing fundies with this paradox: If God is love, then why didn’t he arrive with Uhauls and a map to the Palestinians own land of Milk and Honey? I mean if having Jews in the Holy Land is necessary for God’s Divine Plan, then is offering a relocation bonus to the natives too much to ask?

The answer: “The Lord works in mysterious ways!” Ta-dah!! Boy, that was too easy! ;-)

(link to rickpdx.files.wordpress.com

]]> By: MHughes976 http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220168 MHughes976 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:52:28 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220168 I believe that one of the motivations of William Foxwell Albright, who in the early C20 was so successful in persuading people to accept the 'substantial historicity' of the most militaristic version of Israelite history, was to draw parallels between Israelites and Americans, though I believe he had some sense and fear of eventual divine retribution. I believe that one of the motivations of William Foxwell Albright, who in the early C20 was so successful in persuading people to accept the ‘substantial historicity’ of the most militaristic version of Israelite history, was to draw parallels between Israelites and Americans, though I believe he had some sense and fear of eventual divine retribution.

]]> By: Shmuel http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-220162 Shmuel Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:08:41 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=23068#comment-220162 As Yiftachel points out (citing "critical legal geographers"), standard practice since Israel's establishment has been to defend Jewish ownership of illicitly-acquired land, by means of seemingly rational and neutral laws, policies and discourse. If the entire history and context of Jewish settlement in the OT (and all of Palestine for that matter) is ignored, the removal of Jewish settlers may be termed "ethnic cleansing", but it is precisely the context, the means by which the settlements were created that empty such a characterisation of all meaning. To compare the actual or advocated removal (or withdrawal of special privilege) of Jewish settlers in the OT to the demolition of the "unrecognised villages" and forced removal of their inhabitants is a grotesque manipulation and cheapening of concepts such as justice and human rights. As Yiftachel points out (citing “critical legal geographers”), standard practice since Israel’s establishment has been to defend Jewish ownership of illicitly-acquired land, by means of seemingly rational and neutral laws, policies and discourse.

If the entire history and context of Jewish settlement in the OT (and all of Palestine for that matter) is ignored, the removal of Jewish settlers may be termed “ethnic cleansing”, but it is precisely the context, the means by which the settlements were created that empty such a characterisation of all meaning. To compare the actual or advocated removal (or withdrawal of special privilege) of Jewish settlers in the OT to the demolition of the “unrecognised villages” and forced removal of their inhabitants is a grotesque manipulation and cheapening of concepts such as justice and human rights.

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