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  1. Kathleen
    September 13, 2010, 2:43 pm

    there we go with the debunked “destroy Israel” hooey being used again and again and again.

    If americans knew is a great place to get literature to hand out at your churches, Mosque, Synagogues, meetings, college campuses etc.

    link to ifamericansknew.org

  2. LanceThruster
    September 13, 2010, 4:09 pm

    I can sum what I consider Hillel’s intellectual sophistication by the experience I had as advisor to the student atheist group. I spoke with their campus sponsor about trying to bring Dr. Norman Finkelstein as part of a panel discussion on the I/P conflict with Hillel as one of the co-sponsors with a panelist of their choice.

    The entirety of his response in declining the proposal was, “Alan Dershowitz doesn’t like him.”

    A further bit of insight on this matter was that several years later, the group “Students for Justice in Palestine” was able to bring Dr. Finkelstein to campus to speak (twice so far), and that the complaint from Hillel and others was that the events would be terribly one-sided as they were not invited to provide a counter-argument.

    I pointed out how those were surely crocodile tears as they had previously been given every opportunity to participate and declined in no uncertain terms.

  3. Bumblebye
    September 13, 2010, 4:41 pm

    I will continue to “demonze” Occupation, oppression and apartheid policy. Since it’s happening in Israel, hard luck Israel.

  4. annie
    September 13, 2010, 5:39 pm

    somehow i don’t think the ‘palestinians are vampires’ narrative is going to sick. it’s this the new and improved ‘terrorist’ lingo?

    no, we aren’t supporting vampires. i back away from elaborating on my first impression which focused on who was living off the blood of others.

  5. annie
    September 13, 2010, 5:42 pm

    argh…i should take that advice i’ve been reading about checking my posts before sending. i meant it isn’t going to ‘stick’. and ‘i’ll back away’.

    • annie
      September 13, 2010, 5:47 pm

      sorry, i take that back. i meant profiting off others destruction. in my revulsion against the hillel guy’s vampire narrative i forgot there’s that ‘blood libel’ red flag. i stepped right into it. my mistake. whatever, the whole thing is gross.

  6. syvanen
    September 13, 2010, 7:20 pm

    In my youth such organizations such as Hillel and the ADL and even the local Temple carried very positive connotations. Today I equate them as partisan Zionist organizations working, if not directly but in effect, to suppress Palestinians. Can’t pinpoint the change, but it has occurred over the past 10 years.

  7. Keith
    September 13, 2010, 8:26 pm

    The thing which impressed me most is that this is yet another demonstration of Zionist organization and money, and how effective this can be as a means of indoctrination and social control of Jews into supporting Israel and the whole Zionist agenda. Two specific examples: Hillel President Wayne Firestone noting the trend for young Jews to disengage from Israel/Zionism and the hoped for effect of the “Birthright” trips to Israel to counter that, and the young woman who said that she felt that advocating for Israel was part of the Jewish experience. Hillel is but a part of the massive Zionist organizational structure. A structure which seeks to bind Jews together through support of Israel and Zionism, something which the Judaic religion is no longer capable of doing.

  8. VR
    September 13, 2010, 9:29 pm

    Very very weak advocacy for Israel, is this what we have to face? As much as one or two terse facts totally decimates their entire thrust. There is no doubt in my mind that the entire Zionist structure is beginning to crumble, all that is needed is a stiff wind to bring it down. Of course, I might be interpreting too much into this small window, but there is no doubt in my mind that as the generations pass by the Zionist influence will slowly die out – it cannot take reality.

    • Keith
      September 13, 2010, 11:27 pm

      VR- Have your one or two terse facts changed Richard Witty? This has nothing to do with rational argument. We are talking psychology, group identification, ideology and bonding. Emotional attachment. All ideologies are inherently irrational. There was nothing “rational” about the radical anti-Semitism of the Third Reich and the Holocaust.

      • VR
        September 15, 2010, 12:27 am

        Terse facts have to be backed up by action Keith, and all of us here are long on talk and short on action. What stopped the Third Reich? Does a similar methodology have to be used?

  9. AM
    September 13, 2010, 11:03 pm

    I find it interesting they keep suggesting ‘advocacy’. What a nice, vague, term to cover up what is going on.

    It is always a warm reassurance to me that ‘our side’ is really about revealing what is going on, and exposing the truth of the matter as opposed to hide beyond fuzzy terms, hoping that entertainment can distract what is happening.

  10. alec
    September 14, 2010, 1:03 am

    Nice find, Adam.

    Like AM, I’m struck by how Hillel and these young Jews are talking about information suppression and distorting a narrative in their own favour.

    No concern with fairness, egality, justice at all. Not yet out of university and cynical to the tips of their toes.

  11. Avi
    September 14, 2010, 5:53 am

    Because the children of Israel have done only evil from their youth.

    Alas, for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel, they shall fall.

    For they have committed fraud; A thief comes in; A band of robbers takes spoil outside.

    • RoHa
      September 14, 2010, 8:09 am

      Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea!

      Bunch of anti-Semites.

      And you too, Avi, for quoting them.

  12. marc b.
    September 14, 2010, 9:17 am

    besides being evidence that he is a bumbling, poorly spoken nincompoop, firestone’s vampire metaphor is evidence of the thoroughness of his indoctrination. given the past propaganda strength of the jew-as-parasite meme, that meme has been ham-handedly turned on muslims. take for example the recent movie ‘body of lies’. in one scene the master terrorist is filmed in the half light of a computer, fleshy lipped, scheming. you could have pulled this snapshot portrait directly out of ‘der sturmer’ it was so classically anti-semitic. but now the blood-lusting parasites are muslims. so this is progress.

    • RoHa
      September 14, 2010, 7:50 pm

      I must admit, though, I find the idea of Palestinian vampires terrorising Israelis rather cool.

      And since Peter Cushing is dead, there is no-one to stop them.

  13. Citizen
    September 15, 2010, 4:17 am

    The first lady babbling is upset as she doesn’t like the way Israel is being framed; she’s struggling as to how to handle this as for decades there’s only been one frame to the picture. Firestone calls his opponents “the bad guys” to his young jewish audience. Then (no longer before his young impressionable audience) he reconsiders; says he didn’t intend to divide the world (as in a simple melodrama); he struggles to find words, this honcho of Hillel, this benign school teacher a la Julius Streicher, and comes up with– the vampire analogy. Why when he was a kid, the vampire was evil personified but now the vampire is a romantic lover, an erotically attractive “bad boy.” Streicher would say Firestone is a good, a creative pupil. Firestone would get an A for his show. Getting harder and harder for these Zionists to sell their wares. The Kool-aide doesn’t work anymore. Those young ladies are the real romantics; everybody knows vampires don’t really eixist, but those young ladies interviewed believe in the “gorgeous” Israel Firestone sings of…

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