Maybe it should have been called ‘why Israel doesn’t care about traffic accidents’

on 78 Comments

The ADL is not happy with Time. They sent the magazine a letter today in response to its current cover article, "Why Israel Doesn’t Care About Peace." The gist of the article is that Israel is doing so well economically that affluent Israelis don’t really care about making peace with the Palestinians. The ADL finds this thesis (wait for it . . .) anti-Semitic. 

From the ADL press release:

In a letter to Managing Editor Richard Stengel, ADL called on the magazine’s editors to issue an apology to readers, both for the timing of the article and its calling up age-old anti-Semitic stereotypes about Jews and money.

The insidious subtext of Israeli Jews being obsessed with money echoes the age-old anti-Semitic falsehood that Jews care about money above any other interest, in this case achieving piece with the Palestinians,” wrote Mr. Foxman. “At the same time, Time ignores the very real sacrifices made by Israel and its people in the pursuit of peace and the efforts by successive Israeli governments of reconciliation.

Money aside, is there really a way to tell how much Israelis prioritize peace? Actually, I guess there is. Here’s a poll that was published in today’s Maariv:

Q. In your opinion, what are the most important subjects for the coming year?

Education—36%; the Iranian threat—13%; the war on corruption—12.7%; peace with the Palestinians—11.3%; traffic accidents—11.2%; dealing with poverty—7.9%

The poll by Teleseker questioned 500 people. The margin of error is 4.4 percent.

78 Responses

  1. potsherd
    September 8, 2010, 8:33 pm

    The Zionists who come around here are always saying the same thing – Israel is prospering and thriving, who needs peace? I guess they must be antisemites, too.

    • piotr
      September 8, 2010, 9:47 pm

      This brings another puzzle: of 11.3% of Israelis for whom peace with Palestinians is the most important issue, how many think it is important as a “to do” iterm, and how many think that this is “how to avoid” item. As we have seen, the issue of peace with Palestinians is the top issue for people like George Will, who channels Likud sentiments, and exactly in “how to avoid” terms. Given the size of Likud electorate, we can account for the entire 11.3%.

      For that matter, there is a substantial constituency that would like to get rid of “war on corruption”, including rabbis declaring that judges of SoI are unfit to be included in Jewish prayers. So for Shas voters the war on corruption is an important issue in “how to get rid of it” sense. This could easily account of the majority of the respective “12.%”.

      Iranian threat is interesting. The responses account for 92%, so all other threats, from all kinds of Arabs, delegitimizers and boycotters, Turkey, paradigm shift etc. can account for at most 8%.

      Education is clearly an important item. Why? For some, it is not Zionist enough (e.g. Im Tirzu). For some, it is too damn hard to segregate sufficiently pius children from less pius (who watch TV, are not Ashkenazi etc.). Some are alarmed with the percentage of dorm space given to Arab students. Some are alarmed by the scope and content of “Haredi education”. This is very ambigous item.

      • potsherd
        September 9, 2010, 7:48 am

        Israeli education is in the toilet for purely academic reasons. Test scores are abysmal. A piece in this week’s Haaretz says Isreali teachers are paid half what they get in the US. Teachers and education get no respect in that place, only force.

      • Chaos4700
        September 9, 2010, 8:53 am

        Which makes sense, when you think about it. How many dual-citizenship Israelis drop their kids off here for education, only to cart them off to Israel once they’re “ready” to devote themselves to the Zionist enterprise?

    • MRW
      September 9, 2010, 2:44 am

      What a brilliant cover. I love it. Especially after Dan Senor (media jack-in-the-box and keeper of the flame) bounced up and down on Morning Joe several mornings claiming Israel as the Start-up Nation, and how everyone in Israel was making scads of dough inventing everything from the cherry tomato and the cellphone and the US telecommunications system and probably the cosmic-clearance space program, and Israel had 44,000 Nobel prizes, yada-yada doncha know, aren’t we smart and rich and smarter than you, America. Remember that performance?

      So along comes Axe Foxman who has to pull out his Fiddler From The Top of the Roof of the World Look How We’re Being Demonized (OK 2010 “Delegitimized”) full weepy routine mit der untuned violin and lying wail.

      Foxman writes to Rick Stengel? And Tony Karon’s a senior editor there? And he’s accusing TIME of being anti-semitic with a piece datelined Jerusalem?

      This is rich. Think of the doctor and dentist offices this will be in for three months…past the midterm elections…all across America.

      • MRW
        September 9, 2010, 3:01 am

        I wonder if the Dominionists and Dispensationalists and the other ChristyZios are going to be disappointed, or ecstatic that can still pull off the Rapture if Israel doesn’t capitulate (seeing as how the ChristyZios been working overtime stateside for the last 10 years to make sure there is no peace in Palestine.)

      • MRW
        September 9, 2010, 7:21 am

        Anna Baltzer’s interview up at Pulse Media right now is the best rundown of I/P issues I’ve read in a long time. She’s being interviewed in Vermont about her perspective on the occupation and the current peace talks.
        link to

        Baltzer was the beauty queen on The Daily Show with Moustafa Barghouti for that ground-breaking interview with Jon Stewart.

        Dont miss this interview. It’s terrific, and a keeper.

      • pabelmont
        September 9, 2010, 7:56 am

        If Israel and Israelis generally are so well-off, then maybe — just maybe — they could afford, graciously and with a thought for their friends in America — to forgo the $3B/yr (or whatever the real number is, much higher I’d think with all the military research, etc.). If, being rich and all, they are nevertheless unwilling so to forgo, then maybe the age-old stereotype, when used today would appear to be rooted in reality?

  2. Donald
    September 8, 2010, 9:04 pm

    Here is Tom Friedman making this “anti-semitic” claim in the first paragraph of this column–


    (The rest of the column is pretty sickening in the usual Friedman style.)

    • MRW
      September 9, 2010, 2:14 am

      What a repellant disingenuous piece of dreck: Israel won three recent wars? Friedman has no shame.

      • Donald
        September 9, 2010, 9:47 am

        Yeah, even when Friedman is writing an ostensibly pro-peace column it’s usually crammed full of sickening statements. But it was funny to me that he was saying exactly what the “anti-semitic” Time writers were saying–Israelis are too comfortable right now to care about peace.

  3. RoHa
    September 8, 2010, 9:15 pm

    Do traffic accidents kill more Israelis than Palestinian resistance does?

    • bob
      September 8, 2010, 9:45 pm

      Let’s go Israel and the Palestinian territories
      Risha Kim Lee
      Page 44
      “More Israelis have been killed in car accidents than in all of the country’s wars combined.”

      • RoHa
        September 8, 2010, 10:33 pm

        Time they did something about the traffic accidents then, instead of wasting time on meetings with Palestinians.

    • Bumblebye
      September 8, 2010, 9:50 pm


      Might be somewhere here:

      link to


    • Sumud
      September 9, 2010, 2:04 am

      More than 400 Israelis are killed in road accidents each year (from memory the stat was ~425 in 2008).

      So yes, by a factor (in recent years) of many many times..

      Conversely, in recent years, more Palestinians are killed by Israel in maintaining the illegal occupation, than Israelis in road accidents..

  4. thankgodimatheist
    September 8, 2010, 9:24 pm

    This is huge..A Time cover is a game changer. I’ll tell you why IMHO , it’s so..
    I remember that in the 80s very few people where I was living, in France, could care about the environment and all issues related..We were mostly taken by the 80s hype, seeking great careers, money and more money. An Ecologist friend of mine was a lonely soul, subject to abject ridicule, referred to as ‘Baba’ for his incessant reminders of the futility of it all and how much all this hype was damaging to the environment..He was rejected and even despised (not by me, he was a very close friend)..
    Then one day an issue of Time magazine (that few people read BTW) appeared..Its cover was eloquent..An image of a battered and bruised Earth all covered with filth and oil spills, headed by an alarming title that I don’t remember exactly but was something along the line of ” A dump planet”..

    And that was it!

    Every single French magazine immediately followed in its steps as if it was a scoop..Each one had its own disaster cover..Every paper had it’s headline and story..All TV channels were taking about the Time cover, calling in to comment long forgotten experts, ecologists (Rene Dumont, for example)) and environmentalists..For months to come it was the main topic and issue to discuss and the opinions very quickly shifted as if a “new”
    battleground for the intelligentsia was discovered..and all opinion “makers” followed, the sheeple followed and my despised friend was discovered to be a likable dude after all let’s have him over for dinner..

    Now as far as the I/P issue is concerned, I’m not deluding myself and I know what the stakes are but if the word that Israel is not interested in peace spreads there’s no way stopping its implications..People will take it from there..Taboos will be lifted and that’s why Foxman rushes with his bucket of water. He knows a huge fire is set alight..

    • Psychopathic god
      September 9, 2010, 2:57 am

      wonder how many of this issue of Time magazine will be purged from hospital and doctor waiting rooms.

      skip the donation to political candidate.
      buy a stack of Time, spread ’em around . . .

  5. Chaos4700
    September 8, 2010, 9:30 pm

    “Noun, verb, anti-Semite.” I mean, really now.

    Incidentally, more Israelis die from drunk driving accidents nowadays than from Palestinian attacks. I’m still waiting to see Israel declare war on Napa Valley, or preemptively strike the Ford Motor Company.

    • Chu
      September 9, 2010, 8:00 am

      Another nail in the coffin for the ADL. They cannot continue with this perspective, as they are already seen as the mouthpiece for Israel. Also, the cover should have been a Jerusalem Tulip being watered with blood, and in the background is a giant bulldozer desecrating and plowing over the Mamilla Cemetery.

  6. Memphis
    September 8, 2010, 9:53 pm

    They spelt ‘piece’ wrong. Most have been hastly written

    • VR
      September 9, 2010, 1:43 am

      Yes, that is wrong Memphis – or is it?

      “…in this case achieving piece with the Palestinians…”

      They intend to achieve this “piece,” a piece of Palestinian land here, a piece of Palestinian land there. It is part of the “piece process,” could the use of the word be latent? It is similar to there understanding of the word “freeze,” freeze does not mean cessation of illegal settlement building, it means a mild slowdown. When we say “peace,” they think “piece.” Perhaps a bit much of a read into a typo, but I enjoyed it.

      • VR
        September 9, 2010, 1:44 am

        (see if you can find my typo in the above post…lol)

      • Memphis
        September 9, 2010, 5:32 pm

        It is a freudian slip is what you are saying

        I did notice you used ‘there’ instead of ‘their’

    • MRW
      September 9, 2010, 2:00 am


    • radii
      September 9, 2010, 4:54 am

      Foxman: “achieving piece with the Palestinians,”

      er, or Freudian slip … after all, zionists are all about grabbing a piece of land, and taking a piece out of their enemies

  7. Avi
    September 8, 2010, 10:28 pm

    I was speaking with several acquaintances back in Israel the other day and they asked my opinion about the “Peace Talks”. I didn’t reply but I asked what THEY thought. Some of them are thrilled, believing that it’s about time the Palestinians and Israel sat around the negotiations table. I explained that the problem is that Israel continues to build colonies, so anyone who pins hope in these alleged talks is quite naive.

    But, that doesn’t seem to be at the top of the Israeli media’s agenda, otherwise, every Israeli would have been aware of the impediment these colonies pose. Alas, the media, especially the TV media tends to focus on all kinds of security fluff aimed at distracting audiences from the core issue. Sound familiar?

    However, it was encouraging however to hear others say that it’s, “The same old song and dance.”

    Anyway, I’m glad the TIME has finally put up a cover like this one. Abe Foxman is extremely efficient and quick to condemn when Zionism is under scrutiny, isn’t he? It would be nice if hypocritical hacks like him could be less biased and abandon their bigotry.

  8. Taxi
    September 8, 2010, 10:51 pm

    Let’s see how long it takes before Time Mag caves in and does a cover of Natanyahu with a halo over his head.

    Cynicism aside, I think maybe thankgodimathiest has his finger right on the buzz-effect.

    Well it’s unusual food-for-thought for mainstream commuters who’ll be passing their regular newspaper stand in NYC, Chicago, etc, twice a day, seeing the headline displayed twice a day for some 4 or five days.

    • Sumud
      September 9, 2010, 2:22 am

      It’s a good cover, surprising – perhaps TIME are trying to regain some credibility after that blatant propaganda cover featuring the disfigured Afghani girl. I haven’t been past a newsagency lately but I’m wondering if TIME will run that cover their Australian edition. Media discussion of Palestine issues in Australia is far more impoverished than in the states.

      Taxi, you’ve reminded me of that old Roy Cohn Esquire cover from the late 60s:

      link to

      George Lois wrote about it:

      To illustrate a self-serving piece by Roy Cohn in which he rationalised his skullduggery as the demagogue Joe McCarthy’s favourite gofer in the 50s, I asked him to pose as the angel he thought he was.
      I made no bones about the photo: he was to be shown wearing a halo that was visibly pinned on, a self-applied halo.
      He posed for the shot and said as he was leaving the studio: “I suppose you’re going to pick the ugliest one.”
      “You bet.” I said. “I hate your guts.”
      For once in his life he was speechless.

      • Sumud
        September 9, 2010, 2:25 am

        Whoops, ‘blockquote cite’ html doesn’t work how I thought it would. After my first paragraph Taxi I meant to quote you:

        “Let’s see how long it takes before Time Mag caves in and does a cover of Natanyahu with a halo over his head.”

      • Taxi
        September 9, 2010, 7:40 am


        Thanks, Sumud, what a fantastic anecdote!

  9. American
    September 9, 2010, 12:19 am

    Why Israel doesn’t care about peace?…because they don’t have to
    The US congress sees to that.
    Guess which of these bills, all related to Israel had hundreds of co-sponsors and which had only 4 to 10 co sponsors out of all of congress?
    Hint…any bill that says peace or any bill calling for an investigation of the IDF killing unarmed Americans doesn’t have any co-sponsors in congress.
    Of course it could be that for some reason congress just didn’t like Rachel Corrie and Triston Anderson and really loves the rest of us Americans and would have a fit if you or I got a IDF tear gas cannister lobotomy or bulldozer crushing….but I doubt it.
    This folks…is our government….don’t it make you proud?

    Israel bills
    Below are the bills that are related to the “Israel” subject term. Click the Add Tracker button to the right to subscribe to this subject term.

    The following is a list of current pending legislation in Congress. These bills and resolutions have been proposed by Members of Congress but may not have had any action taken on them on their path to becoming law. In fact, the vast majority of proposed legislation never becomes law.

    Bill Status
    H.R. 2194: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2009 Enacted
    Jul 1, 2010
    S.Res. 548: A resolution to express the sense of the Senate that Israel has an undeniable right to self-defense, and to condemn the recent destabilizing actions by extremists aboard the ship Mavi Marmara. Passed Senate
    Jun 24, 2010
    S. 2799: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2009 Passed Senate
    Jan 28, 2010
    H.R. 3326: Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010 Enacted
    Dec 19, 2009
    H.R. 3288: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010 Enacted
    Dec 16, 2009
    H.Res. 867: Calling on the President and the Secretary of State to oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration of the “Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict” in multilateral fora. Passed House
    Nov 3, 2009 5:41 PM
    H.Res. 654: Honoring the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe Mediterranean Partners for Cooperation and for other purposes. Passed House
    Jul 22, 2009 5:06 PM
    H.R. 3081: Department of State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2010 Passed House
    Jul 9, 2009 7:49 PM
    S. 1434: Department of State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 2010 Reported by Committee
    Jul 9, 2009
    H.R. 2346: Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2009 Enacted
    Jun 24, 2009
    H.R. 2410: Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 2010 and 2011 Passed House
    Jun 10, 2009 6:49 PM
    H.Con.Res. 111: Recognizing the 61st anniversary of the independence of the State of Israel. Passed House
    May 4, 2009 7:14 PM
    H.Res. 282: Recognizing the 30th anniversary of the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. Passed House
    Mar 31, 2009 1:51 PM
    H.R. 1105: Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 Enacted
    Mar 11, 2009
    H.Res. 34: Recognizing Israel’s right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza, reaffirming the United States’ strong support for Israel, and supporting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Passed House
    Jan 9, 2009 1:40 PM
    S.Res. 10: A resolution recognizing the right of Israel to defend itself against attacks from Gaza and reaffirming the United States’ strong support for Israel in its battle with Hamas, and supporting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Passed Senate
    Jan 8, 2009
    H.Con.Res. 270: Calling on the United States Government to investigate the case of Tristan Anderson, a United States citizen from Oakland, California, who was critically injured in the West Bank village of Ni’lin on March 13, 2009, and expressing sympathy to Tristan Anderson and his family, friends, and loved ones during this trying time. Introduced
    Apr 28, 2010
    H.Con.Res. 260: Recognizing the 62nd anniversary of the independence of the State of Israel, and reaffirming unequivocal support for the alliance and friendship between the United States and Israel. Introduced
    Apr 13, 2010
    H.Res. 1241: Supporting the right of Israel to defend itself against terrorists and the Israeli construction of new security fences along the border of Egypt. Introduced
    Apr 13, 2010
    H.Res. 1191: Urging the expedient relocation of the United States Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Introduced
    Mar 18, 2010
    H.R. 4758: Secure Visas Act Introduced
    Mar 4, 2010
    S. 3077: A bill to authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of State to refuse or revoke visas to aliens if in the security or foreign policy interests of the United States, to require the Secretary of Homeland Security to review visa applications before adjudication, and to provide for the immediate dissemination of visa revocation information. Introduced
    Mar 4, 2010
    S. 2944: A bill to authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of State to refuse or revoke visas to aliens if in the security or foreign policy interests of the United States, to require the Secretary of Homeland Security to review all visa applications before adjudication, and to provide for the immediate dissemination of visa revocation information. Introduced
    Jan 21, 2010
    H.R. 4406: To render nationals of Israel eligible to enter the United States as nonimmigrant traders and investors. Introduced
    Dec 16, 2009
    H.R. 4046: To enhance the reporting requirements on the status of the Arab League trade boycott of Israel and other trade boycotts of Israel. Introduced
    Nov 6, 2009
    S. 2737: Jerusalem Embassy Relocation Act of 2009 Introduced
    Nov 5, 2009
    H.R. 3832: Peace Through Strength Act of 2009 Introduced
    Oct 15, 2009
    S. 1671: A bill to enhance the reporting requirements on the status of the Arab League trade boycott of Israel and other trade boycotts of Israel. Introduced
    Sep 15, 2009
    H.R. 3412: Jerusalem Embassy and Recognition Act of 2009 Introduced
    Jul 30, 2009
    H.R. 3231: Durban Taxpayer Refund Act of 2009 Introduced
    Jul 16, 2009
    H.R. 3160: Israel Foreign Assistance Appropriations Act, 2010 Introduced
    Jul 9, 2009
    H.Res. 557: Expressing support for the State of Israel’s inalienable right to defend itself in the face of an imminent nuclear or military threat from Iran, terrorist organizations, and the countries that harbor them. Introduced
    Jun 18, 2009
    H.Res. 511: Commending efforts to teach the history of both Israelis and Palestinians to students in Israel and the West Bank in order to foster mutual understanding, respect, and tolerance. Introduced
    Jun 4, 2009
    H.R. 2475: Foreign Relations Authorization and Reform Act, Fiscal Years 2010 and 2011 Introduced
    May 19, 2009
    H.R. 2376: To withhold United States funding from the United Nations Human Rights Council. Introduced
    May 12, 2009
    H.R. 1605: To seek the establishment of and contributions to an International Fund for Israeli-Palestinian Peace, and for other purposes. Introduced
    Mar 19, 2009
    H.Res. 130: Expressing support for the appointment of former Senator George Mitchell as Special Envoy for Middle East Peace, and for other purposes. Introduced
    Feb 4, 2009
    H.R. 696: Egyptian Counterterrorism and Political Reform Act Introduced
    Jan 26, 2009
    H.Res. 66: Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives concerning the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Introduced
    Jan 15, 2009
    H.R. 557: United Nations Transparency, Accountability, and Reform Act of 2009 Introduced
    Jan 15, 2009
    H.Res. 37: Condemning Hamas for the recent attacks against Israel. Introduced
    Jan 9, 2009
    H.Res. 42: Calling on the President and the Secretary of State to withhold United States funding for and participation in the Durban Review Conference and its preparatory activities, and for other purposes. Introduced
    Jan 9, 2009
    S.Res. 6: A resolution expressing solidarity with Israel in Israel’s defense against terrorism in the Gaza Strip. Introduced
    Jan 6, 2009

  10. American
    September 9, 2010, 1:20 am

    Seriously, you just can’t make this stuff up.
    The United States of Israel at work.

    [106th] H.CON.RES.131 : Condemning Palestinian efforts to revive the original Palestine partition plan of November 29, 1947, and condemning the United Nations Commission on Human Rights for its April 27, 1999, resolution endorsing Palestinian self-determination on the basis of the original Palestine partition plan.
    Sponsor: Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] (introduced 6/10/1999) Cosponsors (21)
    Committees: House International Relations
    Latest Major Action: 6/10/1999 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.

    36. S.CON.RES.36 : A concurrent resolution condemning Palestinian efforts to revive the original Palestine partition plan of November 29, 1947, and condemning the United Nations Commission on Human Rights for its April 27, 1999, resolution endorsing Palestinian self-determination on the basis of the original Palestine partition plan.
    Sponsor: Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] (introduced 5/27/1999) Cosponsors (16)
    Committees: Senate Foreign Relations; House International Relations
    Latest Major Action: 7/12/1999 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.

    [110th] H.RES.467 : Condemning the decision by the leadership of the University and College Union of the United Kingdom to support a boycott of Israeli academia.
    Sponsor: Rep Murphy, Patrick J. [PA-8] (introduced 6/6/2007) Cosponsors (70)
    Committees: House Foreign Affairs
    Latest Major Action: 7/11/2007 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 414 – 0, 2 Present (Roll no. 618

    [110th] H.CON.RES.21 : Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and United Nations Charter because of his calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.
    Sponsor: Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] (introduced 1/9/2007) Cosponsors (103)
    Committees: House Foreign Affairs; Senate Foreign Relations
    Latest Major Action: 6/21/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Received in the Senate and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

    [110th] H.CON.RES.194 : Expressing the sense of Congress regarding the failure of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority to properly implement education reforms aimed at reducing the cultural roots of terrorism.
    Sponsor: Rep King, Peter T. [NY-3] (introduced 7/26/2007) Cosponsors (4)
    Committees: House Foreign Affairs
    Latest Major Action: 7/26/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs

    [110th] H.R.2975 : To make unlawful the establishment or maintenance within the United States of an office of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
    Sponsor: Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] (introduced 7/10/2007) Cosponsors (None)
    Committees: House Foreign Affairs
    Latest Major Action: 7/10/2007 Referred to House committee

    [109th] H.AMDT.311 to H.R.2745 Amendment places limits on the United States contributions to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.
    Sponsor: Rep King, Steve [IA-5] (introduced 6/17/2005) Cosponsors (None)
    Latest Major Action: 6/17/2005 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the King (IA) amendment (A018) Agreed to by voice vote.

    [108th] H.CON.RES.311 : Expressing the sense of Congress that the international community should recognize the plight of Jewish refugees from Arab countries and that the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East should establish a program for resettling Palestinian refugees.
    Sponsor: Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [FL-18] (introduced 10/28/2003) Cosponsors (22)
    Committees: House International Relations
    Latest Major Action: 10/28/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.

    2. [108th] H.RES.294 : Condemning the terrorism inflicted on Israel since the Aqaba Summit and expressing solidarity with the Israeli people in their fight against terrorism.
    Sponsor: Rep Lantos, Tom [CA-12] (introduced 6/24/2003) Cosponsors (20)
    Committees: House International Relations
    Latest Major Action: 6/25/2003 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 399 – 5, 7 Present (Roll no. 317).

    [107th] S.RES.157 : A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Secretary of State should redesignate the Palestine Liberation Organization as a terrorist organization, and for other purposes.
    Sponsor: Sen Smith, Bob [NH] (introduced 8/3/2001) Cosponsors (None)
    Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
    Latest Major Action: 8/3/2001 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations

    [107th] S.2432 : A bill to prohibit the use of fiscal year 2003 Federal funds for support of the Palestinian Authority pending the cessation of terrorist activities by the Palestinian Authority.
    Sponsor: Sen Smith, Bob [NH] (introduced 5/1/2002) Cosponsors (None)
    Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
    Latest Major Action: 5/1/2002 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

    109th] S.RES.82 : A resolution urging the European Union to add Hezbollah to the European Union’s wide-ranging list of terrorist organizations.
    Sponsor: Sen Allen, George [VA] (introduced 3/15/2005) Cosponsors (15)
    Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
    Latest Major Action: 4/29/2005 Passed/agreed to in Senate. Status: Resolution agreed to in Senate without amendment and an amended preamble by Unanimous Consent

    And you really gotta love this one….

    H.CON.RES.329 — Expressing the sense of Congress that former Presidents and high-ranking political figures should refrain from freelance diplomacy against the wishes of the current Government and stated… (Introduced in House – IH)

    HCON 329 IH

    110th CONGRESS

    2d Session

    H. CON. RES. 329
    Expressing the sense of Congress that former Presidents and high-ranking political figures should refrain from freelance diplomacy against the wishes of the current Government and stated United States foreign policy.


    April 16, 2008
    Mr. SHUSTER submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs


    Expressing the sense of Congress that former Presidents and high-ranking political figures should refrain from freelance diplomacy against the wishes of the current Government and stated United States foreign policy.

    Whereas Hamas has been designated by the United States and Israel as a terrorist group, and has been instrumental in organizing and executing acts of terror against innocent Israeli civilians;

    Whereas the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs reported that since the beginning of the most recent wave of attacks by Palestinian terrorist groups against Israel, Hamas has executed over 52 suicide attacks that killed 288 Israelis and wounded 1,646;

    Whereas on March 6, 2008, eight students of the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva in Jerusalem were killed and 11 wounded when a terrorist gunman opened fire in the school’s library, where about 80 people were gathered;

    Whereas Hamas released a statement approving of the Yeshiva attack, stating that the group `blesses the [Jerusalem] operation [and] it will not be the last’;

    Whereas on Sunday, April 13, 2008, former President Jimmy Carter arrived in Israel for a nine day tour of the Middle East to investigate the current climate for future Israeli-Palestinian peace talks;

    Whereas President Carter traveled to the Middle East without portfolio, despite being urged by the current Administration not to engage in freelance peace talks;

    Whereas President Carter met with members of Hamas, including exiled leader Khalid Mashall, which contradicts stated United States policy on terrorist groups;

    Whereas unofficial visits by former Presidents and high-ranking political figures in areas as unstable and important as the Middle East have the inherent danger of miscommunicating United States policy, and create a false impression of United States foreign policy to the region’s population; and

    Whereas such actions could have a destabilizing effect on the region and the security of the United States: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That Congress–

    (1) expresses its solidarity with the State of Israel and its democratic Government;

    (2) continues its commitment to Israel’s sovereignty and the security of its people;

    (3) disapproves of former President Jimmy Carter’s freelance diplomatic efforts in the Middle East, which contradict the stated foreign policy position of the current Administration;

    (4) calls on President Carter to cease all diplomatic efforts with recognized terrorist groups;

    (5) condemns Hamas for its relentless support of terrorism and the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians; and

    (6) demands Hamas cease all terrorist and paramilitary operations, throw away the failed policy of aggression against Israel, and follow the path of diplomacy to bring peace to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    • Taxi
      September 9, 2010, 7:49 am

      Thanks, American.

      I appreciate your research, also on another thread, your list of the ‘undeclared’ billions in aid per year we give to israel.

      It is so outrageous and so shameful. We’re up to our necks in Palestinian blood, never mind just our hands.

      I’m depressed now.

      • Citizen
        September 9, 2010, 11:06 am

        Yeah, Taxi, I feel the same way. But Thanks, American. I’ve been over on the TIME article web site, reading the hundreds of comments–most of them are from Hasbara bots seems to me. I counter-commented to most of them for many hours and now I’m pooped. In some of my comments replying to the hasbara comments that recommended Israel First blogs or print media, I recommended, and among others, Ifamericansonlyknew, Counterpunch, and Antiwar. I suggest anyone with some free time go over there and do the same.

      • Citizen
        September 9, 2010, 11:10 am

        As Thankgodimatheist says above, making the TIME cover is huge; good chance to reach some TIME readers who normally don’t stray
        from the MSM via your comments on TIME online under that article.

      • Taxi
        September 9, 2010, 12:27 pm

        You are a tireless and most patient fighter for social and political justice. A fine citizen, Citizen.

        Yeah I think the Time Mag is bound to ruffle many millions of hasbara feathers. Well good and about frigging time!

    • Colin Murray
      September 9, 2010, 8:49 am

      I wonder in how much better economic, social, and political shape America would be in if our citizen-tax-paid Congressmen expended that much effort trying to wisely govern our country.

  11. wondering jew
    September 9, 2010, 2:04 am

    “Strange thing about the weather, everyone talks about it, but no one does anything about it.”
    Most Israelis are convinced that the impediment to peace is the Palestinian refusal to accept a Jewish state, that withdrawal would not result in peace but in more rocket attacks and that withdrawal would not suffice, but Palestinians will demand a right of return and turn Israel into an Arab majority country. Therefore there is no path to peace and there is nothing to talk about. So they’ve stopped talking about it and try to keep it out of their minds as much as they can. Instead of an earlier generation when it was one more dunam, one more cow, today it’s one more day of normalcy.

    • potsherd
      September 9, 2010, 7:57 am

      The problem is “normalcy.” As long as Israelis aren’t suffering, they won’t accept peace. In order to want peace, they have to suffer war.

      • wondering jew
        September 9, 2010, 9:45 am

        potsherd- The second intifadeh was a period of non normalcy, I assume you would accept that premise. And the reaction to that non normalcy was not “peace” as in the Geneva initiative, but rather “security” as in that provided by Ariel Sharon and operation Defensive Shield. When you say they must suffer war, you are talking about a war similar to the 1948 war when they lost 1% of their population, which was 6,000 back then and would be 70,000 today.

      • Chaos4700
        September 10, 2010, 12:24 am

        And how many Palestinians died in 1948? Why don’t you care!?

      • wondering jew
        September 10, 2010, 1:57 am

        I do care about all deaths caused by Israel. I care more about deaths of Israelis, but I do care about the deaths caused to the other side. I certainly don’t care “enough”.

        According to World Political Almanac, there were 15,000 Arabs killed by Israel in the 48 war, (using the statistics of the other sources which indicate that 5,000 Arab soldiers from the non Palestinian armies were killed it seems that) about10,000 Palestinians were killed including combatants and civilians.

    • Chaos4700
      September 9, 2010, 8:47 am

      What is wrong with Israel being an Arab majority country? That’s what it was before 1948, when you and your family wiped out the existing population and forced them into refugee status.

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2010, 12:40 am

        Compared with what came after – the British Mandate and Israel – the Ottoman Empire, with all its flaws, doesn’t seem so bad. Same with the Roman Empire. Maybe the idea of human progress is overrated.

      • wondering jew
        September 10, 2010, 2:02 am

        chaos- it is interesting that you use the term “you and your family” when you describe who “wiped out the existing population and forced them into refugee status”. I assume you are referring to the Jewish people living in I/P at the time as me and my family. The concept of “am”, the Jewish nation seems to have aspects of the tribe and the tribe seems to have aspects of extended family, so I suppose there may be validity to your phrase. Although it seems to me that you are trying to turn this into a personal vendetta of sorts, which is unseemly and certainly not conducive to a calm discussion, which ought to be a goal if not of yours then certainly of the moderators.

  12. Shmuel
    September 9, 2010, 2:29 am

    Any Zionist analyst worth his salt will tell you that the reason Israelis don’t “care” about peace is that the Palestinians/Arabs have disappointed them so many times. It’s not that they don’t care about peace per se (unlike members of all those other religions, we Jews pray* for peace umpteen times a day – I actually heard that one on Israeli radio last week); the poor dears have simply lost faith, and therefore prefer to focus on more hopeful issues like corruption and Iranian nukes.

    * Interestingly, no prayers for education, corruption, traffic accidents or poverty, and only minimal, vague mention of enemies in general (the word Iran is nowhere to be found). Must not be that important. Then again, the poor slobs who waste their time praying are not the “real” Israelis (minority peer group of foreign journalists) who are so busy making money and enjoying the good life that they have no time for anything else.

  13. yourstruly
    September 9, 2010, 2:33 am

    Who are Zionists to accuse us of being antisemic when it’s they themselves, on account of their their ongoing theft of the Palestinian’s birthright-homeland, who are stirring up this worldwide condemnation of the settlements that’s gotten them so anxious and distraught. And, yes, out of the Palestinian liberation struggle, actual antisemitism in the form of the anti-semite posing as an anti-Zionist. Said anti-semite is easy to spot, invariably working the same ridiculous age old stereotypes into their comments, almost leaping out these do from what, otherwise might be passed off as justice for Palestine prose. But since when does the presence of racist tagalongs derail a freedom train. Some would say that the Zionist settler-state Israel was meant to be a freedom train for the oppressed Jews of Eastern Europe, a train that unfortunately got derailed by Palestinian terrorism – If only the Palestinians would behave! Fact is, however, that the settlers (every Israeli Jew) occupy someone else’s land and the natives have been resisting since the settler-state got its get-go signal from the United Nations, sixty plus years ago. Which means the settler-state has been racist not only since it was established, but from its very conception, late 19th century, Central Europe, wealthy Jews with access to power who claim they’ve found a way to get Jews out of the frying pan of Eastern Europe’s murderous antisemitism. Turns out what they did instead was to bring somewhere around 10-15 percent of Eastern Europe’s pre-WW II Jewry to Palestine, where today they find themselves, that’s right, in what they fear is another existential crisis. This, even though it’s the Palestinian who is being confronted by what’s surely the existential crisis of them all; namely, genocide – now being imposed upon them by these very same settlers. So from the frying an into the pot, is that what Zionism’s founding fathers have wrought? What frauds! Antisemites, too, because who else but an antisemite would conceive of a plan that carries the risk of backfiring against the very people that this plan is supposed to save? Fortunately for these settlers there’s a way out of their dilemma. For starters they can recognize Palestine’s right to exist together with the Palestinian’s right of return. Next, assuming the Palestinian is willing, settler and Palestinian can sit down together for the purpose of working things out based on one equal one with liberty and justice* for all

    *including but not limited to investigations leading to the indictment and eventual conviction of those who have commited war crimes and/or crimes against humanity.

  14. sherbrsi
    September 9, 2010, 3:23 am

    The Time article is absolutely right. Even if one doesn’t agree with its conclusions, it’s hard to deny that the thesis is at the very least reasonable and defensible. The ADL’s response comes across as predictable and opportunist, as if Foxman monitors the media for terms like “Jews” and “money,” and wherefore they occur in the same article that isn’t line with the Zionist narrative of Israeli sacrifices and victim hood, he forges ahead with his own defamation charge.

    It’s high time that a mainstream publication acknowledged that there is little if any incentive for the Israeli to make any progress on the peace front, given its economic prosperity and general lack of concern towards the Palestinian. This is why BDS has the potential to be doubly effective in rousing Israel to action from its stalemate of unquestioned and never ending occupation and settlement policies, not only by challenging the long-held myth of Israeli generosity and peace consideration, but also communicating to Israel that the world citizenry is opposed to, and will not be complicit in, in its ongoing crimes against humanity.

    People vote with their wallets all the time. It is best that the message is conveyed through non-violent assertions of sanctions and boycotts (as in the struggle against apartheid SA), than Israel’s preferred method of militarism and raw aggression (as in the Gaza siege).

  15. aban
    September 9, 2010, 5:22 am

    Let me get this straight: Time says that people who do good business don’t care if there’s peace or war? Realtors who sell condos don’t care if tomorrow the town is attacked by rockets?

    Anti-semitic? Maybe Time is simply feeble-minded.

    • MRW
      September 9, 2010, 7:42 am

      No, that is not what TIME said, at all.

    • Chaos4700
      September 9, 2010, 8:50 am

      I think it speaks more to the fact that the rocket attacks are, quite obviously, over-hyped, and that overall, the Palestinians are far more committed to peace than Israelis.

      The death tolls certainly bear that out.

      And anyway, Israel is a country that was literally born in war. In fact, I would argue that Israel is war. It is the Nakba. There is no separating the two. You can see it in wondering jew’s own words, as he continues to insist that Israel has “every right” to displace the Arab majority by force of arms.

      • thankgodimatheist
        September 9, 2010, 6:12 pm

        “Israel is war. It is the Nakba.”

        Yes Chaos..Sums it up..Israel IS the nakbah. An institutionalised catastrophe made state.

    • Citizen
      September 9, 2010, 11:34 am

      There’s an online real estate broker website set up for moving to Israel North. You get $14,000 gratis and a host of Israeli government bennies besides. The Jerusalem Post also sends out advertisements for the Israeli Go North marketing campaign–one person who got it in her email pointed out that the map they show you does include the green line.

  16. Justice Please
    September 9, 2010, 5:49 am

    LOL the ADL must have a default text including “age old stereotypes” “canards” “anti-Semitic”. They just fill in the “who” and occasional the “why” if they are in the mood to baselessly attack somebody.

    If Martians attacked the Earth tomorrow, the ADL would issue a statement condemning the Martians as somehow anti-Semitic.

  17. Justice Please
    September 9, 2010, 5:57 am

    Let’s not forget that the economy is not the only reason Israelis are not very interested in peace:

    Some of them are religious lunatics who believe that “God” gave them all of the land which is currently inhabited by the Palestinians. They don’t want peace, they want more pieces of land.

    • Justice Please
      September 9, 2010, 6:32 am

      The great Avraham Burg in the witness stand:

      “True, we are not like Germany at the war’s end and at the height of the Final Solution. But we are somewhere very close to the first stages of humanistic and cultural Germany’s implosion on the face of Hitler and his henchmen, whose National Socialism shredded everything good and beautiful in what had been Germany. To my great sorrow and pain, I cannot always distinguish between the early Social Nationalism and some national theories of here and now.”

      Avraham Burg – The Holocaust is Over, S. 192

      • Antidote
        September 9, 2010, 11:16 am

        Here’s another great quote from a veteran of the 1948 war who participated in ethnic cleansing:

        “I declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it.” – Dov Yermiya

        link to

        Zionism, much like Nazism, has achieved the very opposite of what it set out to do: total defeat instead of world control for the Nazis, the least safe place for Jews to live for the Zionists, and a state that most effectively fuels anti-Semitism in the ME and beyond.

        Foxman is a fool. How many Americans are blind enough to believe that Jews/Israelis are any more interested in money, and more prone to economically induced complacency than the rest of us?

  18. eljay
    September 9, 2010, 6:57 am

    >> ” … Time ignores the very real sacrifices made by Israel and its people in the pursuit of peace and the efforts by successive Israeli governments of reconciliation.”

    Mr. Foxman ignores the very real and on-going incidents of oppression, theft, violence, hatred and ethnic cleansing made by Israel and its people in the pursuit of “the Promised Land” and the efforts by successive Israeli governments of injustice.

    Time: 1 / Foxman: 0

  19. Chu
    September 9, 2010, 7:04 am

    If the ADL has done good work in the past, the organization has suffered under the leadership of Foxman. Maybe Hophmi can enlighten me, but they are causing many to question their core commitment to fighting bigotry, as they rallied against the construction of a Sufi Mosque. Abe Foxman seems more concerned with ratcheting up the level of fear in American Jews to provide support for Israel’s criminal behavior.

    Now that Fareed Zacharia just relocated to Time, and gave back his 10k grant money from the ADL over there opposition to the mosque, ADL is likely bringing him under the microscope. Look for Fareed to come under some major scrutiny in the coming months.

  20. justicewillprevail
    September 9, 2010, 7:27 am

    Oh dear, Time are letting the cat out of the bag. Israel is not after all a poor little country, besieged and its very existence threatened. They aren’t eternal victims. It turns out they are doing very well, prospering with the unending guarantees of US tax dollars and gifts of the latest hi tech weaponry to defend their swimming pools. Peace? They have peace – they have erased the Palestinians off the map, locked them down in a stranglehold and neutered any claim to equal rights they have.
    But they don’t want the American public to know that – the featherbedding might be halted.
    And it portrays the ‘talks’ in a rather different light – as Time suggests, they have nothing to do with justice and reparations for the Palestinians, and everything to do with ensuring the ‘special relationship’ continues. Why, all they have to do is turn up for some photo ops, talk about ‘painful concessions’, ‘security’, Iran, the missile threat, yada yada, omitting the justness of the native people’s claims, and bingo! The American taxpayers are reassured about pluckly little Israel, and the financial tap stays open – and all that lovely prosperity – more than many Americans can hope for – carries on. While the US is dragged into more wars by their Likudnik war mongers, where no comfortable Israeli life will be in danger. Is that sound of laughing I hear from the poolsides of the settlements, those suburbs of Brooklyn?

  21. MRW
    September 9, 2010, 7:39 am

    American, you list the US govt resolutions. Here’s Anna Baltzer’s list of Israeli actions from the great interview I link to near the top of this thread.

    Myth 3: “Israel has no partner for peace.” On the contrary, Palestinians have no partner for peace. No Israeli offer has ever come close to fulfilling Palestinian human rights. Camp David II in 2000, often referred to as [former prime minister ] Ehud Barak’s “Generous Offer,” would have annexed 10% of the West Bank into Israel, including some of most fertile and water rich areas, home to 80,000 Palestinians. The 10% was spread around the West Bank, separating the “future Palestinian state” into an entire nonviable archipelago of isolated cantons, separating Palestinians from their land and each other. Finally, the proposal maintained Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem (and some control by Palestinians under that sovereignty) and ignored the human rights of the Palestinian refugees, who represent the vast majority of the Palestinian population.

    Offers by Palestinians and the Arab world including significant compromises have been consistently rebuffed by Israel:

    In the 1970s, the PLO endorsed a comprehensive peace plan with Israel in exchange for its full withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza. Israel rejected the offer.

    In 2002, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, along with 21 other members of the Arab League, proposed not only peace but normal relations and regional integration with Israel in exchange for an end to the occupation and a “just solution” to the issue of refugees. Israel rejected the offer. The Arab Peace Initiative was reiterated in 2007 and again refused.

    Hamas has repeatedly offered a 30-year ceasefire with Israel in exchange for an end to the occupation. Israel has dismissed this possibility and refused to talk to the elected Palestinian government on grounds that it refuses to renounce violence, recognize previous agreements, and recognize the existence of another people’s state in historic Palestine. Interestingly, Israel is guilt of all three of the very things for which it faults Hamas.

  22. Sumud
    September 9, 2010, 9:38 am

    No, I’ve changed my mind. It’s a weak cover. It is not brave.

    The text is strong, but shouldn’t they should have used tear gas canisters, or bullets, or little bulldozers (or piles of rubble), or olive tree stumps, or corpses – instead of flowers?

    Flowers just don’t capture the continuous violence Israel employs to maintain the occupation. Perhaps they could’ve used one of the many photos of settler graffiti in the West Bank that employ the Star of David and incendiary phrases like “death to arabs” and “arabs to the gas chambers”, or the satellite photography of the Star of David carved by IDF bulldozers into runway of what was (until Israel bombed it again, and again, and again) the EU-funded Gaza International Airport:

    link to

    Really, flowers are too generous.

    • eljay
      September 9, 2010, 9:54 am

      >> The text is strong, but shouldn’t they should have used tear gas canisters, or bullets, or little bulldozers (or piles of rubble), or olive tree stumps, or corpses – instead of flowers?

      Hmmm…maybe flowers crushed by tank treads, whose marks criss-cross the cover with impunity? What would Abe Foxman say?! ;-)

      • Kathleen
        September 9, 2010, 10:41 am

        good point

      • piotr
        September 9, 2010, 2:26 pm

        In Poland, counting daisy petals goes like that: “loves, likes, has a regard, doesn’t want, doesn’t care, jests” rather than “He Loves Me He Loves Me Not” (grammatical forms are for third person of either sex). So daisies would illustrate the scope of possibilities, and ambiguity. Perhaps in English they also suggest a frivolous attitude (if delicately so)?

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2010, 1:09 am

        piotr – correct, see:

        “The image on the cover of the September 13th issue is the Star of David made of gerbera daisies [1], which means cheerfulness. I discovered that by putting my cursor over the image of the cover [2], and it says so. So the message Time wanted to get out is that Israel is positively cheerful and doesn’t care about peace.”

        The rest of this article is not so enlightening:

        link to

    • RoHa
      September 10, 2010, 7:27 am

      I can see two possible reasons for the flowers. The first is, as Antidote mentions “Israel is cheerful”.

      The other is to make the cover seem cheerful and non-threatening, so as to reduce the shock of the words. Printing the story is brave enough. A cover that said “Israel is a state of heavily-armed murderous psychopaths” would be suicidal.

      The Time editors must be hunched in a bunker with their fingers crossed, waiting for the reaction.

      • Antidote
        September 10, 2010, 10:58 am

        “The Time editors must be hunched in a bunker with their fingers crossed, waiting for the reaction.”

        I read the comments on an article in Haaretz today, which discusses the Time article from the perspective of the ADL charge of anti-Semitism. The reaction was split between readers siding with Foxman or Time. Many pointed out that Time is right on the mark, even underestimating the moral and political shallowness and the hedonism and consumerism that characterizes especially young Israelis in and around Tel Aviv. ‘They make Americans look deep’, one reader summed up his impression after living there for 3 months. Max Blumenthal’s videos come to mind. The Time article, daisy cover and all, may be described as ‘Blumenthal lite’, perhaps?

        One Haaretz reader opined that the Obama admin. is behind the Time article – in preparation of blaming Israel for any failure of the present peace talks. Interesting thought. At the very least, the piece runs counter to Netanyahu et al harping on the Iranian threat and the coming Holocaust. Sure doesn’t look like Obama is eager to bomb Iran.

        Also: A few months ago, Haaretz ran an article on a poll according to which Israelis are among the happiest people in the world, right up there with the Canadians (who mostly complain about the weather). Didn’t make the news in the US at the time.

      • RoHa
        September 10, 2010, 9:25 pm

        That’s the Haaretz reaction. It’s the reaction in the U.S. that will blow their socks off.

  23. munro
    September 9, 2010, 10:26 am

    Evangelical Christians are told:
    “Thousands who survived the Holocaust are in great need of assistance…and food. ”
    link to

  24. Kathleen
    September 9, 2010, 10:40 am

    If Israel wanted peace they would have stopped building and expanding illegal settlements long ago. They do not want peace.

    Thanks to Time for telling the truth. Oh man they are going to catch hell and they knew it. Hope folks write them with support

    there is an email the editor at the bottom on the left
    link to

  25. Richard Witty
    September 9, 2010, 10:02 pm

    Similarly confusing poll results would occur when considering Palestinian public opinion.

    And, similarly confusing poll results occur when considering American public opinion say on Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Mexico, other issues.

    The world is NOT motivated by a dynamic philosophical movement in the world currently, that policies conform to.

    The period of 1968, and subsequent anti-Vietnam war demonstrations did include actual social movements that were enthusiastically inherent in a change of “paradigm” in the world.

    Literally, civil rights as embodied by the post-war real anti-colonial revolutions and evolutions (including India, South Asia, Middle East, Africa), and in the American and later South African civil rights movements, did lead a paradigm change.

    The Palestinian human rights movement does not offer that obvious leading edge of philosophical paradigm shift. It is occurring in a tidal backwash currently.

    The breakup of the Soviet Union and iron curtain was an outgoing tide. Single state advocates are part of the 40’s Yugoslav tide (unifying disparate communities into a single polity, but without the war hero and determined ideolog of Tito). Two state advocates are part of the 90’s Yugoslav tide (defining separate nations).

    There is not currently in either Palestinian nor Israeli communities the commitment to civilism over nationalism, to make a viable single state stick. The leaders of the movement are focusing on national assertion of human rights as its leading edge, more than the formation of actual civilist non-nationalist parties and sentiment.

    As the two-state solution is “doomed to fail”, the single-state solution is similarly.

    In fact, neither are doomed to fail, if the people that are promoting each do the actual work to make each viable, which is not yet happening anywhere.

    • Chaos4700
      September 10, 2010, 12:28 am

      You aren’t doing anything to make it happen, Witty. All you are doing is endorsing blatant violations of international law, human rights and common decency by your “precious jewel,” Israel, all the while condemning Palestinians to dwell in statelessness, poverty and insecurity so you and your son can take joy rides from East Jerusalem to Hebron.

      • Richard Witty
        September 10, 2010, 4:31 pm

        In writing to Ali Abunimeh, others to suggest that they form civilist parties, I am doing something.

        They are ultimately untrusting of even good advice that comes from Zionists, so they dismiss it.

      • Shingo
        September 10, 2010, 5:36 pm

        “They are ultimately untrusting of even good advice that comes from Zionists, so they dismiss it.”

        There is no good advice that comes from Zionists, so they are well advised to.

Leave a Reply