Bibi’s poodle

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Barack Obama, at Cairo University, June 4, 2009. Speech was titled “A New Beginning:”

At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s.  The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements.  (Applause.)  This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace.  It is time for these settlements to stop.  (Applause.)

AP tonight, Karin Laub reporting:

Israeli settlers have begun building new homes at an extraordinary pace since the government lifted its moratorium on West Bank housing starts — almost 550 in three weeks, more than four times faster than the last two years.

And many homes are going up in areas that under practically any peace scenario would become part of a Palestinian state, a trend that could doom U.S.-brokered peace talks

Politico’s Laura Rozen reports:

“They’re really upset,” one Washington Middle East hand in close contact with administration officials said Tuesday. “At the end of the day, they made this incredibly good faith effort to keep Bibi at the table.” And Bibi proved as yet unwilling to budge.

“’We put our asses on the line,’” the sense of dismay among the U.S. Middle East team at Netanyahu’s rejection of the U.S. package was described. “’We worked with your defense minister and gave you this amazing deal, all the cover you needed to extend the freeze. And you not only rejected it, but put forward a counterproposal [demanding Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state] pandering to the right and a stalling tactic.’”

88 Responses

  1. DICKERSON3870
    October 20, 2010, 8:22 pm

    “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” ~ David Farragut, Battle of Mobile Bay, August 5, 1864
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    • DICKERSON3870
      October 20, 2010, 9:30 pm

      P.S. FROM ELLIOTT ABRAMS, 04/08/09:

      …Is current and recent settlement construction creating insurmountable barriers to peace? A simple test shows that it is not. Ten years ago, in the Camp David talks, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat approximately 94 percent of the West Bank, with a land swap to make up half of the 6 percent Israel would keep. According to news reports, just three months ago, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered 93 percent, with a one-to-one land swap. In the end, under the January 2009 offer, Palestinians would have received an area equal to 98 to 98.5 percent of the West Bank (depending on which press report you read), while 10 years ago they were offered 97 percent. Ten years of settlement activity would have resulted in a larger area for the Palestinian state…
      SOURCE – link to

      MY COMMENT: So the ‘Abrams Principle’ stands for the proposition that more settlement activity results in a larger area for the Palestinian state. That’s why I say, “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” so as to result in the largest Palestinian state possible (from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River)! “Let justice be done.”

      • annie
        October 20, 2010, 9:57 pm

        ah, mr. peace thru civil war abrams.

    • annie
      October 20, 2010, 9:54 pm

      what do you think of the twisting in the wind set up by israel for all our congress critters to be caught in the crunch between obama and bibi given israel plan last winter to begin the massive settlement buildup right before the election (otherwise commonly known as ‘end of the freeze’) knowing damn well everyone would have to shut the f up about it for a whole month? fun huh?

      what are friends for . heart. makes it all warm and fuzzy inside having friends like these doesn’t it. thank goodness were not having special friendships like this w/france and germany. what a bore that would be. lobbies lobbies lobbies, aren’t we lucky. it’s almost like having an addiction to a disease.

  2. Richard Witty
    October 20, 2010, 8:41 pm

    Its an offensive headline.

    • kalithea
      October 20, 2010, 8:57 pm

      Which, the poodle or Bibi?

      • Donald
        October 20, 2010, 9:17 pm

        From the politico article–

        “After November, the administration might consider putting “out American ideas, either to close the process down until the two sides are ready to accept them, or one side accepts and the other doesn’t, putting pressure on the declining side to come round,” Miller said.

        Such U.S. mediation, designed to produce “a horizon” on core issues such as borders, security, Jerusalem and refugees, could either “shut the game down until the locals are ready to play seriously,” Miller said, “or gin it up.” ”

        Of course in the long run this means that if the Israelis do get a more “centrist” leader the Palestinians will be the ones feeling the pressure. There will be no sympathy for them in mainstream US political circles if that happens. There wouldn’t be anonymous officials expressing “dismay”–there will be front page denunciations of the Palestinians for not being serious about “peace” (meaning an unwillingness to do as the US demands).

      • kalithea
        October 20, 2010, 9:31 pm

        True, but thank God we can count on Israelis being their own worst enemy and screwing up by voting in a more rightist government next time around! (If you can stomach going to this site, click on link):

        link to

        I’m counting on Israel repeatedly embarrassing and undermining the U.S. until Americans wake up to find Israel running this country, after all it’s already being led by the nose, how far can that outcome be?

      • Sumud
        October 20, 2010, 9:42 pm

        Offensive to poodles.

        Obama needs to flex some American muscle. Unleash the CIA (who reportedly hate Israel) and start prosecuting all those AIPAC espionage cases. Turn off the money spigot. And get on the box and tell Americans why he’s doing what he’s doing. He can sell an idea if he believes it’s the right thing to do, I think.

      • annie
        October 20, 2010, 9:59 pm

        american muscles turn to atrophy when israel walks in the room.

      • Saleema
        October 20, 2010, 11:25 pm

        I think the poodle is offended.
        Why do Israelis raise their politicians to the level of prophets? I see Jews make Moses (and Jesus) (peace be upon them) jokes all the time but God forbid you can say anything about their political shits.

      • Shmuel
        October 21, 2010, 12:54 am
      • Saleema
        October 21, 2010, 1:12 am

        Never mind, I take what I said back.

      • Antidote
        October 21, 2010, 7:28 pm

        strange how Bibi the prophet is blind to the effects of bombing the Gaza tunnels

    • maximalistNarrative
      October 20, 2010, 8:58 pm

      I agree with Richard Witty. I think Richard is the most balance and sane voice on this website and he doesn’t deserve all the abuse heaped on him.

    • Bumblebye
      October 20, 2010, 9:02 pm

      Is that all you read?

      What about mN? Don’t you find him offensive, prancing about the site, gloating about all the atrocities? Somebody like him proves all our contentions that Zionism = racism, fascism, etc. The only place its ever been romantic or decent is inside some peoples heads. Never ever on the ground and in practice.

      • thankgodimatheist
        October 20, 2010, 10:41 pm

        I’m reporting all Max’s comments..

    • pineywoodslim
      October 20, 2010, 9:54 pm

      It is an offensive fact.

      • Richard Witty
        October 21, 2010, 3:50 am

        Netanyahu is a politician, staking out a line, and then beholden to a right-wing coalition.

        The root of the issue is Israeli public opinion and voting.

        If you remember, one of my large criticisms of the Hamas resumption of rocket fire (rather than resumption of voluntary cease-fire, which they did later), was that they timed the action (or negligently ignored the timing in some indiscipline), and knowingly swung the Israeli electorate probably 5 seats to the right, the difference between a Kadima led government and a Likud led government.

        Israeli electorate did the voting, so they are responsible. Hamas is responsible only for the nudge.

        But, the dissenting community is responsible for not making the better argument for peace and equal rights, the liberal patriots, and the radical ex-patriots, including those that post here.

        Calling Obama a poodle, is what I consider offensive, racist in ways.

        Careless, inneffective, useless.

        We are all willing idiots in too many ways, including myself relative to defending an Israel represented by the right-wing that offends me, and Phil relative to defending a dissenting movement that does provide cover Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran that hopefully offends him.

    • Kathleen
      October 21, 2010, 8:44 am

      Phillip is just confirming what Bibi has all ready said “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. ”

      Hey Phillip this Guardian article links to Mondoweiss
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      “A recently released tape revealing Binyamin Netanyahu’s contempt for both the Palestinian and US administrations has caused far less of a diplomatic storm than his opponents hoped it might. For all that Netanyahu’s innate arrogance and self-aggrandisement was laid bare by the contents of the nine-year-old recording, the collective shrugging of shoulders implies that few expected anything else from a man who has been boasting of his own political prowess throughout his tumultuous career.

      Secretly taped during a 2001 meeting with terror victims in the settlement of Ofra, Netanyahu’s words display a hostility and venom towards Israel’s peace partners entirely consistent with his approach to negotiations with the Palestinians over the years. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get their way”, he said, referring to his plans for a “broad attack on the Palestinian Authority … [one which would] bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing”.

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  3. Citizen
    October 20, 2010, 8:45 pm

    All hail Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. He’s the real deal. We need more like him in the good old USA because he knows the score and we all share the same values. You tell ’em, Maxie.

    • kalithea
      October 20, 2010, 8:59 pm

      Yes, the Rabbi is our friend, he can do more to wake Americans up to Israel’s game with one sentence, than we will do with pages and pages of incredibly rational thought and appeals to humanity.

    • Bumblebye
      October 20, 2010, 9:06 pm

      Don’t forget R Shapira and his Torat HaMelech – When can Jews kill non-Jews? Whenever they want.

      • annie
        October 20, 2010, 9:38 pm

        did anyone notice rozen’s part two?

        The Obama administration may be holding its breath to avoid the appearance of all-out collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process at least through the midterms after which it feels it may have more opportunity to regroup. But as McClatchy’s Sheera Frenkel reports from Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is eagerly anticipating the very same midterms as reason to hope a Republican Congressional takeover could further restrict the Obama administration’s room for maneuver:

        An official in Netanyahu’s office confirmed that Israel’s position is to continue seeking compromises through the U.S. midterm elections. He added, however, that Netanyahu’s administration is “eagerly awaiting” the results of the election.

        “There is a feeling that (President Barack) Obama could increase pressure on us after the election, when he doesn’t have to worry about the pro-Israel lobby affecting election outcomes,” he said.

        An article in a leading Israeli daily newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, however, quoted “aides close to Netanyahu” saying that if Democrats fared poorly in the midterm elections, Netanyahu would be less likely to give into White House demands.

        doncha love it how they can speak more clearly in tel aviv than here (the press that is). try writing a story how the pro-Israel lobby affects election outcomes and watch the roof explode. and what did someone say about poodles being mean. oh never mind. bibi reminds me more of a bulldog.

      • annie
        October 20, 2010, 9:41 pm

        sorry, formatting screwup. the last paragraph is mine. the stuff in the middle was rozen’s blockquote of mcclatchy’s sheera frenkel report.

      • Sumud
        October 20, 2010, 9:59 pm

        this is a test:

        hmmmm annie i wonder if it’s possible to:

        put a blockquote in a blockquote

        it works in the html sandbox I sometimes use.

      • Sumud
        October 20, 2010, 10:01 pm

        Yes it does – it would be better if the second blockquote used a white background though.

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 20, 2010, 11:06 pm

        The Imam’s in Gaza have more hate speech than any Rabbi in other parts of Israel

      • Bumblebye
        October 20, 2010, 11:24 pm

        Gosh, haven’t you cited a lot of them in your comment! And just think of the influence they’ve been having. Yours have more than a 1000years habit of keeping such things hidden, but we are seeing their extensive influence in the behavior of the IDF, sitting in the government, even being whatever it is Israel calls its chief Rabbis. Rabid extremism permeating the society, religious as well as political. Take a couple of those zionist “Z”s, fling one across the other and what does the result look like?

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 20, 2010, 11:53 pm

        I don’t follow that comment at all.

        Clearly most of the commenters on this website are atheist. That being the case I find it strange that Judaism is the only target.

      • Chaos4700
        October 21, 2010, 12:09 am

        The IDF killed more than three hundred Palestinian children in less than a month. Who’s got more hatred?

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 21, 2010, 12:17 am

        I’ll choose my response carefully so that it doesn’t get censored by the thought police of this hate-site.

        I’d like you to stay on topic and not try to derail or troll the debate.

        My question was, why do the atheist commenters only pick on Jewish spiritual leaders?

      • Shingo
        October 21, 2010, 12:27 am

        What draws you to this site MN if it’s a hate-site? Do you consider yourself an extremist, or are you trying to become one?

        “My question was, why do the atheist commenters only pick on Jewish spiritual leaders?”

        For the same reason you only consider Jewish life to be important and worth protecting.

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 21, 2010, 12:49 am

        Could you elaborate please? I don’t understand the underlying reason

      • kalithea
        October 21, 2010, 12:55 am

        It seems that Rabbi Ovadia Yosef isn’t the only racist Rabbi in Israel:

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      • CTuttle
        October 21, 2010, 1:05 am

        Damn, MN…! You certainly paint with a broad brush, eh…?

        I’m a Bahá’í, and, I find that a pretty offensive and ignorant assumption on your part…!

      • Bumblebye
        October 21, 2010, 1:24 am

        David Kelly was too. Perhaps the first victim of the Iraq War.

      • WeAreAllMadeOfStars
        October 21, 2010, 5:52 am

        The only target is zionism (a 100 years old racist ideology) not Judaism (a 3+ thousands years old culture and a religion) … I find it strange you don’t get that !!

      • MarkF
        October 21, 2010, 7:11 am

        They don’t. They were responding to your post about Muslim leaders.

      • MRW
        October 21, 2010, 8:51 am

        The Imam’s in Gaza have more hate speech than any Rabbi in other parts of Israel

        Spare us this BS.

      • WeAreAllMadeOfStars
        October 21, 2010, 8:52 am

        I was going to reply politely to you but then I read your post again … and stopped at “this hate-site” and felt that there was no room for “the debate”.

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 21, 2010, 8:59 am

        There is nothing polite about bashing Judaisms spiritual leaders.

      • annie
        October 21, 2010, 11:56 am

        yes it is sumud, i’ve done it several times. i just screwed up. probably when copy/pasting my ‘/blockquote’ to use it several times i forgot to eliminate the slash symbol. or something. i’ll have to check out your sandbox.

      • annie
        October 21, 2010, 11:58 am

        zionism is the target nm, not judaism.

  4. kalithea
    October 20, 2010, 8:47 pm

    “’We put our asses on the line,’” (for Bibi) and Bibi made asses of us.

    • Kathleen
      October 20, 2010, 10:25 pm

      Israeli’s and the Israeli lobby in this country to not give a rats ass about U.S. national security, international laws. They do as they please

  5. kalithea
    October 20, 2010, 8:56 pm

    The tantrum: we are NOT going to stop building (and my free speech rights are being violated).

    Then you will appreciate that we will NOT stop fighting for the rights of Palestinians that are being violated by YOUR EXPANSIONIST DREAMS and bogus entitlement.

  6. pabelmont
    October 20, 2010, 9:01 pm

    The most powerful man on earth, Obama is sometimes called, cannot act because he wants things from Congress he will not give up. Congress cannot act because they want to get re-elected . NOTE: all “could” act but will not. “Power” is a sometime thing. ERGO the “most powerful nation on earth” is stymied by a crummy little lobby.

    ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO OPPOSE THE LOBBY is an announcement by Obama that on Jan 1, 2011, he will make an important speech and he expects every Congressperson to stand up and clap. THE LOBBY will not be pleased. But do it. JUST DO IT. Not now. On Jan 1,2011. Be there. Don’t tell anyone what you are going to do. It won’t work unless EVERY CONGRESSPERSON stands up and claps.

    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

    Question: WHY ARE THERE STILL A FEW POLS who do not dance to the bidding of the BANKING LOBBY, but (essentially) NONE who oppose the pro-hard-line-Israel lobby? Why is that lobby so much more controlling than the other (which is no slouch)? Why does it “have to be”? How can it be?

  7. Bumblebye
    October 20, 2010, 9:08 pm

    Uh, Phil, what on earth happened to the next post, “my trip”? It disappeared as soon as I read it!

  8. potsherd
    October 20, 2010, 9:08 pm

    There’s nothing on this site but trolls.

    • maximalistNarrative
      October 20, 2010, 9:11 pm

      I don’t think that word means what you think it does.

      • Chaos4700
        October 20, 2010, 9:12 pm

        I don’t get it. Do you guys really think it’s clever to parrot us?

      • thankgodimatheist
        October 20, 2010, 10:45 pm

        “I don’t get it. Do you guys really think it’s clever to parrot us?”

        Yes Chaos..Mn does! Amazingly enough he does!! I’m speechless! Not only that..I’m actually speculating about the guy’s age. He’s either over 100 or less than 10..I’m not decided yet..

      • Avi
        October 20, 2010, 11:57 pm

        Chaos4700 October 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm

        I don’t get it. Do you guys really think it’s clever to parrot us?

        Chaos, I think you and I can agree that they’re entertaining.

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      • Sumud
        October 21, 2010, 12:57 am

        Oh that’s just anti-semitic Avi ~ Einstein wasn’t an animal he was a very smart jew you jew-hating jew-hater!

      • Avi
        October 21, 2010, 1:16 am

        Sumud October 21, 2010 at 12:57 am

        Oh that’s just anti-semitic Avi ~ Einstein wasn’t an animal he was a very smart jew you jew-hating jew-hater!

        I hold Albert Einstein in high esteem, not only for his contributions to science, but also for his political views and moral character.

    • Chaos4700
      October 20, 2010, 9:12 pm

      Pretty much. At this point roughly half of my posts are blocked by moderation and Witty and yonira pretty much get free reign on the blog.

    • annie
      October 20, 2010, 9:46 pm

      maybe phil meant a diet of all you can eat. i posted part 2 of rozen’s report down thread if anyone wants to chomp down on something other than ziocaine.

    • Kathleen
      October 20, 2010, 10:27 pm

      After the Boston conference. Coming in swarms. Don’t let them run you off, don’t engage. Let them whine all they want. The genie is out of the bottle and more and more Americans are becoming aware of the crimes that Israel has been committing for decades. Not going away

  9. kalithea
    October 20, 2010, 9:13 pm

    Israel tells Obama: We are not going to stop building no matter what and you know what to do with all those incentives and bribes!
    Obama and the rest of us want to know: But-but, please Israel stop playing games and tell us what you ‘really’ think. (Think Oliver with his bowl held out asking: More please, sir.

    Rabbi Ovadia Yosef replies: ‘Goyim have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel’

    Oh…it’s like that huh?

    You see how many billions and time we’ve wasted, not to mention how much Palestinian suffering we’ve allowed to perpetuate for decades for absolutely…nothing!

    America wake up. BDS or…nothing.

    • Antidote
      October 21, 2010, 7:43 pm

      kalithea – I found this reader’s comment to an article on the rabbi’s remarks by MARTIN PERETZ in the New Republic interesting. Maybe the Hebrew speakers could comment on the accuracy of the trl of Yosef’s comment:
      “על פי הרב, בימות המשיח היהודים יזכו לחיי נצח והגויים יאריכו ימים מסיבה תועלתית בלבד. “בישראל לא ישלוט בהם מלאך המוות לעולם ואצל הגויים זה יהיה כמו כל אדם – צריך למות, אבל ייתן להם אריכות ימים. למה זה? תחשוב, חמור שלו אם ימות – יפסיד את הכסף. זה משרת שלו – גם כן יפסיד אותו. לכן נותנים לו אריכות ימים שיעבוד טוב אצל היהודי הזה”.

      Here is my translation:

      According to the rabbi, after the Messiah arrives, Jews will gain immortality and the other nations will live forever for utilitarian purposes only. “The angel of death will have no authority over the Jews. But those who are not Jews will be as any mortal, and will continue to die. But God will give them longevity. Why? Think about it: a donkey is a man’s servant, made to serve man. If he dies, the man loses. Therefore God gives the beast longevity, so that he can continue to live and serve his master…”
      As you can see, Ovadia was speaking of the day after the end of the world, not in any way reflecting what happens on earth, in this life, before the messiah arrives.
      The gentiles are offended? Who, Christians whose end of time signifies the total extermination of the Jews?
      Muslims? Whose end of time describes:
      “The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Judgment Day will not come unless Muslims fight the Jews. Muslims will defeat and kill Jews. The Jew will hide behind the stone and the tree, and the stone or tree will say: ‘Oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him! Only the Gharqad tree will not say because it is the tree of Jews.”

      If anyone is afraid of the Jewish end of time, here is some consolation, from Maimonides, an authority greater than Obadia Yosef’s:
      Jews are obligated to believe with a full heart in the coming of the Messiah, though he may tarry…

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  10. Colin Murray
    October 20, 2010, 9:52 pm

    “’We put our asses on the line,’” the sense of dismay among the U.S. Middle East team at Netanyahu’s rejection of the U.S. package was described.

    Who exactly is on the vaunted Middle East team? Do we have certifiable clinically diagnosed morons handling these ‘negotiations’? What did these fools expect? Have they not spent a New York second examining Israel’s ‘negotiation’ history? Is the Middle East Team where all the losers who can’t function in any other job get assigned because accomplishment is not only not needed but not wanted?

    I am thoroughly used to US government officials having their arses handed to them by Israelis and the Israel Lobby, but I am dismayed when they express surprise. I can only hope they are being disingenuous and knew they would would be made fools of, and are merely trying to get the next best thing to victory: sympathy.

  11. Kathleen
    October 20, 2010, 10:23 pm

    ” Israeli settlers have begun building new homes at an extraordinary pace since the government lifted its moratorium on West Bank housing starts — almost 550 in three weeks, more than four times faster than the last two years.

    And many homes are going up in areas that under practically any peace scenario would become part of a Palestinian state, a trend that could doom U.S.-brokered peace talks”

    You can put money on that this news will not make it onto the Jon Stewart show/Daily show or Saturday night live. They take every opportunity to take swipes at the Iranian President. But they will not be whispering about the illegal settlement expansion. As Amy Poehler says “really” Really. they have their paychecks to think about

  12. Kathleen
    October 20, 2010, 10:39 pm

    Write your Reps about this latest illegal Israeli settlement expansion

  13. kalithea
    October 20, 2010, 11:47 pm

    Correction, Israelis can lead us around by the nose because we’re “donkeys” meant to serve them not poodles!

    More pearls of wisdom from Rabbi Ovadia Yosef:

    “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”
    With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

    I love this guy! His words need to go viral. Everyone should open their eyes and see the WALL of ignorance we’re flailing at. And these guys get 3 billion a year to do all kinds of damage.

  14. Avi
    October 21, 2010, 12:12 am

    From the article:

    And you not only rejected it, but put forward a counterproposal [demanding Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state] pandering to the right and a stalling tactic.’”

    This has been the favored tactic of Israel and its agents for decades. Just when the PLO recognized Israel’s right to exist (As if states need such validation), Israel came out with another demand, asking the P.A. to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

    The same goes for Israel’s internet warriors; they first attempt to discredit the messenger, when those efforts fail, they demand concrete evidence, when that evidence is provided, they attempt to discredit the source, when a different source is provided they start playing semantic gymnastics.

    These are not people who are interested in dialog of any kind. They are merely interested in warding off legal and moral critics so as to be able to continue their implementation of a racist ideology. Catering to their games is a waste of time. Every U.S. president since Woodrow Wilson has learned that tough lesson.

    • annie
      October 21, 2010, 10:59 am

      The same goes for Israel’s internet warriors; they first attempt to discredit the messenger, when those efforts fail, they demand concrete evidence, when that evidence is provided, they attempt to discredit the source, when a different source is provided they start playing semantic gymnastics

      it’s a game to them, i’m sick of it. they’re being exposed like the boy who cried wolf.

  15. CTuttle
    October 21, 2010, 12:39 am

    It is always refreshing to see Jimmy Carter in the Middle East…

    Jimmy Carter Says Palestinians Live In A ‘Cage’

    May he live to be a hundred or older…! ;-)

  16. Nevada Ned
    October 21, 2010, 12:50 am

    Wise words from Rashid Khalidi, Columbia Prof., delivering the Edward Said lecture earlier this month.
    But I think the handwriting may be on the wall.  I think that the system of domination and control through the calculated dosed use of violence and overwhelming power that has obtained in the Occupied Territories for over 43 years, a system based entirely on violence that has maintained the dispossession of the Palestinian people for 62 years, cannot be hidden forever.  Maybe it can’t be stopped, but it can’t be concealed, is my point.  The brilliantly conceived discursive artifice, a citadel of lies, that has concealed this system of power and control for so long is actually beginning to crumble.
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  17. maximalistNarrative
    October 21, 2010, 1:17 am

    Following are excerpts from a Gaza Friday sermon, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on July 16, 2010:

    Preacher: Dearly beloved, the Al-Aqsa Mosque is subjected to a vicious campaign of Judaization and defilement, at the hands of the filthiest creatures made by Allah – the Jews.

    “O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean…” — Qur’an 9:28. The word translated “pagans” here is mushrikun, those who commit shirk, or the association of partners with Allah. The Jews are guilty of this according to Qur’an 9:30, which claims (falsely) that they say that Ezra is the Son of God. And according to “As regards the people of the Book (i.e. the Jews and the Christians) who do not accept the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad bin Abdullah (Peace be upon him and his progeny), they are commonly considered najis [unclean], but it is not improbable that they are Pak [pure]. However, it is better to avoid them.”

    […] Today, we see the brothers of apes and pigs destroying homes with their occupants still in them, uprooting trees from their land, and killing women, children, and the elderly. […]

    The Qur’an three times recounts that Allah transformed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs (2:62-65; 5:59-60; 7:166). “When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: ‘Be ye apes, despised and rejected'” (7:166).

    A levy of blood will be paid for the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Our people will never relinquish the Al-Aqsa Mosque or Palestine. We will redeem it with our souls, with our blood, with our sons, with what is most dear to us – regardless of the sacrifices we will have to make – until it is liberated, with the grace of Allah, and until this holy land is purified from the filth of the Jews.


    Brothers in faith, the Al-Aqsa Mosque remains under oppressive occupation. The Jews continue to defile it with their filth. The only way to liberate it is through Jihad for the sake of Allah.


    Jihad today is an individual duty, incumbent upon each and every Muslim man and woman. According to the Islamic legal principle, when an enemy invades a Muslim country, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim man and woman. A son should set out on Jihad even without the permission of his father, a wife should set out even without the permission of her husband, and a slave should set out even without the permission of his master. […]

    All the schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that when a non-Muslim force enters a Muslim land, jihad becomes the individual obligation of every Muslim (fard ‘ayn) rather than a collective obligation of the entire umma, from which one is released if others are taking it up (fard kifaya). Bulghah al-Salik li-Aqrab al-Masalik fi madhhab al-Imam Malik (“The Sufficiency of the Traveller on the Best Path in the School of Imam Malik,”) says this:

    Jihad in the Path of Allah, to raise the word of Allah, is fard kifayah [obligatory on the community] once a year, so that if some perform it, the obligation falls from the rest. It becomes fard `ayn [obligatory on every Muslim individually], like salah and fasting, if the legitimate Muslim Imam declares it so, or if there is an attack by the enemy on an area of people.

    The Hanafi, Maliki, and Shafi’i schools of Sunni jurisprudence further declare that jihad, once it is fard ‘ayn, is no different from prayer and fasting — in other words, to engage in warfare with non-Muslims in that case is a religious devotion that cannot lawfully be evaded. Hashiyah Ibn `Abidin, an authoritative text of the Hanafi school, says that jihad is “fard ‘ayn if the enemy has attacked part of the Islamic homeland. It thus becomes an obligation like salah [prayer] and fasting which cannot be abandoned.”

    • Bumblebye
      October 21, 2010, 1:43 am

      Al-Aqsa tv airs from which country?
      Who was the preacher, and from what country?

    • thankgodimatheist
      October 21, 2010, 1:52 am

      Here’s for you:
      Leading rabbi encourages IDF soldiers to use Palestinian human shields

      “Anything you do to keep the war tough is permissible, and obligatory according to the torah,” Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, headmaster of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, wrote in fliers distributed to his students.
      Shapira was arrested over the summer for encouraging Jews to kill Gentiles in his book “The King’s Torah.” The preface of the book, which was published in November, states that it is forbidden to kill non-Jews – but the book then apparently describes the context in which it is permitted to do so.
      link to

    • alexno
      October 21, 2010, 7:18 am

      No link, I see. I bet you it’s quoted from an Israeli site.

      100% of translations from Arabic cited on Israeli sites, that I’ve checked out, have turned out to be mistranslations – I guess intentional, intended to crank up an idea of anti-semitism.

      And that includes the Hamas charter.

    • Sumud
      October 21, 2010, 7:51 am

      Who did the translation MaxN?

    • Sumud
      October 21, 2010, 7:53 am

      And – assuming for a moment the translation is accurate – what are you trying to prove in posting it here?

      • maximalistNarrative
        October 21, 2010, 8:23 am

        What a flurry of requests for translations and clarifications.

        We see these when it’s an Imam. When it’s a Rabbi though, you smell blood and go for the kill.

        Look in the mirror.

      • Bumblebye
        October 21, 2010, 8:53 am

        Extremist Saudi idiots are irrelevant.
        What about influential extremist Palestinian preachers?

      • Sumud
        October 21, 2010, 8:59 am

        This is a disingenuous. The words of the demented rabbis advocating the killing of non-jews, and stating non-jews are to exist as slaves to jews, are published by reliable sources.

        You have posted a translated sermon without any sort of citation, creating a credibility gap.

        I’ll restate my question:

        Assuming for a moment the translation is accurate – what are you trying to prove in posting it here?

    • annie
      October 21, 2010, 11:43 am

      it is memri who said it. but i cannot view the video and they have a reputation for fabricating and contorting dialogue.

      • annie
        October 21, 2010, 11:46 am

        one more thing, i got a drop down that says “ says” “TypeError: _cuPlayer is null

        so even memri has pulled it but i suppose mn knows that or he would have provided a link. i’m reporting your comment nm. you’ve crossed my line.

  18. Kathleen
    October 21, 2010, 8:48 am

    BBC World Service whispered about the escalation of the building of illegal Israel homes in Palestinian occupied territory. Nothing on NPR.

    Although this morning NPR’s Morning Edition did a piece on Rachel Corrie’s parent fight for justice. Did not mention of course that the tape running from inside the bulldozer that ran over Rachel has not been accessible
    link to

  19. lysias
    October 21, 2010, 11:22 am

    All they have to do is not veto the Security Council resolution calling for settlement evacuation that the Palestinian Authority is planning to submit next month. Palestinians plan UN resolution calling for settlement evacuation. Palestinians to seek UN West Bank resolution.

    Next month, presumably so it can be after the U.S. elections.

    • annie
      October 21, 2010, 11:53 am

      lysias, sorry no link but i read somewhere yesterday a spokesperson for the PA denied this haaretz report.

  20. Richard Witty
    October 21, 2010, 1:08 pm

    I’ll try this post again.

    The offensive element of the headline, is relative to Obama.

    It is offensive to him, the language used, the presumption that you could do better, or anyone if not you.

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