A tale of two ghettos

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The images above are raising some hackles, especially the comparison between the Warsaw ghetto and Gaza today. They are from the current issue of Adbusters magazine, which had 3,500 copies taken off the racks of Shoppers Drug Mart, Canada’s largest drugstore chain, after the CEO of the Canadian Jewish Congress, Bernie M. Farber, called them anti-Semitic in the National Post. From Farber’s article Anti-Semitism on your magazine rack–courtesy of Adbusters:

In the current edition, Adbusters offers its readers a one page “photo essay” — Truthbombs on Israeli TV — that makes comparisons between the situation that Palestinians are experiencing in Gaza and what the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto experienced under the Nazis. There are pictures of people fighting fires in Gaza … and people fighting fires in the Warsaw Ghetto. There are pictures of people injured in the Warsaw Ghetto … and of people injured in Gaza. There are pictures of people smuggling food into the Warsaw Ghetto … and of people smuggling goods into Gaza. It’s truly a tour de force of investigative journalism.

The argument is obscene, and continues the disgusting tradition of some supporters of the Palestinian cause to turn Jews into Nazis and Palestinians into Jews. In so doing, these propagandists not only demonize Israelis (i. e., Jews), but minimize the murderous extent and intent of Naziism’s genocidal project. In other words, such vile analogies become a form of Holocaust minimilization.

Thankfully, Kalle Lasn, the editor of Adbusters, has had a chance to respond. It’s worth reading his piece, A tale of two ghettoes, at length:

Here is the story from the Adbusters viewpoint.

In October 1939, the German Wehrmacht reached the city of Warsaw, and over the following months, the Jewish population was forced into a small section of the city called “the Jewish quarter.” The situation inside the ghetto was unbearable: Nazis controlled the movement of goods, basic utilities and even food. Each person was allotted a starvation diet of 250 calories per day.

Acts of rebellion were brutally suppressed. When two German soldiers were killed in a local restaurant, 106 men in the ghetto were shot in reprisal. Arrests and random executions were common. In April 1940, the ghetto was walled off on all sides.

Services such as hospitals and schools were derelict, relying on an ever-decreasing stream of supplies allotted by the Nazis. For a while, the supplies were supplemented by goods smuggled in through tunnels, but such services were eventually forced to close.

A resistance movement was organized during the Soviet advance, but it was brutally defeated and the Warsaw ghetto was razed to the ground.

In September 2005, Israel dismantled its settlements in Gaza and withdrew its troops after 38 years of military occupation. For Israel, this marked an end to their occupation. For Palestinians confined in Gaza, however, the occupation had simply progressed into a new phase: the ghetto. The year 2005 marked the establishment of Gaza as an open air prison.

Israel controls the movement of all goods, including food and basic necessities, in and out of the Gaza strip. A study done by Johns Hopkins University in 2002 found that 17% of children aged 6-59 months suffer from chronic malnutrition, and almost half of women and children are anemic. Thirteen percent of children under five are stunted.

Israel controls all of Gaza’s borders and airspace. The long ocean border, once a viable source of income for Gazans through trade and fishing, is now strictly controlled. Humanitarian missions are turned away with lethal force.

Israel responds to every Palestinian provocation with disproportionate force. The Israeli response to the murder of three civilians by Palestinian rockets in 2008 was the wide-scale destruction of Gaza, the use of white-phosphorus munitions in the area of a UN school and the killing of over 1,000 civilians.

Comparing events today with events in Nazi-occupied Europe must never be done lightly. When events are so serious as to lend themselves to such comparisons, however, there is a moral imperative to speak up.

Though the stated goal of Israel has never been the complete destruction of the Palestinian people, many of the tactics and policies supported by the state of Israel are deeply troubling and worthy of an open public discussion.

Last week, in a move to silence criticism of Israeli policies, the Canadian Jewish Congress labelled Adbusters — and anyone who makes the above historical analogy — anti-Semitic. The CJC has lobbied Shoppers Drug Mart not to carry Adbusters. Three-thousand-five-hundred copies of Adbusters will no longer be sold at Shoppers Drug Mart’s 515 Canadian stores.

The Canadian Jewish Congress is not a representative voice of the full spectrum of Jewish perspectives. Last year, prominent Jewish Canadians including Naomi Klein, Ursula Franklin and Anton Kuerti signed an open letter criticizing the CJC’s use of “fear tactics” and condemning the “false charges of anti-Semitism against … groups and people exercising their democratic right to freedom of speech and association regarding legitimate criticism of the State of Israel.”

If you think that publishing side-by-side images of the Gaza and Warsaw ghettos is a valid expression of free speech, email the Canadian Jewish Congress and tell them to back off. And next time you walk by a Shoppers Drug Mart, go in and ask the manager to put Adbusters back on its shelves. In Canada, we should be free to choose from a diversity of viewpoints and decide for ourselves what is anti-Semitic and what is a legitimate critique of Israel’s occupation of Palestine.

Here is another piece that ran in Adbusters that raises a similar critique:

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37 Responses

  1. Kathleen
    November 4, 2010, 12:26 pm

    Adam you and the Mondoweiss team keep making the crack in the wall of silence wider and wider. Thank you.

    Former President Carter and a few others including Norman Finkelstein have brought up the can we trust Israel with nuclear weapons (pretty outrageous
    the only nation who dropped nuclear weapons on others was U.S.)

    Norman on this issue

    Israel a lunatic state. Watch and listen

  2. Jim Haygood
    November 4, 2010, 12:30 pm

    The Warsaw vs. Gaza comparison photos doubtless produced an emotional reaction by members of the CJC, who of course don’t like confronting the unpleasant fact of Israeli Jews acting in the role of oppressors rather than victims.

    But focusing on this aspect of the Adbusters article deflects attention from the first page of the essay, raising the even more explosive issue of ‘the middle east nuclear double standard.’

    Israel’s free pass on international nuclear inspection is utterly indefensible. So, better to keep the emotional heat focused on disturbing photos, and cry ‘antisemitism.’

  3. Les
    November 4, 2010, 1:02 pm

    Do people really have to be reminded that the IDF uses the example of the Warsaw Ghetto in its war planning scenarios, specifically when it comes to Lebanon?

  4. kalithea
    November 4, 2010, 2:00 pm

    When Zionists and their enablers say “never again!”, they mean “never again” for Jews only. When the rest of the world says “never again!”, they mean “never again” for anyone and everyone oppressed in today’s world whose human and civil rights are being egregiously undermined.

    Canada and the U.S.: Stop legitimizing a crime against humanity!

    And NO, I do not trust that man with power, nuclear weapons or U.S. weapons of any sort and I do not trust his radical settler mob followers with sticks, kalashnikovs and especially with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

  5. Walid
    November 4, 2010, 2:23 pm

    Israel’s free pass was given to it by the US so it’s of no consequence to discuss it since the US rides shotgun for it at the UNSC and IAEA. But the one place the US cannot cover for Israel is with public opinion and the Gaza-Warsaw and Israelis-Nazi analogies were perfect for that.

    And no, I wouldn’t trust that criminal even with a pea-shooter.

  6. Antidote
    November 4, 2010, 2:34 pm

    I’m actually amazed the National Post printed Kalle Lasn’s piece. Most of the readers’ comments were, unsurprisingly, negative. One wrote, opposing the comparison as idiotic: ‘When they start gassing people in Gaza, I’ll change my mind.’

    This is one extremely negative and abysmally immoral side-effect of the Holocaust industry: As long as they don’t gas millions of people, why get upset?

    CJC CEO Farber claims:

    “The argument is obscene, and continues the disgusting tradition of some supporters of the Palestinian cause to turn Jews into Nazis and Palestinians into Jews.”

    The Warsaw Ghetto was undeniably much worse, but also remember international Red Cross organizations/inspectors at the time, and not only the German branch, were fooled into rubber stamping conditions as acceptable. The point of Warsaw/Gaza analogies is not that conditions are the same but rather that there is not enough difference to rubber stamp it as acceptable. Not for the IRC, not for a great many other people.

    The really obscene argument is the Palestinians = Nazis analogy which informs the Israel-firsters, from AIPAC’s Dershowitz — “The occupation will end the same way the occupation of (Nazi/post-war) Germany will end” — to Israeli right-wingers like Moshe Arens in this week’s Haaretz:

    “Six thousand Jews – soldiers and civilians – fell in that war fighting against the Arab onslaught. Where the Arabs were successful the Jewish population was killed or deported, and all Jewish property was destroyed. What happened in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem and in the Etzion bloc in May 1948 when they fell to the Jordanian Legion was a portent of the fate that awaited the entire Jewish community had the Arabs won this war. All this has been effaced in the “Palestinian narrative.”

    Is it suggested that this falsification of history should be taught to schoolchildren – Jews and Arabs – in Israel?

    It is true that the Arab population of Palestine suffered grievously during that war. But it is also beyond doubt that this tragedy was brought on them by the decisions taken by the Arab leadership. It is essential that this part of the history of Israel’s War of Independence, of the “Israeli narrative” if you like, be taught in our schools to Jewish and Arab children alike. And if true peace is ever to reign among Israel and its Arab neighbors, it is important that the Arabs recognize that what they call the Nakba was a self-inflicted tragedy.

    Just as real peace could come to Europe after World War II only after Germans abandoned the “German narrative” and accepted the true history of the war that Germany started, so only abandonment of the “Palestinian narrative” and acceptance of the true sequence of the events of 1947-48 can serve as a basis for reconciliation between Jews and Arabs.”

    link to haaretz.com

    • Shingo
      November 4, 2010, 9:56 pm

      ‘When they start gassing people in Gaza, I’ll change my mind.’

      In the mean time, the use of white phosphorous, which they never used in the Warsaw Ghetto. is perfectly acceptable.

      • Antidote
        November 5, 2010, 8:18 am

        If it’s legitimate self-defense, why call it Shoa? Is everybody just ‘nuts’?

        “The February 29, 2008 warning by Matan Vilnai, Israel’s deputy defence minister, that Palestinians risked “bringing an even bigger Shoah” (the Hebrew word for Holocaust) upon themselves if they did not stop firing Qassam rockets into Israel, reveals that Israeli officials are well aware of the magnitude of the suffering they have inflicted on the people of Gaza.”

        link to english.aljazeera.net

      • Bumblebye
        November 5, 2010, 9:25 am

        “A future round of Israeli warfare would entail its forces attacking geographically -separate areas and is intended to be of massive scale and lethality, a senior Israeli military official says”

        link to palestinechronicle.com

        No plans for succesful peace talks. Do they need gas when they’ve got free cluster bombs and white phosphorous?

      • Antidote
        November 6, 2010, 7:35 am

        No, they don’t need gas, just an excuse, or, more precisely: a major terrorist attack or militant uprising. The wide popular support for Cast Lead in Israel would indicate that total war against Gaza might be viewed as only ‘a little bit fascist’ by the majority of Israelis:

        link to youtube.com

        With death wishes against Arabs being articulated from ‘Kill Arabs’-T-shirts to Rabbi Yosef wishing a plague on Palestinias to open peace talks, it is getting increasingly difficult not to suspect sinister motives behind the blockade and elimination of Hamas from peace talks. The ‘free Gaza’ ships have breached the hasbara blockade: Israeli policies wrt Gaza were not designed to increase Israel’s security in the first place, as they were claimed to be. Nor have they brought down Hamas. So why the continued violation of basic human rights, the host of indignities and humiliations to which the population is being exposed by the Israelis? To provoke an uprising? Adbuster is asking that question: Is Israel a ‘lunatic state’ (Finkelstein), and can it be trusted with NOT turning Gaza into Warsaw? Not to mention nuclear weapons.

        Two links:

        This docu is 3 yrs old: What has changed? Scary

        link to youtube.com

        Germany reacts in July

        “In what is being hailed a historic and rare instance of the German government falling out of step with Zionist Israel, a cross-party resolution by Germany’s federal parliament, the Bundestag, was passed at the beginning of the month. The resolution, which demands an end to the crippling and illegal blockade that has devastated the economy of the Gaza Strip and brought the sector to the brink of humanitarian disaster, is being viewed in the context of the international clamour that arose following Israel’s bloody assault on a humanitarian aid flotilla in May. That the vote was unanimous uncharacteristically for the politically diverse Bundestag speaks volumes about the strength of the international message the Germans sought to convey. Nevertheless, the actual content of the motion has left many divided over its true import and potential effectiveness in the context of achieving a just and lasting resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. […]

        Nevertheless, the new motion has been greeted by some Jewish communities and staunch supporters of Israel with anger, fear and scepticism. Not just because it is felt that it could undermine Germany’s absolute commitment to Israel, but because it reflects the growing disaffection in German public thought towards Israeli policies. It also challenges the traditional German response to its communal feelings of shame and responsibility that has largely held Germany to ransom and rendered it incapable of action even when faced with being complicit to a new genocide. In one German parliamentarian describing the motion as a new “common German foreign and security policy”, it is being seen as an effort by mainstream politicians to close the gap between the official government stance and German public sentiment. Philipp Missfelder, a member of the Christian Democratic forum, commented on the particular significance of the motion “in light of our [German] historic responsibility and our [German] history which in this day and age is characterised not by guilt, but by great responsibility to reach the common objectives of peace.” In endeavouring to heed the overall lessons of their history, Germans are now confident enough to define a new and more appropriate response which acknowledges their moral responsibility, not to Jews or to Israel, but to ensuring that a horror like the Holocaust should never be allowed to happen again – to anyone.

        Nonetheless, there are those who would exploit particular German sensitivity to comparisons and accusations of anti-Semitism for political ends. In the same way that the legitimate Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign is equated malevolently with the Nazi boycott of Jewish shopkeepers, it has been asserted that the Bundestag motion is merely a polite form of anti-Semitism reflecting the rise of anti-Semitic attacks in Germany. […]

        In the wake of revelations that the German passport used by Mossad in the Dubai assassination scandal was genuine, and had been obtained using a concocted story of Nazi persecution, isn’t it time for a radical reassessment of German foreign policy in line with its historic moral obligation? If descendants of German Jews stripped of their citizenship are granted automatic German citizenship, how can Germany not support the legitimate Palestinian claim of the refugees’ right of return? Is it appropriate for Germany to sit idly by as the Arab Israeli MP, Haneen Zoubi, is threatened with being stripped of her citizenship? With the rise to power of ultra-right wing nationalists like Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who has voiced the desire to drown Palestinian prisoners in the Dead Sea, is it that much of a stretch of the imagination to be able to see parallels between Gaza, the largest prison on earth, and the Warsaw ghetto?”

        link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk

  7. sky7i
    November 4, 2010, 2:54 pm

    It would be helpful if the story mentioned addresses (Farber’s, SDM corporate office) where we could write in and complain.

  8. sydnestel
    November 4, 2010, 4:27 pm

    You guys (and Adbusters) must be nuts. No mention of the fact that the main Nazi crime re the Warsaw Ghetto was the deliberate mass annihilation of the entire civilian population (approx 400,000) – either by gassing in concentration camps or by starvation and disease in the ghetto itself.

    Israel is not gassing Palestinians and there is not mass starvation in Gaza.

    The situation in Gaza IS immoral and intolerable. And Palestinians are suffering and some dying because of it. Israel should be condemned for its Gaza policy.

    But exaggerations of this kind show either ignorance or a hate for Israel that is beyond the rational. And they convince no one who has any sense of history. On the contrary they make those that make and support such claims look like dupes or hate mongers.

    By way of comparison, many more Iraqis died as a result of the U.S. blockade and subsequent invasion of Iraq, and I didn’t see the Americans being equated to the Nazis, despite all the justified protests and condemnations.

    • Shmuel
      November 4, 2010, 5:02 pm

      I agree, Syd, that the comparison is nuts (and counterproductive), but I disagree with regard to the motives of most of those (including adbusters) who resort to it. I don’t think it is motivated by ignorance or hatred, but by frustration and a desire to wake up an ignorant and uninterested public to the plight of the Palestinians and to Israeli culpability, with the strongest, most shocking means at its disposal.

    • LanceThruster
      November 4, 2010, 5:59 pm

      So the oppression, subjugation, dehumanization (and make no mistake – the killings)…as long as it’s in slow-motion…it’s not a problem?

    • Donald
      November 4, 2010, 6:05 pm

      “I didn’t see the Americans being equated to the Nazis, despite all the justified protests and condemnations.”

      You’re kidding, right? Equating one’s political opponents to Nazis is so common the term “Godwin’s Law” was invented to describe this phenomenon in online political discussions. As for Iraq, we lefties commonly say that the US was guilty of genocide and/or crimes against humanity in the case of the sanctions, and that the invasion of Iraq was the crime of aggression prosecuted at Nuremberg. Who do you imagine we are supposed to be thinking about when Nuremberg is invoked?

      I agree that the comparing Gaza to Warsaw is wrong for the reasons you mention and I’ve said that here on various occasions, but you must live an incredibly sheltered political life if you haven’t seen the Nazi comparison wielded before (particularly from Israel defenders, btw).

      • Avi
        November 4, 2010, 8:35 pm

        I agree that the comparing Gaza to Warsaw is wrong for the reasons you mention and I’ve said that here on various occasions.


        Those who seek an apples-to-apples comparison forget that collective memory shapes the identities of human beings.

        1. From the perspective of the collective memory of Palestinians, who continue to suffer the injustices of the last 63 year, it doesn’t matter whether Warsaw and Gaza are not or may not be empirically comparable.

        2. Why is it taboo to speak of the Holocaust to such an extent?

        3. Surely, Nazi Germans weren’t gassing anyone in 1938, right? But, the world sat by the sidelines and did nothing.

        4. Why is it that those who reject the Gaza/Warsaw comparison tend to ignore the progression of events that reached a climax in the gas chambers? Did the magazine in question state that Warsaw of 1943 is comparable to Gaza 2010? Do you see what I’m getting at?

        5. Warsaw wasn’t frozen in time. The events in the ghetto went from relative calm to pure annihilation.

        6. So, who am I, or you, or anyone else to tell others which period of time to compare and which not to compare? Who are we to distill the Warsaw ghetto to one month or one year when events were at their worst?

      • Shingo
        November 4, 2010, 9:52 pm

        “I agree that the comparing Gaza to Warsaw is wrong for the reasons you mention and I’ve said that here on various occasions.”

        And yet,, anyone who gives a nasty look to Israel is a Nazi, Ahmadinejad is Hitler, it’s always 1939 and Jews in Israel all face annihilation.

        Should we agree that Charles Manson should be released on parole because John Wayne Gacey killed many more people?

    • potsherd
      November 4, 2010, 6:31 pm

      I think we should compare the Americans to Genghis Khan, who left corpses heaped into mountains in his wake, everywhere his hordes rode.

    • Avi
      November 4, 2010, 8:21 pm

      You guys (and Adbusters) must be nuts. No mention of the fact that the main Nazi crime re the Warsaw Ghetto was the deliberate mass annihilation of the entire civilian population (approx 400,000) – either by gassing in concentration camps or by starvation and disease in the ghetto itself.

      Let’s set the record straight on several points:

      1. Israel’s intent has long been either the expulsion of every Palestinian out of historical Palestine, or if that failed, the slow ethnic cleansing of the population. Since before 1948, that much has been true. And those who claim to be familiar with history, claim to be concerned with historical accuracy, would recognize that.

      2. The expulsion and ethnic cleansing that took place in 1948 which saw more than 700,000 Palestinians removed from Palestine, including the massacres that took place, is never ever ever mentioned in western media, certainly not in this day and age. On the other hand, movie after movie treat the subject of the Holocaust from various angles. Hollywood and the school systems in the west, including the US, Canada, Britain, and France have made the Holocaust, and the events surrounding it, quite familiar to the average citizen.

      3. There is starvation, malnutrition, and disease in Gaza.

      So, one magazine dared make the comparison and the screeches came raining down from left and right.

      Besides, the Warsaw ghetto is history, Gaza is in the present. What are YOU doing to end the misery inflicted onto the Palestinians by the state of Israel?

      • Shingo
        November 4, 2010, 9:53 pm

        “Besides, the Warsaw ghetto is history, Gaza is in the present. What are YOU doing to end the misery inflicted onto the Palestinians by the state of Israel?”

        Not only that, but the Warsaw ghetto situation didn’t last 60 years.

    • Sumud
      November 4, 2010, 9:00 pm

      I don’t see it as an exaggeration or nuts.

      The comparison is made between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza, not the jewish aspect of the holocaust and Gaza, and not even the ultimate fate of those who were confined to the Warsaw Ghetto, and Gaza. You are able to separate those different aspects of WW2 aren’t you?

      The Gaza Ghetto is a “live” situation. Just like the Warsaw Ghetto was in 1941 and 1942, before the uprising and transportation of ghetto inhabitants to the camps. It is to this period of the Warsaw Ghetto that the comparison is made. The Adbusters article doesn’t claim there is mass starvation in Gaza, nor does it claim the IDF are gassing Palestinians in Gaza. So claiming the absence of those factors is why the Adbusters piece is wrong – despite them never making those claims – is a peculiar sort of argument.

      Adbusters claims that the situation of confinement, border/sea- and airspace control, rationed calorie intake (to the point of malnourishing children), and disproportionate response to militant resistance is similar, and I agree. These structural elements are almost identical, the difference is in degree. Obviously the situation in the Warsaw Ghetto was much worse than in the Gaza Ghetto, even with the wanton killing of ~3000 Palestinians in Gaza in the years since 2005.

      If you wonder why the comparison is made to Israel and nazis more often than the US and nazis, I suggest it has to do with the continuous exploitation of the holocaust by zionists for political ends.

      Bill Clinton is doing OK for now – Bush II was so bad he tends to make everybody else look good – but I don’t think history will look too kindly upon him, or post-80s America for that matter. Personally I think Clinton should be behind bars for what he did to Iraq.

      Yonatan Shapira after spraypainting “Free Gaza” and “Liberate all the Ghettos” on the wall of the Warsaw Ghetto in June:

      “My action is not controversial,” Shapira told Army Radio on Monday. “I am not saying there is a comparison with the monstrosity of Nazi death camps, but I am saying we must talk about the silence in Israel and the world when people are confined in a ghetto-like place.”

      For those that think the comparison is inappropriate, do you think it’s accurate to describe Gaza as a ghetto?

    • Richard Parker
      November 4, 2010, 9:18 pm

      I agree. SYDNESTEL, that Israeli war crimes in Palestine pale beside the war crimes that the US is wreaking in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now, probably, in Yemen and Somalia.
      At least, Israel has never targetted one of its own citizens (Arab or Jew) for murder, by presidential diktat, without any court hearing.
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      At least, Israel has never deliberately provoked a massive inter-Moslem civil war, as in Iraq, although it helped set up Sunni Hamas against the secular PLO.
      The Israelis shot down 9 people on the Mavi Marmara; the US shot down 290 innocent passengers on Iran Air flight 655

      You’ve got to give it to the Israelis; Theyre not as bad as their big brothers

  9. LanceThruster
    November 4, 2010, 4:29 pm

    I simply love this photo and the outrage it’s generated because we can hear several times a week how Hamas or Ahmadinejad is ready to [do something sinister to] Israeli children in front of their parents and that is somehow not racist…but to calmly and rationally ask, “Can we trust this man with nuclear weapons?”…a wholly valid and reasonable question, and the tired and perfunctory charges of anti-Semitism spring forth.

  10. Les
    November 4, 2010, 5:49 pm

    I notice that there is no attempt by critics to be specific about what makes this picture with its caption anti-Semitic. It is neither racially nor religiously bigoted. What’s left?

    • Avi
      November 4, 2010, 8:24 pm

      It’s anti-Semitic to touch the Holocaust, write about it, criticize it, question it, use it for comparisons or to speak of it. Only Jews, ZIONIST Jews, you know, REAL Jews like the wondering one, are allowed to utter the word “Holocaust”.

      Everyone else is an anti-Semite. That’s the rationale.

  11. Les
    November 4, 2010, 5:59 pm

    The story but not the great photograph made Common Dreams.

    link to commondreams.org

  12. traintosiberia
    November 4, 2010, 6:17 pm

    Why do Gazan have to wait for the gas before being recogized as held captive by the Israelis?
    1-Jews were mutterring and agitating and moving to Palestine for 60 years before Hitler unleashed “final solution” and for 50 years before Nazi came to power, doing same things.

    2-Now if expatriate Iranians forced any New York vendors or any officials from removing the juxtaposed pictures of Ahemdnezad and Hitler he or she could be forced to apologize and suffer indignation for not living up to the ideas of the sanctity of the freedom of expression.
    3-Was not it (Naqaba) not only acknowledged by Ben Morris but was also approved by him as late as 2004?

  13. Citizen
    November 4, 2010, 7:57 pm

    It seems Jewish Americans did not buy the attempts by some Republicans to paint their Democrat opponents as less “pro-Israel”–except, it appears in a key orthodox enclave district in Illinois: link to jstreet.org

    I got a phone call at 8:25 PM tonight from a J-Street guy dialing me up from area code 202–he said the new J-Street Poll and a related phone call message will be on J-Street’s web site tomorrow.

  14. yourstruly
    November 4, 2010, 8:01 pm

    Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto

    same place

    different time

    while the world stood by



  15. Bart
    November 4, 2010, 9:14 pm

    Israel has had “the bomb” for how many years? And they have used it how many times during those years?

    So lets see. Most of you dont trust Israel with a bomb they never used. By that logic I suppose you would trust them if they HAD used it?

    Or maybe folks like you guys just dont trust Israel. Period. No matter what they do or dont do. Which is probably why Isarel got the bomb in the first place.

    OK, well, I got it now, thanks so much for clearing that up.

    • Taxi
      November 4, 2010, 9:45 pm

      Yeah right Bart,

      You try living next door to a greedy-for-land neighbor with a nuke in their basement – see just how good and peaceful it makes YOU feel.

      You think you’re really smart, don’t you?

    • Avi
      November 4, 2010, 10:50 pm

      In 1973 and in 1991 Israel came close to using nuclear weapons. The United States restrained Israel in 1973 by shipping Israel an emergency supply of advanced military hardware, and in 1991 provided Israel with several AWACS in addition to a promise to deliver a generous F16 package for conciliation. That F16 package, consisting of several dozen aircraft, was delivered shortly thereafter.

      For more on the 1973 war, (a.k.a. Yom Kipor, pronounced: Kipoor, not Kipper) See Seymour Hersh’s The Samson Option.

      Still, Israel doesn’t only posses nuclear weapons, it has also developed biological and chemical weapons.

    • pulaski
      November 5, 2010, 9:31 am

      A guy carrying a sawed-off shotgun walks into the hotel and asks everyone to hand over their money. He walks out with the cash and never uses the shotgun. Trustworthy.

    • potsherd
      November 5, 2010, 9:50 am

      OK, Bart, using your logic, Israel shouldn’t be getting a hair up its ass about Iran getting a bomb. Because everyone knows they won’t use it unless Israel bombs t hem first.


      • Antidote
        November 6, 2010, 9:28 pm

        Who will be first to drop the bomb in the ME?

  16. Linda J
    November 5, 2010, 12:37 am

    Great bragging rights, Israel! “Yeah, Gaza is bad, but it’s not as bad as the Warsaw Ghetto! [yet?]”

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