God isn’t finished with me yet

The headline is intended to inoculate me against the immaturity charge. This is a picture of the head of the Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, at Angry Arab. It’s getting passed around.

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  1. Avi says:

    This is the confirmation I was always after, now I know where Ovadiya gets his diatribes.

    “Why I just pulled it outta my……”

  2. optimax says:

    He is just practicing prana yoga.

  3. eee says:

    Isn’t Ovadia Yosef the kind of person you want to build bridges to? After all he represents a large percentage of Jews originating in Arab countries.

    What exactly is your movement about?

    • Bumblebye says:

      The only kind of bridge to be built for that man should be the one he jumps off! He is supremely arrogant and thoroughly racist.

    • Avi says:

      eee November 26, 2010 at 12:17 pm

      Isn’t Ovadia Yosef the kind of person you want to build bridges to? After all he represents a large percentage of Jews originating in Arab countries.

      What exactly is your movement about?

      “Your movement”?

      Let’s see, it’s part Capitalistic, part Marxist, part Socialist, a dash of Fascism was thrown in for good measure, a layer of Zionism and a crust of humanism. What’s YOUR movement about?

      Anyway, it’s nice to know that you haven’t the slightest idea who Ovadiya is. If you live in Israel, you live underground.

      Ovadya once said, “The only good Arab is a dead Arab”.

      Yeah, go build a bridge with that guy.

      Incidentally, I have a bridge to sell you.

      • eee says:

        Ovadya is certainly not my cup of tea, but what kind of strategy are you supporting? Do you also support not talking to any one in the Arab world that has said anything racist or antisemitic? Ovadya for all his faults has no militia and plays only the democratic game (even though he is certainly not a liberal democrat by any means).

        • Avi says:

          eee November 26, 2010 at 1:19 pm

          Ovadya is certainly not my cup of tea, but what kind of strategy are you supporting? Do you also support not talking to any one in the Arab world that has said anything racist or antisemitic? Ovadya for all his faults has no militia and plays only the democratic game (even though he is certainly not a liberal democrat by any means).

          I take back what I said about you not living in Israel. You live in an alternate universe. But, then again living in Israel is like living in an alternate universe, detached from this reality. Oh well.

          For all his faults, Ovadya, is only the spiritual leader of Shas, a political party and movement that has been in many an Israeli government coalition and repeatedly pushed for racist policies while working to undermine the creation of a Palestinain state. So, you can take your contradictory propaganda, with all its inconsistencies and double standards and squeeze it back into Ovadia’s nose.

          “For all his faults….”

          That’s the problem with Zionists, you simply don’t understand how hypocritical you are.

        • eee says:

          Ok, I guess advocating talking to Hamas but not to Shas, like you do, is not hypocritical. The only double standards I see is in your positions. For all his faults, Ovadya is 100 times better than the Hamas leaders.

        • Avi says:

          eee November 26, 2010 at 2:35 pm

          Ok, I guess advocating talking to Hamas but not to Shas, like you do, is not hypocritical. The only double standards I see is in your positions. For all his faults, Ovadya is 100 times better than the Hamas leaders.

          Sure. Ovadia and his Shas party seek to end the 43 year Palestinain occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, home to Jewish refugees who were originally expelled from Jaffa and Ashdod in 1948.

          But, perhaps that’s not the parallel that you see. Your parallel is most likely based on Israeli propaganda that claims Hamas seeks to destroy Israel (With its bottle rockets, no less. Yeah, yeah, I know, THE charter. What about the 20 year old invalid Charter?) In which case, you’re essentially saying that Shas seeks the destruction of the Palestinian people.

          Yeah, I can see the similarities.

          Do yourself a favor and find some consistency to which to stick. I know it’s difficult with all of Hasbara’s contradictions, but I don’t think I’m asking of you the impossible. Well, perhaps I am. That’s just so unfair.

          Incidentally, Here’s an interview Charlie Rose conducted with Khaled Mish’al earlier this year..

          See if you can wrap your head around the radical hate-speech he spews, you know, stuff like the right of return that’s enshrined in international law.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          The Hamas leaders live in the 21st century, which puts them ahead of Ovadia, who’s stuck somewhere in the 12th.

          But you don’t really think the leaders of Hamas are actual people, do you? No, they’re demons with horns and tails – right out of the delusions of Ovadia.

        • Sumud says:

          For all his faults, Ovadya is 100 times better than the Hamas leaders.

          Which Hamas leaders eee?

          Maybe the Hamas-as-scarey-bogeymen line goes down well in the States but in other parts of the world they are recognised as a legitimate political force in Palestine.

        • eljay says:

          >> Ok, I guess advocating talking to Hamas but not to Shas, like you do, is not hypocritical.

          Hamas was the party democratically elected by Palestinians to lead/govern Palestinians. Since Shas was not democratically elected to lead/govern Israelis, there is no hypocrisy here, and you are being your usual foolish self.

        • eee says:

          Sure, Hamas are a bunch of angels seeking peace:
          link to memritv.org

          Shas has never thrown their own compatriots off buildings, nor have they sent suicide bombers against the Palestinian population. But to you Shas is worse. Ok, have it your way.

        • jonah says:

          eee –

          You need to know that the people you’re arguing here are anything but interested in acknowledging the hateful proto-Nazi rhetorical rants made on regular basis by the Islamists of Hamas. They prefer self-deception, telling themselves ad libitum that the Charter of Hamas is now 20 years old and expired; that Hamas has evolved and wants only normal things, as the interviews of that lamb Meshal want us to believe; that Palestinians are the victims of the evil “Zionist entity” which need to be radically reformed, or better removed.

          The truth is that these good people prefer to watch with a magnifying glass every single hair in Rabbi Ovadia’ nose rather than facing unpleasant facts about their pets, they prefer to pass over in silence the exasperated and systematically cultivated anti-Jewish racism (anti-Semitism) by the Arabs and Palestinians, from official PA- studies about the non-Jewishness of the Western wall up to the radically anti-Semitic speeches spewed by Hamas leader Zahar.

          Therefore, there is actually nobody to argue here because the beliefs and the delusions of these people are “unshakable” – probably in a similar way Zahar’s beliefs are.

        • eljay says:

          >> Sure, Hamas are a bunch of angels seeking peace … But to you Shas is worse.

          I did’t say Shas is worse, you simpleton. I said that, for the valid reason of democratic representation, there’s no hypocrisy in advocating talks with Hamas and not with Shas.

          It’s clear that you don’t like facts or justice, and it’s also clear that you have difficulties grasping reason and logic.

          And it’s clear that I forgot: DON’T FEED THE TROLL!!

        • Potsherd2 says:

          One way to tell when a poster’s comments are totally worthless is the use of the term “spew”.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          hrrmm – well, actually, Shas was elected to govern Israelis, although the party didn’t win the election it won a lot of seats. And you can certainly talk to Shas: with sufficient bribes, they can be swayed.

          The problem with Shas is that it is not, itself, democratic. Its leader is an ignorant fanatic whose thinking is medieval, and he has absolute control over the actions of his minions in the Knesset.

          Here link to haaretz.com is what happens to an MK from Shas who dares make reasonable proposals.

        • jonah says:

          “spew”

          - except if it is one of the yours who uses it.

          But, sincerely, is there any better word for this?

          link to memritv.org

        • annie says:

          memri? and why should anyone bother opening a memri link? they are liars and fabricators.

        • jonah says:

          funny annie – have ever tried to confute MEMRI’s allegedly false and fabricated translation of Zahar’s last rant … with your true translation?

          oh … of course … you don’t need to do it.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          It’s irrelevant, Jonah. Hamas is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand. This is merely the pitiful tactic always raised by Zionists when their own evils become a little bit too attested. Look! Over there! It’s Hamas! It’s Iran!

          Hitler was no less evil just because Stalin was evil.

          Pol Pot was no less evil just because Idi Amin was evil.

          And no evil on the part of anyone else will erase a jot or a tittle of the monstrousness of the cultist Ovadia.

        • jonah says:

          Of course it is relevant, potsherd. It is even very relevant, in spite of your and your fellows’ persistent biased denial. It is relevant insofar as the Palestinians are truly interested in a peace solution, and it is relevant insofar as they want a state side by side with a Jewish state named Israel.

          But, indeed, it is entirely irrilevant if the goal is the destruction of the Jewish state and the expulsions of all the Jews, as bluntly declared by Hamas leader Zahar in his terrible anti-Semitic rant. It is irrilevant if you expect only Israel to make concessions towards the Palestinians and Arab regimes, however without any serious guarantee from the other side. It is irrilevant, finally, if your motives are driven by hatred toward the other side rather than by the desire to achieve peace.

          If you were truly concerned about the latter, you would have the guts to condemn these vile hate speeches, as I condemn in no uncertain terms the racist utterances of a Rabbi Ovadia.

          But you say that is irrelevant ….

        • Potsherd2 says:

          Relevant, Jonah, is a relative term. In fact, that’s what it means. It means you have to ask – relevant to what.

          Now the issue here is Ovadia Yosef. His ignorant, medieval, racist mindset. The fact that Israel is a nation where such a person leads a major political party, where such a person exercises a veto on the policies of the state and appoints ministers who carry out racist programs reflecting his racist mindset.

          Hamas is not relevant to the issue of Ovadia Yosef. Hamas is not relevant to the fundamental corruption of the Israeli political system that allows such a man to hold such power. Hamas is a subject that has no business here, but we see it reflexively raised by Zionists who know that the position of Ovadia Yosef in Israeli politics is indefensible, so all they can say in response is, “Well, Hamas is 100 time worse.”

          Irrelevant.

        • annie- I am no arch defender of memri, but your blanket dismissal does not suffice either. Please name a recording or two of theirs that you wish to cite for being mistranslated or fabricated. Otherwise these terms should not be thrown around.

        • jonah says:

          The relativity of the term “relevant” means here simply that you are focussed on Ovadia – and that, on the other hand, you are deaf to the extremist, virulent and racist hatred coming from the other side, which doesn’t seem to bother you very much.
          Your indifference, however, is for me quite enlighteling. This too is part of the relativity of things.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          Jonah – go write an article about Hamas, and then discussion of Hamas will be relevant.

          But my tax dollars aren’t going to support Hamas. My congressman isn’t taking money from the Hamas Political Action Committee in Washington. My government isn’t cheering on Hamas every time it lights off a firecracker and scares an Israeli chicken. It’s not pledging allegiance to Hamas and declaring that the security interests of Hamas and the US are identical.

          Hamas isn’t particularly relevant to me, and overall, it’s not particularly capable of doing much harm, compared to Israel and the US.

        • annie says:

          wj Mainstream media caught in the MEMRI mouse trap

          fabricated script here.

          it was pulled from all the networks.

        • annie says:

          Jonah – go write an article about Hamas

          or they could go write their own blog and it could be hamas 24/7.

          why should we discuss radical fanatical jewish fundies when islam is out there imposing sharia law!

        • Antidote says:

          but Hamas leaders don’t pick their noses in public

        • jonah says:

          Again you show your bias and “fury” on Israel. Or maybe you simply ignore who all benefit from your tax payer money …..

          link to mideastweb.org

          Besides, we don’t have to be a genius to realize that your tax payer money indirectly finances also Hamas. But, of course … it’s “irrelevant”.

          link to israelnationalnews.com

        • jonah says:

          annie, can you please provide us with Whittaker’s true translation of Zahar’s last speech that we can see in memri?
          I assure you I’ll change my mind if your authentic translation give me true insight in Hamas’ views of peace.

        • Shingo says:

          That effort was pathetic even by your desperate standards Jonah,

          The mideastweb link tells us nothing, other than confirm that Israel receives at least 3 billion per annum (it’s actually a lot more) and that Egypt is bribed with another 2 billion to be nice to Israel, hence making Israel a cost fo at least 5 billion to the US.

          Your second is truly pathetic. It complains that the money set aside to rebuild Gaza is being used to….rebuild Gaza, and then makes some baseless claim that the houses that are being built will be used to store Hamas weapons.

          I loved the irony of this statekent in partuilar:

          “He suggested that the Obama administration could be accused of having violated American law if any of the aid winds up in Hamas’s hands.”

          It seems to have slipped Bedein’s mind that every US president since LBJ has been vilating American law by providing wepoans that are used to maintain the occupation.

        • jonah says:

          You forgot to mention from the first article that the US military presence in Saudi Arabia, financed by the U.S. tax payer, costs the US over $50 billion a year. Of course only … peanuts, isn’t it Shingo?

          And, of course, the U.S. money diverted to Hamas is only for “kosher” mosques … like this one hundred places of worship:

          link to jpost.com

          Stay well in your self-chosen cage of denial and self-deception.

  4. piotr says:

    Quick gleenings from the web:

    The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

    “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

    According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

    “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

    This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

    “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

    That is why gentiles were created,” he added.

    Yosef’s Saturday night sermons have seen many controversial statements from the 90-year-old rabbi. In August, Yosef caused a diplomatic uproar when he wished a plague upon the Palestinian people and their leaders, a curse he retracted a few weeks later, when he blessed them along with all of Israel’s other peace-seeking neighbors.

    And Yosef is moderate. Other rabbis claim that killing Goyim children is OK if they may grow to be threats, another offers curses upon soldiers who would show mercy to the “enemies”, other order women out from their sights (why not order them to wear burqas and let sit in front? the same principle, after all) etc. And yeah, Yosef retracted his curse so he is “100 times better”. Unlike Rev. Rontski, whose sermon was followed only too well during Cast Lead.

    Shas, it must be admitted, it is most moderate among religious nut parties because of their craving for patronage. Bribe them well enough — they may even support peace process. They may SEEM corrupt, but instead they simply follow a higher law — rather then the lower law of the State.

  5. braciole says:

    Phil – are bogeys (boogers in the American idiom, I believe) kosher?

    • Mooser says:

      You’re asking the wrong guy. Phil doesn’t know from kosher. The answer is: it depends on what you’ve been breathing. Breath Kosher, pick Kosher, eat Kosher! That’s what they told us at North Shore Synagogue.

  6. MHughes976 says:

    I believe that R.Ovadia was talking about messianic times. Zech.8 does seem to tell us that in those times the other peoples will need an introduction to the Messiah and will seek the good offices of Jews to achieve this. The implication seems to be that the Jews will respond graciously to these requests. It’s not so much a relationship between human master and human servant as between old established servant of God and a come-lately who wants acceptance. If this situation arises in the near future I will be hoping for a bit of help from some of those on Mondoweiss.
    Mind you, there is another view. Matthew’s parable of the vineyard, where the come-latelys get abruptly equalised with the long-servers, takes up Zech’s thought and makes something different of it.

    • Shmuel says:

      MHughes,

      I think you are right about Yossef’s inspiration, but I also think there’s a little more to it than eschatology. In any event, if you ever need a good word …

    • Mooser says:

      Me, I’m counting on a letter I got from F. Murray Abraham. He really lays it on thick, and threw in (at my behest) a couple of real Yiddsh words, too.